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- jessebs, on 10/12/2007, -32/+1293I believe the same is true w/ digg
- nsummy, on 10/12/2007, -33/+1077Unfortunately it is 10x more true with Digg than with Slashdot. Don't get me wrong, I frequent Digg a lot more than slashdot, but if I want intelligent discussion on a posted subject, I always turn to slashdot. It might have something to do with their comment ranking system, but it seems like there are always good points made regarding subjects that are always interesting. Sure the site doesn't update as much, but then again I don't have to sift through a bunch of blogspam about iphone and mac predictions. The "problem" with digg is the same people who get the stories to the front page are the same ones commenting on it. Many times you will get stories that are inaccurate and false and the diggers will make it worse by adding their 2 cents which is also inaccurate and false. Just a thought...
- Tyr7BE, on 10/12/2007, -2/+188"Unfortunately it is 10x more true with Digg than with Slashdot. Don't get me wrong, I frequent Digg a lot more than slashdot, but if I want intelligent discussion on a posted subject, I always turn to slashdot. It might have something to do with their comment ranking system, but it seems like there are always good points made regarding subjects that are always interesting. Sure the site doesn't update as much, but then again I don't have to sift through a bunch of blogspam about iphone and mac predictions. The "problem" with digg is the same people who get the stories to the front page are the same ones commenting on it. Many times you will get stories that are inaccurate and false and the diggers will make it worse by adding their 2 cents which is also inaccurate and false. Just a thought..."
A good percentage of Digg comments also tend to consist of "OMG LOL!!!" or "PWNED" or running jokes on slashdot that people don't really understand, but spread around on Digg regardless. I find that in general, the crowd on slashdot tends to be more well-spoken, and hold opinions that I find more interesting or valid than the general trends I see on Digg. Could be that Slashdot never carries stories about girlfriends getting dumped on the radio or guys getting hit in the nuts with rocket skateboards. - WaterDragon, on 10/12/2007, -6/+146@lyph4
"Web 2.0 the hell out of it."
Oh No! You Didn't!
I've never heard anyone use the dubious concept of 'Web2.0' as a VERB!
You should get Linuxed for that. - omatsei, on 10/12/2007, -9/+130I think the Slashdot comment modding system is a little less prone to personal opinion (but this is my personal opinion, of course). For instance, I always have the right to digg or bury people's comments on Digg, so I often digg people with whom I agree with, and bury people I disagree with, based solely on their stance, not the evidence or thoughtfulness of their comment. On Slashdot, I would actually mod people according to the accuracy of their comment, the evidence given, or humor or insightfulness (is that a word?), or whatever other mod labels they have. I would specifically avoid modding people according to my personal opinion, because... it seemed wrong somehow. I can't very well say "-1 for you, asshat, because you're full of *****", but on Digg, that's entirely possible (and even encouraged, given the "Bury, OK This is Lame" option).
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+114Slashcode allows for comment filtering that makes Digg's "forums" look like a kindergarten project.
First, hate trolls and stupid comments? Set your filter at +1--this removes most ACs and trolls.
Second, give a +1 to any user with good karma and -1 to any user with bad karma. This will help filter out the people who go from good one day to trolling the next.
Third, bump your friends up +2 and your foes down -2.
Fourth, give a +1 to all insightful, interesting or informative posts.
Fifth, give a -2 to all posts under 40 bytes (goodbye 'me too' comments!)
Sixth, tweak for personal taste, all these settings (and more) are customizable. - devolved, on 10/12/2007, -3/+105"I work for slashdot" ... "Cos some diggers believe anything they hear."
I applaud you, sir, for your subtlety. (polite, golf-like clap) - lukas88, on 10/12/2007, -8/+102Is this internet nerd self hate day?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -9/+99His comment supports John Gabriel's most excellent "Greater Internet ***** Theory" http://www.bscene.com.au/greater-internet-*****-theory.jpg
- Anrkist, on 10/12/2007, -6/+95Please refer to this part "They lie about their own experience to make their case", Mr. /.
