gizmodo.com— The bombs keep dropping from Anonymous—first local cops, then the FBI, and now the Marine Corps: sensitive documents from 2005's Haditha Killings trial.
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That's the point. The marines responsible were not held accountable by a system that will cover up atrocities committed in the name of the American people. This isn't the first time either.
Obviously our court system can no longer be trusted. When someone like Bradly Manning is detained indefinely while acts of murder and bigotry are swept under the rug.
These men are not representative of the Marine Corps. Those gentlemen forgot one of the Marine cornerstones: They obey orders and ALL military personnel are ALWAYS under orders to not scrap civs if at all possible. Make no mistake, ladies and gentlemen, they gave up their rights to be Marines when they ignored their orders.
i concur on principle, but a dogmatic mentality isn't going to get us anywhere with respect to the abuse of civilian populations (or of enemy prisoners of war) by members of our armed services. when a person assumes the uniform of a member of our military, they take an oath. they may have forfeited their right to subsequently claim to be marines by their actions that day, but the point at which the course of conduct we're talking about took place these people were in uniform and acting as united states marines for all intents and purposes as far as the world at large is concerned.
a couple of years ago, i had a chance to talk to a young man who was about to deploy to iraq. i asked him if he was scared at all and he brashly replied, "eh, at least i might get the chance to light up some hajis."
"do you know what that word means?" i asked. "hajis? it's what they call iraqis at basic training," he responded, nonplussed.
"all of them, or just combatants?" it was a bit beside the point i was making at the time, but i was curious. "iraqis. all of them. the instructors at basic called them hajis."
"a haji," i explained, "is a muslim who has made the pilgrimage to mecca. it's an honorific title." he remained apparently nonplussed, and may still be.
so, that tells me that we're encouraging (or at least allowing, which is no better) the people who train our military personnel to dehumanize entire races of people. i understand that dehumanization/objectification of enemy combatants is a necessary component in the process of training young people to kill them on command, but the way we're going about it is flinging the door open for the sort of behavior we're talking about above.
Unless there WAS no actual Haditha Massacre by Marines. Since all they showed us was some photos of "dead" bodies, there's really no reason to think this event happened. Is there?
i hadn't ever considered that this story might be fabricated. who within the ranks of the military would want to make up something so incredibly damning for the marine corps and convince a bunch of young men to lie about it, trashing their personal reputations in the process? to make our presence in that part of the world look WORSE to the international community? to bring more ire down upon the head of our military establishment? to further highlight the united states' astoundingly hawkish military policies and practices?
i suppose that thinking this event really happened the way it's being reported by the military organization which oversaw the people responsible is far less complicated than assuming that hundreds of people simultaneously went completely insane and went along with making it up, and for no apparent gain.
radical islamic fundamentalists made it up and managed to convince the u.s. military to fabricate evidence sufficient to bring charges against the marines involved? more remarkable would be the 'jihadis' convincing the one marine convicted for the incident to apologize to the families of the people who died that day: http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/convicted-marine-apologizes-iraqi-civilians-15436262#.Ty3X5_nnuuI
From your link:
"...failed to win any manslaughter convictions. Eight Marines were initially charged; one was acquitted and six others had their cases dropped."
This type of slang has been used for centuries. Huns, Charlie, Yanks, Reds, Japs, GOKs, Hinny, Rebs, Jerry, Tommy, Dickys, Goombah, etc. Haji is just another military slang word.
Well, Marines cornerstones aside, not killing civilians for pleasure or relaxation is a core principle of code of chivalry/conduct introduced into Western Europe a thousand years ago.
Until then, it was a lot like an anarchist/libertarian utopia. Men didn't take care of their mates, mothers couldn't raise their children alone so the latter ran the streets in huge numbers, and war was about raping/looting/pillaging.
War meant Total War then, and even a small war would sear deep, lasting wounds like you see as the standard in the Middle East.
