edition.cnn.com — An initial U.N. investigation of a cross-border skirmish between Israel and Lebanon showed Israeli forces were on their own side of the border when Lebanese troops opened fire, United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon (UNIFIL) said Wednesday.
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Closed AccountAug 5, 2010
Not according to Lebanon.
foopirataAug 5, 2010
Wow, not according to Lebanon!
The UN drew the border based on UNSC Resolution 425, after Lebanon declined to participate in the process (since that would amount to an armistice with Israel). I guess if they wanted to have a say in it they should have joined the process.
According to UNIFIL the IDF soldiers were in Israeli territory. Smoke that.
spacem00seAug 6, 2010
UN Resolutions mean nothing to Israel. They serve a purpose when it favors them and ignore others that do not.
Seriously, raiding a ship in International waters killing 9 people? Thats a huge violation of international law, which Israel doesn't care if they violate or not. But Lebanese violating a UN drawn border, OMG THOSE assh**ES! Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
foopirataAug 6, 2010
"UN Resolutions mean nothing to Israel." - but they seem to mean something to the rest of the world, no? Last I checked, Lebanon is not Israel. So if you give Lebanon the right to ignore the UN demarcation, then you better shut up if Israel does the same.
"Seriously, raiding a ship in International waters killing 9 people? Thats a huge violation of international law" - actually, only people ignorant of what international law says still believe that. To wit, former minister of justice and expert in international law Hikmet Sami Turk, who said that the Mavi Marmara should have taken upon itself to procure the proper documents authorizing it to sail in international waters. It did not, however, because the Turkish government, citing the large number of passengers, would not provide the ship with the necessary papers. Thus, he said, the organizers of the flotilla appealed to the Comoro Islands (off the east coast of Africa), whose policy of providing documents of authorization is more liberal and where any document of authorization can be had for the right price (June 4, 2010). [...]According to international naval law, a ship is suspected of not sailing under a national flag, it is legitimate to board [forces] on such a ship, even in time of peace. If a ship flies two or more flags and exploits them for its own interests because it does not belong to a specific nationality, it will be considered a vessel without nationality. The Mavi Marmara was flying the Comoros flag, but [de facto] it was sailing under the Turkish flag. "Under international law, the situation created full legitimization for Israel to board it by force."
wpi97Aug 5, 2010
So, if I understood you correctly, you are saying that Israel must stay on its side of whatever Lebanon considers the Israeli-Lebanese border, no matter what the UN says, right? And if tomorrow Lebanon decides that its border with Israel goes through Haifa or Tel Aviv, then what?
Something tells me that if Canada suddenly decides that its border with the US really goes through Boston, and then a Canadian soldier decides to shoot a US border guard, this will not go over too well.
wakamezakeAug 6, 2010
To be fair Lebanon doesnt have a partner in UN with the power of veto
mweatherAug 6, 2010
When Israel starts recognizing UN borders, I'll give a s**t which side of the UN border they were when fired upon. Deal?
gerbil20Aug 6, 2010
@mweather
And when UN ceases being a mouthpiece of racists and hate mongers and starts fulfilling its mandate of being a honest and impartial international governing body, Israel will listen what it has to say. Deal?
alphalionAug 5, 2010
There appears to be a need for a more clear demarcation.
isnyAug 6, 2010
I suggest a roll of white tape down the middle of the room.
alegoo92Aug 6, 2010
=|
Do you think about what you say before it comes out?
sanmanAug 6, 2010
Hezbollah and the Syrians are afraid of imminent UN indictments for the assassination of former Prime Minister Hariri, so they need to provoke a war in order to rally the Lebanese people behind them.
Also, Iran wouldn't mind a war to distract Israel from knocking out its nuclear facilities
matzahmanAug 6, 2010
Watch this get buried to hell by the anti-israel crowd.
heliumflashAug 6, 2010
Watch this get dugg to the front page by the I-suck-Israeli-c**k crowd.
theswashbucklerAug 6, 2010
Sounds like you're part of the I-suck-Hezbellah-c**k crowd...
nullcodesAug 6, 2010
I dunno am I the only one who sees this whole thing as a comedy. I know people have died, but come if you ignore that .. you have to admit this is a pretty funny situation. Last time I was witness to such playground antics was when Jimmy broke Tommy's nose for calling him a fat rhinoceros.
f**k Israel's government.
