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- inactive, on 07/10/2009, -10/+103Cool. I wish my high school had stricter punishment for certain ***** students. Some kids make it so much worse for the rest.
- airstrike, on 07/10/2009, -4/+66FTA: "I think you have just got to be tough with kids and I think a lot of schools aren't tough enough," Mr Carl said.
That pretty much defines it. Kids nowadays get it too easy, it's time someone reminded them who's boss. Dealing with discipline and coping with frustration are two key lessons every single person should learn. - jdh24, on 07/10/2009, -10/+72When did Madam Hooch get promoted to principal??
- cyrusuncc, on 07/10/2009, -6/+58Good. Most kids get away with way too much these days.
- MMusick, on 07/10/2009, -9/+58Hey, I'm all about tough love but what's with the raccoon eyes?
- Solkre, on 07/10/2009, -0/+38653 suspensions in a school of 1321 students, with 7 all out expulsions.
No ***** that'll make a difference. - inactive, on 07/10/2009, -1/+36Kids these days are *****.
- rocknog, on 07/10/2009, -3/+32Shoot her for giving them a free vacation? This is my problem with suspensions - they only work on kids who actually give a ***** about school, and then they're not likely to be the ones causing the problems anyway.
- Yazilliclick, on 07/10/2009, -1/+28Well it's not the schools that should have to be getting tough, it's the parents. Unfortunately the same parents that don't come down on their kids at home are the same ones that make it impossible for schools to do so with lawsuits and other nonsense.
- inactive, on 07/10/2009, -0/+25Kid's are terrible these days, yes, and I agree that many of them need to be punished. What I don't agree with are zero-tolerance policies of any kind. Zero tolerance=Zero thought. Systems like this can be used to excuse unfair practices and people. Thought should always be given toward any type of punishment, and leeway should exist in order to fit individual circumstances. Humans are not "one size fits all".
- inactive, on 07/10/2009, -2/+21Back when I was in school, if you ***** up you got ***** up. I'm glad I went through that. Kids today are a bunch of whiny, self-absorbed pussies.
/get off my lawn - greenlightison, on 07/10/2009, -2/+21she looks like a Bond villan
- wittbrij, on 07/10/2009, -0/+19Aren't high school students a little old for you pedo...
- Wayfarer12, on 07/10/2009, -4/+23Quiet Thumberdale, the adults are talking. Go take your coloring book and sit over there in the corner. Or GTFO.
- knisis, on 07/10/2009, -0/+16All the better to see you with, my dear. Now your expelled!
- Rmo4, on 07/10/2009, -1/+17Whenever someone says "kids these days" or "kids nowadays", I'm immediately suspect. People act like they are somehow different than kids in the past. Pretty much every generation has said that "Kid's these days" are worse, or less respectful, or more violent, blah blah blah, regardless of whether it was in the 60's, 70', 80's, etc. Everybody thinks they were raised in a great system, and then that system became to lenient for the next generation. It's just *****. Nobody in this generation is any worse than some of the kids I grew up with.
- DonnieMarco, on 07/10/2009, -9/+24I work as a consultant in behaviour management and in my experience short-term exclusions do nothing except land someone else with the problem. It may work for nice middle-class families for whom the shame and embarrassment of exclusion will be a powerful lesson. But for many children - especially vulnerable children - they learn quickly that if they want to go home all they have to do is cause a problem. They also learn that if someone does / says something you do not agree with then the appropriate reaction is to reject that person.
The paradox then is that short-term exclusions can (and I have seen it many times) make behaviour worse over time.
It ruins the school's relationship with the parents because they may have to take time off work. I've even known parents lose their job because of their child's repeated 'soft' exclusions - resulting in real poverty. I've seen several stable foster placements break down because the child is excluded far too easily - damage that is irreparable. Parents should take responsibility for their children's actions, but not at the expense of their families health - remember it is the child misbehaving not the parent.
Schools exist in order to educate; how can they do this if they exclude so easily. Assuming 5 lessons a day of an hour each that's 3,265 hrs of education lost. Not to mention the pastoral and social development.
I'm not saying never exclude; there are certain circumstances when this is the right thing to do. Usually when it is in the child's best interest and not the school's. Dangerous pupils shouldn't have to be tolerated at all - no staff member or pupil in a mainstream school should have to live with the threat of violence.
There are alternatives to exclusion and I would be happy to outline them if anyone is interested.
Reject the behaviour not the child. - CyclonusRIP, on 07/10/2009, -0/+14653 was cool till I realized that was the year long number. I was hoping to hear about what kind of debauchery that caused 653 kids to get suspended at once.
- Yazilliclick, on 07/10/2009, -1/+15Well they also work against kids with parents who give a damn. It's not the school's place to punish the kid really, better for them to just remove the trouble maker. The parent at home however should take action.
- MacGyver2210, on 07/10/2009, -1/+15If your writing is any indication of America's schooling ability I'd have to agree with you.