Terrorism was pushed away by reformations done in the military a thousand years ago. Atrocities against civilians restore us all to our terrorist traditions of warfare.
The "massacre" was another Islamic fraud.
Like the Jenin "massacre." If we can't examine the bodies it didn't f**king happen.
"CAMP PENDLETON -- If investigators can't examine the bodies of 24 unarmed civilians allegedly killed by Camp Pendleton Marines in Haditha in November, building a case against the accused could be difficult, according to two military law authorities.
Families of all the victims have declined U.S. and Iraqi requests to exhume the bodies for autopsy, according to news reports. In most cases, exhumation is prohibited under Islamic law."
The "massacre" was another Islamic fraud.
Like the Jenin "massacre." If we can't examine the bodies it didn't f**king happen.
"CAMP PENDLETON -- If investigators can't examine the bodies of 24 unarmed civilians allegedly killed by Camp Pendleton Marines in Haditha in November, building a case against the accused could be difficult, according to two military law authorities.
Families of all the victims have declined U.S. and Iraqi requests to exhume the bodies for autopsy, according to news reports. In most cases, exhumation is prohibited under Islamic law."
really? go after thr guy whos issued the orders!!! not the idiot that acrried them out. anon f'd up. basically the guy carrying out the order will be the scapegoat for them while the moron who issued the orders gets away clean. what a clusterf**k.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
As a daughter of a Ret. corps vet I am upset at the behavior of these misguided idiots. HOWEVER, to judge these men you need to experience an IED attack. Walk a few hundred miles in their boots in 100 plus degrees in Kevlar. Watch their friends get mangled and killed, or lose their minds in the process.
I find it interesting that someone hiding behind a computer as a hacker would revel in the disgrace of an honorable institution.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
Okay, i will agree to that. but then should Anonymous remain anonymous? Should the public not be free to see who is hacking our government institutions? Don't we have the right to know their identities?Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
That's not up to me to say. If the group that takes pride in their anonymity wants to reveal themselves, they have every right to do so, or they won't and they're still FREE to be anonymous. Oh, and no we don't have the right to know their identities.
Anon is not and does not represent America. It is not funded by American tax dollars, your questions are irrelevant. As a taxpayer I deserve to know everything my government does at all times.
I understand where you're coming from, but think of the friends and families of the innocent civilians that died that day. It's a shame all the way around.
Misguided idiots? At least they have the decency to reveal things about the United States broken military institution. At least they stand up in ways you would never even think of.
I don't know if you heard, but it's actually spelled herd.
Second...
Get some new slogans ya poser. Every single "awake" individual uses the same tired cliche rally calls.
Third...
Though I agree with the release of this material, anyone claiming that all information should be free to the public needs to end every comment with their real name, address and phone number. If they don't, then they need to shut the hell up.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
Guy, its called a grammatical error. Idk if youve heard but writing my opinion online doesnt mean i have to spell check and analyze every aspect of my online vocabulary.
Second, although the term "awake" is used quite a bit in online chatter, at least its got an connotative meaning that holds truth. Unlike your unoriginal troll like opinion which has to dissect every bit of my grammar.
Third, your last comment makes no sense. Are you saying everyone online should be identified and crucified for giving their opinions on certain matters? If so, then you sound awfully like congress.
"Idk if youve heard but writing my opinion online doesnt mean i have to spell check and analyze every aspect of my online vocabulary."
Ah, but if you want to be taken seriously, then it sure as hell matters.
"Unlike your unoriginal troll like opinion which has to dissect every bit of my grammar."
I'm sorry, calling someone a sheep for having a dissenting opinion is not in your words "troll-like"?
"Third, your last comment makes no sense. Are you saying everyone online should be identified and crucified for giving their opinions on certain matters?"
No, not at all. What I'm saying is that people with this idea that there should be no secrets and that all information should be open and available should not be hiding under a moniker known as "Anonymous". You're telling me that makes sense?
