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dinglebuttAug 23, 2010
put up a muhammad art exhibit instead, so that everyone is equally pissed.
hetmanAug 23, 2010
Also someone wants to build a gay bar there. That will piss both Christians and muslims off equally.
admdrewAug 23, 2010
in lieu of an actual gay bar, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTN6Du3MCgI
xsecretfilesAug 23, 2010
Isn't there a strip club already nearby? Shouldn't that already pissed both Muslims and Christians?
spinningheadAug 23, 2010
Fox hasn't told its viewers to be angry about the strip club yet.
snypaAug 24, 2010
As a muslim living in the UK, I can honestly say a sense of relief comes to mind knowing that there a solid and sizeable group of Americans supporting the right to religion for ALL followers or non-followers of a religion.
It's truely sickening to see it's the most bigoted and intolerant voices who scream the loudest, and not meaning to sound naive, but it's great to see unity on the side of the righteous who are upholding the rights to freedom of religion, muslim or not.
Also, I know how anti-religion digg can be, but it's great to see that those who hate religion at least support the right of others to love it.
shutupflandersAug 23, 2010
You mean like Piss Christ? Yeah, I'm sure that the Muslims would handle that as peacefully as Christians did.
/s
dinglebuttAug 23, 2010
"the piss of christ"
"amen"
*priest pulls down pants*
*line of people shuffles forward*
ghostwoAug 23, 2010
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piss_Christ
ghostwoAug 23, 2010
They should put in a machine that grinds small children and kittens into a putrid-smelling, runny paste then sprays it on random passerby. It would piss off anyone and everyone equally, making this whole community center 'issue' moot.
eshinnAug 23, 2010
Here, I googled this for ya:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Find+a+Psychiatric+ward+near+you&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=
dinglebuttAug 23, 2010
i'm the random passerby
hutch619Aug 23, 2010
I am aghast at this proposal. I can't believe you would waste good meat like this instead of making meat pie factory. They've already implemented this idea in New Jersey.
http://www.whybake.com/locations.cfm
retrodigg123Aug 23, 2010
"Show some sensitivity and put a gap between this mosque and ground zero!"
There is a gap and its 2 f**king blocks wide!
slapdedAug 23, 2010
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nubnubAug 23, 2010
win
Closed AccountAug 23, 2010
why would they put a gap between the mosque and ground zero when there's already a gap about two blocks away?
it's also a banana republic, so that's just stupid.
plainoldfoolAug 23, 2010
But does it have an Old Navy? Hmmmmmmmm?!?
dinglebuttAug 23, 2010
what's the conversion from city blocks to goatse gaps?
asimpledadAug 23, 2010
How is it two blocks wide? Friggen landing gear fell into the building they want to tear down to build their center for followers of the murderer Mohammad (Jesus never ordered cities conquered, Mohammad did). When something is hit by a weapon (In this case, a plane as a missile) isn't it technically ground zero?Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
kornbred79Aug 23, 2010
So are we going to hold the same reverence for all the buildings near the WTC site that were hit by debris?
I mean, the debris cloud drifted all the way to Brooklyn, is that hollowed ground too?
iamnotcreativeAug 23, 2010
No, it's probably pretty solid.
vectorbAug 23, 2010
So its better off sitting as an empty husk of a building because it go hit by debris? Or is putting back to a Burlington Coat Factory a more fitting monument to tolerance and an America that is not afraid to stand up to terrorism and refuse to let them change who we are, which is a country built on religious tolerance.
Stop using the tragedies of others to force your personal fears on the rest of us. That is the real terrorism.
velvetonefusionAug 23, 2010
Because that's how physics works, friend. That massive of an explosion that high up in the air will send all kinds of stuff all kinds of places
Technically speaking.
bulletbillxAug 23, 2010
Jesus' daddy sure did order stuff conquered.
nycjapAug 23, 2010
Thank you for demonstrating once again that this has nothing to do with "sensitivity" or "reaching out" and it is *all about* religious intolerance, hate and discrimination.
hutch619Aug 23, 2010
Ever heard of Sodom and Gomorrah?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodom_and_Gomorrah
jceezAug 23, 2010
O RLY
13 that scoundrels among you are leading their fellow citizens astray by saying, ‘Let us go worship other gods’—gods you have not known before. 14 In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find that the report is true and such a detestable act has been committed among you, 15 you must attack that town and completely destroy[a] all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. 16 Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the open square and burn it. Burn the entire town as a burnt offering to the Lord your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. 17 Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the Lord will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a large nation, just as he swore to your ancestors.
