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- mickeyknoxxx, on 10/12/2007, -6/+220Getting a counterfeit $20 dollar bill at an ATM machine, now that I believe.
But a Bank of America Teller being nice and owning up to their mistake?
Liar. - EntropyMan, on 10/12/2007, -6/+102Any chance that ATM was built by Diebold?
- paulmike3, on 10/12/2007, -10/+62Cashiers are not supposed to return counterfeit money to people who attempt to pass it. They're taught to turn it in to a supervisor and call the police. Counterfeiting money is a serious crime, and returning it to the perp is just as serious.
- Jaq524, on 10/12/2007, -3/+50lol, "ATM machine"
:) - Ratking, on 10/12/2007, -3/+42I just saw a new ATM being installed at work and it was Diebold software running on Windows XP.
Luckily it's in a secure part of the building, because that machine could be compromised by a chimp with a coat hanger. - duckyfresh, on 10/12/2007, -6/+44The site is broken already... Bank of America CLEARLY doesn't want word getting out about their underground counterfeiting operation.
- blobzorz, on 10/12/2007, -1/+38One time I payed a traffic ticket in $1 bills and the bursar took all the bills, laid them out in a fan shape, and used a counterfeit pen on all of them =p
- skellener, on 10/12/2007, -2/+36Happened to me too. Got change back from the Post Office stamp machine...only to find out that one of my Sacagawea dollars wasn't - it was a ***** CHUCKY CHEESE TOKEN!!! The bastards!
- Daniel5884, on 10/12/2007, -2/+36@paulmike3 its actually the secret service not police that handle counterfeit currency
- TheDigerati, on 10/12/2007, -0/+33Down, google cache: http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:_4wb4AGv6sQJ:www.wealthjunkie.com/2007/04/20/bank-of-america-counterfeit-money/+http://www.wealthjunkie.com/2007/04/20/bank-of-america-counterfeit-money/&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us
- oesj, on 10/12/2007, -2/+35@paulmike3
anyone organised enough to be counterfeiting money, is probably sensible enough not to attempt to launder it by paying it into his own account! :P
anyone caught with small amounts of fake money are victims, not perps. - mannymix03, on 10/12/2007, -2/+34lucky, the time this happened to me i tried to return it and the police came and questioned me for around 30 minutes, and at the end of all of it, they took the fake $20 and didn't give me crap.
Moral of the story, use the counterfeit money - JoeBaynham, on 10/12/2007, -3/+35Any chance the ATM was built buy the same company that built the server?
- why1ime, on 10/12/2007, -1/+33@ridgelawrence
I remember one time, in middle school, the lunch lady accepted a "Sex Dollar Bill" (with Bill Clinton's face on it) because she thought it was a six dollar bill. She gave the kid $5 in change and everything. She eventually realized it, although I'm not sure if the kid who did it got in trouble. Not technically a counterfeit bill story, but I thought I'd share. - SpaceMonkeyZero, on 10/12/2007, -16/+44So that's how illegal immigrants are paying off their BoA credit card bills!
- TideBall, on 10/12/2007, -0/+28Having been a former bank manager, I know that there are forms to fill out for the secret service. The teller should NOT have done the exchange, however it would be much easier for the bank to do it instead of someone putting up a fight (strictly a judgement call, nonetheless a bad one). The questionaire on the forms may cause some issues, especially dealing with an outsider bringing the bill in however, NOT ONCE did our banking center get as much as a phone call from the SS. Never. I must have turned in bills at least on 4 occassions in 1 year.
The ATMs that are located in branches are sometimes maintained internally. On an average, a busy location can easily go through over $200K+ in cash between 2 machines per weekend. If one were to refill themselves internally, speed counters are usually used. Not the greatest at detecting counterfeits. I do not believe ATMs themselves have a guard against it. Diebold is a major ATM company, however most times ATMs (standalone) are serviced by contractors. Diebold still would have access to the ATMs, but the cash is filled by an armored service company. In all honesty, I have been in the position to deal with random unpleasant occurances at a banking center (i.e. tax levies, spousal account drainage, death, overdrafts, fraud) and it all depends on the situation on how a manager of a branch handles it. - oddmanout, on 10/12/2007, -0/+24we have plastic money, too... its called credit cards.... in fact, its so fancy, you don't even have to have the money to spend it.
