nbcchicago.com— The Kendall County Sheriff's Department has launched an internal investigation into an alleged incident involving an off-duty deputy pulling a gun on a pregnant woman with too many items in a Walmart express...
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Oh, this should be good. On hat planet do the rules and regulations allow an officer to pull their gun for starting a fight? The real crime here is that no cops are going to stand up and root this kind of malfeasance out of the police force and for that, they are just as complacent and deserve whatever street justice should come their way when the s**t hits the fan.
Stupid idiotic title! For a moment I thought the cop pulls out his gun just because the pregnant woman held up the line. It was her huge husband using force against the cop that he did that!Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
I wouldn't, would you, complain if someone had one, two, three more items than they were supposed to have?
More than likely, the cop was pissed because he had to wait for the husband to return with the eggs. Annoying, to say the least, say something like "please have a little courtesy to others in line next time", yes,
To go blastic assh**e, No.
And, yes, they should have been in another line if they had more than the maximum amount of items. Enough blame to go around on both sides, cop handled it to the extreme, extremely wrong.
"Enough blame to go around on both sides, cop handled it to the extreme, extremely wrong."
Exactly.
And it usually takes two. Why I commented on what you said is because there is this annoying and prevalent attitude today that it is OK to be disrespectful, inconsiderate and rude to others and if you say something to the guilty party about it, you are the assh**e.
Depending where you live, you can expect it if you go to Walmart. For example, when I go to Walmart in my town I am usually the only one not wearing pajamas. And you are guaranteed to have to put up with someone in front of you that will argue about the prices of the items for 5 minutes, write checks that don't work on the machine, haven't finished shopping and their fat slob husband is still getting eggs, etc. That is why I avoid Walmart, but if you can't even handle that place without getting all pissed you probably also shouldn't have a gun.
The fact that the first thought a cop has when confronted is to draw their weapon says a lot about the current state of police training in America. Let's also consider that as far as the husband was concerned a regular citizen was threatening his pregnant wife when he shoved him away. On what planet is it acceptable to draw a weapon when some one shoves you, much less a police officer who should have better training when dealing with situations like this. f**k the cops for arresting the husband and not doing a damn thing about the guy who pulled the gun. They are every bit as dirty and crooked as he is, as are all cops who fail to stand up the the criminal behavior of their fellow officers.
2 things:
Cop needs to be fired and disciplined accordingly as if he was a regular person.
Lady needs to learn how to count and/or stay the fcuk out of the express lane.
you know... i didn't see in the article or the video where it actually said she had too many items. the cops just asked her if she knew how to count. apparently he must have thought she did but there's not reason to believe that was the case.
I don't think it would have started if the husband was there to begin with. Some of these douchebags like to target the weak and innocent, like a f**king pregnant woman shopping.
I don't know what has happened to police officers over the past 15 years but I know that the current behavior of police officers is completely unacceptable. Whether it's them bullying peaceful protesters, raping 9-1-1 dialers or arresting young girls for abusing 9-1-1 while their father lies dying something wrong is happening and it needs to be stopped. Police need to be taught that their first duty is to public safety, not personal issues, not financial gains and certainly now power grabbing.
It's so hard to read these stories twice a week and it doesn't seem like they are going away, they are just increasing in regularity.
They are not increasing in regularity... This is the way things have always been. Difference? Now with the Internet, you actually hear about these stories. I'm not saying that it's right or acceptable, but the notion that this kind of thing is on the rise is an illusion - it was just much easier to keep this s**t under wraps before the Internet.
Leodin hit the nail on the head. I don't know how old this group is but the cops have been acting like this as long as I can remember. You would hear of people complaining of police brutality and the public would just ignore it. Now they have turned this brutality toward innocent citizens, and you should expect it to get worse long before it gets better.
So why do they do this? It's because they are trained to be thugs. They have been given militarized weapons, hell, Arpaio even has a tank, armored vehicles, and all sorts of weapons to brutalize the innocent. And almost none of them are ever brought to justice when they break the law. Police commit felonies every day to capture misdemeanors. That makes them worse than the criminals.