- tont0r, on 10/12/2007, -2/+89Atleast on slashdot I wont see a post saying 'BEST DIGG COMMENT EVER!'
- guitarromantic, on 10/12/2007, -4/+78I've been seeing this doing the rounds on Reddit, del.icio.us, Slashdot itself, and now Digg. It's almost 5 years old. Let's get over it. I post on Slashdot and have Excellent karma and moderate pretty regularly. It wasn't too hard to get that karma, I just posted good comments and the system did its work.
If we're criticising the commenting policy of tech sites, let's not ignore Digg. The lack of multiple threading in comments means that people try to reply to the first comments knowing it will put their responses higher on the page. Because everyone can moderate comments, it means that comments at the top get hypermoderated, because Average Joe User sees "oh, this first comment has been dugg 42 times, I better digg it too!" and you end up with a hugely overrated score. What I like about Slashdot is that a) you only get five mod points and b) a comment can only get a maximum of 5 points. This system means that you value your mod (or "digg") points much more and use them to promote worthwhile stuff rather than digging (or undigging) something purely because everyone else did.
I realise that Slashdot has its faults too; notably that everyone tends to be Linux zealots and often like to think they know much better than you on whatever the issue of the day is. Likewise though, I always wonder what will happen to my comments on digg since there's every possibility a well-intended post could end up with -50 diggs because a few people didn't like it and everyone else committed groupthink.
People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, ya dig(g)?
EDIT: and look, the first two comments here have 80 diggs and 59. Below that it drops off to almost 2 or just 1 digg per comment. See my point? - solemnraven, on 10/12/2007, -20/+92I totally ***** that guys mom.
- KyleRayner, on 10/12/2007, -1/+73Hey, I work for Slashdot also. Now step into my office. Why? Because youre ***** fired.
- Elranzer, on 10/12/2007, -14/+80"I believe the same is true w/ digg"
Especially the part about Macs. - Coldstreak, on 10/12/2007, -7/+67The only problem I have with digg is how comments get dugged up or down.
Intelligent, well thought out posts should be dugg up regardless of the opinion of the poster.
Instead, posts get dugg down if the majority disagrees with said opinion, regardless of the validity of the argument. Its quite tiresome seeing well-laid out arguments dugg down so quickly. - Ryanxv1, on 10/12/2007, -1/+59@lyph4
"Web 2.0 the hell out of it."
Let's get some rounded corners on this bitch - WalkerBurgin, on 10/12/2007, -50/+104Agreed... on both accounts
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+54That's the problem with mob rule.
When 20 people in the crowd can out yell the lone speaker... Everyone loses. - kcpwnsgman, on 10/12/2007, -6/+56next on slashdot, the best digg comment ever...
"I saw a girl once" - InfamousAtheist, on 10/12/2007, -25/+71The same is probably true about most user-driven sites, but that was elegant, cruel, and hilarious all at once. I found it funny and would have LMAO'd no matter who the target was.
"Don't become a regular here, you will become retarded." ROFL. - HisTumness, on 10/12/2007, -4/+50"They have arrogent childlike qualities and where they can't find fault with an argument, they find fault with grammer."
You mean grammar. - notjamt9000, on 10/12/2007, -3/+46This greasemonkey script allows you to easily create typical digg comments:
http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/7714
screenshot: http://personales.ya.com/casitasoler/james/diggcomment/diggcommentpic.png
Direct link: http://userscripts.org/scripts/source/7714.user.js - ETHANOPIA, on 10/12/2007, -2/+43The most important thing about slashdot is that they do get substantial amount of very intelligent people who have very specific knowledge about a very specific subject. There are a lot of scientists and researchers who follow it, and they comment pretty regularly about some really cool stuff. But you have to wade through the idiots to get to the good stuff.
This is true of life in general as well, its mostly populated with idiots, the goal is filtering those people out and concentrating on the good folks. - HisTumness, on 10/12/2007, -4/+44Give the PA guys credit: http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/03/19
- ipodsweatshop, on 10/12/2007, -5/+42The user-run nature of Digg automatically lowers the standard of anything on the front page due to the "Ooohhhh shiny!!!!" nature of the average person. Why do you think a "tips for linux n00bs" story hits the frontpage every few days or the 1,000,000,000,000,000th "Everyone must love Ipods but hate DRM and the RIAA!!!!" article?