- Enjoikr3w, on 10/12/2007, -1/+24Question: If you posses a counterfeit bill and try to spend it, not having a clue it's counterfeit, would you still be held accountable? Or do police investigate it and see if you made the bill or not?
- greenlight2001, on 10/12/2007, -0/+23The 100 dollar bill is the most counterfeited in *foreign* countries. The 20 dollar bill is most counterfeited in the U.S. because its easier to pass here.
- TangerineDream, on 10/12/2007, -5/+24The police will determine if you committed a crime by your intent. Did you intend to use the counterfit bill, or was it an accident? They might get a warrant to check your house as well.
- WarpFox, on 10/12/2007, -0/+19That's because they dont trust their cashiers to handle the situation. They would far rather eat $20 than get bad customer service. Or a lawsuit.
- CompIsMyRx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+18Diebold ATMs are pretty standard in some banks.
However, most ATMs are actually just WinXP boxes with an ATM GUI program running 24/7. - skyfire1, on 10/12/2007, -2/+20Thanks for letting the criminals at Digg know where to circulate their money.
- Takfam, on 10/12/2007, -9/+27Diebold actually makes ATMs. I don't know about the rest of the country, but they're used extensively in Southern California.
http://www.diebold.com/gssssps/services1.htm - benmarvin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+17@paulmike3
Actually the few places I've worked in retail, specifically Lowe's and Home Depot, it was corporate policy to accept any bill. If you suspected counterfeit, set it aside and let LP handle the issue later. And not to confront or refuse anyone's tender. - TangerineDream, on 10/12/2007, -3/+17$20 bills is the most counterfitted bill of currency in the world because it is the 1/2 way point between being a very expensive bill and being a small bill. Examine how many clerks will give a second look to a $50 bill and above or mark it with a counterfit pen, but not give a rat's ass about a $20
- dphoenix1, on 10/12/2007, -9/+23umm, spacemonkey was in all likelihood referencing the illegal status of these immigrants, not their race... two completely different issues.
- bbobkins, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14America needs to take a leaf out of Australia's book, as it has the most secure currency in the world. Plastic see-though notes are almost impossible to counterfeit with today's technology.
http://www.questacon.edu.au/html/plastic_banknotes.html - xkenny13, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12paulmike3: I haven't worked retail in 20 years ... however when I did, we would frequently return credit cards that were marked "confiscate". They didn't want to be the ones left holding the bag in case the machine or the records were in error. To piss off a legitimate customer over a bank error would look bad on the retail establishment, and letting them keep the contested card didn't cost them a dime.
- fuzzmeister, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14And we care why?
- mccrusc, on 10/12/2007, -5/+17It's how I pay my bil...
Hold on, FBI is at the do - Wonderkind, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12I think for the sake of a hundred bucks, I'd have to call a reporter or the police.
The inconvenience to the bank would have made them quickly make an exception to their policy. - drdank, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12There isn't any incentive for the average citizen to turn in that counterfeit that they got with their change or bank withdrawal somewhere. Nobody wants to be out the money, so it becomes a game of "hot potato", passing it along until it gets yanked and the loser is out the face value of the bill.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11Australia makes notes for other countries, as well. I used their plastic currency in Brunei and it was really interesting, well, really interesting to a geek who likes plastic money.
- bbobkins, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12sorry I'm new to posting on dig... it didn't appear to work the first time. :(
- revenge7, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10@EntropyMan
If your PC only works 3 hours a day, I doubt it is the OS's fault. - Lancer383, on 10/12/2007, -5/+13Strip clubs give me counterfeit one dollar bills all the time. Doesn't stop me from going.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Who is digging this man down? He is sharing his experience as a bank manager so you digg him down? Instead, the random jokes unrelated to the actual story get dugg up...
