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- Coven, on 10/12/2007, -4/+97oh phooey! when i was their age I had to walk FIFTEEN miles in the snow to school. Uphill! BOTH WAYS!
- Koray, on 10/12/2007, -15/+86Not to be a dick, but I rode NYC public buses to school all through school. He won't have to pay for the bus (students get student fare cards), the area he lives in is very safe, and the new buses are all very clean and very comfortable with air and heat.
A lot of people outside of new york hear "7 year old alone on a city bus" and think it's outrageous, but in reality all kids ride the buses at the age. It's part of growing up there. - cameron074, on 10/12/2007, -6/+51this is ri-god damn-diculous. saw it on the news last night. parents were goin nuts, can't blame them.
- Coven, on 10/12/2007, -5/+49@Durka
it is apparent that the humor behind the statement has gone completely over your head - whamdanglers, on 10/12/2007, -1/+42And in our day, we had no feet.
- Coven, on 10/12/2007, -4/+43Come down to Brooklyn and say that
- edzieba, on 10/12/2007, -2/+34Right. I had to get up in the morning at ten o'clock at night, half an hour before I went to bed, eat a lump of cold poison, work twenty-nine hours a day down mill, and pay mill owner for permission to come to work, and when we got home, our Dad would kill us, and dance about on our graves singing "Hallelujah."
But you try and tell the young people today that... and they won't believe ya - LogicBomB, on 10/12/2007, -3/+28Koray - I ride busses every day as I do not have a car, they are NO place for a lone 7 year old. It's not that the busses are clean, it's the people on the bus, the traffic, and crossing the roads. I've been on a crouded bus in the middle of winter - as a 23 year old I barely make it out the door on some trips.
Another situation where taxes aren't cut but services are. - MCMookie, on 10/12/2007, -2/+20dugg for "I'd rather sell drugs on the corner."
- ModernTenshi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14That's not the point you moron. He has to cross a busy street, and take three city busses to get to school, and apparently will still not get to school on time, or very close to the start of classes. Yeah, that makes sense.
Here's your sign . . . . - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14You'd almost think the school board WANTED bad publicity.
- LesbianHam, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13He's seven.
- nosemuffen, on 10/12/2007, -4/+16@ebaumsworld
Some things are more important than money, like a future with educated people (which you are obviously not). - cblalock, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12@ coven
Grandpa, is that you? - haggie, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12Great opportunity for the parents...
1.) Kid is run over/murdered/abducted while going to school
2.) Sue school district for millions
3.) Retire - Tirial, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9The article title is kind of misleading Koray. I'm more concerned with the fact that some of those kids are officially slated to be picked up by their school buses after class has started.
- boomboxer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8@ koray
I also took the bus to school in new york when I was that age by myself --- and looking back, i can't believe it. my mom was a single mom, so I guess she didn;t have much choice (there was no school bus service at my school or at any other school I knew of). but in retropect, and noticing how tiny and fragile 7 year-olds actaully are, it definately wasn;t the safest thing to be doing. and that was only a 1-bus trip. transferring twice and spending an hour to get to school for a 7 y/o is unacceptable.
btw, is co-op city really that safe? i know it's not the wrost neighborhood out there, but it's derfinately not the best either. - AriaStar, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Kids turn into drug dealers and criminals when they don't have a quality education to have options in life, when their only way to survive is to turn to crime for the necessities because they weren't taught enough to get real jobs to support themselves. When a child is told that he or she shouldn't be educated because he or she will just grow up to a life of crime anyway, why should that child believe any different? You're creating a prophesy of failure. Educate that child, let him or her see options, maybe going away to college, and the world changes.
You're just a sick *****. My mother came from one of those families where the kids were expected to be criminals. Eight did, but one didn't, and that was the one who was forced to go to school. In retrospect I'm sure you'd say she should have been educated because she did make something of herself, and raised a daughter who went even further, but, at the time, by your way of thinking, she should have been left to rot.
But let me guess. You are rich and your kids go to private schools and you want to make sure that there is an abundance of cheap labor around for you to exploit. - merreborn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6In cities, pedestrians get hit crossing the street all the time. They're even more likely to get hit if they're 3 feet tall and have poor judgment. Kids are *terrible* at discerning how fast a car is moving.
