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- devindotcom, on 10/12/2007, -2/+80With his mother's TWELVE other children in the house and a 15 yr old babysitter watching them.... what kind of situation is that for a kid to be in in the first place?
- dclowd9901, on 10/12/2007, -15/+63"9 years old?! Charge him as an adult and give 'em the chair!"
Seriously. I'm not sure what the poster is insinuating here, but come on. He's just a little kid. Lock him up and juvee now and turn him into a criminal for life. If anyone should be charged, it should be the mother for criminal negligence. - rindin, on 10/12/2007, -22/+629 years old?! Charge him as an adult and give 'em the chair!
- VMark, on 10/12/2007, -3/+35Is everyone on Digg crazy? This kid is 9.
- cdlavalle, on 10/12/2007, -2/+33Yeah, send him to Rikers! Dumb asses. The kid is 9. Arrest the parents if you arrest anyone. Nine year olds have no concept of life and how precious it is and how easily it is taken away. Might this kid need some help, psychologically? Probably, especially now. Should he be locked up? No. I did a lot of things as a kid that I would never do now because I have had time to grow in empathy for other living creatures (i.e. I remember very clearly helping my friends kill a frog in a bucket by throwing rocks into it.) I could never do something like that now. It takes time to develop and learn. These are not little adults, they are children. There is a reason they cannot vote until they are 18. There is a reason they cannot decide not to go to school. There is a reason they cannot (up till recently) be sent to prison. They do not have the background and framework to make informed decisions that mean something. Should he be punished? Of course. But for the sake of learning how severely wrong his actions are, not to lock him up to keep him from society at large. I fhe has mental problems, get him treatment. America is not F'ed up, you are.
- rindin, on 10/12/2007, -4/+28@dclowd9901; it was a joke.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+23We wouldn't have this problem if child protection agencies focused on all forms of abuse and not just sexual abuse. My cousins live in a pigsty, are completely unsupervised and have a temper tantrum if they don't get their way (At the ages of 9 and 13, no less). I wouldn't be surprised if they did stab someone eventually. I've called welfare, but they said they couldn't do anything about it.
I'm all for tracking down pedophiles, but we'd probably have a lot less crime in this country if we targeted bad parents as well. - matriculated, on 10/12/2007, -2/+20Stabbed twice no less.
- gwinerreniwg, on 10/12/2007, -1/+18@ TheRingmaster - If we put someone in solitary confinement or even prison for that long, what type of person do you think will emerge? Do you think they would be mentally healthy, with a respect for other humans? Now take the same person, but instead, get them to mandatory psychological counseling. Give them a good education and supervision. Which one would you prefer to live next door to? I'm not saying this is an option for all offenses, but this is a 9 year old kid here. I sympathize with the victim's family, but by doing what you suggest, many more will be harmed in the long run.
- cdlavalle, on 10/12/2007, -2/+18"And yet they know exactly how to stab someone." Not a tough concept...someone makes you angry, you bite, claw, hit, pinch or poke them. Animals who have no upper level thought do this kind of thing as a matter of course. Knowing that you can hurt someone with something pointy does not mean you understand the concept of death.
"There is also a reason why you keep knives away from children." I couldn't agree more. Protecting children from their own lack of judgment is a fundamental function of a parent.
"So that must mean 9 year olds cannot possibly stab anyone, because they aren't smart enough." That is a gross misinterpretation. A nine year old probably does not realize that they could kill someone or damage them for life if they stab them. They can certainly do the act. Just like they can look down the barrel of a gun or point at the Friend and pull the trigger without realizing the consequences.
"Because a nine year old stabbing a two year old is not F'ed up at all. " Yeah, a 9 year old stabbing a 2 year old is majorly f'ed up but I think it is even more f'ed up to throw away another life unnecessarily when we, as fully functioning adults who DO realize the consequences of our actions, decide just to lock away this poor kid and throw away the key.
I feel for the family of the child that was lost and I also feel for the family of the nine year old. What happened was tragic but these knee jerk responses of protect everyone at all costs scares me more than any single senseless killing ever could. - XopherMV, on 10/12/2007, -4/+19Jesus Christ, you people are nuts. You don't lock up a 9 year old in jail or juvenile detention for their actions, I don't care what he did. If anything, send the CHILD to a child psychologist and lock up the parents. Locking up a 9 year old does not send a message to other 9 year olds. And if he's really that screwed up in the head, then at 9 years old it's not his fault, so punishing him with jail time hardly makes sense.
