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- Azimuth1, on 04/21/2008, -32/+340He's not criticising the motion controls, he's criticising the ***** Wii hardware and the low-res graphics it puts out. Also a company who's primary franchise is an online-focused FPS needs an online service that isn't completely broken.
- AwesomeMonster, on 04/21/2008, -62/+344Who cares? Epic really only makes 2 games, GoW series and UT series. It's not like they are some must have developer.
- bossm4n, on 04/21/2008, -29/+218Simply stated, the Wii was not designed, built or marketed for Epic's demographic. In fact, the Wii's customer is pretty much the antithesis of Epic's. Pretty arrogant of him to make a statement like that though.
- KingGoonie, on 04/21/2008, -92/+207Stupidest statement in history. As others pointed out above... it can be argued that the wii is more next gen then the other systems... Sure the 360/ps3 have better visuals... but thats just visuals. Wii gives you a different way of playing most of its games... so what is more "next gen" better graphics or a different play style? I mean really... People REALLY need to learn what the hell constitutes something moving into the next gen... not just in videogames but in everything...because better graphics is the same thing that has been happening ever new console since the Atari...so really its the same old same old... new system.. better graphics... when you get right down to it, its not really doing anything new. The wii is. Honestly to me this sounds like something a lazy developer will say. "What... what do you mean we can't just make the games prettier then the last one... what do you mean we have to change the entire thought process of what gaming is? Thats not going forward!" Silly,silly comment.
- mywhitenoise, on 04/21/2008, -29/+125Yeah, only quality games come out for Wii, no garbage............think about that for a second.
- logicalnoise, on 04/21/2008, -5/+74Epics lack on interest makes sense. They push graphic intensive games with lots of online functionality which are the wii's two biggest flaws. The control scheme offers no real benefit to anything epic has published in the past 4 years and really not many devs can use the unreal 3 engine on wii due to processing constraints(so their not making money on that either). I might be buying a wii in teh future but I know that it's a mixed bag. There's must play games of course but even so some games or game engines just won't work. The wii controls just aren't that precise for hardcore FPSs or even driving games for that matter. It's a casual system. Fun but just not a whole lot of depth.
- theshizzler, on 04/21/2008, -10/+77I am never playing Jazz Jackrabbit again.
- JlmAWP, on 04/21/2008, -15/+78I took a break from Smash to read Digg. As you can probably guess, I'm EXTREMELY broken up by this comment.
- daftfunk1, on 04/21/2008, -43/+102Nintendo has Metroid Prime, a true achievement and forward movement in FPS games.
- WhereAmI, on 04/21/2008, -7/+63They also make that moderately popular Unreal engine. Bad news if the game division of Epic doesn't want anything to do with the Wii. But I suppose a nice PS2 port couldn't hurt.
- KnockoutNerd, on 04/21/2008, -8/+55When has Epic ever made a game for a Nintendo console.
- latova, on 04/21/2008, -6/+51They hate PC gaming too, and they're run out of platforms to hate.
- berrray, on 04/21/2008, -9/+52Finally, a time where the word epic doesn't annoy the hell out of me.
- WhereAmI, on 04/21/2008, -16/+59The Wii just has so so so much more.
- BlueSkyfish, on 04/21/2008, -11/+52It's only natural for the market leader.
- BrainInAJar, on 04/21/2008, -6/+47that whole comment sounded like you were admitting to fooling around with a guy in college...
" gay appeals to certain people, but those people don't include my friends and I. Unless I'm drunk. " - volacide, on 04/21/2008, -12/+53Sorry. Hardware still *****. The Wii also doesn't have the processing power for advanced AI systems. Horsepower impacts more than just the visual side of things. Don't forget that.
- BlueSkyfish, on 04/21/2008, -10/+50Wow, two "Epic hates you" stories in one day?
http://digg.com/pc_games/5_Months_And_Still_No_UT3 ...
I bet Epic just lost a lot of respect from the gaming community today. - dasdef, on 04/21/2008, -17/+48meh.. Want to buy my copy?
- WhereAmI, on 04/21/2008, -16/+47The Wii has a gimmick, and anyone that respects gaming can appreciate what the Wii tries to do, but anyone that respects gaming can see that the Wii appeals to certain groups, and those groups do not include my friends and I. Unless I'm drunk.
- cRmtIMe, on 04/21/2008, -16/+47I don't know. To me, the motion sensor thing wears off pretty quick and I feel like I'm just playing gamecube while swinging my arms. I think the 360 is definitely more next gen than the wii.
- whoreable, on 04/21/2008, -3/+33http://digg.com/gaming_news/Epic_steals_user_creat ...