- schabrat14, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Nah....kids today are smart...everytime I'm around a kid these days I learn something new. It's amazing! I have hope in the next generation...cant do any worse than this one ;)
and they are less dependent on their racial status also. - AriaStar, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9This is not the same world we had as children. The world is MUCH more dangerous now. What was safe for us then is not anymore. As a child I lived in Modesto, California, and it was no big deal for kids to leave their homes in the morning and play with friends, unsupervised off riding bikes, until it started to get dark and was dinnertime. Now, as an adult, I wouldn't even drive through that neighborhood alone. The times have changed. Morals and safety has declined, especially for children.
And when you add to that that a lot of kids who still do get to take the school buses aren't even going to be picked up until AFTER school starts? Sounds to me like those in charge or scheduling the buses need to learn to tell time and to learn that it goes FORWARD.
@ ilyag:
Exactly. EVERYONE takes the system, even kidnappers and molesters. This kid is supposed to just be sent out to fend for himself? Yes, there are good people who take transit, but it's a lot to ask that this kid never encounters anyone but the good ones. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -9/+15Only someone outside of New York (or an irrationally over-protective parent) could be outraged by this. The reason for that is that most people outside of major metropolitan areas think of public transportation as something that criminals and "scary black people" use to get around town. The reality in New York is that EVERYBODY uses the subways and buses. Normal people. Even children.
I personally take one bus and two subways to commute every day (to work, not school). And every day on the bus, I see at least a dozen children as young as 6 riding the bus (sometimes alone, sometimes with friends) without any problems whatsoever. Young and old take the bus, young and old take the subway, and there is never any problem.
Personally, I think a school bus is scarier. Those things are jam-packed with 50 unsupervised kids, with the only adult being the driver who's concentrating on the road. That's why you constantly hear stories about kids beating the ***** out of each other on school buses, ripping the fabric out of the seats, harassing each other. This stuff RARELY happens on city buses because there are always adults around, and kids actually BEHAVE because they realize they're in "public".
This is nonsense. - krellor, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Biking 12 miles a day for a high schooler is no big deal, but 10 miles for a first grader? That's too much. I'm all for saving money, but considering all of the problems that have cropped up from this it is obvious that they rushed this plan through and didn't spend adequate time planning it. Completely unprofessional of the school district.
- DanNZN, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Maybe I am missing something (probably) but the article said that the change was because he was slightly further than a quarter of a mile past the last school bus stop. Is the bus driver not allowing him to get on the bus? I think I would rather him walk the quarter mile than go through 3 city buses.
- alabry06, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Are you referring to Senator Sabini, who was referenced in the article? If so, had you actually paid attention to the article, you would notice he was speaking against the changes and their timing, saying they "created "unnecessary chaos" for families."
- rabidg00se, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Apparently it is. And, for some reason, so is addition. We can do this together. 10 miles A DAY. Let's work this out. 5 miles there, I think you got that part. But, here's the kicker. HE HAS TO GET HOME. Since I assume his apartment is in the same place in the afternoon as it was in the morning, there's another 5 miles. Work with me here. What's 5+5? Come on, you're close...TEN. Maybe you'd better get your bike out and go back to remedial math?
- boomboxer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5@truegodofwar
LOL, no offense, but obviously you have never been to new york city.
1. riding on the sidewalk is illegal - and even if it wasn't you wouldn;t be able to because there are too many pedestrians.
2. riding on most streets too dangerous with traffic what it is.
3. it's not an exaggeration to say that you can;t lock up your bike in new york without it being stolen by some punk kid. most locks are easily violated, and if their not, they'll will take your seat, wheels, whatever can be detached with a wrench.
plus, 5 miles is a lot to bike in the city. that's 100 city blocks. - Feodoric, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5First, read the article. They aren't hiccups, they are students being scheduled to be picked up by the bus AFTER their classes have started.
Second, I would like to foot the bill, but unfortunately the amount of my tax money that goes into the educational system is pitifully small. - stephenv, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Why would they give a crap about good or bad press? They (Board of Education) are simply government bureaucrats who have no incentive for increasing efficiency at any level (because it means more work for them).
- merreborn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Actually, this is only a story *because* part of the system has been dissolved. The system that was in place was working fine. Privatization would only make this kid's situation worse.