18 “The Lord your God will be merciful only if you listen to his voice and keep all his commands that I am giving you today, doing what pleases him.
Deuteronomy 13:13-19
badgerbusAug 24, 2010
ASimpleDad is pretty funny, he goes around posting verifiably false things, then (most likely) never goes to see if anyone responds to his comments. Because, really, when you're spreading disinformation you know you'll lose an argument, it's all about casting as wide of a net as possible.
I bet he's posted the same/a very similar comment over 10 times to this story alone.
oxidaneAug 23, 2010
You could fit a lot of c**ks in that gap...don't they realize this?
tyrghastAug 23, 2010
This is the dumbest thing I've seen large numbers of people get angry about.
jkeledgewoodAug 23, 2010
I just laughed very hard
sgc1020Aug 23, 2010
more like a football field. A mosque isn't really needed in the Muslim religion, so they are getting upset just to be upset.
hetmanAug 23, 2010
Who s**t on the little kids cereal? He looks pissed.
gsydiggerAug 23, 2010
no he's just a bigot
oxidaneAug 23, 2010
How can you be a bigot at age 9? He doesn't even know what the f**k he's talking about, his parents just brainwashed him.
Closed AccountAug 23, 2010
Even if you've been brainwashed to be a bigot, you're unfortunately still a bigot...
martoqAug 23, 2010
And you guys are judgmental douches making presumptions from a single photo. Do you have any idea what is transpiring between the two because I certainly don't. For all you know that 9 year old could have lost someone close to him in 9/11 and for a 9 year old, that's a complex emotion to have to deal with and likely he will fall back on wanting to blame someone.
Digg me down if you want but it's just a picture and your immediately putting your positions into it which is bulls**t.
testiculeseAug 23, 2010
If he is 9, then he was nowhere near old enough to even remember whoever was lost.
It would also be the same emotion as if his cereal got soggy.
cdnphotoAug 23, 2010
his FOX News watching parents, that's who.
eshinnAug 23, 2010
I wouldn't be surprised if Glenn Beck did a bit on the chalkboard exposing a love triangle between Lucky the Leprechaun, Captain Crunch & Hitler.
bdog2g2Aug 23, 2010
^
Well Captain Crunching, being what appears to be a pirate, is most likely socialist.
anarcurtAug 23, 2010
He's in NYC so he just realised how much his home in West Virginia sucks.
outlawstar13Aug 24, 2010
Everywhere has its up- and downsides. Don't be an assh**e.
krysisAug 23, 2010
Prime example of parents teaching their children hate. He probably wouldn't give two s**ts either way if mommy and daddy didn't.
Closed AccountAug 23, 2010
Especially when you consider he wasn't even one year old when the 9/11 attacks happened.
Makes you think about how much of our worlds views are shaped not by the events themselves, but how society and media remember them.
woodrow177Aug 27, 2010
If you really want to see parents teaching children to hate attend a Mosque in an Area ruled by the Palestinians. You will see parents teaching their kids to put on sucide vests and watching Cartoons which teach children to Hate Jews. Then they may go out later and launch a few rockets into Israel to see if they can kill an unsuspecting Jewish family.
Closed AccountAug 23, 2010
Am I the only one who finds it absolutely sickening when parents get their children involved in rallies like this? It's bad enough that a good chunk of American children are being raised to be ignorant bigots, but having five- or nine-year-olds used as a cheap attempts to add sentimentality to your personal political, social, or religions stance is just beyond all justification.
namcoAug 23, 2010
Kid: "Daddy, what's a mosque?"
Dad: "Well son, that's a place where they teach terrorists how to strap on bombs and bomb 'merica. Fox News said they tryin' a build one right next to ground zero so they can just open up the front door and piss right on the graves of our firemen and policemen."
Kid: "Oh my god, really?"
