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96 Students Arrested in Massive Drug Raid at San Diego State

foxnews.com — Theda Ki Makes Its mark with guns / drugs / Etc

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  • marc54, on 05/07/2008, -3/+32Send Lawyers, Guns, and Money, ***** has hit the fan!
    • ganjadude4391, on 05/07/2008, -22/+17the only winners will be the lawyers, the losers are the tax payers and the students, who now have no shot at a real life, and in turn will resort to worse illegal activities based on statistics anyway

      ***** the illegal DEA
      • joebaloney, on 05/07/2008, -5/+26They knew what risk they were taking when they bought guns and drugs in large quantities. I don't know about you, but I don't want people with guns and mafia ties on my campus.
        • MaynardJK, on 05/07/2008, -5/+14If drugs were legal, there would be no money in them for organized crime.
        • unknownsoldierX, on 05/07/2008, -12/+6Yeah, but you heard ganjadude4391. They will just "resort to worse illegal activities", so they should just let them go! They're victims of the system. The government made them turn to crime!
          • ganjadude4391, on 05/07/2008, -0/+2no misrerad what I meant

            By it being illegal, and now them having records they will be more likely to resort to other crimes

            its all due to the fact that its illegal, thats it
        • MagMarCat, on 05/07/2008, -4/+2You are correct, and if drugs were legal Darwinism would take effect and idiots would be wiped off the face of the earth. The best part is government could tax drugs and make enough money to lower taxes for the general public.
          Unfortunately, while we are waiting for them to kill themselves they will lose their jobs due to addiction, have no money to pay for the more expensive drugs that the government has added taxes to, and then they will start a life a crime to pay for their fix. So do we really solve any problems by legalizing them??
      • Joeyrev, on 05/07/2008, -2/+25Listen, I understand the whole "marijuana should be legal" argument, but we're talking about much stronger and dangerous drugs in large quantities; not to mention gang ties and guns. I agree with joebaloney, you want to sell some pot, that's cool with me, but don't ***** bring a gun onto my campus.
        • lnf69, on 05/07/2008, -5/+4If consumption, production and distribution were not illegal, there would be no "criminal elements" involved. Therefore no guns, no gang ties.
        • WilliamDavis, on 05/07/2008, -3/+4"Listen, I understand the whole "marijuana should be legal" argument, but we're talking about much stronger and dangerous drugs in large quantities"

          Hospitals have "much stronger and dangerous drugs in large quantities" If that's the actual problem, then we need to take down these hospitals ASAP.
          • MagMarCat, on 05/07/2008, -1/+3You belong in a mental hospital if you actually think that is a valid argument. Hospitals are not shooting people that don't pay their "drug bills". You are comparing two TOTALLY different things you Nut-job!
      • sponeil, on 05/07/2008, -10/+5Sorry, but as a taxpayer who was recently a college student and is now a parent, I won big on this one. There aren't many illegal activities worse than selling hard drugs (pot is not a hard drug, but drugs like cocaine and meth are).

        I sincerely hope you never get to decide what is legal and what is not. The way I see it, people who don't have kids, who have too many kids, or who don't care properly for their kids, should not be allowed to vote or hold any kind of public office. It has nothing to do with discrimination, but with the simple fact that our children and grandchildren will have to put up with the mess we make. (And IMO, anyone having too many kids is making a mess.)

        f*** the dumbass ganjadude4391
        • Schda, on 05/07/2008, -0/+2Sorry I accidently voted you up. I agree with your first paragraph and dugg you up for it, then I read your second paragraph and immediately regretted it. Everyone should have a say in what is legal or not it shouldn't be dependant on your social status, marital status, financial status, parent status, etc.
      • wicketr, on 05/07/2008, -5/+4Did you even RTFA? I'm pretty sure the person who has no shot at a real life is the person who died last year due to a drug overdose.

        "The undercover sting was spawned by the drug-overdose death of a college student last year."
        • WilliamDavis, on 05/07/2008, -1/+3Right, because no law enforcement agencies cared about drugs before that. How many people overdosed and died from OTC drugs last year? Did those deaths garner the same response?
          • ganjadude4391, on 05/07/2008, -0/+1because its the dealers fault that the user does not know how to handle himself?

            1 od does not mean they are selling bad product, and selling bad product means you will have no more customers

            so i blame the user who od'd for his own death

            on the other hand if it was regulated, you could find the info more easily on what a "normal" level of use would be, and you would be less likely to OD

            NOT to mention that precription drugs cause more deaths than ALL illegal drugs a year
    • yuanzhoulu, on 05/07/2008, -10/+2imho they should issue all the students big fines. that way the students feel the impact, have a shot at life, and now the country has a bunch more money that they can use to research alternative energy or some other good purpose.
      • Jaablaze, on 05/07/2008, -5/+9what?! This is not a slap on the hand offense. Lock them up!!!
        • yuanzhoulu, on 05/07/2008, -6/+0sure. in many countries of the world they'd receive the death penalty. i wouldn't give a damn if they got that (as long as proved guilty) because i don't do drugs.

          drug user students though don't make the world that much unsafer, generally speaking, so locking them up doesn't really help me that much (whereas a locked up murderer makes the world safer). fitting the punishment to the crime, jail isn't the right thing. jail time should be given ONLY to those who commit human crimes and are a risk to people. a BIG fine should be given for crimes related to money and things when human crimes are not involved. i'm talking BIG. and with a percentage-of-income piece for a LONG time.
          • ganjadude4391, on 05/07/2008, -0/+1except for your first sentence I somewhat agree with you

            meaning that IF it HAS to be illegal (and it does not) than fines are the way to go, not jail
      • bovilexia, on 05/07/2008, -1/+3oh no. those poor, poor students. pushing drugs all over campus, knowingly breaking the law. such a shame that someones life can be ruined over something they didn't have to do in the first place. if you can't deal with the consequences of the action don't do it. doesn't matter if you think the law is bogus or not, if you break the law, you better plan to do the time. i'd love to see some go, hey mr. judge that law is bullsh*t, can i go home now?
      • logan074, on 05/07/2008, -0/+1Coke, meth, guns, and gangs should be punished a little more severely than a fine.
    • jarvis400, on 05/07/2008, -0/+6...dad get me out of this!
    • unicronband, on 05/07/2008, -0/+2Dugg for Warren Zevon.
    • Greengoo, on 05/07/2008, -1/+1How was I to know she was with the Russians too?
    • Azurensis, on 05/07/2008, -0/+4I wonder how many business majors are in this group?
  • synystar, on 05/07/2008, -0/+71"The DEA said a member of the Theta Chi fraternity sent out a mass text message to his "faithful customers" stating that he and his "associates" would be unable to sell cocaine while they were in Las Vegas over one weekend." Yeah...that's smart. File this under dumbass.
    • unicronband, on 05/07/2008, -4/+48Sup brahs. No yay this weekend, I'm in Vegas at the OAR show. ***** was SO cash! Just washed down an oxycotin with some Natural Light, about to rape some chicks! YEAH!