- OwdenBowden, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Live in the city and just about everyone is upset by this new plan. Further, the kids get a metrocard which allows them on the Bus or trains for free but the parents of these kids do not get anything so they have to pay going and coming. Very messed up and will not look good on Mr. Clean Bloomberg - or as I like to call him His *****!
- Brooks, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Now every pedophile in New York knows how to find this kid. Congratulations.
- FieldAnonymouse, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Because he's only in first grade, and I know adults who are scared to bike on city streets in Boston where the drivers are just crazy, not homicidal. Not to mention, I bike to work in the winter. Probably about the same distance. Not a pleasent experience on cold and windy mornings/evenings.
- Homunculiheaded, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4ilyag,
Maybe in NY the buses are wonderful, but you've probably never been to Boston. l live on public transportation and take a least subway and one bus each way to work, but I would never let a 7 year old ride alone, especially on the mbta buses. I remember arguing with my girlfriend that city buses really aren't that bad, the next bus we got on there was a pool of blood covering one of the seats... she won that argument. Not to mention the wide variety of drunk, just sane enough to gather bus fare oddballs that share the ride with you.
I'm sure it is different in NY (afterall just about anything is better than the MBTA) but people who are upset about this aren't simply a bunch of suburbanites who don't know what city life is like. - VeganG, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8Not that public school is much of an education.
- AriaStar, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4And, being a lot smaller, can be tougher for a driver to see.
- apetrie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Yeah, I'm sure that is everyone parents dream.
- AriaStar, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Liar. No one would expect a child to walk eight miles to school, nor would a school district limit the buses to kids over 10 miles away without an appropriate way for those closer to get to school. You probably walked eight blocks.
- apetrie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Some people like to live in cities, some don't. Some people find more work for them in cities, some don't. Its not your ***** place to tell people where they can live. If you don't like city life, stay in the suburbs or the country or wherever the hell you like.
- Grossmont, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5He just needs some instruction from this kid...
http://www.digg.com/gaming_news/Young_Boy_Steals_Car_Flies_to_Texas_to_see_Grandpa_Mom_Blames_Games - puertorico, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3thats a horrible thing for a seven year old to go through just to get an education
- Xanadude, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Better would be to fire the bottom 1,000 of those who work in NYC government. Believe me, nobody would notice, and you'd free up more than $12 a year.
- adent1066, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I just googled Villa Maria and learned it is a private Catholic elementary school. (BTW, tuition is 3600 per year). I didn't realize that NYC provided school buses to private schools. Back in the day when I was growing up in New York, the city wouldn't provide school buses to private schools. They did however provide passes for the subways & regular buses.
- orp2000, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@dafunk
You're a friggin' idiot. No one is allowed to voice objection to this unless they are willing to cough up 12 mill? Ever hear of democracy, idiot? Freedom of speech ring a bell at all, idiot? Let alone that there are much better ways to solve this problem. This was the lazy way, which is the way all politicians/bureaucrats will go if no one takes them to task (which is, by the way, what is happening here, since people aren't following your shining example). - tavisjohn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@Koray
Did you have to cross a 6 lane highway, and change busses 2 times? I doubt it.
The school is only 5 miles from school! This is pathetic, they are trying to balance the budget on the backs of students! - boomboxer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@dafunk
for what it's worth, new york is projecting a $3.9 billion surplus for fiscal year '08
http://english.people.com.cn/200701/26/eng20070126_345035.html - DreKor, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3chances are the bus driver IS stopping him from getting on. School busses have rosters for the kids that ride them, that's how they know how many busses they need. At least, that's how Los Angeles buses work, I don't know about NYC.
- merreborn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"If you'd like to foot the 12 million dollar bill (the amount of money they'll be saving) then go ahead, if not don't complain."
Thing is, they already *are*. Ever heard of property tax? Good chunk of it goes to the "Education" section of the budget.
These people are paying the city to educate their kids. They have every right to complain when the money they're paying isn't being used appropriately. - phmfthacim, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2are you kidding me?
not only does suburban sprawl hurt the environment, it has also been naturally caused by "white flight"
shut the ***** up - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Why hasn't anyone pointed this out?
"The reason for Joseph's nonsensical rerouting was that he lives ever so slightly more than a quarter-mile from the school bus stop."
Wouldn't it just be easier to walk that quarter mile and thus be able to take the school bus? -
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