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- valkyries, on 10/12/2007, -8/+41What a sick *****....
- stutheidiot, on 10/12/2007, -1/+288 lashes x 9 tails = 72 lashes
Oh, and sixteen years in prison. - ProximaC, on 10/12/2007, -1/+28Only 8 lashes?
- Wootery, on 10/12/2007, -3/+27Unfortunately, pants (if that is your real name), your system encourages rape of younger victims.
You could even get away with no lashes at all, if you're sick enough. - drpeppper, on 10/12/2007, -9/+25when i read the description I thought he was getting beat with some sort of pokemon.
- ostracize, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16Looks like you may have found a bug in Digg
- imfm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+15Mashed his genitals. Feisty old lady; I think she's got some "balls" herself.
Good idea to split up the lashes, too. Four so he knows what he can look forward to after he finishes his sentence. - SpeedoBurrito, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14Yes, she "mashed his genitals" as she should. Good for her!
- wscott, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15From the article:
"A long-serving prison governor told me that prisoners who received the cat never returned to prison. He considered it the ultimate deterrent," Thompson said. - Captbob007, on 10/12/2007, -8/+21I'm all for the cruel and unusual punishment. When some prisoners seriously want to get back into prison, you know something is wrong.
- Brian48216, on 10/12/2007, -11/+25We should bring that back to the states.
Prison doesn't are many people. You gotta treat criminals like bad children and beat them. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14why not, the guy deserves it - better then just killing him, at least he gets punished. But man you've gotta be out of your mind trying to rape a senior citizen.
- LanceUppercut, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12"The woman told the court that she grabbed Newbold's genitals and 'mashed' them."
solid. That made me cringe :) - mc1123, on 10/12/2007, -6/+17that could definitely be said a little less crudely, but you're right.
- unibomber999, on 10/12/2007, -7/+18He is right and we need corporal punishment like this in our justice system in the US, in addition to public humiliation. There's too much honor in being a criminal these days. Criminals should have to face the ridicule of the society that they prey upon.
the only real crime deterrent in our system is the one we don't sanction; gay rape. Everyone will tell you that is the real reason that they don't want to go to jail.
Hiding people away for years, in what is essentially a school for criminals, surprisingly doesn't rehab anyone. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9I guess if you get drunk and tend to rape 83-year old women, you probably shouldn't drink.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10You mean an 83 year old woman fended him off? What the hell are his arms made of, silly puddy?
- DigeratiPrime, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat_o'_nine_tails
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10It's not unusual if we do it more! Problem solved!
- NinjaBoy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9What im wondering is how did he fail? She kick his ass?
- ghm101, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Most people die after about 20, the (british navy style) lash is hard core.
- gnomon, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11What would "cruel and unusual" mean to someone who tried to rape an 83 year old? Being sentenced to sex with an 83 year old would be cruel and unusual punishment.
- spidermanspants, on 10/12/2007, -7/+14I wasn't so clear
I meant instead of 8 lashes, the man should suffer 83 (same age as his attempted rape victim) - Gunnaf, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7@somebitches
"Screw whoever is modding me down, no-one wants to have a debate on corporal punishment, you all think you know best, you all think corporal punishment works but no-one can back that up."
If you want a debate, try posing your side of the ***** story without referring to people as ***** and idiots, you ***** *****. Otherwise, no one is going to give a flying ***** about anything you say. Now, please shut the ***** up. - godIsADJ, on 10/12/2007, -4/+10With 83 lashes you'd just kill him...
- 98acura, on 10/12/2007, -6/+11yea but here in america we use the lethal injection so these child murderers die painlessly because ya know, they deserve to live..
Beat them with this slowly until they die.. - dromni, on 10/12/2007, -4/+10I also thought that the sentence was kind of mild. Anyway, Bahamas is surely becoming a part of A World That Works, as they said in "Starship Troopers" - the movie. And now, quoting approximately the book - not the movie, "Nature gave us pain, a marvelous tool for teaching people what is right and what is wrong. Why not use it?"
- mad1stl, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4@somebitches....no, we do want debate. We just cant read between all the "*****, *****, you ***** terrorist *****, retard *****...*****" Screaming obcenities at the other way of thinking? Thats not debate.
- dingletec, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5There is something to be said for punishments that include pain and humiliation. If all potential criminals knew they would be whipped in public until they were sobbing for mercy... The punishment should fit the crime. I think all violent offenders should have something like this, with only the lashing for minor offenses rather than jail time. How many violent people would ignore a restraining order or control their tempers if they knew they would get a mandatory lashing? I was seriously outraged by that caning of an American in Singapore years ago, but I believe I have changed my mind on the subject.
- gaoshan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5"Corporal punishment does NOT reduce crime" OK. But if someone attempted to rape my grandmother I'd want them punished not to reduce crime, I'd want them punished purely for the satisfaction of getting revenge on the bastard.
- KevinWhite, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5unless acting like a "drunken out of control idiot" is code for raping women, i think you'll be ok.
- Corvidae, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Yeah, the part they don't mention about the cat-o-nine is that it's not just a whip. It's a flail. It removes flesh as it hits and leaves scarring that is unmistakable and very very permanent.
The reason it was used for punishment wasn't just because it hurt like hell and deterred the person from commiting it again. It was because the guys that lived would be walking around on the boat without a shirt. Showing a set of scars that'll turn your stomach and make you think real hard before you do something that might get you a matching set. - wscott, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7Just 8:
Altulus Newbold, 34, was sentenced on Friday to 16 years in prison after being found guilty of burglary, attempted rape and causing harm. Justice Jon Isaacs ordered that he receive four lashes of the whip at the start of his sentence and four upon his release - agent0range, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6I remember this story when he was first arrested (I'm from the Bahamas but moved last year).