- Clbck, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13IMO, nine is too young for the death penalty. He does, though, deserve some punishment. I got in trouble for just insulting my sister when I was nine. Stabbing someone definitely deserves some repercussions.
- FushBuck, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10If your average 9 year old were incapable of realising that stabbing someone is wrong, then there would be a lot more 9 year olds stabbing other people. It is not common because most 9 year olds recognize that stabbing 2 year olds is wrong. Because this particular kid is not capable of recognizing what most kids his age are capable of, it stands to reason this particular kid is a danger to society.
- VinceNoir, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7As the parent of a two year old, I can understand why some people would feel rage and want this kid's head on a platter or worse. That's why we have the legal system and government: to prevent action from being done based on emotion. Making decisions about the life of another person (whether we're talking prison, execution, euthenasia, etc...) requires a complete absence of emotion and only rational thought. That is the only way to certify a decent outcome based on the moral code of the society being goverened. This is what a lot of idiot hotheads (certain high ranking politicians come to mind) don't understand, believe in or support. Instead they want vigilante justice without knowing or caring about knowing all the facts. That's what's "f'cked up" about America. If anything, people who go on instinct and gut reactions should be carefully controlled. They are the true danger to America.
- eambabo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7sorry to be a jerk, but what about the fact the mother has 13 children and has been visited by child services repeatedly since 1994?
- Rikkochet, on 10/12/2007, -7/+13/me starts counting all the people on Digg who apparently don't remember what it was like to be 9.
I'll give you a hint: THEY AREN'T ***** STUPID.
Repercussions. Serious ones.
I'd be more inclined to have him lashed or forced to spend 8 hours every Saturday with a psychologist for the next 10 years, especially on nice sunny summer days. - ayeroxor, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7"Oh yea, because America is F'd up."
If they charged him with murder, half of America would say THIS PROVES AMERICA IS F'D UP.
Since they didn't charge him with murder, half of America will say THIS PROVES AMERICA IS F'D UP.
Yawn. Sometimes justice isn't about what makes YOU feel like vengeance was served. - ryno35, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7-netdroid9
Your suggestion is down right frightening. The government is a much worse alternative to "bad" parents in most cases. The foster care system in this country is scary and I would be terrified if any of my relatives ended up there. - dannylewis, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6When I was 9 I knew stabbing someone meant you would go to prison.
- CheapDigWannbe, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7You know what I'm living in America and I'm saying it's FU*ED UP HERE. Sorry but don't pin this on America will not work this time, because if we keep treating 9year olds like they're 4 year olds we won't go far. Elementary schools suck here. Kids learn to know the letters, the numbers and sentences. But for the most of the time they dance around and clap. The wheels go round and round... round and round... round and round.
For f***s sake most 9 year olds know generally how kids are made. They know what's bad and what's wrong. If we keep pretending that they're too stupid and too "young" that will not make kids more innocent.
America (YES including me) needs to grow the F**k up and start thinking about consequences. And maybe even start facing the problems. - fourzerofour, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4@poster description
*****, if someone posted the same headline but it said "and sentenced to life in prison" you would be the first guy to complain. - Karyyk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Make his "parent" responsible for his acts (and I'm using the term VERY loosely). This is another fine example of a sorry good-for-nothing freeloading on the American taxpayer by having children (especially during times when a lot of working people put off having families that they will raise and support, simply because they can't afford it). IMPULSE CONTROL isn't needed, because this is something that is done in a calculated fashion in order to get the monies rendered by the government. I'm not saying every case is like that, but you see if every so often, someone who doesn't give a crap about kids, but keeps shoving them out to get a payday. It's about time the government stopped rewarding people for irresponsible, damaging behavior, and one way to do that is to hold the "parents-in-name-only" types to blame when this kind of crap happens. Hold her accountable, send her to prison, take her gravy train away. Maybe that's what's needed to keep her legs shut the next time...
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4"The boy who police said stabbed the toddler has been placed in a hospital. He can't be prosecuted because of his age."
Oh what exactly /should/ they charge a 9 year old with? What about the ***** mother here, is she not at fault? I think 10news.com need to take a step back and get a better picture of whats going on here; here's a hint: negligence. - ICSU, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Almost in all countries, if you are 1-12, 13, 14, you cannot be prosecuted.