You need to look no further than the police treatment of the Occupy folks to see what happens when you practice your first amendment rights.
Keep your cameras ready, it's the only was to fight back.
Whoever submitted this, f**ked up the title. You left out the part where he was off duty.
This idiot should be treated the same as any regular citizen who pulls a gun on someone for no reason. Which is getting a one way ticket to jail. They can take their internal investigation and shove it up their asses. Any normal person would be in jail right now, for doing this same thing. Since he was off duty, and didn't show his badge; He was no different than anyone else.
f**k this guy, and f**k the Sheriff's department for not arresting him.
And you left out the part where the worthless pig was acting threatening toward both of them first.
"There was a guy in her face, yelling at her," said Jason Thurmond. "In an aggressive manner he steps toward me, and I just push him back to keep him away from my wife and myself, and before I knew it I just froze because he pulled out a gun."
So you wouldn't do the same thing if some random stranger was in your wife's or girlfriend's face?
It's not assault when you're threatened. And he didn't assault a cop. He defended his family against a random assh**e in a store. The guy never presented himself as a cop. And even if he did; He had no legal reason to act like a child.
It's well known that if you are acting in an aggressive manner and press into someones personal intimate space, you will almost always have one of two responses, either the victim will retreat, or attempt to force you out of that space.
I bet the husband would normally have backed up, but they were in a line, it was probably crowded, and HE WAS PROTECTING HIS PREGNANT WIFE! There is no real expectation that this guy would back down from the continuing assault for anything less than threats of lethal force.
Anyone who has had any confrontation training at all would know that. It's part of the reason you aren't supposed to get in someones face, sure it can intimidate them, but if they have someone to protect or nowhere to go, they will respond, and that is something any responsible person of authority would try to avoid. Of the cops I've known, they've all had that training. I got mine in the military. I have no idea if the volatile nutjob with a badge and a gun had ever had that training, but I wouldn't be surprised.
As this is a Walmart it is highly likely the incident was caught in security footage (I've seen less surveillance in most banks than what is usually sitting up front near the registers). If they "loose" the footage or delay its release for more than a couple weeks I think it is safe to say that the officer was the assaulting party. Unfortunately the corruption is so bad in our "justice" system I doubt even if the officer is proven to be at fault I doubt he'll see any real punishment. That officer in New York only had a few days paid vacation taken away for macing a half dozen women in the face because the "invisible crawling guys trying to trip an officer" defense flew with the IAB. An off duty officer that was caught on surveillance beating the crap out of a 110 lb female bartender for not getting him more booze didn't spend a second in a cell, and was even escorted through the back door of the courtroom by a phalanx of on the clock officers every time he had a court appearance.
What a turd. You can't do that! And they arrested the husband. f**king lol. This happened in Oswego, Iran I think. Tomorrow they're going to hang the husband from a street light in front of a crowd of cheering patriots.
What a f**king crock of s**t. Who the f**k do these cops think they are? I'm so god damned tired of seeing this go down. That guy shouldn't have been charged with a crime for shoving someone, first of all. If you tattle for being shoved, you're a little bitch.
Second, if someone harassed my wife at the store, accused us of being slow and on welfare and s**t, I'd do a lot worse than shove him.
I hope this couple receives more support from their community at large, because this is a god damned travesty, and that cop should be beaten then fired.
WAKE UP PEOPLE, WHAT THE f**k ARE YOU DOING WITH YOURSELF WHILE s**t LIKE THIS GOES DOWN?
That argument would only hold water if the "off duty" officer was treated like any other person throughout the incident. As the officer was not arrested for pulling a gun in a Walmart, along with the husband who was arrested for shoving, the off duty officer is apparently receiving very preferential treatment.
Why must submitters adjust titles for maximum sensationalism and minimal truth?