- s0nicfreak, on 07/10/2009, -0/+13@Yazilliclick
The problem is that students doing things like being violent and swearing at teachers usually don't have parents who give a damn. The students with parents that give a damn have parents that taught them how to act long before highschool. - Beanseh, on 07/10/2009, -0/+13anyone else notice she is never mentioned past book 3
- 5starbabydotcom, on 07/10/2009, -5/+17Queensland Association of State School Principals president Norm Hart said discipline crackdowns using suspensions and exclusions had been highly successful in improving student behaviour
- DavidTurnbull, on 07/10/2009, -2/+13When everyone else died in the 7th book.
- KimmyGibbler, on 07/10/2009, -0/+10Seriously, they keep playing on my lawn and wont leave when I tell them to get off
- crossmr, on 07/10/2009, -0/+9if its a privilege they shouldn't be forced to go there. There is a problem in your logic.
- jsmith39, on 07/10/2009, -0/+9point isn't to teach the assclowns how to read, it's to get them out of the way so everyone else can. If the assclowns adapt and improve they'll have the opportunity to learn, otherwise keep suspending them.
- mjhamilton, on 07/10/2009, -0/+8I don't know about you guys but I would do whatever a giant walking, talking albino raccoon said.
- s0nicfreak, on 07/10/2009, -1/+9These are highschool students, not children. But if we were talking about children, the parent should have taught the kid how to act after the first suspension instead of letting it happen so many times that they lose their job.
- SeaICIubber, on 07/10/2009, -4/+12Lightweight! look what we do in Britain
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/nottinghamshire ... - Engival, on 07/10/2009, -0/+7That'll show those kids. Kids HATE it when they can't go to school.
- Mike17102, on 07/10/2009, -0/+7The best part is the facts disagree with it, kids are in fact committing less crime than they used to.
- JLSigman, on 07/10/2009, -1/+8"Schools exist in order to educate; how can they do this if they exclude so easily. Assuming 5 lessons a day of an hour each that's 3,265 hrs of education lost. Not to mention the pastoral and social development."
Please be aware that this is also lost when the students are disruptive. If a teacher cannot teach, then the time is lost anyway. You cannot teach in a classroom where one or two students are constantly loud and disruptive.
"Parents should take responsibility for their children's actions, but not at the expense of their families health - remember it is the child misbehaving not the parent."
What do you suggest, then? There aren't enough teachers and/or staff and/or classrooms to put these disruptive kids somewhere by themselves. - Frostek, on 07/10/2009, -5/+11And yet this "*****" as you put it *worked*...
- JQP123, on 07/10/2009, -2/+8The fastest way to improve schools --- instill the basic idea that education is not a "requirement" but rather a "privilege". Successfully doing this may involve removing certain problematic individuals from the system --- at least temporarily.
- cygnus2112, on 07/10/2009, -1/+7@hoodedrobin
Dude? Iraq is over. And by the latest signs, sorting itself out finally. Cheers America.
***** off with your trolling. - Vesuvias, on 07/10/2009, -0/+6Back in my day we dragged the ***** kids 15 miles in the snow uphill both ways...
- Memnochxx, on 07/10/2009, -2/+8Really? Is that what the article said? Thanks for telling me, I didn't just read it myself.
- robohoe, on 07/10/2009, -2/+8you're*
- tgc1, on 07/10/2009, -0/+5I'm all for discipline but that whole "Zero Tolerance" policy is a one way trip down the path to not having to think. About anything. Discretion should be emphasized.
- freedomischaos, on 07/10/2009, -1/+6Imagine if you were constantly getting phone calls about your child being suspended.
- cyclops69, on 07/10/2009, -0/+5"There are alternatives to exclusion and I would be happy to outline them if anyone is interested."
OK Have a go - rocknog, on 07/10/2009, -0/+5There's the trick. 99% of a student's behavior is going to determined by how he was raised. If the student has ***** parents, well it's damn near impossible to get them to change.
- Cojafoji, on 07/10/2009, -7/+12Small high school discipline = no big deal. Try doing that in a high school in Philadelphia, and they'd just cheer, and then probably shoot her.
- Super6, on 07/10/2009, -1/+61. Kick out the 50% of the school that scores lowest on tests
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3. Profit!!!!! - Mike17102, on 07/10/2009, -2/+7I agree, its pathetic how schools teach you that you cant defend yourself. No wonder the US is turning into a nation of wimps.
- L4mb, on 07/10/2009, -0/+5Is it bad that I kinda want her to be dressed in leather and have a whip.
- Myonosken, on 07/10/2009, -0/+5Yeah the worst kids in America are particularly found in America.
....? - fajitamelt, on 07/10/2009, -0/+4That's a shame, I always loved Madame Hooch.
- Tyr86, on 07/10/2009, -1/+5All in all, you're just a, another brick in the wall.
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