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theother1Aug 6, 2010
You gotta admit, Jimmy was a fat rhinoceros.
johnrebAug 6, 2010
Yup, Lebanonese troops firing at Israelis in internationally recognized Israeli territoy is just hysterical, isn't it?
How dare those Israelis stay on their sideof the border.
spacem00seAug 6, 2010
Makes sense to me. Israel shoots anyone who walks NEAR the Gaza/Israel border. Warning shots, followed by sniper kill shots.
Kids, mothers, farmers, not just militants that are killed. To play the game of "Hey now, we didn't do anything to warrant this attack", is kinda lame since the IDF does this all the time to Palestinians along the Gaza border. Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
foopirataAug 6, 2010
Yes...kids playing:
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/12/26/israel.gaza.border/index.html
"A rocket fired by Palestinian militants fell on a Gaza home and killed two children, Palestinian sources said Friday, the same day Israel opened three Gaza border crossings for the first time in 10 days."
Mothers:
http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/195732.php
""May God exterminate Hamas!" screamed the woman in crystal-clear understanding that the terrorist band's reckless, inhuman actions had brought death to her child."
Good thing that the Gazans seem to know better than you.
spacem00seAug 6, 2010
If you want to play the game of who is killing majority of unarmed civilians, your going to lose. The IDF targets anyone walking near the Gaza border and have killed/injured.
While there are many militant attacks, the IDF will target anyone nearby and will kill mothers, children and other unarmed civilians who have nothing to do with the attacks. You could blame Hamas for this all you want, but its the IDF who has the ability to avoid civilian casualties. They are the ones pulling the trigger.
If you think that the IDF doesnt target unarmed civilians along the border, man you got rocks for brains.
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foopirataAug 6, 2010
"If you want to play the game of who is killing majority of unarmed civilians" - again you and your ruler fixation? It's not a matter of who's killing how many. It is a matter of who's doing the killing. Why, look how apropos:
http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=183846
"camp residents told The Media Line that Hamas was using the house to store weapons. Neighbors said that in the past they had appealed to Hamas to cease their activities in the camp, but were quickly silenced."
"but its the IDF who has the ability to avoid civilian casualties" - oh, do tell us how to do it and I am sure we'll implement it right away. Do you think we have some kind of "Hamas-only-searching-smart-bomb" ? Thanks for the credit, but unfortunately for the Gazans (who are smarter than you and know that Hamas close by puts them in danger not of their choosing), that is not part of the IDF arsenal.
Interesting that none of the "children" your site mentions was near the border at the time. But let's see how Hamas likes their own children:
http://newsblaze.com/story/20081229092838zzzz.nb/topstory.html
"A Hamas representative in the PA legislative council this year expressed pride in the fact that women and children are used as human shields in fighting Israel. He described it as part of a "death industry" at which Palestinians excel, and explained that the Palestinians "desire death" with the same intensity that Israelis "desire life."
The following is the full text of the comments by Hamas representative Fathi Hamad: "For the Palestinian people death became an industry, at which women excel and so do all people on this land: the elderly excel, the Jihad fighters excel, and the children excel. Accordingly [Palestinians] created a human shield of women, children, the elderly and the Jihad fighters against the Zionist bombing machine, as if they were saying to the Zionist enemy: We desire death as you desire life.""
Don't blame Israel for Hamas' own murderous 'tactics'.
trashyamericanAug 6, 2010
who gives a s**t?
ebcreasonerAug 6, 2010
not you!
eraptorAug 6, 2010
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD!!! Will the hysterics over religion and land EVER end in the Middle East?
Considering the lunacy of the violence, settle the differences with a brutal UFC tournament once and for all. "Last man standing" calls the shots on borders and residency. It's bloody, quick and DECISIVE.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
theother1Aug 6, 2010
The only way violence in the middle east will stop is when the entire middle east is turned into a solid sheet of glass.
diggchinasworldAug 6, 2010
call that the "six days war" where Israel kicked some ass.
malinensAug 6, 2010
Digg is being controlled by organized groups of people (I have heard only right-wing groups but maybe there are left wing organized groups) which bury/digg articles in a group so only their opinion gets published. Digg should control more these groups so digg readers can get better information not only info what these groups want to show for very big Digg audience...Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
malinensAug 6, 2010
Why burry my stuff?
here's link:
http://blogs.alternet.org/oleoleolson/2010/08/05/massive-censorship-of-digg-uncovered/
antifolderrAug 6, 2010
f**k Israel.
foopirataAug 6, 2010
Many tried. None succeeded.