Most of the people reading and commenting are helpdesk nerds waiting for the next hapless non-nerd to call with a printer problem so they can make annoyed noises at the person because they refuse to give admin access and this person can't fix anything on their own even if they could. On Digg, they get to submit crap too. Slashdot at least filters the stories on their own and then lets the helpdesk crew ruin everything. - santo71, on 10/12/2007, -3/+39replace "slashdot" with the name of virtually any other online forum and the same commentary still applies.
the universal issue with the whole mess, is unfortunately, the loose nut behind the keyboard. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -10/+46If Digg had a better comment and moderation system, it would be much better. See what slashdot has spent years working on, and take it to the next level. Web 2.0 the hell out of it.
- Bahimiron, on 10/12/2007, -2/+35Man, anyone who thinks Slashdot is bad has never spent any time reading the World of Warcraft forums.
If internet forums are where empathy and humanity go to die, the WoW forums are the shallow grave where they're buried and eventually eaten by coyotes. - vp0ng, on 10/12/2007, -4/+36There is not much discussion on Digg.
Mostly hundred of comments which generally fall into some variety of one of the following statements:
1. That's cool!
2. That sucks!
3. You suck!
4. DUPE!
5. Buried for typo!
6. Photo or it didn't happen! - jaredseth, on 10/12/2007, -2/+33Moving Fark cliches to digg? And there's still no cure for cancer?
- jrob, on 10/12/2007, -12/+43meh ive seen better on /.
- Philluminati, on 10/12/2007, -7/+34The problem with Digg and Slashdot isn't because their stupid, It's because they're kids.
They have arrogent childlike qualities and where they can't find fault with an argument, they find fault with grammer.
That's the thing with teens however, eventually their opinions will change as they grow up and see the real world.
Part of the problem is the fact that when you see kids, you dismiss their comments because they are so small. On the internet however you can't say "no sprogs under this height". - flipcritic, on 10/12/2007, -7/+32Case closed.
- krc1, on 10/12/2007, -4/+28My favorite comment was from someone that didn't care for the new beige Slashdot IT theme:
http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=116003&cid=9818444
Re:Old News Indeed
(Score:5, Funny)
by Anonymous Coward on 09:39 PM -- Tuesday July 27 2004 (#9818444)
I dunno, it's kind of an achievement, "Radioactive Beige". Until now, no color scheme had ever acheived simultaneous DayGlo and Drab. By rights, it just shouldn't be possible. Yet there it is, making my eyes scream and my ears bleed. BEIGE BEIGE BEIGE BEIGE BEIGE.
THE BEIGE OF A DAMNED ELDER GOD YEARNING TO ENFOLD YOU IN THE HORRIBLE CLUTCHES OF ITS CLOYINGLY INSIPID YET AGGRESSIVELY MALEVOLENT TINT.
Not the merely mortal 70s beige of the hospital waiting room, nor the beige of thick yet laddered tights concealing the varicose veins of the embittered nurse in attendance in the waiting room, nor yet the beige of the liver spots on the back of the crabbed hands of the coughing patient in the waiting room. IT IS THE BEIGE OF THE END TIMES. THE BEIGE THAT CONSUMES ALL.
All worldly beige is a mere shadow of the HORROR THAT IS SLASHDOT IT SECTION RADIOACTIVE BEIGE. - Lark7, on 10/12/2007, -0/+24Digg: Where people go to comment on posts about comments on posts on Slashdot.
- emorphien, on 10/12/2007, -2/+18by vicious and petty peanut gallery, you're referring to digg I presume
- Nonchalant, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14Yes, mob rule mentality is the purest form of democracy - which is why our nation is NOT a democracy.