      Stay Alpha
      • DteK, on 05/07/2008, -0/+9just as I imagined it went down.
        certified idiots
      • BeforeSputnik, on 05/07/2008, -2/+21It's Natty Light. No one actually calls it Natural LIght.
        • DteK, on 05/07/2008, -1/+4Nasty Light and Nasty Ice
        • Chompy, on 05/07/2008, -0/+9Thanks for the tip, Chad.
        • csw1342, on 05/07/2008, -0/+4Except for the people smart enough not to drink that garbage.
      • Haroshia, on 05/07/2008, -0/+10Brucie?
  • darnedsocks, on 05/07/2008, -56/+6LOOKS LIKE THE FRAT BRATS JUST FOUND OUT THEY ARE NOT ABOVE THE LAW. VERY SAD LESSON TO LEARN. TOO BAD THEY DIDN'T LEARN THIS LESSON BEFORE THEY TURNED 18....NOW THEY WILL HAVE A FELONY ON A PUBLIC RECORD. THEIR FUTURE DOWN THE TUBES. VERY, VERY SAD! SOUNDS LIKE THE COPS DID A GREAT JOB AND WERE "ON TOP" OF THE SITUATION!
    • souljaboytellem, on 05/07/2008, -3/+31That little light in the middle means your caps lock is on
    • hitmanjc103, on 05/07/2008, -1/+11Check out his other comments...hes not afraid to hit the caps lock.
    • itsthebrod, on 05/07/2008, -2/+17Hello block list.
    • Abomonog, on 05/07/2008, -1/+6Troll!
    • mnky9800n, on 05/07/2008, -1/+5My eyes are ringing.
    • Revolution101, on 05/07/2008, -4/+2CALM THE ***** DOWN!
    • AmnioticEntity, on 05/07/2008, -3/+5someone narc'd - probobly was scared of his parents finding out he got busted with a dime bag and might get probate - OH NOEZ!...do the crime, do the time, don't ***** roll on anyone, especially someone that supplies to hundreds of kids - u just ***** up a lot of kids having a really good time.
    • anillop, on 05/07/2008, -2/+4Awwww someone is upset they never get invited to any parties.
    • Handonam, on 05/10/2008, -0/+2this guy lives a life of capslock
  • SwedishNinja, on 05/07/2008, -3/+14ANIMAL HOOOUUUSSSSSEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    • sgtbutterscotch, on 05/07/2008, -2/+24ROBOT HOOOOOOOUUUUUUSSSSSSEEEEEEE!!!!!!
      • unicronband, on 05/07/2008, -4/+17MIL HOOOOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUSSSSSSSSSSEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!
        • Dested, on 05/07/2008, -8/+2is not a meme...
        • robbiemuffin, on 05/07/2008, -2/+6mmm... you must be new here. hi, and welcome to the internet. to your left, we have porn. to your right, art on select mythological dieties, like the orly owl...
  • ohpiddle, on 05/07/2008, -33/+3Isn't it wonderful that University professors teach hate for America, School teachers are having affairs with their students and now University students are learning to run an enterprising business on campus. This is the education that Steven King is all for. The best part of this is your tax dollars are paying the way. Is this the same University that didn't want the military to put recruiting stations on campus? Is it the same University that marches to freedom of speech? Who's looking out for the smuck that pays for all of this? When is someone going to enforce policy or even morals?
    • itsthebrod, on 05/07/2008, -3/+9You're one of those rednecks who's against university educations because of those "damn liberal professors" aren't you? Please, your arguments suck at best.
    • Spottswood, on 05/07/2008, -0/+9In soviet russia, retarded simpleton bury and block you!
    • pauldy, on 05/07/2008, -9/+1You forget the majority of diggers are living on these campuses thus the massive burying even though your point is valid.
    • csw1342, on 05/07/2008, -0/+3Yeah, we all just cant wait till they start enforcing morals.
  • Roryking, on 05/07/2008, -10/+36I've looked and looked, and I've yet to get a straight answer. Why do people join fraternities/sororities?
    • justinx0r, on 05/07/2008, -5/+40To have fun, drink a lot, and have socials with other sororities?
      • FearisFailure, on 05/07/2008, -11/+14 They have to buy their friends because they lack the social skills.
      • anillop, on 05/07/2008, -6/+3Yeah that must be it. Tell you self what ever you need to when your siting in your dorm on another Saturday night playing cards while other people are out with friends and getting laid.
        • oscenester, on 05/12/2008, -0/+1WTF? I do that every weekend. and I'd never join an f'ing frat. Carbon copy losers...haha. Get a life...
    • plizard, on 05/07/2008, -1/+18because sororities have awesome lesbian initations
    • markbrown, on 05/07/2008, -10/+5I'll tell you one thing, the answer definitely won't be STRAIGHT, if you catch my drift.
    • itsthebrod, on 05/07/2008, -7/+15To be whores and drink their livers to death. Oh, and you forgot about the date rape. Lots and lots of date rape.
    • Royall, on 05/07/2008, -5/+7I think the obvious answer here is to get easy access to shrooms and weed. Boy, now I feel like I really missed out by not joining my local Theta Chi chapter. Then again, I don't think I'd enjoy tripping around a bunch of meathead frat boys, either.
    • MaynardJK, on 05/07/2008, -7/+2To buy some friends.
      Edit: damn, Fearisfailure beat me to it.
    • mistatwista, on 05/07/2008, -10/+17There's many reasons for joining including the leadership experience, connections through alumni, good resume builder, the whole housing situation. Unfortunately some houses do revolve around drinking and partying and this is what brings the negative connotation of the stereotypical frat.

      With that said, I don't buy my friends...I would still be friends with all of them if I weren't an active member, and many of us have the same mutual friends who are not brothers. I get offended when people call my house a frat house, because that's not what we're about. And I get extremely angered when fraternities participates in activities like the ones in the article because that's what creates these stereotypes
      • Chompy, on 05/07/2008, -10/+11Resume builder? Are you kidding? I wouldn't want to work at a company where frat membership has anything to do with whether or not I get a job.
        • mxmj, on 05/07/2008, -6/+2Good luck finding that, membership in a frat can help get your foot in the door at virtually any mid-large sized company.
          • Chompy, on 05/07/2008, -3/+7I, uh.. did. How would you even list that on a resume? "Paid for friends at college, engaged in multiple keggers, date-raped 15 women 2002-2006"?
          • MagMarCat, on 05/07/2008, -6/+1Read through the bios of some of the biggest CEOs and VPs of companies. I bet you will find that the majority were members of fraternities or sororities, and that Greek tie can open a lot of doors.
            Or, sit at home on your computer bashing a bunch of people you don't know. That level of maturity will look wonderful on a resume.
          • biotch, on 05/09/2008, -0/+1lol mxmj you have a bit to learn about the public's understanding of frat culture.
            and MagMarCat... bashing frats here doesnt mean we dont know people from frats
        • pauldy, on 05/07/2008, -4/+2Enjoy your tenure at McDonalds.
        • Boshow, on 05/07/2008, -4/+4Looks like you'll never be president.
        • MagMarCat, on 05/07/2008, -2/+3BTW - Barack Obama is a Kappa (Kappa Alpha Psi) the all black fraternity.
        • mistatwista, on 05/07/2008, -3/+1College kids love to drink. It doesn't matter if they are in a fraternity or not. I doubt any person in their right mind puts anything about the beer they drank.
          Because of my membership in my fraternity I can tell companies that I am familiar with Roberts rules of order, have run business meetings, I can list off the numerous programs I have implemented within my house. I can show that I'm not just any regular joe employee, I have leadership experience and drive and can show companies long run potential.
          Along with all of those things I know how to properly solicit money from companies, and various governing bodies. I have organized various events on campus....I could go on and on with all the experience I have gained, so why wouldn't a company want to hire me.
          ...and I'm a CS student

          I wouldn't want to work for a company where they blatantly ignored qualifications
          • SydBarrett420, on 05/08/2008, -0/+3Fag
          • biotch, on 05/09/2008, -0/+1sorry mistatwista but running "business meetings" about how many kegs to purchase for the sat. night "wear what you drink" party in a frat is a far cry from actually running a business meeting at a company. And going to the AS council to request academic funding is a far cry from investor relations. In the real world people wont drop a dime on you unless you supply a competitively worthwhile service or true investment potential. Schools are willing to drop money on any student group that shows a desire for leadership. Those are two drastically different things. You dont have to be in a frat to accomplish the credentials you listed. And in fact, if you do it outside a frat without blind financial support, its a far superior "resume builder".
      • capainter, on 05/07/2008, -2/+3What kind of nerd frat are you in?
      • gooberguy, on 05/07/2008, -2/+1ok
      • madgamer, on 05/07/2008, -2/+2so you were in lambda lambda lambda too?
        • biotch, on 05/10/2008, -0/+1hahah
          hey! blasphemy!
          That infamous panty raid was an execution of sheer genius
    • hokie47, on 05/07/2008, -4/+17I had a great time in my fraternity. Most of the guys who join are already friends with either one of the pledges or one of the brothers. For the most part it is just a large group of friends that have socials, party's, and do some community service and fundraising. My best man at my wedding 3 weeks ago was a fraternity brother, and I still fly up and visit my fraternity during alumni weekends. It is not for everyone, but please don’t be a blanket hater of them.

      The only thing the digg nation hates more than Hillary is fraternities.
      • NJank, on 05/07/2008, -8/+2stereotype implies a generally incorrect or oversimplified assertion. I believe you were looking for the work exception and forgot to apply it to your experience of frat life instead of frat life as a whole.
        • hokie47, on 05/07/2008, -2/+4What? I had a good time. I know others in other fraternities that had a good time too.
      • pauldy, on 05/07/2008, -2/+6Frats are way down on the list. I think right now its something like the President, the Country, the Vice President, Big Business, Religion, and somewhere way down the list past Ron Paul, past Hillary is fraternities.
    • Haroshia, on 05/07/2008, -0/+13I joined for the cheap housing and the LAN parties...

