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- vault, on 10/10/2007, -3/+120FTA: " If the check-out lady, who was about 40, had asked me with a twinkle in her eye perhaps I would not have been so tetchy."
Keepin' it real at age 72. - DatDudeWiggs, on 10/30/2007, -25/+89I disagree with all of you. Well, to a point. Sure it's sounds idiotic, but I worked at Albertsons for many years and we were required to i.d. EVERYONE. No matter what. I personally don't give a ***** who buys alcohol. I don't give a damn if your 16 or 70 or whatever. I don't care if your buying it for medicinal purposes or going to get drunk as *****. Just doing my job. Can't blame the person, blame to company. Albertsons hires underage people all the time to try to screw you out of your job.
- maou, on 10/10/2007, -10/+57I've refused alcohol to people older than 72 plenty of times. Company policy was to ID everyone for booze, no matter what. Sorry old man, but the unblinking eye of the camera is trained on me all night long, and I'm not about to lose my job and livelihood so you can drink a 40 of King Cobra. I didn't agree with the policy, but I had to abide by it. Bring your ID next time!
- Error601, on 10/10/2007, -1/+43Usually this happens right after someone got snagged selling to a minor and everyone is in "cover your ass" mode.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -28/+69This is the most ridiculous case of red-tape bureaucracy I've ever read. The silly supermarket staff needs some bloody common sense.
- Hellman109, on 10/10/2007, -2/+40Here in Australia, once they ask for ID you either have to show it, or be refused service. Its actually agianst the alcohol practices laws to then serve or sell them alcohol until they produce it. Same goes for entry into a Casino (been caught out once there on an impromptu night out when I was 18).
If they dont ask you dont have to show, but once you have been asked you have to show it to them or they have to refuse you service. - Stradenko, on 10/10/2007, -2/+37What you don't know about DatDudeWiggs is that he really was so incompetent that the company didn't let him think for himself.
But seriously, that's what company policies are for. They say "We understand you have judgement. Do not use it in these cases. Do what we say instead, or you'll be terminated."
I'd card a 72 year old guy if it was the difference between getting a paycheck and not getting a paycheck. - gopher043, on 10/10/2007, -0/+27apparantly you never opened the link. There is a picture of the man in question right there.
- NSMike, on 10/10/2007, -1/+24I'm not sure if this is the case in England, but in the US many states have laws that tend towards ridiculousness when enforcing ID checks. The guy could've been a government employee making sure they check for ID no matter what. Failing to do so in most US states could've cost the employee his job, and he would've been fined as well.
- bilbus, on 10/10/2007, -4/+23If the store rule is to ID everyone no matter what then thats the rule. Its to protect both the clerk and the store.
- satx, on 10/10/2007, -6/+22This happens all the time. I was with my dad a few years back at the Palace of Auburn Hills where the Pistons play. He was in his early 60s at the time. He walked up to the counter and the lady at the counter was friendly and jovial, ***** with us. He asked for a beer and her expression turned serious as a heart attack: "I need to see some ID, please." Even worse, when he showed her she tried giving him ***** because she thought at first that his license was expired (even though it wasn't). I was absolutely incredulous. This country is ***** up.
- spyrochaete, on 10/10/2007, -3/+18You think a person doesn't know a 72 year-old man when he sees one? If you work in a supermarket are you paid to think? It's store policy, and likely the law, that you have to show ID to buy alcohol. If a store clerk sells alcohol to anyone without seeing their ID they risk being fired. Chances are if you work in a supermarket you need the money. Would you act any differently in that situation?
- zoomtechtv, on 10/10/2007, -2/+16They do this all the time at Fenway Park. They do it for one reason. So no one makes a mistake. They are just covering their own ass.
- johndi, on 10/10/2007, -4/+18What discrimination? They apply their policy equally across the board. If you want alcohol then you must show ID. It would be discrimination if they broke their policy for him. I think people crying discrimination too much is killing common sense.
- XBSHX, on 10/10/2007, -0/+14Exactly, me too. There are places that hire people to come in and see if you are asking for ID or not. Would you really want to lose your job just so you could prove that you have common sense to random people?