Lol, you think i dont know the limits of transparency? Its sort of implied that certain information needs to be kept within boundaries but when the government is allowed to do things like this and then keep it a secret something is obviously wrong.
Seeing comments like 'republitericrat''s is a clear representation of the united states success at modern propaganda.
And my final word on your incessant need to focus on my mistake; have you ever heard of a typo? I mean how hard did your elementary teacher bone you if you misspelled something??
"Seeing comments like 'republitericrat''s is a clear representation of the united states success at modern propaganda."
Seeing comments like yours is a clear representation of political science and philosophy professor's success at anti-establishment propaganda. See, I can paint broad strokes to. Why does someone have to be brainwashed to have an opinion? Maybe republitericrat served in the military or has had family serve. Maybe you've been the victim of a repressed information. Who knows?
" And my final word on your incessant need to focus on my mistake; have you ever heard of a typo? I mean how hard did your elementary teacher bone you if you misspelled something??"
The government has no problem in legislating laws to take away everyone elses privacy. Why should they have any? They don't seem to mind having access to my personal info and keep track of my every move.
If my life is to be transparent...by golly theirs will be too.
The mental and emotional anguish experienced by our soldiers is noteworthy but, does not justify murder. They have plenty of opportunities to exact revenge on "legitimate" targets.
I'm friends with several honorable marines, so I know this isn't representative of the Marine Corps as a whole. Soldiers who break protocol like this should not receive special treatment.. on the contrary. Don't forget that the populace of these Middle Eastern nations are watching their friends and loved ones get "mangled and killed" too, in much greater numbers, which only incentivizes more retaliation.. and round and round we go.
Is being a murderer honorable? Is defending a murderer honorable? We may not agree but the answer is NO it is not. Is it honorable to invade someones country and murder innocent people; all in the name of greed and money? I think not!!! There is nothing honorable about what are current armed forces are doing to other countries and thus with those who defend them.
Maybe you have been under a rock for the last decade but the US government is very corrupt at this point. Anything that brings this information to light is a good thing. I agree that war can have some very damaging effects to a persons mental state. However, this does not excuse killing innocent people in any regard.
What if there were no innocent civilians killed by US Marines? What if the Haditha Massacre was yet another phony Islamic "massacre" story like the Jenin "massacre."Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
"HOWEVER, to judge these men you need to experience an IED attack. Walk a few hundred miles in their boots in 100 plus degrees in Kevlar. Watch their friends get mangled and killed, or lose their minds in the process"
That sounds like an excuse for any military personnel to do whatever they want in the battlefront.
Look, what you are explaining can more easily be compared to a man whose wife is killed and he seeks revenge by killing the families of those responsible. Do you think that this man should not be severely punished for killing the families of those responsible?Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
Haditha Massacre, my ass.
They showed us photos of bodies.
Then they wouldn't let us examine the bodies.
Imagine a court case like that in the US. The judge would bang her gavel and say "Dismissed."
Yet these damn Army prosecutors pursued this phony massacre for six more years. And STILL found everyone not guilty or dropped charges.
dustinthewind2Feb 3, 2012
Way to go Anonymous. s**t like this needs to stop happening, and it never will without exposure.
UncleRuckuFeb 4, 2012
Certainly there are those who are more responsible than others, and they will be held accountable
andromedastarFeb 4, 2012
That's the point. The marines responsible were not held accountable by a system that will cover up atrocities committed in the name of the American people. This isn't the first time either.
dustinthewind2Feb 4, 2012
Far from the first time, and that's not counting things we will never know about.