      ...I had a really geeky frat.
    • Bridea, on 05/07/2008, -1/+6I joined for the networking and business opportunities.
      There's no easy money like Fraternity/Sorority parties when you're a DJ and promoter.
      • oscenester, on 05/12/2008, -0/+1Thinking with your pocketbook at least...
    • ronaldravin, on 05/07/2008, -2/+1You didn't actually read the story, did you?
    • sbassoli, on 05/07/2008, -2/+0Where else can you learn to build a wicked beer bong, bra?
    • DteK, on 05/07/2008, -2/+2unlimited access to sniffle snacks
      • Midtowner, on 05/07/2008, -5/+1Rory, people join fraternities for a lot of reasons. Fraternities are about as diverse as you can imagine. Sure, there are 'roid pumping coke snorting testosterone-fest fraternities (i.e., douches), but most are just regular guys. I joined initially because I saw a fraternity as a way to open a lot of doors -- a way to be instantly plugged into a network that would benefit me after I finished college. In other words, my initial reason for joining was for professional reasons.

        What I got was a whole lot more. I was able to hold a lot of leadership positions in the fraternity. I gained valuable experience having the opportunity to sit on various committees, become intimately familiar with the professional meeting setting, running programs, managing large budgets, teaching, training, solving problems, etc. I joined a group which strongly emphasized treating members of the opposite sex with dignity and respect. We emphasized values above all else. We didn't and don't participate in any form of hazing whatsoever.

        Also, though my fraternity, I met a great group of guys who are my friends now and always will be, not to mention my wife.

        I was one of those guys who you'd probably have said "fraternity life is not for him" back when I joined. Had I not joined, I don't think I would have otherwise had the opportunity to develop the social skills and leadership abilities that I have today. Maybe it's not something that's for everyone, but I think a lot of folks are dismissive of the whole fraternity scene without really knowing what it has to offer.

        If any of you are in college and don't think it's for you, give it a shot. Go through rush, if you see something you like, join. If not, then at least you can say you made an intelligent decision after evaluating all of the facts rather than making an uninformed decision based upon stereotypes and rumors.
        • kingramstone, on 05/20/2008, -0/+0Very well put. This is the most coherent argument I have seen on this page, considering the majority of people posting here have never had any experience whatsoever with Greek life.
          My fraternity (a Theta Chi chapter in California) is obviously under the microscope, as are most of our CA chapters, but the difference is that we don't harbor drugs, shotguns and money in our organization. The pros easily outweigh the cons. Not every fraternity brother is a helpless, drug-addicted, date-raping screw-up. If you don't believe me, go to one rush event, as Midtowner stated, and then you can slander the Greek lifestyle all you want. Until then, you only appear ignorant.
    • rmxz, on 05/07/2008, -1/+2Some fraternities have incredibly large files of exams & answers; which makes for easy cheating with lazy professors who re-use test questions. Some people join for that reason. Other people join because they enjoy the feeling of being in an elitist clique.
    • SeanEarley, on 05/07/2008, -3/+0Says the guy who didn't get a bid anywhere...
      • KompressorV12, on 05/07/2008, -3/+1HAHAHA, I was thinking the exact same thing

        I love my fraternity, I can't believe I came to college thinking I wasn't going to join
    • GOVStooge, on 05/09/2008, -0/+1it's called a slush fund...
  • jonesin, on 05/07/2008, -28/+26More lives flushed down the drain by these immoral drug laws that allow violent armed men to lock away our nations children in cages for simply taking part in the fundamentals of capitalism. What a shame. What happened to our country that it's gotten to this?
    • Evildudetx, on 05/07/2008, -10/+26Immoral drug laws? Somehow I think morals would tell you to NOT do drugs, or sell them, or have anything to do with drug cartels.
      • spidur1, on 05/07/2008, -10/+7What is immoral about doing drugs? If you are not harming someone else what is wrong with it? What's the point of spending our tax dollars to arrest people, build prisons and destroy lives? People will still use drugs, it is nonsense. Oh thank you government for protecting me from the evil weed. My life would be so much better if I were in jail instead of high!
        • Joeyrev, on 05/07/2008, -1/+10"Drugs including cocaine, ecstasy, marijuana and methamphetamines were confiscated in the sting"...sounds like a little more than the evil weed to me.
        • ThoughtfulWi, on 05/07/2008, -4/+10If you buy drugs, you are supporting drug cartels. Cartels create a lot of misery for people in Latin, and South America. So if you buy drugs, you are supporting entities responsible for terrorizing innocent people. Hence the immorality of buying drugs. I believe drugs should be legal, and the DEA and the War on Drugs should be abolished. But until that happens, people should be aware of the far reaching consequences of supporting drug cartels.
          • PhantomRogue, on 05/07/2008, -5/+6And by you going to walmart and buying the lead laced Chinese manufactured products, you are infact supporting the 'atrocities' against Tibet.
            Look mom, I can make outrageous associations too!
          • Jb611, on 05/07/2008, -3/+6What if your dealer is local and he grows his own?
          • ThoughtfulWi, on 05/08/2008, -1/+1I don't buy anything at walmart, and I don't think your association is outrageous.
          • jonesin, on 05/08/2008, -0/+3That's funny, my friends buy drugs in amsterdam all the time. In a shop, where responsible adults make their own choices about what to do with their own bodies, without terrorizing anyone or hurting anyone.
            Seems to me the only time people get hurt is when drugs are outlawed, because either way folks are gonna get high. Do you want to see the money go to legitimate businessmen, or to violent cartels?
          • oscenester, on 05/12/2008, -0/+1I vote violent cartels. We need more movies like scarface based on real life experiences with drugs
      • dent42, on 05/07/2008, -1/+2/sarcasm
        • robbiemuffin, on 05/07/2008, -1/+2thank you I somehow missed that.. was about to post how the OP had a completely inane POV, only to find that the first comment in here is even worse.. :)
      • Azurensis, on 05/07/2008, -1/+3If drugs were legal, there wouldn't be 'drug cartels'. Not any more than Miller and Busch are cartels, anyway.
      • jonstafari, on 05/07/2008, -1/+3sorry. you're wrong. two issues here; morals and drug laws. i'm sure our morals differ just as much as our views on drug laws. albeit those kids were putting out dangerous work, i wont deny that - its nice to read some of that ***** is off the shelves. but stating that you're morally ill by doing drugs is just wont cut it anymore. i morally believe altering your mind-state in any way is NOT the way to go through life....i'm telling you this as I sip my coffee, which i bought from my local latino store, which gets their coffee from columbia. and yes, i'd sale my coffee if i werent too busy consuming it.... see, see how funny that sounds?

        can you honestly say our current drug laws, policies and social statuses are morally supporting its people for any good?
    • Abomonog, on 05/07/2008, -5/+3The sale of Marijuana represents the last vestiges of free trade in America. -Sgt. Stadenko
    • cawpin, on 05/07/2008, -1/+6Yeah, immoral drug laws are to blame. I'm pretty sure the line is before a text message to announce cocaine.
    • insertAliasHere, on 05/07/2008, -2/+8"In addition to large quantities of narcotics, money and weapons were also seized from sellers and buyers in the bust."
      "..weapons were also seized from sellers..."
      Are these the "violent armed men" you are referring to? Of course not. It's those damn cops, oppressing us by arresting people with illegal weapons and large quantities of hard drugs.
      • TsuruchiBrian, on 05/07/2008, -1/+4If drugs were legal, you would just get them from the pharmacy, and the armed drug dealers would be out of a job. Furthermore shooting people is already crime. If they actually use their guns to shoot people, then there is plenty of cause to send them to jail without any drug related charges,.
    • wigginz, on 05/07/2008, -1/+4I only came here looking for an idiot comment blaming the government for ruining these kids lives. Kinda sad that I found it less than 10 comments in.
  • fr3ddie, on 05/07/2008, -7/+21Cant we all just smoke a bong?
    • an0nflux, on 05/07/2008, -8/+2*Can't we all just, get a bong?
    • Vodd9, on 05/07/2008, -3/+2I don't have one :(
    • oscenester, on 05/12/2008, -0/+1I need to...someone dropped mine =[ it was beautiful white acrylic with lime green skulls. my BOD "Bong of Death". I miss him...
  • trp5023, on 05/07/2008, -1/+61The really ironic part of this? Theta Chi is a nationally dry fraternity that doesn't allow alcohol on their property.
  • souljaboytellem, on 05/07/2008, -11/+11What happened to the good 'ol days when frat boys just got into trouble for doing pantie raids on fraternities
    • mcphatty, on 05/07/2008, -2/+15don't you mean sororities?
    • Evildudetx, on 05/07/2008, -0/+14Pantie raids are done on Sororities, not other frat houses.....unless these are gay fraternities.
    • komzik, on 05/07/2008, -2/+1What gay college did you go to? Pantie raids on fraternities? Don't you mean sororities? Never new guys in frats wore panties...unless it was yours. :)
    • Abomonog, on 05/07/2008, -0/+12The panty raids became a sex crime. Safer to deal drugs.
    • lordmetroid, on 05/07/2008, -3/+2panty raids would actually involve theft. Selling a product even if it is a mind altering substance is less immoral than panty raids.
    • Griberal, on 05/07/2008, -1/+1By chance, did you go to college in San Francisco?
  • nwoantibody, on 05/07/2008, -24/+10more lives ruined
    and not by the drugs, but by the system; yes the industrialized private corporation prisons.
    I hope you know they'll be sent to prison to work for companies who own the prisons, then charge the government for keeping them there, which we pay with taxes, and then their 50cents/full day of work, comes to our store shelves and we have to compete with people being paid 50cents/day on the workforce.