Dad: "Yup, and they're going to get their way with that Obama in office. They gonna build mosques completely surroundin' ground zero and them muslims are gonna be in our back yard blowin us up left and right unless we do somethin!"
/sadly probably not sarcastic
rumbeefAug 23, 2010
That's why I homeschool my kids, to keep em away from your tolerance.
torrangeAug 23, 2010
I disagree with teh message they are teaching the kid, but I do not disagree with getting your kid involved. If you feel strongly enough about something, that is going to begin to wear off on teh child and they will want to be involved.
I do lots of volunteer work with the beaches and ocean and always bring my kids. They hear my frustration with environmental policies and want to be involved. I brought them when I was protesting offshore drilling because they wanted to be involved and they were a large part of the reason I was there.
I think the same can be said for parents who live by hate and bigotry. In their minds they are doing what they believe is right and they want to teach their kids.
woodrow177Aug 27, 2010
Kid: "Hey Daddy, what's a mosque?"
Dad: "Well son, that's a place where they teach terrorists how to strap on bombs and bomb 'merica. Fox News said they tryin' a build one right next to ground zero so they can just open up the front door and piss right on the graves of our firemen and policemen."
Kid: "Oh my god, really?"
Dad: " Yes son Muslims follow the example of Muhammad the religion's founder. Muhammad spread his religion through what muslims call Jihad. Jihad is a war against non believers. That is why Muslims kill and persecute Christians and others all throughout the Middle East and around the world.
Kid: " I thought all religions were peaceful since they believe in God and probably don't want people to act bad."
Dad: " Son Islam is a religion based upon Muhammads sayings and actions. Since Muhammad was a warrior much of what he says is about how to kill the enemy. That is why you see muslims at War in many areas of the world. They don't want freedom in countries like Iraq and Afghanistan because if they had freedom then they could choose not to be Muslim. Muslims want to enact sharia law around the world. In Afghanistan when it was ruled by the Taliban they had sharia law and women could not leave the home without a male family member. Women could not be educated. Music was illegal and you couldn't even go out and fly a kite on a windy day.
Kid: I know a muslim at my school and he is nice.
Dad: Some muslims just ignore the call to Violence against the Infidel. Other muslims are Cafeteria Muslims who pick and choose which parts of the religion they want to follow. The problem occurs when they decide they want to get deeper in their religion and find that they are supposed to give the infidel the chance to repent and become a Muslim, Pay a tax and be a second class citizen or be killed. They are justified in killing the infidel because the Infidel is going to burn in hell anyway.
Son: Why aren't Christians violent?
Dad: Christians have been violent in the past but for the most part Christians follow the example of Jesus who was a carpenter. Jesus preached and lived a life of love for his fellow Man. When christians have looked to the new testament for direction they can't find a passage where Jesus comands a follower to kill the non believer. So even though Christians have acted Violently in the past their in no justification for Violence by Jesus who is the example Christians follow.
Son: Are the Muslims going to build a Mosque at ground Zero.
Dad: It they were sensitive to the American people they wouldn't. Islam is about conquering the world and implementing Sharia Law. To build a Mosque on the sight of Islams greatest victory against the west would be a triumph for Muslims around the world. Yes they are going to try son. If the American people can find legal ways to stop the Mosque that would be great. The first step is to participate in Democracy and show our politicians we don't want a Mosque at ground Zero. Once we do that in Great numbers our law makers will get to work trying to find legal and constitutional means to Block the Mosque
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namcoAug 23, 2010
Kid: "Daddy, what's a mosque?"
Dad: "Well son, that's a place where they teach terrorists how to strap on bombs and bomb 'merica. Fox News said they tryin' a build one right next to ground zero so they can just open up the front door and piss right on the graves of our firemen and policemen."
Kid: "Oh my god, really?"
Dad: "Yup, and they're going to get their way with that Obama in office. They gonna build mosques completely surroundin' ground zero and them muslims are gonna be in our back yard blowin us up left and right unless we do somethin!"