Allow me to fix it:
"Off duty cop pulls gun on man who pushes him after the cop confronted his pregnant wife over too many items in the self-checkout"
Predictably the title and summary neglect the fact he only pulled his gun after the woman's rather large husband pushed the officer. And I'm guessing he was aiming the gun at the guy who pushed him, not the pregnant woman.
"In an aggressive manner he steps toward me, and I just push him back to keep him away from my wife and myself, and before I knew it I just froze because he pulled out a gun."
Now, that said, if the article is accurate, the cop grossly over-reacted and also messed up by advancing towards the woman's husband and I think he should probably be suspended and forced to take some anger management classes.
It never ceases to amaze me how judgmental people are these days. Not having been there, it is impossible to say either way who is at fault here. I seriously doubt a train cop pulled a gun (not his gun as he was off duty) just because someone gave him a slight push. How much argy-bargy come to this conclusion would be impossible to say, the courts and time will tell (as it would have been filmed on the stores security cams.) Wait and see and don't prejudge the jury.
If that guy was a cop he should have identified himself as one before going all Die Hard on the woman but a better question is: Why is Walmart sending an off duty cop to talk to a woman about using the self checkout? Does he also greet customers at the door and provide carts from the customers? Did he just take it upon himself to harass someone about bringing a ton of items through the self checkout? It's annoying but I didn't think Walmart had a limit.
stubearFeb 11, 2012
Oh, this should be good. On hat planet do the rules and regulations allow an officer to pull their gun for starting a fight? The real crime here is that no cops are going to stand up and root this kind of malfeasance out of the police force and for that, they are just as complacent and deserve whatever street justice should come their way when the s**t hits the fan.
gt777Feb 12, 2012
Stupid idiotic title! For a moment I thought the cop pulls out his gun just because the pregnant woman held up the line. It was her huge husband using force against the cop that he did that!Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
FrankLuskaFeb 12, 2012
Stupid f**king cop should not have been an assh**e and nothing would have happened.
PresidentCamachoFeb 12, 2012
His actions are not excusable but sounds like if these rude slobs were in the right line there would not have been a problem either.
FrankLuskaFeb 12, 2012
I wouldn't, would you, complain if someone had one, two, three more items than they were supposed to have?
More than likely, the cop was pissed because he had to wait for the husband to return with the eggs. Annoying, to say the least, say something like "please have a little courtesy to others in line next time", yes,
To go blastic assh**e, No.
And, yes, they should have been in another line if they had more than the maximum amount of items. Enough blame to go around on both sides, cop handled it to the extreme, extremely wrong.
PresidentCamachoFeb 14, 2012
"Enough blame to go around on both sides, cop handled it to the extreme, extremely wrong."
Exactly.
And it usually takes two. Why I commented on what you said is because there is this annoying and prevalent attitude today that it is OK to be disrespectful, inconsiderate and rude to others and if you say something to the guilty party about it, you are the assh**e.
Depending where you live, you can expect it if you go to Walmart. For example, when I go to Walmart in my town I am usually the only one not wearing pajamas. And you are guaranteed to have to put up with someone in front of you that will argue about the prices of the items for 5 minutes, write checks that don't work on the machine, haven't finished shopping and their fat slob husband is still getting eggs, etc. That is why I avoid Walmart, but if you can't even handle that place without getting all pissed you probably also shouldn't have a gun.
stubearFeb 12, 2012
The fact that the first thought a cop has when confronted is to draw their weapon says a lot about the current state of police training in America. Let's also consider that as far as the husband was concerned a regular citizen was threatening his pregnant wife when he shoved him away. On what planet is it acceptable to draw a weapon when some one shoves you, much less a police officer who should have better training when dealing with situations like this. f**k the cops for arresting the husband and not doing a damn thing about the guy who pulled the gun. They are every bit as dirty and crooked as he is, as are all cops who fail to stand up the the criminal behavior of their fellow officers.
skinturtleFeb 11, 2012
"his actions are consistent with rules and regulations"....???