    Thank you War on Drugs, you've successfully made the bankers our masters.
  • mlevinq, on 05/07/2008, -9/+15I couldn't help but think of The Wire when I read this story. This bust, while looking fairly big and sexy in the news, is probably pretty small potatoes. The DEA needs to go after the real perpetrators of drug trafficking.
    • MaverickSmooth, on 05/07/2008, -0/+8You are right. 2 kilo's of coke is nothing compared to what's coming into the country everyday.
    • cawpin, on 05/07/2008, -0/+10"The DEA needs to go after the real perpetrators of drug trafficking."

      You mean like a guy that send out a massive text message saying he has cocaine to deal? Yeah, done.
      • NJank, on 05/07/2008, -3/+2this is a demonstration of properly prioritizing tasks. high up the effort list: years of work to bring down billion dollar drug importation efforts. farther down the list: stop by the corner market to pick up milk and eggs. Farther down the list: spend a few minutes busting the moron sending text messages.
    • robbiemuffin, on 05/07/2008, -0/+9near 100 people is not small potatoes. guns are not small potatoes (at least, not unlicensed ones, they didn't specify).
    • mxmj, on 05/07/2008, -1/+7This is how the DEA works, they start by arresting the very lowest on the chain, and hope that enough people roll on the next up that they can build a case.
    • XtheXlanternX, on 05/07/2008, -0/+3I don't even mess with drugs anymore, but I'm pretty sure I could get my hands on 2 kilos within a week or two... these are very small potatoes.
    • TsuruchiBrian, on 05/07/2008, -1/+3Or they could just eliminate the jobs of all violent drug dealers by simply making drugs legal.
      • oscenester, on 05/12/2008, -0/+1Word to your momma! I like your style man.
  • rmmcclay, on 05/07/2008, -16/+17BFD...drugs. Just legalize them and stop the sensationalistic nonsense.
    • komzik, on 05/07/2008, -9/+4Exactly, drugs and alcohol have been campus staples since at least the 1950's. Brown and Root runs the prisons (Division of Halliburton)...I guess Cheney and friends love the "war on drugs" and are probably involved in the importation program from Afghanistan.
    • boonesfarm, on 05/07/2008, -2/+6Legalize cocaine?
      • sat0shi, on 05/07/2008, -3/+4*****, why not? *****, GUNS are legal... You tell me which are more dangerous.
        • boonesfarm, on 05/07/2008, -0/+3Depends on who has the gun. In the hands of a cocaine user, the gun probably is more more dangerous. Guns are effectively used every day without being fired. Trust me, I'm not a gun nut, but I'm pretty sure there are no doctors that rationalize effective use of cocaine.
          • TsuruchiBrian, on 05/08/2008, -0/+1It doesn't matter if cocaine is dangerous.
            Freedom means being able to make your own choices. Do you really want to live in a country where doctors or the government get to tell you what is for your own good?

            Maybe potato chips should be illegal. They cause obesity and heart disease. Maybe alcohol should be illegal. It ruins many people's lives.
            Maybe information that is bad should be illegal. Maybe if we ban the writings of mass murderers people will not be able to repeat what they did.
            Maybe being non-Christian should be illegal. It would be terrible if we could save these people from going to hell through encouragement of laws but didn't.
      • TsuruchiBrian, on 05/07/2008, -1/+1YES!
  • AncientWeird, on 05/07/2008, -10/+1It's over 90!!!!!!!!!!!
  • FearisFailure, on 05/07/2008, -4/+18Mom, Dad please send me more money for this semester...
    • mciampa1214, on 05/07/2008, -3/+7yeah the coke price just went way up!
  • markbrown, on 05/07/2008, -16/+5Watch out guys, the source is Fox News -- which means it was obviously liberalism that lead to these 96 students doing drugs. If only they listened to Rush Limbaugh, everything in their lives would be fine.
  • normalkid0615, on 05/07/2008, -13/+5Theta Chi in Philly sells MADDDD dope. so did my fraternity in the past. the university takes a blind eye towards these things. imagine how many of those kids parents are CEO's?
    • cawpin, on 05/07/2008, -2/+8"the university takes a blind eye towards these things"

      Riiiiight, sure they do.
    • doritostapatio, on 05/07/2008, -4/+3^^ Rat
    • TheRob, on 05/07/2008, -0/+5i don't hang around the frats on campus (i go to sdsu) but from what i heard yesterday. Theta Chi never got in trouble for drinking or drugs and they were pretty straight edge... thats what made it even funnier.
  • drewpost, on 05/07/2008, -9/+68I'm sorry but I have a very hard time yielding to the anti drug laws in this instance. This wasn't a couple of kids smoking weed in their dorm/apartment - These were criminals with guns on campus dealing hard drugs like cocaine. They didn't arrest the end users, they took out the distribution network which is doing what a lot of you want - not arresting people for having a small amount of weed on them. None of the people arrested were end users. I have NO problem with a UNIVERSITY police force wanting to remove people dealing cocaine AND possessing firearms on school property or in student housing. How would you feel if your son or daughter shared a house next to one of these frats where, if something had gone wrong (say for instance one of the many people who recieved the texts knew they had lots of drugs and cash in the house) decided to go rob them and a gun fight ensued? I wouldn't want any one I cared about anywhere near this!
    • chrispr, on 05/07/2008, -0/+5Yeah it seems like a sane method of distribution for end users would be a great idea.
      I think this is already handled in other countries..
    • lnf69, on 05/07/2008, -1/+7Stop treating drug users as criminals and the guns, gang ties, and violence all disappear in a heartbeat.
    • HeroicLife, on 05/07/2008, -1/+9"These were criminals with guns on campus dealing hard drugs like cocaine."

      They are criminals because the government passed a law that prohibits certain mutually consensual behavior between adults. They (probably) had guns because when their property is stolen, rather than protect the property rights of the victims, the government will seize their inventory, residence, and vehicles, and throw them in jail for 30 years.
    • TsuruchiBrian, on 05/07/2008, -4/+1Gun fights tend to involve plenty of felonies unrelated to drugs (like assault with a deadly weapon).
      If gang members had gun fights over cell phones should we make cell phones illegal? But then again gang members don't fight over cell phones because no one in their right mind would by a cell phone from a gang member. Just like if drugs are legal, no one buys them from gang members any more.

      Plus I think cell phones may kill more people than drugs. Every time I see someone do something stupid on the freeway they are no doubt talking on a cell phone.
      • kmesp86, on 05/07/2008, -1/+2Most likely if someone does something stupid on the freeway, they are drunk or high.
    • wishninja, on 05/07/2008, -0/+4no one wants this drug war. I believe that everyone from the dealer to the user is equally responsible for getting high but getting high should not be illegal. Cocaine is not a hard drug.
  • Varner13, on 05/07/2008, -4/+8Theda Ki? I believe it's Theta Chi.
    • ray4389, on 05/08/2008, -1/+1Both are wrong--it's Date-a-guy

      Phi Kappa Tau for life!!!
  • nj10ii, on 05/07/2008, -10/+8It say they were preying on our College students. Wrong. It's college kids doing what college kids do and have been doing, supplying the demand for the wants of other college kids.

    It's a bust, too bad kids. Welcome to the jungle. I feel for you.
  • hokie47, on 05/07/2008, -11/+10I think it is funny that if it was just a normal drug dealer that got busted you guys would be outraged, but a fraternity drug dealer. We hate them.
    • NJank, on 05/07/2008, -1/+6not funny. perfectly fitting into expected digg behavior. Frats fit up there with the Jocks who gave us swirlies after gym, still made us do their homework, and got to take the hot chicks to the prom. We're just still working off the grudge.
  • n3wtz, on 05/07/2008, -16/+8So, we're going to take 96 kids that had the grades, means, and motivation to make it to college and turn many of them into inmates, and potentially hardened criminals? Because they chose to get their buzz from weed instead of (potentially lethal) shots of everclear?
    • drewpost, on 05/07/2008, -2/+11Not all of the 96 were kids and this wasn't about some kids getting high on weed - It was the distribution for weed AND cocaine and in possession of a weapons cache in a freaking university. They didn't tuch the end users who bought the weed. Need I remind you this all started as a result of a student ODing on Cocaine!?
      • n3wtz, on 05/07/2008, -4/+5On the news conference, there were about 3 trash bags full of weed, a few bricks of coke, and like 4 guns. You're telling me that this gang of 96 kids only had 4 guns between them? Did they have a sign-out sheet or something?