StonnaFeb 4, 2012
Obviously our court system can no longer be trusted. When someone like Bradly Manning is detained indefinely while acts of murder and bigotry are swept under the rug.
nickymouseFeb 5, 2012
Bradly Manning is a mentally unstable kid. Stick him a mental institution.
thespookFeb 5, 2012
Mentally unstable or not, what he did is honorable.
nickymouseFeb 6, 2012
Their was no honor in what he did. He dishonered the flag, the army and his unit.
mlw4428Feb 4, 2012
These men are not representative of the Marine Corps. Those gentlemen forgot one of the Marine cornerstones: They obey orders and ALL military personnel are ALWAYS under orders to not scrap civs if at all possible. Make no mistake, ladies and gentlemen, they gave up their rights to be Marines when they ignored their orders.
Semper Fidelis = "Always faithful".
jonahsullivanFeb 4, 2012
i concur on principle, but a dogmatic mentality isn't going to get us anywhere with respect to the abuse of civilian populations (or of enemy prisoners of war) by members of our armed services. when a person assumes the uniform of a member of our military, they take an oath. they may have forfeited their right to subsequently claim to be marines by their actions that day, but the point at which the course of conduct we're talking about took place these people were in uniform and acting as united states marines for all intents and purposes as far as the world at large is concerned.
a couple of years ago, i had a chance to talk to a young man who was about to deploy to iraq. i asked him if he was scared at all and he brashly replied, "eh, at least i might get the chance to light up some hajis."
"do you know what that word means?" i asked. "hajis? it's what they call iraqis at basic training," he responded, nonplussed.
"all of them, or just combatants?" it was a bit beside the point i was making at the time, but i was curious. "iraqis. all of them. the instructors at basic called them hajis."
"a haji," i explained, "is a muslim who has made the pilgrimage to mecca. it's an honorific title." he remained apparently nonplussed, and may still be.
so, that tells me that we're encouraging (or at least allowing, which is no better) the people who train our military personnel to dehumanize entire races of people. i understand that dehumanization/objectification of enemy combatants is a necessary component in the process of training young people to kill them on command, but the way we're going about it is flinging the door open for the sort of behavior we're talking about above.
kasha34Feb 5, 2012
Unless there WAS no actual Haditha Massacre by Marines. Since all they showed us was some photos of "dead" bodies, there's really no reason to think this event happened. Is there?
jonahsullivanFeb 5, 2012
i hadn't ever considered that this story might be fabricated. who within the ranks of the military would want to make up something so incredibly damning for the marine corps and convince a bunch of young men to lie about it, trashing their personal reputations in the process? to make our presence in that part of the world look WORSE to the international community? to bring more ire down upon the head of our military establishment? to further highlight the united states' astoundingly hawkish military policies and practices?
i suppose that thinking this event really happened the way it's being reported by the military organization which oversaw the people responsible is far less complicated than assuming that hundreds of people simultaneously went completely insane and went along with making it up, and for no apparent gain.
kasha34Feb 5, 2012
No one is saying the military fabricated it. It's the jihadis that made it up.
Did you know we've never seen the "bodies"?
jonahsullivanFeb 5, 2012
radical islamic fundamentalists made it up and managed to convince the u.s. military to fabricate evidence sufficient to bring charges against the marines involved? more remarkable would be the 'jihadis' convincing the one marine convicted for the incident to apologize to the families of the people who died that day: http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/convicted-marine-apologizes-iraqi-civilians-15436262#.Ty3X5_nnuuI
also, here's a picture from the scene showing some bodies: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:2005_Marine_Killings_in_Haditha.jpg
kasha34Feb 5, 2012
From your link:
"...failed to win any manslaughter convictions. Eight Marines were initially charged; one was acquitted and six others had their cases dropped."
Cause there was no evidence and no crime.
nickymouseFeb 5, 2012
This type of slang has been used for centuries. Huns, Charlie, Yanks, Reds, Japs, GOKs, Hinny, Rebs, Jerry, Tommy, Dickys, Goombah, etc. Haji is just another military slang word.
johnnysoftwareFeb 5, 2012
Well, Marines cornerstones aside, not killing civilians for pleasure or relaxation is a core principle of code of chivalry/conduct introduced into Western Europe a thousand years ago.