- izzybr, on 10/10/2007, -0/+13He's still pretty fortunate. If he was in the US someone would've TASERed his ass for sure
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -2/+14Who would've known? I mean, the guy was basically walking proof-of-age.
- satx, on 10/10/2007, -7/+19Your: possessive tense of "you"
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How can anyone who's finished third grade still ***** this ***** up? - hmmdar, on 10/10/2007, -4/+14I see nothing wrong with this, when i worked in retail, things like this were not too uncommon. Yeah it was a pain in the ass for some of these people. but rules are rules.
- redfox2600, on 10/10/2007, -0/+10And some empathy. If you're under 21 and look 72 you deserve a damn drink.
- Chompy, on 10/10/2007, -0/+8Yeah man, totally! F the government! F the system! We should go fight the establishment and stuff, right after Golden Girls.
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Dude! Puff puff *pass*! - Ajajadude, on 10/10/2007, -0/+8Imagine that, someone with common sense and logic commenting!
Many places are like this. It's just easier to ask everyone for their ID than have to justify why they only ask one person, not other, blah blah blah blah. You can thank the lawyers for that. - dagr8tim, on 10/10/2007, -13/+21Dig me down if you like. But why should this guy get special treatment? The law is the law & the rules are the rules. No ID, no booze.
Besides, do the capitalistic thing. Take your money somewhere that wants it.
Why is this story even on digg? Buried as lame. - Herostratos, on 10/10/2007, -1/+8Well, in the UK they are not as hysterical about alcohol as in the US. Which is why this story makes the headlines over there.
- temsi, on 10/10/2007, -1/+8This is utter stupidity. Totally mindless.
This is a clear example of why Zero Tolerance equals Zero Thinking.
Seriously, a man who looks like your grandfather needs to be carded to buy wine? What's wrong with the people who make up these policies? - ripper365, on 10/10/2007, -1/+8While this pisses me off to no end, it's relieving to hear this happens elsewhere in the world. It's good to see that common sense has been completely ***** abandoned in more than just the US.
- noahhoward, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6Don't know how it works int he UK but we can be fired and possibly arrested for not checking ID on everyone in the US. I used to hate having to explain that stupid law to people I'd have rather just given the alcohol to and sent on their way.
- Error601, on 10/10/2007, -2/+8Wow...pulling back a 70s cliche. Isn't that double stupid? At least update your slogans.
- rviper, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6Here in Texas, alcohol laws are pretty strict. As a waiter, in order to serve alcohol I have to take a 3 hours Texas Alcohol Beverage Commission (TABC) certification class and pass. If I were to server a minor (under 21) and get caught, I would lose my license for 60 days with up to 1 night in jail and a $1,500 fine. The restaurant would also be fined and could lose their license as well. We are also supposed to ID everyone who orders alcohol. However, I think that we only have to legally ID people who look like they are under 40. If someone refused to show me their ID, I would probably refuse service too, but on that same note, I don't ID people that are clearly over the age.
- SpencerMc, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6Here in Louisiana, we have these little yellow stickers or signs on the counters at most anywhere that sells alcohol or tobacco. They say "We ID. Anyone under 30 required to show ID when purchasing alcohol/tobacco". I always thought this was incredibly moronic for obvious reasons. I once asked a clerk about it, and their response was that it was up to the discretion of the clerk to determine if someone appeared to be over 30. Still, on the whole, a pretty stupid policy.
Someone further up commented that "it could be a kid dressed up as an old man". I think it was meant facetiously, but I'm just gonna point out the scene in the first Jackass movie in which they apply professional makeup to look like geriatric old men. Pretty convincing.
Though if this is the logic behind this sort of thing, the store was being ridiculously paranoid. - Feener, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6Who the hell shops at Morrisons anyway?
- joshhan, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6What does your comment have to do anything with an event that happened in the UK?
- M2Ys4U, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6Actually, no, it's not the law. The licensing objective is to protect children from harm, which includes them drinking alcohol. As long as they are (or can can prove that they're) over 18, they have the right to purchase alcohol, provided that someone will supply it to them. In a case where it's *blatant* that someone is over 18, asking for ID is not really needed. It's just retarded store policy, not the law.