        I'm not saying that there weren't crimes here, but 96 sounds like a lot of people to go down for what was probably 5 or 6 kids with the hard stuff, and 90 pot heads.

        And before you get too preachy, need I remind you how many kids die every year on campuses from alcohol poisoning?!
        • ronaldravin, on 05/07/2008, -1/+3I'd love to see what would happen if they started busting Miller, Bud, etc. every time someone ODed on their product. K Street would go bonkers and the politicians would line up to say why alcohol companies are patriotic and generous.

          Oh wait, they already tried that in the 1920s.
    • trp5023, on 05/07/2008, -1/+23No, we're going to take 96 kids that had the grades, means and motivation to make it to college but who TURNED THEMSELVES into narcotraffickers. They weren't just selling weed, they were selling Cocaine and ecstasy. I'm fine with the bud, but when you hit the powders things have gone too far.
      • Raxem, on 05/07/2008, -7/+5Why are cocaine and ecstasy bad? If used in moderation both have shown to have no long lasting adverse effects. MODERATION is the key to drugs. When used like that they are just as fine as the stuff that grows, and the trip is oh so much better.
        • ronaldravin, on 05/07/2008, -3/+2These comments (and your diggs) demonstrate why there's no hope for humanity. Even people on Digg, who you might expect to be liberal and brighter than the average bulb, can't understand the insanity of drug prohibition, yes, even for cocaine, ecstasy, and heroin. Drug laws do not stop anyone from getting the drugs and cause far more harm than the drugs themselves, compared to responsible use. And before you tell me that cocaine can cause death and that's why this bust happened, well cigarettes and alcohol do too and they're legal. Do they have any idea how many students die of alcohol poisoning? It's total hypocrisy. Prohibition leads to neither responsible use nor reduced use. We already made this mistake with alcohol and still, nobody can see we're repeating history with drug prohibition.
    • capainter, on 05/07/2008, -1/+1Presumably some of the 96 had to be end users, or it was a huge network.
    • logan074, on 05/07/2008, -0/+1I like how you emphasize weed which is the smallest of their offenses. I have no problem with weed but a meth and gun combination sends you to jail in my book.
  • doritostapatio, on 05/07/2008, -10/+5San Diego has the best weed in the US, look at those sweet nugs.
  • Abomonog, on 05/07/2008, -1/+11What makes this so ironic is that the police were probably tipped off by the illegal aliens who deal pot across the street on 12th and Broadway.

    People got too cocky and they got busted. California is probably the easiest state deal in. You're just not a local police priority in most of the state. But if you're doing enough business to get the DEA to quit raiding the compassion clubs you don't send mass text messages about cocaine deals and you certainly screen your customers before you sell to them.
    • doritostapatio, on 05/07/2008, -9/+0Yea blame the Mexicans for their stupidity.
  • freedombob, on 05/07/2008, -15/+2wow. cops should be looking for mexains that steel our tax money and murders, not kids that get ***** up and stare at the wall for a few hours, those kids don't cause any crime!?!
    • Twohooves, on 05/07/2008, -0/+9ENGLISH, *****. DO YOU SPEAK IT?
      • lnf69, on 05/07/2008, -0/+2I dugg you up, because all xenophobes should at least know their own language, no?
    • sagat, on 05/07/2008, -1/+6Those kids are drug dealers not innocent junkies. Read the fuking story moron.
    • logan074, on 05/07/2008, -0/+0What the hell is a mexain? And from what i've seen meth does a little more than make you stare at a wall.
  • dstz, on 05/07/2008, -4/+3"The DEA needs to go after the real perpetrators of drug trafficking."

    Then it's some governments, and the puritans. Without our recent worldwide US led prohibition (through the UN) there is no reason for "drug trafficking". It's just commerce.
    • DteK, on 05/07/2008, -1/+1uh, 2 keys of sniffle snacks, guns, 60K in cash. I would say they are the real perps here.
  • DteK, on 05/07/2008, -1/+9im betting there was more than 2 kilos of yay. They only "found" 2 kilos.
    • wishninja, on 05/07/2008, -0/+2they (reported) they found 2 kilos they other 2 was split between them at the cop frat.
    • WaxenPith, on 05/07/2008, -0/+2Stretch out the coca like a wrestler yes sir.
  • robbiemuffin, on 05/07/2008, -2/+17of course they're gonna get busted. the names of the damn frats are Theta Chi (THC) and Phi Cappa Psi (PCP)

    ;)
    • Marinium, on 05/07/2008, -0/+0Awesome
    • Helloween2008, on 05/07/2008, -0/+1Phi Kappa Psi (PKP?) ---

      but i saw where you were going with the joke. "A" for effort, though.
  • lordmetroid, on 05/07/2008, -9/+2*****! Any raid on a campus for drugs and it would only leave the school with a handful of students left.
  • trp5023, on 05/07/2008, -10/+32I spent about ten minutes writing a rant in this box, and I decided not to post it.
    I want to talk to you like adults. If you think the war on drugs ruined these kids lives, you're right. After all, the war on murder kind of ruins the lives of those who take the lives of others. These ADULTS (College men aren't children, sorry to burst your bubble), made a conscious decision to prey on their classmates and peers. They did so in a remarkably cavalier way, sending text messages, keeping lots of product on hand with cash and guns, and generally being ignorant.
    I have no problem with the four pounds of weed. Weed never hurt anyone. Cocaine and Ecstasy get less sympathy from me. Those are dangerous substances. People die from cocaine and ecstasy abuse. Those kids put many many lives at risk.

    So, no. The law didn't ruin their lives. They ruined their lives when they thought they were above the consequences.

    Sorry for sounding like an angry dad.
    • queondatavo, on 05/07/2008, -0/+9There have been a few deaths because of cocaine overdose at SDSU in the past few years.
    • ronaldravin, on 05/07/2008, -3/+7And people don't die from alcohol abuse?
    • scubajim, on 05/07/2008, -4/+5Unfortunately most Digg users are ignorant to the effects of drug addiction on the addict and the people the addict is around. Any drug, this includes alcohol, can become addictive and cause others pain.
    • Rojahon, on 05/07/2008, -2/+10There is a big difference between a blatantly aggressive act like murder and selling someone a substance in voluntary trade. I find the view that non-violent trade can justify violence against the traders to be quite offensive.

      I by no means advocate the use of drugs (I don't even drink alcohol), but just because drugs can be hazardous to the user's health doesn't mean that the seller is at fault. The purchaser is at fault so long as the exchange is truly voluntary.

      I could buy tons of toxic substances from my local Wal-Mart, but my resulting death from consuming those substances does not put Wal-Mart at fault. And, the intended use of a substance has no bearing on the issue. It might make drug dealers sleazy, but it doesn't make them aggressors.
      • wishninja, on 05/07/2008, -0/+6no ***** this guy thinks it is logical to compare someone selling drugs to their friends to murder? Doesn't every user needs a dealer. I would bet the frat welcomed these guys in because of their drug connections. How is there room between the user being innocent and a person with a connection is committing murder? There is this silly and outrageous idea that drug dealers are always lurking around playgrounds not taking no for an answer. It just isn't the case they are there because people want them there and the blatant way they were selling the drugs shows they were openly accepted in the community.
    • lnf69, on 05/07/2008, -1/+5first off thanks for not ranting and thanks for inviting some discourse.
      I'm against prohibition of all kinds. If what you do to yourself does not hurt anyone else, then why should it be a crime?
      Also treating drug users (addicts or not) as criminals will never solve any problems that drug use causes.
      Drug use, like many, many other (legal) activities can be very dangerous, even lethal.
      When someone's drug use cause harm to others, (by driving under the influence, for example,) then I believe that criminal offense should come into play.
      But if some one wants to ruin their own lives by using drugs, let them. If they want help, then let's take all the left over money from the previously canceled War on Drugs, and spend it on finding and developing ways that help ppl fight addiction.

      If we did this, the prisons would be much less crowded. Organized crime would shrink to satisfy prostitution, gambling, and usury. (Decriminalize those things and organized crime would disappear) .
      This is a brief description of MHO about prohibition and why it is hurting our country much more than excessive use of any drugs would.
    • HeroicLife, on 05/07/2008, -0/+4Whether or not it is moral, just because the government passed a law that prohibits certain mutually consensual behavior between adults, doesn't make it just. The purpose of government is to protect people's rights, not to treat people live slaves that it controls "for their own good."