/sadly probably not sarcastic
MillerBartAug 23, 2010
I guess you didn't know that the New York Police Department issued a report warning that Wahhabi mosques in America were incubators for homegrown Islamic radicals.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
Closed AccountAug 23, 2010
some wacko parents brought their kid all the way up from west virginia to protest an islamic community center? and i spot a boston red sox cap in the anti-"mosque" crowd.
how many are not new yorkers? and of the new yorkers, how many are staten island bigots?
acknotswAug 23, 2010
It must be nice to have the time and resources to travel around the country to find s**t to be pissed about.
erkokiteAug 23, 2010
Yes, well you can do that when you are retired.
acknotswAug 24, 2010
@erkokite
Good point, that's what many senior's should put on their list of hobbies.
Closed AccountAug 23, 2010
new york is every american's city
Closed AccountAug 23, 2010
I thought NYC was not part of the "real" America....
thejackylAug 23, 2010
It's not my city. I hate that place.
jnismeAug 23, 2010
Speak for yourself. It's not my city.
random314Aug 23, 2010
It's my city and I'm looking forward to the pool.
designerutahAug 23, 2010
No it's not. For most people in the U.S., New York is nothing but images on screen or print. For some, it's a once in a lifetime visit. But most Americans have no real life experience of New York (living there for more than a week).
elranzerAug 23, 2010
Funny how redneck conservatives all claim to hate NYC and its "elitist" leftists ways, but Ground Zero is basically a crutch for their anti-Muslim bigotry.
Closed AccountAug 23, 2010
That is some bulls**t right there. You can't take "real American" bigotry and ignorance and transplant them to a place you've only seen in movies and claim that you have some right to defend New Yorkers from the dirty A-rabs.
It's my city, and I'd like nothing more than to have these incredibly stupid hate-mongering fools stay the hell away from New York and stop trying to argue for us. Muslims are all over the place, and denying them a community center doesn't exactly just make them disappear.
thatsmyaiboAug 23, 2010
Why is mosque in parenthesis? I'm not against having the Islamic center there in honor of the constitutional right to exercise freedom of religion in this country but there IS going to be a mosque in there. I don't know why people keep arguing that there won't be.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
pintomp3Aug 23, 2010
They have prayer rooms in the Pentagon too. Does that make the Pentagon a mosque?
remf3Aug 23, 2010
Hospitals have chapels, does that make them a church?
shutupflandersAug 23, 2010
It makes that part of the hospital a church, yeah. So if you said, "they're building a church", technically, you'd be correct.
vsxd412Aug 23, 2010
You're either a lawyer or a teenage as those are the only groups people who really get hung up on technicalities. The rest of us look at the bigger picture and don't exploit small details in support of our cause.
elranzerAug 23, 2010
Except that you're quite wrong, shutupflanders.
thatsmyaiboAug 23, 2010
So every mainstream media outlet and our President say it's a mosque...what do Diggers know that they don't?
http://abcnews.go.com/WN/president-obama-supports-building-mosque-ground/story?id=11401964
Also check USA Today, LA Times, etc... I'm not against the cultural center but it is a mosque plain and simple.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
jon30041Aug 23, 2010
It isn't a mosque, it's a community center. Like the YMCA.
Closed AccountAug 23, 2010
With a mosque in it.....
Closed AccountAug 23, 2010
No, no mosque is inside of the center. There's a prayer room, not a mosque; there's a difference.
shutupflandersAug 23, 2010
It's not just a mosque. It's the Super Allah Islamic Center and Falafel Emporium.
jon30041Aug 23, 2010
Man, I hope it IS like a Y so I can hit up that falafel emporium!
acknotswAug 23, 2010
Do you have a source on that? Not doubting, it's just that every thing I've seen and read has described it pretty clearly as a community center and mosque.
elranzerAug 23, 2010
YMCA = Young Men's *Christian* Association
Is the YMCA a church? If so, why do the Village People love it so much?
thecoffeeAug 23, 2010
Because in the 70's is was a popular place for gay men to hook up.
trythinking1stAug 23, 2010
Is it a community center that is ONLY for Muslims? That's a little intolerant isn't it?