He's allowed to wave a gun around with a pregnant woman standing there...and the husband gets charged?
I friggin' hate cops
batwaffelFeb 11, 2012
2 things:
Cop needs to be fired and disciplined accordingly as if he was a regular person.
Lady needs to learn how to count and/or stay the fcuk out of the express lane.
user500Feb 11, 2012
1 more thing:
the cop should be given a fair trial then executed.
coded1Feb 12, 2012
But, ummm how about the fair trial finds him innocent...? Do we still execute him?
You have to love the comments of mob mentality.
pixiemom1970Feb 11, 2012
and for god's sake, next time remember the eggs when you're in the back of the store.
whacklyFeb 12, 2012
you know... i didn't see in the article or the video where it actually said she had too many items. the cops just asked her if she knew how to count. apparently he must have thought she did but there's not reason to believe that was the case.
deltan9neFeb 12, 2012
I don't think it would have started if the husband was there to begin with. Some of these douchebags like to target the weak and innocent, like a f**king pregnant woman shopping.
whacklyFeb 12, 2012
a career in law enforcement tends to appeal to certain types of people. and not always the ones we wish it did.
barasawaFeb 12, 2012
With a moron like that, maybe he though all 12 eggs counted against the quantity or something. :)
mraustin1337Feb 11, 2012
I don't know what has happened to police officers over the past 15 years but I know that the current behavior of police officers is completely unacceptable. Whether it's them bullying peaceful protesters, raping 9-1-1 dialers or arresting young girls for abusing 9-1-1 while their father lies dying something wrong is happening and it needs to be stopped. Police need to be taught that their first duty is to public safety, not personal issues, not financial gains and certainly now power grabbing.
It's so hard to read these stories twice a week and it doesn't seem like they are going away, they are just increasing in regularity.
leodinFeb 11, 2012
They are not increasing in regularity... This is the way things have always been. Difference? Now with the Internet, you actually hear about these stories. I'm not saying that it's right or acceptable, but the notion that this kind of thing is on the rise is an illusion - it was just much easier to keep this s**t under wraps before the Internet.
flpflpflpFeb 12, 2012
Leodin hit the nail on the head. I don't know how old this group is but the cops have been acting like this as long as I can remember. You would hear of people complaining of police brutality and the public would just ignore it. Now they have turned this brutality toward innocent citizens, and you should expect it to get worse long before it gets better.
So why do they do this? It's because they are trained to be thugs. They have been given militarized weapons, hell, Arpaio even has a tank, armored vehicles, and all sorts of weapons to brutalize the innocent. And almost none of them are ever brought to justice when they break the law. Police commit felonies every day to capture misdemeanors. That makes them worse than the criminals.
You need to look no further than the police treatment of the Occupy folks to see what happens when you practice your first amendment rights.
Keep your cameras ready, it's the only was to fight back.
skinturtleFeb 11, 2012
I'll tell you what's happened...the ones who train people to be cops aren't screening these little assh**es close enough.
Too many little punks are getting in there who just want to shoot guns.
deltan9neFeb 12, 2012
Aren't most cops just failed high school sports stars and the likes of other wife-beater-wearing-wife-beaters?
skinturtleFeb 12, 2012
yes they are.
JLF2035Feb 11, 2012
Whoever submitted this, f**ked up the title. You left out the part where he was off duty.
This idiot should be treated the same as any regular citizen who pulls a gun on someone for no reason. Which is getting a one way ticket to jail. They can take their internal investigation and shove it up their asses. Any normal person would be in jail right now, for doing this same thing. Since he was off duty, and didn't show his badge; He was no different than anyone else.
f**k this guy, and f**k the Sheriff's department for not arresting him.
neotechniFeb 11, 2012
"You left out the part where he was off duty. "
And the part where the fat cow's husband assaulted the cop.
kochevnik2001Feb 11, 2012
So if he's a layperson, he's a thug. If he's a stormtrooper he can do no wrong? Did I get your thoughts right on the matter, you little Eichmann?