It must drive you nuts, eh?
worldofsmutAug 6, 2010
Go ahead and try. But you might want to read this first:
http://ebaumnation.com/2009/05/07/jews
odkinAug 6, 2010
The Palestine-uber-alles crowd that dominates Digg will bury this into submission.
If there is any crowd that is organized in their efforts to Digg up what they like, and bury what they don't, it's the leftist anti-Israel crowd. And anything that says "Israel was right and terrorists were wrong" is intolerable to leftists.
If you want to really see hate, racism, and paranoia spend some time lurking around articles mentioning Israel at Daily Kos or Huffington Post.
FYI, not Jewish, just pro-American.
leo78Aug 6, 2010
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schnikies79Aug 6, 2010
No, the majority of digg are teenagers that don't know their ass from a hole in the ground. They are not educated on politics, they follow group think.
For the record, I lean left, but I'm not a democrat.
toffeecAug 6, 2010
WTF does that have to do with the Palestinians? It's strange that you had to make a point to mention them and call their sympathizers anti-Israel leftists. Issues much?Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
whatthefuAug 6, 2010
Pro-American means you don't support a country so fanatically that it is a detriment to American security and interests.
sndreamAug 6, 2010
"UNIFIL said Wednesday that the tree was in Israeli territory."
By south side it mean inside Israeli border.
raananhAug 6, 2010
The border fence is in the Israeli territory. That way, Israel can patrol both sides of the fence.
Actually, it's more important to patrol the "enemy side" of the fence than the Israeli side.
It's a terrible idea to have a fence exactly on the border line.
Also, fyi, there's a buffer zone between the fence and the Lebanese territory.
If you were in the army, you would understand why it's done that way.
Let's no argue: UNFIL says it was in the Israeli side.
foopirataAug 6, 2010
Actually the reason why there is a buffer zone is not so the fence can be patrolled from both sides - it is so that anyone trying to bypass the fence can be challenged and potentially neutralized when standing on Israel's side of the Blue Line, therefore, after an actual infiltration has already happened; this way, cross-border incidents are rare.
evilkrustydollAug 6, 2010
This was clearly an attack by Hezbollah sympathetics embedded in the Lebanese army. The Lebanese army stayed out of the last conflict and sat on the sidelines in the 80s during the civil war as well, why would they all of a sudden engage Israel in a fight?
Closed AccountAug 6, 2010
Because they loved those trees.
evilkrustydollAug 6, 2010
Well they do have a cedar on their flag...
leouklaAug 6, 2010
Unprovoked aggression and murder, something Israel has had to deal with for decades. Will there be a UN investigation, or are those reserved for Israel actions only?
worldofsmutAug 6, 2010
The UN is savagely anti-Israel, so when they say something positive about Israel, you'd better listen.
Meanwhile, UNIFIL, the UN forces in Lebanon, who sat silent while Hezbollah built rocket launchers in areas under their supervision, goes to show yet again how pointless the UN actually is in avoiding conflict.
Someone call Hans Brix.
worldofsmutAug 6, 2010
Lebanon used to be described as the "Paris of the Middle East".
It is now a wasteland, having been entirely f**ked up by Islamists who have driven many of the Christian Lebanese away.
Everything the Islamists touch, turns to s**t.
Gaza has some of the best beachfront real estate in the world. But given the choice between building hotels or killing Jews, it's obvious which one the Islamists will choose, every time.
toffeecAug 6, 2010
WTF are you talking about? The civil war in Lebanon had nothing to do with Islamism. The civil war spent a long time coming and it was the result of a multitude of factors, but not amongst them Islamism.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
worldofsmutAug 6, 2010
Muslims have trashed Lebanon. Bottom line.
toffeecAug 6, 2010
What's your point? Yes,.the leading cause of the civil war was a lot of 400 000 Palestinian refugees who were majoritarily Muslims, to whom the Sunni Muslims in Lebanon were sympathetic. The only role of religion in this conflict was to have created two communities within the country, Islam shouldn't be singled out here. In fact the vast majority of Lebanese Muslims were motivated by a desire to join the Arab League and embrace Arab nationalism, a purely secular movement.