Remember, a lynch mob is democracy, too. - robdazomba, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15Sites like Slashdot and Digg start out great but once they become the "in place" online and draw the script kiddies and the wannabe haxx0rs, they start to suck big time. I watched it happen to Slashdot (although their moderation system is still far superior to Digg's and weeds out the crap a lot more efficiently) and Digg is currently succumbing to it too. I'm sort of disappointed, but it humors me that Digg users constantly take cheap shots at Slashdot for the things Digg is also guilty of.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14I hate to say this, but...Digg has more people, /. had more intelligence.
But the internet now is all about quantity, not quality. - surgen, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14@Crispin
If someone on /. doesn't know his *****, but hits google and wikipidia to see if his opinion is valid before commenting, there is some intelligence to that person. I admire anyone who checks the validity of their point before spewing their ***** unto the world. - AlmostEvil, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15Why was he dugg down?
He's got a very valid point. When was the last time you saw John Carmack post on digg? - superKduper, on 10/12/2007, -5/+18If you weren't aware of it before, you probably know it by now. Anything interesting or useful that rears its head on DIGG will likely be ripped to shreds by what has quickly become the nets most vicious and petty peanut gallery.
DIGGers know nothing, they accomplish nothing, and their opinions are worth nothing. They are uniformly bitter, small-minded geeks who overestimate their own importance and their own skillz. They are, for the most part, losers. Their biggest accomplishment is in insulting others' spelling and grammar, attacking the GPL license despite their grade level understanding of it, and tricking people into clicking on goatse.cx links. They are know-it-all blowhards who use their computers primarily for Pornography and online gaming, at which they cheat regularly to offset their complete lack of motor skills.
Despite touting the wonderous greatness of linux and open source, they all use Windows and Internet Explorer. They like Macs because of OSX, but want it to run on X86 so they can steal a copy and give nothing back. They will eventually buy a Mac due to their inability to run Windows without crashing it constantly by their own stupidity, and become raving unbalanced lunatics who do more harm than good for the Mac community by claiming that the G4 is quadruple the speed of a dual 3Ghz Xeon box.
They lie about their own experience to make their case, and when you win an argument with them, they post anonymously in order to tell you they've had sex with your mother.
Don't become a regular here, you will become retarded. - verifex, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13Digg is a glorified echo-chamber. Slashdot is still a chamber, but there is less echo in there, simply as the number of people visiting Slashdot is less then Digg, but the quality of people is higher there then it is here (in terms of wit and actual knowledge of a subject), simply because there are less overall users there, and the users who are there are more 'nerd' as the subtitle "News for nerds" implies. Digg makes no assumptions about it's users, and therefore has a very diverse userbase, however diverse also means whatever conversation we have gets boiled down the least common denominator between all of us. The normalizing effect of thousands of people moderating has a very negative impact on overall conversation quality.
- hansonc, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14how is Digg even remotely easier to read than Slashdot? This crappy giant single thread crap should have ended years ago but this new fangled Web 2.0 site couldn't even get that right. It's like using a flat text file for comments around here.
- tont0r, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12its called multithreaded comments. its nice when you dont have to 'reply' to the parent when you really want to reply to someone half way down the comments.
- verifex, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12On Slashdot there is moderator accountability. They have something called "Meta-moderation" which is essentially when peers evaluate the moderators decisions individually. Plus Slashdot has karma, so if you are a jerk, your comments will start out at 0 or less. Slashdot rewards intelligent discussion, digg rewards idiotic knee-jerk reactionary posts. I've said this over and over again, but Digg needs to change the "first comment" thing, so that the comment system is not so focused on "first come first served". The "sort by date" filter has basic threading, "sort by most diggs" does not have any threading.
PLEASE DIGG, ADD MORE COMPLEX COMMENT THREADING SYSTEM! - BigW, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12Actually, I'd modify your post to say.
I believe the same thing is more true with digg.
I've been on /. a long time and its devolution in the comment space has been going on at a much slower pace than seems to be happening here at digg. - chubbymidget, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12Whats Slashdot? Why would you command a taco?
- ts8lemonade, on 10/12/2007, -5/+14I miss the days when digg was tech oriented.
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