JLF2035Feb 11, 2012
And you left out the part where the worthless pig was acting threatening toward both of them first.
"There was a guy in her face, yelling at her," said Jason Thurmond. "In an aggressive manner he steps toward me, and I just push him back to keep him away from my wife and myself, and before I knew it I just froze because he pulled out a gun."
So you wouldn't do the same thing if some random stranger was in your wife's or girlfriend's face?
It's not assault when you're threatened. And he didn't assault a cop. He defended his family against a random assh**e in a store. The guy never presented himself as a cop. And even if he did; He had no legal reason to act like a child.
barasawaFeb 12, 2012
It's well known that if you are acting in an aggressive manner and press into someones personal intimate space, you will almost always have one of two responses, either the victim will retreat, or attempt to force you out of that space.
I bet the husband would normally have backed up, but they were in a line, it was probably crowded, and HE WAS PROTECTING HIS PREGNANT WIFE! There is no real expectation that this guy would back down from the continuing assault for anything less than threats of lethal force.
Anyone who has had any confrontation training at all would know that. It's part of the reason you aren't supposed to get in someones face, sure it can intimidate them, but if they have someone to protect or nowhere to go, they will respond, and that is something any responsible person of authority would try to avoid. Of the cops I've known, they've all had that training. I got mine in the military. I have no idea if the volatile nutjob with a badge and a gun had ever had that training, but I wouldn't be surprised.
ageofmasteryFeb 11, 2012
@neotechni
So if you saw some guy up in your woman's face screaming at her you wouldn't do s**t?
At least you admit you're a pathetic little coward.
woemirth73Feb 11, 2012
Are you on Welfare.... lol... This cop needs to be sent to jail... If its true. Lets see the security recording.
satori3000Feb 11, 2012
yeah, there's no vid here and no witnesses on camera. It's hard to know what happened without further proof.
ano233Feb 11, 2012
As this is a Walmart it is highly likely the incident was caught in security footage (I've seen less surveillance in most banks than what is usually sitting up front near the registers). If they "loose" the footage or delay its release for more than a couple weeks I think it is safe to say that the officer was the assaulting party. Unfortunately the corruption is so bad in our "justice" system I doubt even if the officer is proven to be at fault I doubt he'll see any real punishment. That officer in New York only had a few days paid vacation taken away for macing a half dozen women in the face because the "invisible crawling guys trying to trip an officer" defense flew with the IAB. An off duty officer that was caught on surveillance beating the crap out of a 110 lb female bartender for not getting him more booze didn't spend a second in a cell, and was even escorted through the back door of the courtroom by a phalanx of on the clock officers every time he had a court appearance.
partrowFeb 11, 2012
What is "loosing footage" ?
ano233Feb 12, 2012
Yes, yes my speling is horrible. I know.
I can really trash my sentence structure sometimes too.
luke1h7Feb 11, 2012
What a turd. You can't do that! And they arrested the husband. f**king lol. This happened in Oswego, Iran I think. Tomorrow they're going to hang the husband from a street light in front of a crowd of cheering patriots.
user500Feb 11, 2012
"has launched an internal investigation into an alleged incident involving an off-duty deputy pulling a gun on "
Why cant they just say the police just began there cover up?
bloodrainFeb 11, 2012
yeap cops more corrupt and power hungry now then ever
cavimikeFeb 11, 2012
Oh Walmart, you bring out the best in people.
originalspeedysFeb 11, 2012
Cops can do what they want.Even the things the rest of us have no chance to fight.http://www.kcrg.com/news/local/OWI-Charge-Against-Keokuk-County-Sheriff-Dismissed-139097779.html
deltan9neFeb 12, 2012
What a f**king crock of s**t. Who the f**k do these cops think they are? I'm so god damned tired of seeing this go down. That guy shouldn't have been charged with a crime for shoving someone, first of all. If you tattle for being shoved, you're a little bitch.
Second, if someone harassed my wife at the store, accused us of being slow and on welfare and s**t, I'd do a lot worse than shove him.