- zealeus, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6Have you ever worked in a alcohol establishment? When I was a server/bartender, I made it easy on myself bu carding everyone. And yes, I did refuse drinks to older looking people. You know why? The police intentionally sends in people who look of age to sting you. At my chain alone, 5 of the 9 restaurants got busted in one night. My uncle's been busted for serving underagers. It's not a matter of thinking for myself. It's called covering my ass. Forgoing a $5 tip once in a while is well worth the hassle of getting stung (and it's almost always a police sting that gets servers busted).
Also, I found older people LOVED it when I carded them. I could compliment them on their age and joke around gaining an extra tip that more than made up for a table's I may have lost for carding. - yutt, on 10/10/2007, -3/+8A 72 year old man getting his drink on is not worth my job. It has nothing to with being able to think for yourself. It has to do with prioritizing whether possibly losing your income is worth giving some old drunken ***** his wine.
It isn't. Ever. So shut the ***** up. - edzilla, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6Thank god I live in France, where I can buy alcohol or cigarettes without showing ID...
- tablespork, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6I blame the manager. The point of these policies is to protect the store from their cashiers making bad judgment calls. The cashier calls the manager over, and the manager should have made the judgment call.
- flagrant, on 10/10/2007, -2/+7I thought 18 was the legal age to buy alcohol in England... Is the store implementing this 21 and over policy?
- mavedatthews85, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6That is so ***** stuipd. I would've just left the money on the counter and walked out.
Would they really stop him? Even if they called the cops, he'd be gone by then anwyay. - Aldinach, on 10/10/2007, -4/+8Is this seriously an issue? How can people really be justifying this guy? Why is it not proper to ID every single person that wants to buy alcohol? Is it so much to ask for the man to reach in his back pocket and show them some ID? Is this really all this man has to do today? I mean seriously, he could have just showed his ID and gotten his drink on.
- nomadxx7, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4But that would require reading and comprehension skills. Maybe he is related to the lady or manager that asked for ID from the 72 year old.
On a side note I find it hard that one can't look at the guy and say "Yeah he's over 21" instead of "those damn underage kids will try anything to get alcohol" - XBSHX, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5I agree completely, they have signs posted that if you want to buy cigarettes or alcohol you have to provide ID.
"There was no law that stated that I HAD to provide ID"
Actually there are laws against selling alcohol or cigarettes to minors. - shortkookyllama, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4In Pennsylvania it's already like that =/. We have some of the most antiquated liquor laws. No booze in grocery stores. Hard liquor, wine, spirits, etc have to sold in a special state store, while beer has to be sold at the state beer distributer stores (why they can't be sold in the same place is honestly beyond me...) And you have to buy the beer by case, which is just irritating, You can buy six packs from liscensed places (usually pizza places) but they'll charge $10 for one just because they know they can. Damn you PA.
- NikoKun, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5Sounds like alcohol is way to over regulated in some stores... or some areas... anyway...
- griz, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4And when the guy selling the alcohol gets fired for it because it's company policy to not sell to someone who has no ID then who's the idiot?
Following company policy when there is no real harm done is not mindless. Sure, the rule is ridiculous in this sense, but when you aren't the one making
the rules, you should at least follow them when the worst harm to come from it is that some old guy doesn't get his drink. - bw007, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4The rules in the UK are that if you look under 21 you have to show ID, and this guy plainly doesn't look under 21, so it really is idiocy at it's finest. In fact, this is an example of the owners running the business how they want, contrary to the law. Admittedly they are within their rights to refuse selling the alcohol, but it's still ***** stupid.
- adooga, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4USA != WORLD
- Electric_Sheep, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Robertcamb5 is correct.
18 is the legal age to buy alcohol in the UK*, but you need to show I.D if you look under 21.
*you are legally allowed to drink at whatever age, however. - OpCzar, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4There's a difference between internal policy and LAW.
- omnithought, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5When stings are set up, they use someone who looks like they *might* be 21, not ***** 70. You won't be in any danger not carding someone with wrinkles and grey hair, for *****'s sake.
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