Until then, it was a lot like an anarchist/libertarian utopia. Men didn't take care of their mates, mothers couldn't raise their children alone so the latter ran the streets in huge numbers, and war was about raping/looting/pillaging.
War meant Total War then, and even a small war would sear deep, lasting wounds like you see as the standard in the Middle East.
Terrorism was pushed away by reformations done in the military a thousand years ago. Atrocities against civilians restore us all to our terrorist traditions of warfare.
WTG
FrankLuskaFeb 3, 2012
Keep a going, the world needs to know all truths.
helpingallneedsFeb 4, 2012
Love it! People must be held accountable and deception and lying must stop! The people deserve to know the truth!
nickymouseFeb 5, 2012
The massacre was a phony story.
helpingallneedsFeb 4, 2012
Love it! People must be held accountable and deception and lying must stop! The people deserve to know the truth!
nickymouseFeb 5, 2012
These men were found innocent of murder.
skinturtleFeb 4, 2012
YEAH! Man these guys friggin are the real rebel deal.
TerryMadiFeb 4, 2012
The revolution is almost heeeere!!!!!
kasha34Feb 4, 2012
The "massacre" was another Islamic fraud.
Like the Jenin "massacre." If we can't examine the bodies it didn't f**king happen.
"CAMP PENDLETON -- If investigators can't examine the bodies of 24 unarmed civilians allegedly killed by Camp Pendleton Marines in Haditha in November, building a case against the accused could be difficult, according to two military law authorities.
Families of all the victims have declined U.S. and Iraqi requests to exhume the bodies for autopsy, according to news reports. In most cases, exhumation is prohibited under Islamic law."
http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/lack-of-autopsies-in-haditha-case-presents-challenges/article_c80b4f5b-de22-5399-b371-f1ec207b28ec.html
kasha34Feb 4, 2012
Last I heard, we weren't even allowed to examine the bodies we were told were killed by the Marines.
silentspyderFeb 3, 2012
While looking up more info on this case I found this http://www.frankwuterich.com People still make websites like this!? Reddit looks better.
kasha34Feb 4, 2012
The "massacre" was another Islamic fraud.
Like the Jenin "massacre." If we can't examine the bodies it didn't f**king happen.
"CAMP PENDLETON -- If investigators can't examine the bodies of 24 unarmed civilians allegedly killed by Camp Pendleton Marines in Haditha in November, building a case against the accused could be difficult, according to two military law authorities.
Families of all the victims have declined U.S. and Iraqi requests to exhume the bodies for autopsy, according to news reports. In most cases, exhumation is prohibited under Islamic law."
http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/lack-of-autopsies-in-haditha-case-presents-challenges/article_c80b4f5b-de22-5399-b371-f1ec207b28ec.htmlComment is buried, click here to see the rest.
Closed AccountFeb 4, 2012
really? go after thr guy whos issued the orders!!! not the idiot that acrried them out. anon f'd up. basically the guy carrying out the order will be the scapegoat for them while the moron who issued the orders gets away clean. what a clusterf**k.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
psypher1Feb 4, 2012
I see your point but don't knock this man, it could have been that this might not have ever seen the light of day....
Be thankful to those who are concerned about your Constitutional Freedoms.
republitericratFeb 3, 2012
As a daughter of a Ret. corps vet I am upset at the behavior of these misguided idiots. HOWEVER, to judge these men you need to experience an IED attack. Walk a few hundred miles in their boots in 100 plus degrees in Kevlar. Watch their friends get mangled and killed, or lose their minds in the process.