- Spikito, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4@ICSU, why'd you add 13 and 14 by themselves, couldnt you have just put 1-14?
- cdlavalle, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7That's assuming you don't have watchful parents, parents that have knives where their 9 year old can play with them. Yeah, this kid needs some help, some discipline, some proper parenting and there is a chance that he is a budding psychopath but I think a 9 year old deserves the benefit of the doubt. He does not deserve to be sent up the river. He does not deserve the assumption that he is irreconcilably damaged and thus sent on a life path that virtually guarantees that he fulfills that prophecy. Now should people other than his parents check in on this kid periodically? Yes. But he should not be locked up or institutionalized. Yet.
- nurbed, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4get the kid some medical help and charge the idiot mother.
- thcobbs, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5@cdlavalle
"Yeah, this kid needs some help, some discipline, some proper parenting and there is a chance that he is a budding psychopath"
"but I think a 9 year old deserves the benefit of the doubt."
" He does not deserve to be sent up the river. He does not deserve the assumption that he is irreconcilably damaged and thus sent on a life path that virtually guarantees that he fulfills that prophecy."
I see a lot of "he's not all bad". But, at what point is it OK to kill another human, and at what point is it not OK? - rekrapt, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Sterilized? Nazis on Digg?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4i had a pretty good understanding of why it would be a bad thing to stab someone when i was 9. it's hard to say what needs to be done with this kid. taking him to a psychiatrist may just make him better at telling people what they want to hear.
- reed311, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5If 9 year olds can be tried as adults, then people under the age of 21 should be able to make the argument that they are responsible enough to drink booze. If you want to give a 9 year old a death sentence, then its you who have the problem.
- Asianwaste, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Just goes to show how much on par parenting could prevent so many of society's monsters.
The mom has had numerous occasions where she's suspected of child neglect since 1994. Yet somehow never got the clue that she is not parenting material and for some reason 2 years ago, had another kid which was neglected and killed by another neglected child of hers.
I'm not saying that circumstances should convict people but sure would love this to be an exception. The mother should be just as guilty. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I have to agree with the folks who have stated that leaving 12 kids with a 15 year old baby sitter is neglect. You guys say a 9 year old isnt responsible - a 15 year old is only 6 years older than the 9 year old - and has the humongous responsibility of TWELVE children. THAT, my friends is neglect on the parents if there ever was such a thing. I have TWO kids, and am mid thirties.... theres no way in hell I could manage 12. The kid needs psych help (and probably all the other kids as well), but the parents should be in jail.
- bdrydyk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3The point is that because of his age it is possible, even probable, that clinical treatment could help him develop into a normal adult. A 9 year old's brain is still a very malleable organ.
However, the most important step would probably be to remove into the care of a reasonable family, and adequate foster parents are incredibly rare. - ArchonSG, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Its easy to point fingers or to say that the kid's just 9, but the sad truth is that a child that age should by then know what is right and what is wrong. There is no question in my mind that the kid has serious issues, perhaps because his parents didn't taught him better or he just had a mean streak in him.
Just like kids pulling wings and legs off insects, kicking a puppy, tie binding wire around a kitten's tail and other mean stuff against a helpless victim, except here, the victim is another human being.
Bottom line is, at some point, we have to step in and draw the line.
The legal system is already screwed up, the way things work, that kid could have murdered his whole family and then do a number of an act by bringing a tearful face into court screaming hysterically " I am an orphan!" and he'd get the sympathy vote and be judged not guilty.
If anyone of you who think that the kid didn't do something wrong because he's "just a kid" you really should think twice about that statement. What it says is that just by being a kid, that child cannot be held accountable for any action he takes.
And that's what's really Fracked up in my opinion. - Rickler, on 10/12/2007, -7/+10The mother/father(s) are at fault here and should be sent to jail and sterilized.
- thcobbs, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4It may be partially her fault... but you know what?
The 9 year old STABBED the 2 year old.
What do you have to say about the 9 YEAR OLD... or course it CAN'T be his fault.... - juicyj, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5The ones fcuked up here are the ones that voice for killing a 9 year old. It scares the hell out of me.
- chilekillr, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Wait, tag isn't allowed but stabbing other children is perfectly fine?