I hope this couple receives more support from their community at large, because this is a god damned travesty, and that cop should be beaten then fired.
WAKE UP PEOPLE, WHAT THE f**k ARE YOU DOING WITH YOURSELF WHILE s**t LIKE THIS GOES DOWN?
steve8867Feb 11, 2012
Welcome to the PoliceState!
JLF2035Feb 11, 2012
He was off duty. Your comment is invalid.
ano233Feb 11, 2012
That argument would only hold water if the "off duty" officer was treated like any other person throughout the incident. As the officer was not arrested for pulling a gun in a Walmart, along with the husband who was arrested for shoving, the off duty officer is apparently receiving very preferential treatment.
JLF2035Feb 11, 2012
hmm. Good point.
TerryMadiFeb 11, 2012
After the white man found once again another one of his women with a black man, his ego went through the roof!
deltan9neFeb 12, 2012
No one else has said it, but I guarantee that had something to do with it.
publikjohn9Feb 12, 2012
Are you on welfare, ironic since all government officials are basically living on the dole.
I hope this assh**e cop gets cancer on his assh**e.
barasawaFeb 12, 2012
In his case, that sounds like all of him.
johnnysoftwareFeb 11, 2012
What is he, the math literacy police?
barackalypseFeb 12, 2012
Why must submitters adjust titles for maximum sensationalism and minimal truth?
Allow me to fix it:
"Off duty cop pulls gun on man who pushes him after the cop confronted his pregnant wife over too many items in the self-checkout"
Predictably the title and summary neglect the fact he only pulled his gun after the woman's rather large husband pushed the officer. And I'm guessing he was aiming the gun at the guy who pushed him, not the pregnant woman.
"In an aggressive manner he steps toward me, and I just push him back to keep him away from my wife and myself, and before I knew it I just froze because he pulled out a gun."
Now, that said, if the article is accurate, the cop grossly over-reacted and also messed up by advancing towards the woman's husband and I think he should probably be suspended and forced to take some anger management classes.
johnnysoftwareFeb 11, 2012
People need to stay out of Walmart and it will go away.
Closed AccountFeb 12, 2012
buried, misleading title. "Man arrested for assaulting an off-duty cop"
jacleseauFeb 11, 2012
WTF?
barackalypseFeb 12, 2012
Its Walmart, it could have been way worse. All these people seem to have pants on.
massivetatasFeb 11, 2012
I personally detest express-holes.
maquereautinFeb 11, 2012
Face palm....
assassyn360Feb 13, 2012
Meanwhile, officer dip s**tz has been placed on paid leave pending the investigation. Aka vacation.
karmashockFeb 12, 2012
take his gun... give him a nice desk job somewhere. I'd say fire him but that's probably impossible.
laurahoustonFeb 12, 2012
cops always trying to stir up s**t so they can beat or kill someone
jgardner100Feb 12, 2012
It never ceases to amaze me how judgmental people are these days. Not having been there, it is impossible to say either way who is at fault here. I seriously doubt a train cop pulled a gun (not his gun as he was off duty) just because someone gave him a slight push. How much argy-bargy come to this conclusion would be impossible to say, the courts and time will tell (as it would have been filmed on the stores security cams.) Wait and see and don't prejudge the jury.
warlok480Feb 11, 2012
The key to Wal-Mart is you buy everything at the Electronics section
johnnysoftwareFeb 11, 2012
In a different store in the same shopping center.
assassyn360Feb 13, 2012
People of Walmart.
sly7765Feb 12, 2012
If that guy was a cop he should have identified himself as one before going all Die Hard on the woman but a better question is: Why is Walmart sending an off duty cop to talk to a woman about using the self checkout? Does he also greet customers at the door and provide carts from the customers? Did he just take it upon himself to harass someone about bringing a ton of items through the self checkout? It's annoying but I didn't think Walmart had a limit.
nurse3766Feb 12, 2012
lOL is this for real?
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