I find it interesting that someone hiding behind a computer as a hacker would revel in the disgrace of an honorable institution.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
spineshankedFeb 3, 2012
Information should be free. It's not like they reported false information here. Should the public not be able to see this?
sattireattireFeb 4, 2012
Okay, i will agree to that. but then should Anonymous remain anonymous? Should the public not be free to see who is hacking our government institutions? Don't we have the right to know their identities?Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
Ouzel7Feb 4, 2012
Excellent point.
theswashbucklerFeb 4, 2012
Why do you want to know WHO they are (as long as they produce the truth)?
nickymouseFeb 5, 2012
When they steal private information and block a private companies websites they become a criminal organization.
spineshankedFeb 4, 2012
That's not up to me to say. If the group that takes pride in their anonymity wants to reveal themselves, they have every right to do so, or they won't and they're still FREE to be anonymous. Oh, and no we don't have the right to know their identities.
mlw4428Feb 4, 2012
Anon is not and does not represent America. It is not funded by American tax dollars, your questions are irrelevant. As a taxpayer I deserve to know everything my government does at all times.
skinturtleFeb 4, 2012
They are freedom fighters who are keeping a corrupt government in check...because it seems nobody else will.
There's a lot of difference between the reasons anonymous should remain anonymous and this farce they leaked.
nickymouseFeb 5, 2012
If you don't agree with us, prepare to have your information taken and your website blocked.
ErikHaFeb 3, 2012
I understand where you're coming from, but think of the friends and families of the innocent civilians that died that day. It's a shame all the way around.
kasha34Feb 4, 2012
Feel better. There was no massacre. At least, not by Americans.
And the Iraqi friends and families know it.
Freeman_GordonFeb 3, 2012
Misguided idiots? At least they have the decency to reveal things about the United States broken military institution. At least they stand up in ways you would never even think of.
Open your eyes or stay in the heard ya sheep.
haphazardb141Feb 3, 2012
First...
"Open your eyes or stay in the heard ya sheep."
I don't know if you heard, but it's actually spelled herd.
Second...
Get some new slogans ya poser. Every single "awake" individual uses the same tired cliche rally calls.
Third...
Though I agree with the release of this material, anyone claiming that all information should be free to the public needs to end every comment with their real name, address and phone number. If they don't, then they need to shut the hell up.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
Freeman_GordonFeb 3, 2012
Guy, its called a grammatical error. Idk if youve heard but writing my opinion online doesnt mean i have to spell check and analyze every aspect of my online vocabulary.
Second, although the term "awake" is used quite a bit in online chatter, at least its got an connotative meaning that holds truth. Unlike your unoriginal troll like opinion which has to dissect every bit of my grammar.
Third, your last comment makes no sense. Are you saying everyone online should be identified and crucified for giving their opinions on certain matters? If so, then you sound awfully like congress.
haphazardb141Feb 3, 2012
"Idk if youve heard but writing my opinion online doesnt mean i have to spell check and analyze every aspect of my online vocabulary."
Ah, but if you want to be taken seriously, then it sure as hell matters.
"Unlike your unoriginal troll like opinion which has to dissect every bit of my grammar."
I'm sorry, calling someone a sheep for having a dissenting opinion is not in your words "troll-like"?
"Third, your last comment makes no sense. Are you saying everyone online should be identified and crucified for giving their opinions on certain matters?"
No, not at all. What I'm saying is that people with this idea that there should be no secrets and that all information should be open and available should not be hiding under a moniker known as "Anonymous". You're telling me that makes sense?
I stand behind transparency in the government, but I'm realistic in knowing there should be limits to that transparency.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
Freeman_GordonFeb 3, 2012
Lol, you think i dont know the limits of transparency? Its sort of implied that certain information needs to be kept within boundaries but when the government is allowed to do things like this and then keep it a secret something is obviously wrong.
Seeing comments like 'republitericrat''s is a clear representation of the united states success at modern propaganda.
And my final word on your incessant need to focus on my mistake; have you ever heard of a typo? I mean how hard did your elementary teacher bone you if you misspelled something??
haphazardb141Feb 3, 2012
"Seeing comments like 'republitericrat''s is a clear representation of the united states success at modern propaganda."