To look at the situation and merely point out one side was Muslim is like looking at the situation in Cuba or Zimbabwe and observing that they are Christians. It totally misses the point and the more important elements that have contributed to the current situation.
frccAug 6, 2010
Very informative if you believe the UN has any credibility.
ebcreasonerAug 6, 2010
I hope they do.
sudopinionAug 6, 2010
FUN FACTS:
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FACT: Israel practices apartheid.
FACT: Islam is only compatible with modern western civilization when it is oppressed.
FACT: Israel has only made peace with it's neighbors after dominating them in war.
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sanmanAug 6, 2010
FACT: none of the neighbors practices modern statesmanship and only prefer medieval slaughter of adversaries, so there's nobody there to negotiate with
sudopinionAug 6, 2010
Lol...negotiate.
Dak dak dak dak dak!!!!!!
wpi97Aug 6, 2010
"FACT: Israel practices apartheid."
FALSE
"FACT: Islam is only compatible with modern western civilization when it is oppressed. "
HUH?.. what does that even mean?
"FACT: Israel has only made peace with it's neighbors after dominating them in war."
FALSE. The actual fact is that two of Israel's neighbors, Egypt and Jordan, have agreed to make peace with Israel after they had tried to destroy it multiple times and had got their asses handed to them.
sudopinionAug 7, 2010
Oh man. You're hella dumb. LOL.
wpi97Aug 8, 2010
"You're hella dumb."
And you are saying that I am new to English?
Your first claim is false, your second claim makes no sense, and your third claim is misleading. While we are on the subject of the English language, I suggest you look up the meaning of the word "fact".
Closed AccountAug 6, 2010
When someone's wrong they are wrong, and apparently the Labonese were wrong in this case. But, will anybody stand up to the fact that Israel blatantly disregards any UN resolution against it and the US unequivocally vetoes any resolution brought against Israel, just or unjust? There has to be some balance. This is the reason why a lot of Muslims have a hatred towards the west. The religion does not compel them to hate the west and it is definitely not the freedom enjoyed by the westerners. There is no denying that they do not agree with the western cultural values and moralities but believe me that is not a reason compelling enough for them to make them want to blow up themselves.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
gerbil20Aug 6, 2010
Why would somebody pay heed to resolutions that are blatantly one-sided and harass you regardless of guilt of innocense? How about UN stops being a tool of racist hate mongers and actually starts fullfilling its mandate of being a honest and impartial international body?
wpi97Aug 6, 2010
"When someone's wrong they are wrong, and apparently the Labonese were wrong in this case. "
Thank you. Now please look up UNSC Resolution 1701, and see how it is being blatantly violated by Hezbollah.
"But, will anybody stand up to the fact that Israel blatantly disregards any UN resolution against it"
Please cite binding UN resolutions that Israel has actually violated.
"There has to be some balance."
Indeed. If you actually objectively look at the media, you will see that one person killed by the Israeli army, irrespective of the circumstances, gets about as much media attention as a thousand people killed by anybody else in the world. Israel's actions receive an unprecedented level of scrutiny, and it is often condemned for actions that are considered entirely acceptable for many other nations. There absolutely has to be some balance.
silverbluenoteAug 6, 2010
this would have been dugg to death if the situation was reversed.
newcastle9Aug 6, 2010
http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/fotostrecke-57819-11.html look at thios pic and tell me who was inside Lebanon territory
raananhAug 6, 2010
The border fence is in the Israeli territory. That way, Israel can patrol both sides of the fence.
Actually, it's more important to patrol the "enemy side" of the fence than the Israeli side.
It's a terrible idea to have a fence exactly on the border line.
Also, fyi, there's a buffer zone between the fence and the Lebanese territory.
If you were in the army, you would understand why it's done that way.
Let's no argue: UNFIL says it was in the Israeli side.
bemenakerAug 6, 2010
Why cut down the tree? Why not just move the freakin camera?
wpi97Aug 6, 2010
Why should Israel justify the act of cutting a tree on its own soil?
mouskyAug 6, 2010
"Now there's no more oak oppression,
For they passed a noble law,
And the trees are all kept equal
By hatchet, axe, and saw."