I also remember old folks and parents threatening the 'cat' to deter children from misbehaving while I was growing up. It sounds unusual, but in this case the punishment fits the crime.
Considering they still hang people in The Bahamas I'd say the guy was lucky! - ricree, on 10/12/2007, -6/+10@Captbob007
Personally, I don't really find this to fall under the heading cruel and unusual punishment. When that line was put into the constitution, there were some pretty messed up things that used to happen to people, the most notable perhaps was being drawn and quartered. While this certainly doesn't sound pleasant, I would have no objections to using on criminals convicted of particularly bad crimes. - mwilding, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4@ somebitches
How can you complain that people modding you down is stifling debate when everyone of your posts does nothing more than call the people who disagree with you terrorists? That is not debate. State in lucid language your reasons for condemning corporal punishment and you might see some actual debate in response. Continue to spam vitriol, and you'll just see more posts modded down. - unibomber999, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4yeah, they seem to be missing the retribution part of justice. Let's say someone rapes and kills your Mom, are you going to be satisfied that he is now living in a facility tucked away from society, watching tv, eating 3 square meals a day and working out? No, you are going to hope he gets ass raped and killed in prison.
If our prisons were actually what we intend them to be, then there would be no raping/killing in prison and it wouldn't be that bad of a place. It's the corporal punishment unintentionally built into the system that gives victims their retribution.
In the end, what's a few lashes. Yeah, it hurts the criminal, but it reinforces our public condemnation of the crime. Criminals should be placed in cages in public places so that they can be spit on and ridiculed. There should be no honor in being a thief. There should be no "street cred" for killing another human being. You should be showcased as the lowlife that you are. This would reinforce our societal values to everyone by putting criminals in their proper place in the heirarchy, as human spitoons.
If you think this wouldn't be a deterrent, then you don't understand human nature. There was a reason that execution used to be public. People respond to communal condemnation. - Corvidae, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4The point of brutal physical punishments is not to stop the person you are hurting. It's not going to work, and may very well make the person a more hardened criminal. Either way he's gonna need some mental work before he's safe to let out in public again. If your going to have to rebuild someone's mind anyway, you may as well make use of him before then, and get a jump start on breaking them down in the first place.
The people it does work on are the innocent bystanders that haven't commited a crime yet. The key point being 'yet'. Regimes throughout history have shown that public punishment of crimes does work as long as your laws are just and fair. The downside is that you'll have order right up to the point you have outright revolt if the laws are abused (It's almost garunteed to happen at some point)
While it may be a barbaric punishment, it can also be an effective one for keeping the public safe. The real issue is that of any government, at some point it will be abused. It sucks when a tax law is abused, it's catastrophic when a capital punishment is abused. - j3one, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Hey I have always been a fan of making an eunuch out of repeat rape offenders and child molestors. The coolest thing about this is, this sick pervert got a HUGE sentence, no sex, is getting whipped twice AND got his balls "mashed". haha, nice granny, nice...
- shaaban, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6That is just punishment. We need that back here in the states plus a long ass jail sentence. Maybe throw in a whipping now and then so that jail doesn't get to easy for them.
- mwilding, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5@ somebitches
Is that some of your fabled debate? Well, kudos to you for taking one person's point and beating it into the ground with an extreme interpretation of what they were saying. At least you have moved on from ad hominem attacks against the posters... - gfailure, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I love it when people see something, get up in arms about it, and then bring up the "what if" extreme example. Yes, we're going to bring back the cat-o'-nine-tails for rapists and other violent offenders, and while we're at it we'll use it for those convicted of Grand Theft Pastry. Because, you know, we had the death penalty for the most minor offenses already.
- cquinnd, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4somebitches, I was willing to mod your comments back up, because you do have some
relevant points to your arguement.
But your continuing anger, profanity and generalizing of everyone, who does not express the same reaction as you do, as enemies of the state seriously undermines your arguement and makes you come across more as a fanatic than as someone with valuable insight into the debate. Frankly you are just encouraging more of the comments that you seem to rail against. - DullesGuy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5@ somebitches,
You should consider the fact that many people agree with this method of punishment a reason as to why it's NOT "sick". Saying something is "sick" or "cruel" is relative to what we define is humane. Everyone else seems to think of it fine.
How can it not work? The idea is not just the lashings but the fact that they would be made in public for everyone to see. "If you do this, this happens to you." I find it logical, if anything. He was publishing a book against the government or shoplifting from a store; he attempted to RAPE an elderly woman! - jcuffe, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4You seem to have forgotten that we're "civilised" which I think means that whatever applies to one person, applies to everyone, right? So if somebitches thinks something's wrong, so does everyone else, right?
I just think someone was beaten too much as a kid. Corporal punishment works, especially when coupled with vigilant enforcement. The "they think they won't get caught" argument falls apart after the criminal gets caught the first time, because after that you can be damn sure they'll be a little less confident in their abilities. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Wow, somebitches. You are so eloquent and persuasive. You've changed my entire world view! Thank you!
0.o - astrocreep2k, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4"all he really succeeded in doing is scare an old woman"
So I guess since he wasn't successful, its no big deal... And as far as barbarism, I think attempting to rape an 83 year old women is the definition of the word. - dromni, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Well, it is not beyond me. U.S. laws are forgiving to criminals relatively to those in Bahamas, period. And if that is barbarism... I, for one, welcome it.
- floorman56, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3No it's Singapore where you don't want to do that. Remember Michael Peter Fay? He was caned for spay painting a car.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_P._Fay -
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