      Rather than protect the property rights of the victims of the raid, the government will seize their inventory, residence, and vehicles, and throw them in jail for 30 years.
    • TsuruchiBrian, on 05/07/2008, -0/+6The people buying cocaine and ecstasy are ADULTS also. By placing the blame on the drug dealers you are saying "ADULTS are not capable of deciding nor are they responsible for what to put in their own bodies." When we get into this mentality, you are not free to drink alcohol because you want to, you are allowed to (for the time being) by the government. No where in the constitution does it give the government the authority to make drugs illegal. That is why in the 20's the government had to pass a constitutional amendment to criminalize alcohol, and another repealing prohibition.

      We can also now be searched by means of wiretapping without a court issued warrant. The fact that the government seems to be able to just make laws in clear violation of the constitution with no apparent outrage from the pubic is a sign that our rights are being TAKEN from us. Even if you think drugs SHOULD be illegal, the way in which it is being made illegal should concern you. Even the lawmakers have no respect for the rule of law.
    • Raxem, on 05/07/2008, -0/+3LOL!!!!! People don't die from ecstasy overdose. They die because they're retarded. MDMA will not kill anyone, not drinking water (or drinking too much water) is what kills people who take ex. Do some research. Ecstasy Rising. A 60 minutes special on Ex. They could not find one thing that should have made ecstasy illegal other than FAKE tests scientists did where they gave monkeys meth instead of ex.
    • wishninja, on 05/07/2008, -0/+2Another person willing to legislate from their high and mighty perch to judge for me what substance I should or should not use. You have based your findings on how dangerous x and coke is on your DARE training? End The Drug War Now!
  • testastretta, on 05/07/2008, -0/+17A quote from one of the kids who was arrested:

    'A criminal justice major was arrested on suspicion of possession of cocaine. As he was being arrested, he asked officers if this would hurt his chances for a law enforcement career, officials said.'

    Increasingly, imagining what the US will be like in twenty years is frightening.
    • Pishposh30, on 05/07/2008, -1/+8I smell a future undercover agent.
    • cadmiumpaint, on 05/07/2008, -0/+3the Marines will still take him.
    • TsuruchiBrian, on 05/07/2008, -0/+1I am not a "criminal justice major" but even I know that "suspicion of possession of cocaine" is not something that can legally be used to discriminate against someone especially for a government job. What happened to "presumption of innocence"?

      Also if drug laws, which are unconstitutional, are ever recognized as being such, all drug possession and many drug selling convictions will more than likely be erased.

      Wishful thinking? Is it any more wishful than waiting for the day we get habeas corpus back and start prosecuting government officials for warrantless wiretaps? I am much less scared of Islamic terrorism (which is still scary) than living in a police state.
      • korvan504521, on 05/08/2008, -0/+2yeah, but once "suspicion" becomes "conviction" things change.
    • Helloween2008, on 05/07/2008, -0/+1more frightening are the crooked cops CURRENTLY in law enforcement (i.e. the recent Philadelphia beat-down)....
    • isaactwito, on 05/07/2008, -0/+1Yeah, send him to jail, we don't want another Bush.
  • Pancake, on 05/07/2008, -6/+19I am a brother of Theta Chi Fraternity and woke up to this post with disbelief. I will not try to defend these guys. They are no brothers of mine. It is part of our national rules to not to be involved with illegal substances in any way and because of this, their chapter will be removed from our national roster. As for the brothers I know and all chapters I have talked to, I can tell you this. We have a dry policy that is enforced, we do not haze, and proudly avoid the "animal house" antics as much as possible. As for the brothers I know, we are not stupid save for a few and hate the word "frat" in all cases.

    I know I'll probably be railed on this post but I couldn't sit back and let our name become tarnished by some idiots who don't deserve to represent me and my brothers. And I do understand that there are some people out there who hate all Greek life - understandably so (I agree that many Greek events and actions can be shallow and pointless). I would just like some people that there are some Greeks who are not the stereotype and are trying to change the culture. Thanks for listening.

    Marcus
    • drpcken, on 05/07/2008, -6/+5Can you score me some?
    • trp5023, on 05/07/2008, -3/+1Respect. I know how that goes, I'm a Phi Delt alum. Stay Classy Theta Chi. Seems like the GDIs never grew up. This isn't a problem with the fraternity system, this is a problem with those specific guys. Don't let folks get you down.
    • XtheXlanternX, on 05/07/2008, -0/+4I got ***** out of my mind many many times at the Theta Chi house where I went to college. Nice bit of guys who know how to have a good time.
    • Midtowner, on 05/07/2008, -0/+2I share trp5023's sentiments. I'm a Sigma Nu alumnus. I've actually advised j-boards who dismissed members, in one case, a national award winner for illicit drug use. This is not something which fraternities will tolerate in their membership. Look for Theta Chi to complete a full investigation and boot everyone who was in the know.
    • TsuruchiBrian, on 05/07/2008, -2/+6Fraternities are dumb.
      If this never happened, these guys WOULD be your brothers? You've never even met them!

      I could understand having a connection with another person if you belonged to the same organization if that organization HAD A PURPOSE. If you were in the military or the police force or the peace corps or something you could say that you are fighting for a common cause as other people in your group. You could say "We both fought to defend our country" or "We both tried to end world hunger, poverty, etc". But when you are in a college frat all you can say is "That guy lived in the house I did but before me" or "The buildings we lived in had the same Letters on the outside"

      Fraternities are a social club for people who suck at making friends. It's like an arranged marriage but for your friends. What kind of loser has his friends assigned to him? What's even more stupid is how many of these fraternities are based on race or ethnicity. Not only are your friends chosen for you when you join a frat, but the frat you join is chosen by the way you look. College fraternities are the epitome of conformity.

      • spwpi10, on 05/07/2008, -2/+2Being in a fraternity is something you can't understand looking in from the outside and something you can't explain to someone on the outside once you have joined, assuming you join a respectable chapter that follows their ideals, morals, and ethics.
        I'm a brother of Lambda Chi Alpha and it is by far the best decision I have ever made. Every time I see a brother from another chapter or an almnus I can easily walk up to that person and I instantly have a connection with them and could talk to them for hours after just meeting them.
        You don't understand and I don't expect you too. It's just an amazing thing that has affected my life in a profound way and given me a strong set of ideals to live by. We do have a purpose, it's to become better people.
      • oxinthebox, on 05/07/2008, -3/+1Well put spwpi10. How about you tell us what groups you're a member of TsuruchiBrian and let us sit here and rail on you about how much they suck. You have no clue what a group is about unless you're part of it. That goes for every single group out there, fraternities included.

        Tell me that you used to be in a fraternity and that they treated you bad, hazed you or did something else disrespectful to you. If you could tell me that I'd undestand and wouldn't fault you at all for what you said. Otherwise your opinion is immature and worthless.
        • spwpi10, on 05/08/2008, -1/+2My chapter doesn't haze. Our main goal is academics and community service. We believe in becoming better people by helping out the community around us, I don't see how that's a bad thing.
          Sure we have our fun but that's how life should be lived. We're just a bunch of engineers from WPI (small technical school), my schools Greek system is much different than most so I can understand why people would have different opinions about everything, but in the end we're just a group of people who come together around common ideals and goals.
          I never said other groups are bad or anything, I think secret societies and most anything where people who have something in common can join together for some purpose or another is a good thing.
          • TsuruchiBrian, on 05/08/2008, -0/+2* Loyalty:Bear true faith and allegiance to Lambda Chi Alpha, your chapter, and your brothers.
            * Duty:Fulfill all your obligations from associate member and ritual oaths.
            * Respect:Treat people as they should be treated.
            * Service and Stewardship:Put the welfare of Lambda Chi Alpha, your chapter, and your brothers before your own. Know that as a brother you hold something of value in trust for others.
            * Honor:Live all our values and be an honorable man.
            * Integrity:Do what is right all of the time — walk the walk.
            * Personal Courage:Demonstrate the courage of your convictions.

            This sounds like a cult. I am sure it's not really a cult, but honestly whats with all the rituals and oaths of allegiance. Respect other people, but put the welfare of your brothers above your own welfare? Do you really believe this stuff or is it just something you pretend to follow?

            Would you really put the welfare of your "brother" above your own? Even if he is a complete stranger? Would you be more likely to help a "brother" more than a "non-brother"? Why or why not? If so, is it because you promised to, or because you really believe it is important to help people in your fraternity above other people?

            I belong to a few clubs and have a few different groups of friends. I don't need to do rituals. I don't have to swear an oath of fealty to my secret club. In short, non of the official or unofficial groups I belong to require you to abide by a new moral code to be in it. I am not saying having a moral code is bad, but there are only 2 possibilities. Either the code is so general that everyone should follow it anyway without vowing to uphold it, or they expect you to change your values to conform to this new set of values.