- VolatileWhimsy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2rheaume, I wont disagree that what the child did was completely wrong. But a 9 year old child does not have the control say an 18 year old or the capability of understanding the implications.
This child should be in a mental hospital. And the workers are just covering their ass since they should have removed those children along time ago..
"According to police, the boy's mother, who has at least 13 children, was elsewhere."
"Authorities said caseworkers have been to the house eight times since 1994. They were there to investigate allegations that the woman's children were neglected, not fed, or living in filth." - btgoss, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3It is the parents who had problems with "impulse control."
As a parent, and mostly a liberal... I say these people should be sterilized, and the children removed from their care.... (of course I understand that is not a guarantee of safety, but the chance of a normal life for those children is better then the assured destruction that they will suffer in that home...) - Ghstfce, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2To cdlavalle (as well as everyone):
"I feel for the family of the child that was lost and I also feel for the family of the nine year old. What happened was tragic but these knee jerk responses of protect everyone at all costs scares me more than any single senseless killing ever could."
They are the SAME family, didn't you RTFA? The woman has a total of 13 kids, and the 9 year old one stabbed the 2 year old one. Feeling for the family of the victim includes the 9 year old and feeling for the 9 year old's family is feeling for the dead 2 year old. Even if they didn't have the same father, they are still related. - akzidenzgrotesk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@cdlavalle
honestly, i think the difference should be in "was the act malicious" and not in the age of the perpetrator. if someone is killed out of negligence, sure, take the age and inexperience of the offender into account. but everyone KNOWS that killing someone else is wrong, from the age we're able to communicate with each other onward. since he stabbed his sister, and didnt just drop her on her head or accidently push her down the stairs or something, he should certainly be punished. im not sure how exactly (maybe institutionalized for life... i know we dont like that idea here in america, but some people really should be kept away from the rest of society).
and if he didnt know that stabbing his sister (twice!) would probably result in her death, then that's a whole new bag of worms. institutionalization is probably the only answer to that one too, because if you dont understand THAT by the time you're 9, then you're probably never going to, and there's nothing anyone can do about it. - VolatileWhimsy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Well, children do have a problem with impluse control. But this is just horrible.. :(
- Hedgefox, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Damned videogames, it's always their fault!
The 9 years old obviously wanted to... uuuh... emulate Dr. Styles in Trauma Center! - Liam76, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@ cdlavalle
Did you just compare throwing rocks at a frog to stabbing a two year old multiple times with a knife?
I don't know what to do with this kid, but he does bear some responsibility. What do you think is going to happen to him if you have a bunch of shrinks coddling him for the next few years, do you think he will change his behavior or blame his parents/babysitter/upbringing like the shrinks will? - jpsucks3999, on 10/12/2007, -0/+213 kids left with a 15 year old and if the story is correct, living in squaller where the authorities are called in repeatedly for apparent neglect? It's the mother (parents? I don't see mention of a father) that needs to be prosecuted. Negligent parenting is probably far more to blame than the 9 year old, who is more likely a victim in this affair. Unfortunately, it's impossible to go back and spay her BEFORE she had her litter(s) and probably unlikely that authorities will be able to do anything beyond possibly taking control of her current brood. If they do take the kids, they end up in questionable foster care and mom starts popping out replacements. Rinse and repeat.
- Karyyk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"...the woman's children were neglected, not fed, or living in filth."
And why did this sorry excuse for a human being even have these kids? You want someone to blame, there's your culprit. Someone who breeds for no other reason apparently than to get government kickbacks. Hey, it's an unpopular sentiment, but someone needs to say it. How many kids end up badly due to filth like this woman (not to mention however many "daddies" her kids have)?
Also note the language...AT LEAST 13 kids...they're not even sure if there are more than the 13 accounted for. Sad...sad and disgusting...and we the taxpayers get to pay for it. I'll say this, if you're going to tax me to take care of uncared for children, at least do it right. Take them away from parents like this so that 1) they'll actually be fed and cared for and 2) so I know the money is actually going to their care, not just to perpetuate lifestyles of filth like this. Oh yeah, I'll throw in a 3) feel free to tax me of another $100 a year if you can guarantee me that it will go towards sterilizing people like this. - exipolar, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2would it really be neglect if you had to watch the other 11 as well.
- LavaHot, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2God, I'm having a Dexter flashback. This is some ***** up *****!
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