Seeing comments like yours is a clear representation of political science and philosophy professor's success at anti-establishment propaganda. See, I can paint broad strokes to. Why does someone have to be brainwashed to have an opinion? Maybe republitericrat served in the military or has had family serve. Maybe you've been the victim of a repressed information. Who knows?
" And my final word on your incessant need to focus on my mistake; have you ever heard of a typo? I mean how hard did your elementary teacher bone you if you misspelled something??"
So hypothetically, if my initial response were something like. "Your stoopid, you dont make any cents." You wouldn't latch on to that?Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
skinturtleFeb 4, 2012
The government has no problem in legislating laws to take away everyone elses privacy. Why should they have any? They don't seem to mind having access to my personal info and keep track of my every move.
If my life is to be transparent...by golly theirs will be too.
chadpyleFeb 3, 2012
The mental and emotional anguish experienced by our soldiers is noteworthy but, does not justify murder. They have plenty of opportunities to exact revenge on "legitimate" targets.
I'm friends with several honorable marines, so I know this isn't representative of the Marine Corps as a whole. Soldiers who break protocol like this should not receive special treatment.. on the contrary. Don't forget that the populace of these Middle Eastern nations are watching their friends and loved ones get "mangled and killed" too, in much greater numbers, which only incentivizes more retaliation.. and round and round we go.
UncleRuckuFeb 4, 2012
If our own government was responsible for the deaths of almost a hundred thousand people... would you really want to know?
andromedastarFeb 4, 2012
If?
kasha34Feb 4, 2012
Oh please. Almost all those people killed were killed by fellow Muslims. Not Americans.
sbuckley00Feb 4, 2012
Is being a murderer honorable? Is defending a murderer honorable? We may not agree but the answer is NO it is not. Is it honorable to invade someones country and murder innocent people; all in the name of greed and money? I think not!!! There is nothing honorable about what are current armed forces are doing to other countries and thus with those who defend them.
kasha34Feb 4, 2012
The massacre was a phony story.
So you should feel much better.
sbuckley00Feb 4, 2012
Maybe you have been under a rock for the last decade but the US government is very corrupt at this point. Anything that brings this information to light is a good thing. I agree that war can have some very damaging effects to a persons mental state. However, this does not excuse killing innocent people in any regard.
JLF2035Feb 4, 2012
I don't give a f**k what their situation was, or how many of their friends got blown up. Killing innocent civilians is WRONG!
JLF2035Feb 4, 2012
Would the person who dug me down care to explain how killing civilians is a good thing?
kasha34Feb 4, 2012
What if there were no innocent civilians killed by US Marines? What if the Haditha Massacre was yet another phony Islamic "massacre" story like the Jenin "massacre."Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
daimposterFeb 4, 2012
"HOWEVER, to judge these men you need to experience an IED attack. Walk a few hundred miles in their boots in 100 plus degrees in Kevlar. Watch their friends get mangled and killed, or lose their minds in the process"
That sounds like an excuse for any military personnel to do whatever they want in the battlefront.
Look, what you are explaining can more easily be compared to a man whose wife is killed and he seeks revenge by killing the families of those responsible. Do you think that this man should not be severely punished for killing the families of those responsible?Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
kasha34Feb 4, 2012
Last I heard, we weren't even allowed to examine the bodies of the people the Marine supposedly killed.
kasha34Feb 4, 2012
Haditha Massacre, my ass.
They showed us photos of bodies.
Then they wouldn't let us examine the bodies.
Imagine a court case like that in the US. The judge would bang her gavel and say "Dismissed."
Yet these damn Army prosecutors pursued this phony massacre for six more years. And STILL found everyone not guilty or dropped charges.
johnnysoftwareFeb 5, 2012
habeas corpus
kasha34Feb 5, 2012
That means something different.
We didn't see the bodies. We didn't get to autopsy the bodies.
The hearing should have lasted just long enough to determine that there was no proof that any crime was even committed.