            I don't understand why a bunch of people with common interests can't just hang out together. Why is it necessary to espouse virtues on to people and force them into being a contrived family? I understand why you need to do stuff like that when you are trying to create a secret society to keep the da vinci code a secret or whatever, but if all you guys do is study together and help poor people, it just seems like you could do that with out all the hocus pocus secert traditional ritual *****.
          • spwpi10, on 05/08/2008, -0/+2Ritualism is what bonds everyone in a fraternity together. That's basically all i'm going to say about the rituals.
            The wikipedia entry you are referring to has it somewhat wrong, I did a quick search on the internet and that's the only place I found those definitions.
            The way they are defined here implies that we have to serve Lambda Chi Alpha completely blindly and shun everyone else which is simply not true. The three that imply these the most are Loyalty, Duty, and Service and Stewardship.
            The way my chapter teaches this is not as self centered as these definitions, we teach that one must be loyal to not only his chapter and fraternity, but to his nation, family, school, and friends. We teach you have a Duty to serve your chapter and fulfill your obligations, but more importantly we teach you have a duty to serve your community and strive to become a better man. Service and stewardship follows with the last two, as a member of your chapter you have obligations to uphold such as keep the house clean and pick up after yourself. But again, more importantly as a citizen and family member you have other obligations which you should always strive to fulfill.
            I honestly don't care if you don't like the ritualistic side of things, it's something sacred to brother's which we hold very dear to us. A true brother doesn't look at this as just another club either, to me it's something completely life changing, something which gave me a solid foundation of values which I can base my life around and a place where other people do the same thing and that brings me very close to them and they will be my best friends for the rest of my life.
            Furthermore, look at more successful institutions which have been around for much longer. Freemasons don't even have the academic part of their organization, they are a secret society which currently focuses on community service and a place to network with other people. Fraternities are just like that, it's great to have a place where you know so many people and since you share a common bond it is a great networking tool.
            It really is hard to describe, but I do feel a connection with random strangers I meet that happen to be brothers. I can't tell you why I feel that connection, but i do, and it's a great thing. It is exactly why we have rituals and traditions and it would not be as strong of an organization without it. Read this, it does a pretty good job explaining why Fraternities have rituals:
            http://www.pks.org/ritual.shtml

            So to sum everything up: We don't teach that you need to hold the welfare of your brother's before everyone else. We teach that you have many obligations which all need to be respected. We use each other as resources in academics and later on in life in careers. But most importantly, when we say we will always help a brother and care for the welfare of a brother, it means that if any one of my close brothers (Current undergraduate or alumni brother's in my chapter) were to call me right now and tell me something terrible like their father died, I would get on the next flight to wherever I had to go to be there for him. It's not that i'm putting the welfare of a brother before my own or someone else for no reason, it's that we can count on each other at any time because we develop and maintain such strong bonds.
          • spwpi10, on 05/08/2008, -0/+2Sorry, one thing I forgot.
            Right now I am a community adviser (kind of like an orientation leader at most schools but we help the freshmen out for a semester and just just the first week or two).
            I am also a tour guide on my campus. I used to consider myself a republican but now i'm not too sure. In high school I was a part of various clubs like national honor society. I plan on joining a bunch of honors societies next year when I am eligible.
            I do a lot around campus and I have a lot of friends.
            I love my friends and I too consider them all good people. However, it's because of the bond I have with my brother's I know I will remain friends with them for the rest of my life and will be there to support them for years to come and I cannot say that about most of my other friends who will inevitably grow apart from me as we graduate and move on with our lives. There will be non-brother's that I am close with most likely, but there will be many many more brothers.
          • TsuruchiBrian, on 05/08/2008, -0/+2If the Wikipedia entry is wrong, I would suggest that you correct it.

            I realize that you have a strong bond with your frat brothers, but what I am saying is that it is a contrived bond. You really could have forged that bond with just about anyone. You chose in a sense to to restrict forging this bond to primarily with people who joined the same group. I don't really see what the point of doing that is. Why not pick a better criteria like "people you get along with" or "people you find interesting".

            Let me ask you this question. Think of some people in your fraternity you are close friends with. Could your friendship with them be as strong if they were not a member of your fraternity? If so, did you even really need a fraternity to form these friendships? Wouldn't you have just formed different but equally fulfilling friendships had you been in a different frat or not in a frat at all? Or do you think the frat gives you something you didn't already have?
          • spwpi10, on 05/08/2008, -0/+1I could not form the same bond with any of my brothers without the fraternity. I can and do form strong bonds with people outside of my fraternity. A fraternity bond isn't a friendship. I don't like every single one of my brothers in my house, I wouldn't be friends with them outside of the house. However, we have a common bond that we share and that is why I call them my brothers, I would help them outwhenever they needed it. If it were possible to make the same bonds that are made in a fraternity outside of a fraternity, they wouldn't exist. The whole point is that it offers a new type of relationship you can't get anywhere else.
            So..... I'll answer every single answer directly.
            1) My relationship to them would not be as strong if they were outside of the house.
            2) For my best friends that I meet through my chapter, I would normally be friends with them outside of the house and do not need the house to actually make the friendship. However, the point of the fraternity is not to make friends.
            3) If I had not joined Lambda Chi my relationships with these people would not be the same at all.
            4) Lambda Chi absolutely gives me something I didn't have before.

            I know that you don't believe me or want to believe me, and that's fine. Most people don't. I am just sticking up for what I believe in, i'm defending somethimng which has impacted my life in so many different ways I can say that I am an entirely different person now than before I joined and I am a better person because of my fraternity and brothers.
            The whole point i'm trying to make with this discussion is just because you don't agree with something or understand it, doesn't mean you have to call the whole thing stupid or look down on people that belong to that organization. Don't steoreotype fraternities, some of them suck really bad and do stupid ***** but those are the chapters that just don't get it. Other chapters really care about helping each other become better people and following a solid set of ideals which help them lead a more productive and meaningful life, and what's so bad about that?
            The difference between someone who cares about his relationships and bonds he forms through his fraternity and someone who went through a ***** house is that some people, when they get old and have careers tell their friends, "Yeah I was in a fraternity when I was in school", the people that get it say, "Yeah I am in a fraternity".
        • TsuruchiBrian, on 05/08/2008, -0/+3Never been hazed. Never hazed anyone else. Never been in a fraternity. Never tried to be in a fraternity.

          I am currently a member of the Republican Party. I joined to vote for Ron Paul. I really don't like other Republicans too much. In truth I really don't even like most other Ron Paul supporters. (they can be a bit crazy). I used to be a registered Libertarian, but I never went to any meetings or anything.

          I belong to an informal philosophy club, where we just hang out and talk about philosophical stuff. I am good friends with some people in it, and some other people not.

          I have a few friends from high school and college and my work that I hang out with on a regular basis. I have never had to vow to uphold a set of virtues or give an oath of allegiance as a precondition for being friends with any of the people I am friends with. I can say with reasonable confidence that all of my friends are good people. But I would not be that shocked if any Republicans or Libertarians turned out to be drug dealing serial killers, as I don't know any of those people very well. They are NOT my "brothers".
          • Midtowner, on 05/08/2008, -2/+1A fraternity is different than a club in other respects though. In my case, I was part of a fraternity that strove (and still strives) to attain success on campus in every respect -- sports, politics, general level of activity, etc.

            Unlike a club, which in my time in undergrad, I belonged to the Student Senate (was Judicary Committee Chair and a member of Rules), I was in PRSSA, Circle K International, Orchestra, Chamber Orchestra, I played in a band and anchored and reported for the school's TV station (which is broadcast on the city's cable network) and probably some other stuff I'm forgetting. I was VERY active and held leadership positions in almost everything I did. None of them, however, apart from the job I did, held me accountable or expected me to hold them accountable like my fraternity. We all strove for mutual benefit. When I volunteered to be the Senator for a group I was already a member of, my brothers who were already in leadership positions got me appointed to a high-level leadership position. I had a political constituency that had my back from the get-go.

            I was able to be effective there because I had learned meeting management and leadership skills as a result of being in the fraternity which I never would have learned in orchestra or anchoring a school-run news broadcast. I still use those skills today when serving in organizations and on a board of directors for a non-profit organization.

            The values aspect of my organization was pretty simple -- love, honor, truth. Three virtues which you don't have to really swear loyalty to. If you're not a person who just automatically believes in those things, you're probably a douchebag anyhow. We did our best to hold ourselves and each other to a higher standard. We also treated women with dignity and respect -- have you ever seen 40 guys stand up to show respect to a female as she enters the room? I have.

            We support each other, we support the school, we seek out good men and we make them better men. We are close for four years and offer a lifetime of fellowship. I don't really see how anyone could be critical of that.