Make that 3 Epic hates you stories. - geneticlemon, on 04/21/2008, -9/+39I'm not a hardcore gamer ... but I do consider myself a casual gamer. Compared to the PS2 (I've not willed myself to play the PS3) and XBOX 360, I just had a better time with the Wii. Then again, I'm not the type of person to go out and buy every FPS on the market, so you can take my opinion with a grain of salt. I enjoy sitting in a room with my other "gamer" friends and kicking their asses at SSBB, or Mario Kart, rather than running around shooting at things.
I guess what I'm saying is, it's a matter of preference. Some people like heavy graphics -- others enjoy the experience. No one is right or wrong in this argument. And Mike Capps needs to NOT be an elitist jack ass by making comments like "it's a virus." Just let people enjoy themselves for *****'s sake. - mywhitenoise, on 04/21/2008, -15/+44I hope motion controls aren't the future. I'm not too fond of them on most Wii games, and I absolutely hate them on all the PS3 games that use it.
- estvir, on 04/21/2008, -20/+49You're giving the Wii too much credit for it's gameplay and forgetting the benefits good graphics bring, like helping the gamer be immersed. Also, they'er not changing the 'entire though process of what gaming is' all developers do is go "Ok, so in real life they'd move their hand to the left.. so I guess we make them do that with the Wiimote" -- Wow, that's really re-thinking the entire 'thought process.'
Also, different doesn't explicitly mean it's better. So far as far as gameplay goes, the Wii has kind of sucked. There are some stellar titles (Of which more or less all are first party Nintendo titles) but those are quite few and most of the 'amazing gameplay brought about by the Wii' consists of garbage games which are either mini-game repacks or games who attempted to use the Wiimote and sucked.
The "Nintendo has gameplay over grpahics" is a tired myth pushed by nonsensical kids in small boxes. You're going to have nightmares when you come to the realisation of what I've presented.
* By the way, there's going to be a ton of knee-jerk reactions by Wii fans to my post so I'll make it clear, I LIKE the Wii and I've had a ton of fun playing it (And I'll have a ton more once SSBB is released in Australia) but a lot of you are giving it too much credit for things it doesn't deserve and glossing [or plain ignoring] it's problems.
What will be interesting is when someone else (MS or Sony) come out with a fairly equivalent accessory to the Wiimote and than whatever console will have graphics, online, sound and, wait for it, the amazing 'gameplay' (I laugh every time I say that) brought about by the Wiimote. - aywwts4, on 04/21/2008, -3/+32The cheap and easy to develop for market leader.
Leader of a demographic that skews heavily towards people that never read reviews. - JayD16, on 04/21/2008, -1/+30This wiki link would probably be more informative.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm - KingGoonie, on 04/21/2008, -18/+46All systems have their garbage games.
- mattcoady, on 04/21/2008, -1/+26And always twirling, twirling towards freedom.
- doctorfungi, on 04/21/2008, -27/+51Why is it that Wii fan boys seem to think that adding motion controllers to something makes it next-gen?
- sat0shi, on 04/21/2008, -5/+28Learn not speak English so ***** and problem won't it be.
- sat0shi, on 04/21/2008, -14/+36"The Wii has core gameplay value... something 99% of games coming from the 360 and PS3 lack."
Hahahahahahahahahahahaahhahhaahahahaha... *breath* ... hahahahahahahahahhhahahahahaaha!
(This is coming from a Wii owner.)
So, if by core gameplay value you mean 50 random party games that don't actually even respond very well to the Wiimote, you may be right. The only games I've enjoyed on the Wii is Twilight Princess and Mario Galaxy, and that's pretty sad. - carpespasm, on 04/21/2008, -0/+22Man, some of Epic's earlier games would be killer to have on the VC. Jazz would mess Sonic's ***** all up.
- WernerCD, on 04/21/2008, -15/+36Why is it that PS3 fanboys think that putting shiny new graphics on the same crap we played last year is next-gen? oo more realistic smoke on halo. Whoopie.
Either side can spin it... New hardware (Same ***** in a better package) or new interface (same package with a new way of playing).
Either way both sides bring new stuff to the table.and calling people fan boys don't change the numbers. PS2 had last generation. And it seems like Wii/DS has the current gen. - Tyrghast, on 04/21/2008, -6/+27Again just to reiterate: Epic develops, supports and makes a bajillion off of the UT engine. The latest rendition is so freaking great, it'll keep the company afloat for a long time.
- daftfunk1, on 04/21/2008, -7/+26It is a toy. So is the X-Box 360 and PS3. The Wii is just the most successful toy. If the only goal is to have stunning visuals I wouldn't want to play their games.
- 1gunners4, on 04/21/2008, -1/+19"you can't play 2-generation old games on the 360"
Given that the 360 is the second generation of XBoxes, I'd be massively impressed if it could somehow play games from two generations ago. - Thumper13, on 04/21/2008, -6/+24Screw you all. I have a PC for graphics...my Wii is for fun with the family.