- hunglowang, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Bank of America gave him a counterfeit $20 and Digg took his site down. Poor guy, what's next.
- Osiriscky3, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9^ Umm?
you're just jealous.
do not pass go do not collect $200 - Wonderkind, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7In the US, our paper money is actually made of linen.
They all look pretty much the same, they are all the same size, all easy for experts to fake, and to check one, you really have to look pretty hard.
We'll probably never improve it. We have dollar coins that are the same size as our quarters. - johnpaul191, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7basically the US Government feels that there is a very strong perception of the strength and stability of the US dollar around the world and they fear messing with the bills too much to shake that up. that's why we have not switched to bills in different sizes, plastic based etc etc etc. it was a major change that the newest redesigned bills are not just shades of green. that may change down the road, but that's why the US is seemingly so behind the rest of the world with high-tech money.
- samadam, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8@Takfam:
yep, they just replaced my local one with a diebold. Central Ohio. - flashboy131, on 10/12/2007, -5/+11those counterfeit pens don't work.
Smart counterfeiters bleach a $1 or $5 and print the $20 or $100 on the bleached paper.
I have seen bills like this with fake strips in them as well. - MidnightWatcher, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8NCR makes the best ATMs. Always nice machines to do my banking with.
- oddmanout, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6i knew someone that turned a fake $20 bill once and the bank just kept it without reimbursing her. She didn't get it from that bank or anything... but the bank took it upon themselves to confiscate it....they said it was the policy.
- sig331, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6The Costco clerk broke a law... It is illegal to knowingly pass counterfeit money. It's cool that they gave it back so the issue could get resolved, but legally they should have kept it.
- enginbeering, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6In China, every single time you spend a 100 yuan bill, the person checks it. This is true of everyone from grocery stores to street vendors. At first I was a little offended-thinking that they were checking it because I was a foreigner and they didn't trust me. I later found out that counterfeit 100's are a big problem in China, so just about everyone everywhere checks for them.
- zlintux, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5@paulmike3
What he means is that when you shop at costco, you have a membership (account). So to rip them off would be stupid -- they have your name and address.
But yeah, I worked at a major retail store for 18 months. The policy we were told was to hold on to the counterfeit item (bill/credit card/check) unless we felt that we were putting ourselves in harms way. People who tried to pass fake money would always hide it amongst real money, and as such, the total would be high. So when we found a fake bill (or what we thought was one), we'd call a supervisor over to do a money drop. They'd take the money into a back room, alert LP and verify it using a fluorescent light and a magnifying glass. With a check, we'd do the same thing with "my supervisor needs to verify this" type excuse. Credit cards, you keep saying that your register is malfunctioning, and you call LP, use a special code work and pretend they're some sort of maintainance department.
Honestly, you'd be truly surprised how often the guy would stand there and wait to be arrested. We had a great LP department too, so within 45 seconds of a call, there would be a very bulky LP agent fewer than 10 feet away. On one incident for which I was present, a guy tried to pass $120 in twenties amongst a $230 total. When we realised it was taking too long and ran, he left $110 in real money...
Oh, and it's worth noting, that those counterfeit detection pens are mostly for *****. About 80% of the counterfeit money we caught, it was $20 or higher, and the notes would be $1 or $5 bills that were washed and then a $20, $50 or $100 face was printed on. Then, you take a clear glitter pen and go over the colour changing ink in the bottom right. Those pens would say the thing is real, and if a $5 was used (often for $50 and $100), a quick glance for the watermark or the strip inside the bill would show that both existed -- just the wrong face and wrong denomination on the strip (who actually bothers to check if it's the right president or reads that strip?). - Ratking, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Google cache got it:
http://72.14.209.104/search?hs=sUq&hl=en&lr=&c2coff=1&q=cache%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.wealthjunkie.com%2F2007%2F04%2F20%2Fbank-of-america-counterfeit-money%2F&btnG=Search -
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