            -- I also voted for Ron Paul, btw :-)
          • TsuruchiBrian, on 05/08/2008, -0/+2@Midtowner
            Since you are a Ron Paul supporter I feel a mild camaraderie with you :)

            How do 40 guys show respect to a woman? Have 40 guys falling over each other opening doors and laying down jackets by her feet? Whatever it is, who decided this was the correct way to show your respect? Was this respect genuine or was it coerced?
            Also I didn't know treating women with dignity and respect was such an elusive goal.

            I guess my view is that human beings already have an innate tendency towards conformity and mob mentality. I think what we need a bit more of is people thinking for themselves. People will naturally turn into leaders and followers if left alone. It is already hardwired into our brains. What individuality, logic, and reason gives us is the ability to determine when our leaders are crap.
          • Midtowner, on 05/08/2008, -1/+1The respect is that we teach these guys to respect women. Too often, kids these days come to college and no one has taught them how to properly treat a lady. Kids don't know proper manners. We teach them that. Social graces are important for leading successful professional lives. Treating women with dignity, for many, is something which never occurred to them. Browse /b/ sometime if you doubt that.

            As far as who decided that was the way to show respect, it's tradition. The practice goes a long ways back, but as is often said, chivalry is dead -- it's just not dead with everyone. We don't coerce people to act in a certain way, but I can tell you that being regarded by sororities as being in an organization which encourages its members to behave as gentlemen is a good feeling -- and sometimes, tradition for the sake of tradition isn't a bad thing.

            My experience doesn't speak to mob mentality whatsoever, although I'm sure that's the case in some places. Sometimes, it took several hours worth of meetings to reach one simple decision. Everyone had their own beliefs and as a group, we had to learn to compromise and create collaborative solutions. As far as attracting leaders vs. followers, maybe we draw from a different pool. Our recruiting efforts focus primarily on incoming freshmen who already have a track record of leadership. Our group is known for its leadership and campus involvement. Our new member education program is basically a semester-long leadership workshop (it's more than that, but that's the meat of it).

            My chapter, in its 6 years of existence has produced some pretty amazing people. From TV anchorman to religious scholars to law students (I'll be the first law school graduate, although there are a few behind me), to up til recently, an advisor to the Speaker of the House of the Kosovar parliament. We have men of various racial, ethnic and national backgrounds, different sexual orientations, all that jazz. The fraternity of today is hardly a bunch of hooded/robed white boys ceremoniously paddling each other while chanting creeds. We've adapted and, at least in my opinion, we've become relevant for the 21st century.

            Like I said, if you're in college, check out rush next fall. You might be really surprised what you find. It's pretty clear that you're more of a leader than a follower, well, a fraternity could make you an even better leader.
    • kilo199, on 05/09/2008, -0/+1I went to a few fraternity houses and it was fun drinking and stuff...but I couldn't afford the dues what with paying rent, school and other stuff..There would be no way I could afford the coke and x too...man where did they get the money to deal that much weight?
  • sonicomega, on 05/07/2008, -6/+2cant have the custys OD'ing. its bad for business. You guys should have passed out instructions with the product for the noob Hunter S. Thompson
  • dantseytlin, on 05/07/2008, -1/+8as a member of this organization (at a different school) i'm shocked and chagrined. This news truly disrespects the name of Theta Chi. I know I won't change anyone's opinion about fraternity life but there truly are decent organizations.

    You don't join a fraternity to buy friends anymore than you join a club or sports team to buy friends. Theta Chi has defined my college experience because of the quality gentleman that represent our chapter. What have we accomplished? Scholastic achievement, community service, and strong friendship bonds.

    I'm hopeful that one day fraternities internationally begin to exemplify what it means to be a brotherhood of gentlemen. Maybe we will cease to have such a bad name to the public. Steven Spielberg is a Theta Chi... back me up on this steve!
    • queondatavo, on 05/07/2008, -7/+3Go to SDSU to see the pathetic quality of the brothers you talk about.
      • dantseytlin, on 05/07/2008, -0/+6did you read my comment? i'm not condoning their actions. what they did is wrong. i just don't see why i should be guilty by association on this if i know my chapter has a good head on its shoulders.
        • queondatavo, on 05/07/2008, -0/+2Yes, I read your comment and it was not my intention to judge you personally.

          The brothers I refer to are the ones in SDSU. The Greek community here has certainly built up a bad reputation be it by the use of drugs, constant accusations of rape, problems with alcohol, or problems with practicing unsafe sex and getting us the name STDSU.

          I certainly hope fraternities are not like this all over the US. This is just what I have seen here.
    • Midtowner, on 05/07/2008, -0/+1From a Sigma Nu, condolences. This must really feel like a betrayal. We all work hard to put the stereotypical "frat boy" image behind us. Unfortunately, it only takes a small handful of brothers to set us back.
    • TsuruchiBrian, on 05/07/2008, -1/+4Your fraternity sounds completely meaningless and a little gay. If you want to be associated with Steven Speilberg merely for having lived in a building with the same letters on the die then you have to be associated with violent drug dealers as well.

      Being able to chose who are and are not your friends is what regular people get to do. You are in a fraternity which means that you agreed to have your friends assigned to you. Sorry.
      • ray4389, on 05/08/2008, -0/+1Dude the bust happened and it didn't hurt your name--it will just keep attracting the same assholes you let in.
      • kilo199, on 05/09/2008, -0/+0How do they afford to pay for the dues, fees, coke,x, and pot, and school?...did they get grants for coke?
  • queondatavo, on 05/07/2008, -2/+6GO AZTECS!! Way to go in worsening our school reputation!

    TOP 10 party school in the U.S. according to Playboy. It' true!
  • TheRob, on 05/07/2008, -0/+3when i was in class yesterday the news was just filtering through and everyone was laughing at them... i don't know any of them and i know only one person who actually knows one of the guys at the top.
  • Griberal, on 05/07/2008, -4/+4Didn't Obama make an unusual amount of campaign stops at San Diego State will he was campaigning in California? I guess we now know why. /sniff
  • suttercain, on 05/07/2008, -8/+6DEA: Ruining Lives Since 1973.
  • FearFactory, on 05/07/2008, -4/+5If you can't do the time, don't do the crime.
    • lnf69, on 05/07/2008, -1/+2Baretta!
    • Marinium, on 05/07/2008, -0/+2Man! Now the Barretta theme song will be in my head all day......
  • kball75, on 05/07/2008, -1/+5They should drop those drugs off at my house. I'll take good care of them.
  • cadmiumpaint, on 05/07/2008, -0/+5those frat boys will have LOTS of fun in prison.
  • lnf69, on 05/07/2008, -2/+4Reality is for those who can't handle drugs!
  • username484767, on 05/07/2008, -2/+3so their futures are ruined cause of the ***** feds?
  • siktath, on 05/07/2008, -2/+1Political prisoners.
    String them up so that the slaves will know not to live aside from how their masters want!
  • bovilexia, on 05/07/2008, -1/+6land of the free my butt. if i can't have 500lbs of marry jane, 75 kilos of coke, 2000 hits of X, and a .50 BMG so i can protect my stash, then tell me again how i am free? i feel like the slaves did back in the day.
  • republicker, on 05/07/2008, -0/+4I like turtles
  • captainchris, on 05/07/2008, -3/+2I fully support legalizing weed, but you can't be apologetic with these people. they had weapons, made tons of money they don't deserve and had connection to dangerous gangs.
  • libby1987, on 05/07/2008, -0/+3if only I had been on campus at this time...the hilarity of watching fraternities be raided by the DEA would have been undeniable
  • bigballerrob22, on 05/07/2008, -1/+2hahah I go to SDSU. Theta Chi is like the LAMEST fraternity on campus...a bunch of weird ass creeper guys. and to think they were the ones distributing the coke and X on campus...hahahaha. anyways...like 7 other fraternities here got busted...lucky mine, Sigma Chi didn't.
  • MacVenom, on 05/07/2008, -3/+2I am a brother of Theta Chi Fraternity. I think it is terrible what these drug dealers have done. They tarnished our name. However, my chapter is a complete dry house. We kicked out a member for having alcohol in the house.
    Our Theta Chi chapter was started as a light on campus and to build men of integrity (and still does that today). I have grown so much not only as a leader, but as a man because of my brothers at Theta Chi.
    Just because one person does something bad, doesn't mean everyone from that organization is bad.
    Even beyond that, our house has weekly prayer meetings and a Bible group 5 days a week. We are Theta Chi.
    • sgvprelude, on 05/07/2008, -1/+2Sorry, no matter how many positive things you guys did or will do, Theta Chi will forever now be known as drug dealers
    • KompressorV12, on 05/07/2008, -1/+0doesn't sound like a house I want to join :)
    • ray4389, on 05/08/2008, -2/+1No matter how good you try to be, you still joined Theta Chi and you will always be Theta Chi.

      Now if you joined Phi Kappa Tau, you would always be better than a Date-a-guy.
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