I love my PC games, and they look fantastic.
The Wii games are more fun though. Fun without the intense involvement.
Both are great...I don't see getting rid of either. - topace3000, on 04/21/2008, -2/+20Get some friends? Smash has been and always will be a social game. And it's one of the very best.
- Alphateam, on 04/21/2008, -19/+37Ya its a real dumb idea to develop a game when only 14 million people own the system
Some say the Wii is a step back, others forward. It doesn't matter which side of that fence you stand on.
There are MILLIONS of systems out there who really cares. 1.5 years later and the systems are still hard to find. Why would you not want to sell your games to those people? - baylat, on 04/21/2008, -3/+20Yeah a little, but his point was that Wii's capabilities is very limited.
- TheXeno, on 04/21/2008, -3/+18Okay here's the deal. The wii is awesome, awesome in the fact it has extended the videogame market into areas previously uncharted. More people who normally don't play games, are playing. That's cool. Though don't kid yourself, if you go in thinking the wii will give the the same gaming experience you've gotten used to for the past 20+ years or so (depending on how old ya are) you'd be mistaken. It's a casual console, built for the mass market. It doesn't push much as far as boundaries, but it is affordable, and does offer a unique way to control. Plus you'll also get the same Nintendo franchises, with the same old characters, if you're into that sort of thing. (I'm not, but that's just me)
Gaming is going in two directions now, and it's a good thing, casual and hardcore (hate that term actually, but it's familiar enough you'll know what I'm getting at) Markets are getting bigger, and Hollywood is getting a little nervous at the growing medium. All this competition is good, but sometimes we forget with all this personal bias, that honestly, Nintendo is in its own different category now. It's forward for some, and backward for others. To Epic its understandably backward, to others its a new frontier - filefly, on 04/21/2008, -2/+17Dude, Satoshi wasn't even talking to you. He was replying to Jaydo, but since replies won't nest this far down... oh, never mind. I'm too tired for this.
- baylat, on 04/21/2008, -3/+18Graphics? What about the CPU power of Wii. It cant handle the needed processing power to run the next gen games.
- Dumbledorito, on 04/21/2008, -10/+25He is right: The Wii doesn't have the best graphics capabilities. It's also a gimmicky system; very few of the games benefit from the motion-sensing of the Wiimote.
However, the Wii is vastly popular. This is because the casual game market is larger than the "hardcore" game market. There are more hours spent playing Solitaire, Minesweeper, and Bejeweled than just about anything else, and they can be played on computers over a decade old. - lordspidey, on 04/21/2008, -11/+25Epic has shifted attention to the console market therefore I have lost faith in them.
since UT2k4 it almost feels as if Epic has lost its way. - goldisalie, on 04/21/2008, -2/+16Excellent comment, and I'd just like to add that not only is this fanboy trying to redefine 'next generation' hardware to suit his own rabid fan love, but you missed some important points. Next gen hardware is not simply about graphics, what about physics? Game content and AI? These things require serious levels of hardware. Think of all the new avenues that open up when you can create much more interactive environments thanks to physics in gameplay. This is the sort of thing that is pushing games into the future.
Now I hate to burst your bubble fanboy (gparent, not you estvir), but sadly the wii is labelled last gen because it is LAST GEN HARDWARE. Jesus son do some research: it is a game cube, thats it, thats all. Oh no thats right they slightly improved the graphics hardware.... but that is irrelevant you say? Wii is called last gen because Wii IS last gen, you cannot argue that point, even Nintendo devs shouldn't argue that point (although I'm sure they do). - slightlygifted, on 04/21/2008, -8/+21theres more than just graphics a faster proccessor can do. better physics, ai , enviroment interaction (shooting a wall and it falls down) stuff you cant do on a wii. and some people honestly just think the wii mote makes it harder to play games. i myself own a wii and only play ssbb cause you can use a gc controller with it. half the time when you wiggle your wiimote to swing your sword in zelda it doesnt work. ITS ***** BROKEN.
- zeebo, on 04/21/2008, -1/+14@Murdats
You'd be wrong though, the Wii is by far the cheapest and easiest to develop for this generation since it has the simplest hardware, and you only have to worry about how the game will run at 720x480, and not at 1280x720 and 1920x1080, it also doesn't hurt that the Wii's devkits are less expensive. What's hurting the Wii's number of quality games is the attitude of companies like Epic 'only graphics matter', which led to a number of developers getting caught with their pants down and having to rush Wii titles to market to make up for money lost on larger budget 360 and PS3 titles. - OutThisLife, on 04/21/2008, -3/+15Dear Epic,
UT3 sucks ass. UT99 and UT04 are still the best. You obviously went back.
From,
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