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zidane360Aug 23, 2010
What if it is only a Mosque? Does it automatically make it a place for harboring extremists?
lostngoneAug 23, 2010
What law/s are they breaking by building this community center at that location?
cdnphotoAug 23, 2010
The law that states that you have a freedom of religion, unless your religion is not Christian.
stormwernAug 23, 2010
None, and noone ever said they did.
lostngoneAug 23, 2010
Good, lets move along then.
enderwigginAug 23, 2010
Who's "noone"?
I see him mentioned all the time; must be an important fellow.
acknotswAug 23, 2010
None, but some idiots don't believe in equal protection under the law. IMHO, it's a bad idea to build it there, but I support their right to make what I consider to be a bad decision. Just be careful what you wish for, there are plenty of lunatics out there that will be itching to deface the property or worse.
renorkAug 23, 2010
I can not wait to see the reactions when some group of retard zealots firebombs the place and get brought up on terrorism charges.
Closed AccountAug 23, 2010
@Renork
MY LIFE FOR AIUR... ERR... ZION!
asimpledadAug 23, 2010
What law states that people's freedom of speech (in this case, their right to point out how much they dislike the idea of this building) is trumped by a religion? People's free speech should not be limited just because they are complaining about religion.
vsxd412Aug 23, 2010
I don't think anyone has said that those in opposition are breaking any law. Where the hell did that even come from?
truebluejp90Aug 23, 2010
They have every right to state their opinions. And we have every right to call them out for being the ignorant bigots they are. That's how this works.
lostngoneAug 23, 2010
@ASimpleDadASimpleDad: You are coming from left field here??? There is no law that trumps freedom of speech when it comes to religion.
However, you didn't answer my question.
stingwolfAug 23, 2010
"What law/s are they breaking by building this community center at that location?"
If the issue was legality, then opponents would simply call the authorities and have the project shut down. The reason there are protesters is because it's legal, but they don't like it. Not siding with them, just saying that the issue is not legality.
zidane360Aug 23, 2010
Apparently, the law of Christianity. Don't you know that's the only freedom here?
woodrow177Aug 23, 2010
Good point. Planning and building the Mosque there would not be illegal. But stopping the Mosque from being built through legal means is also not illegal or an infringement on Religious freedom.
If the gov. Made a law saying that muslim cannot build mosques that would be an infringement on their religous freedom.
Gov. makes decisions on what is built and where all the time. Zoning laws and Eminent Domain Eminent domain is the inherent power of the state to seize a citizen's private property, expropriate property, or seize a citizen's rights in property with due monetary compensation, but without the owner's consent. The property is taken either for government use or by delegation to third parties who will devote it to public or civic use or, in some cases, economic development.
meninostongueAug 23, 2010
Funny, I couldn't see ground zero in the background of any of those photos... it's almost as if it can't even be seen from there.
asimpledadAug 23, 2010
Funny that you can claim this when this building was HIT by landing gear from one of the airplanes.
kornbred79Aug 23, 2010
And?
Almost all the buildings around the WTC were hit by debris, either from the planes or from the buildings. I don't see people making a huge over every building in that area being "hollowed ground".
yodanationAug 23, 2010
If that's your argument, you should call for the closing down most of lower Manhattan. But, I suspect you wouldn't have a problem with any other building on that block being changed into some like, let's say, a Mc Donald's
archiesteelAug 23, 2010
If it didn't collapse, then it's not Ground Zero.
delihoundAug 23, 2010
Where the WTC center stood is called "Ground Zero" because "In the case of an explosion above the ground, ground zero refers to the point on the ground directly below an explosion."
The Oxford English Dictionary, citing the use of the term in a 1946 New York Times report on the destroyed city of Hiroshima, defines "ground zero" as "that part of the ground situated immediately under an exploding bomb, especially an atomic one."
This location is more like "Ground 600."
bdog2g2Aug 23, 2010
f**king Physics! How does it work?!
carf4ceAug 23, 2010
you got dugg down ha ha... what the hell?
badgerbusAug 24, 2010
Ok ASimpleDad, why don't you grab the photos and use a photo editing program to point out the site of the world trade center in the photos then post the result here?
I wont be holding my breath for a response.
elranzerAug 23, 2010
Shhh! Your facts and logic are gonna spoil Fox News' pathetic attempt to use this story to get Republican votes this November.
Not gonna work, though.
factorof13Aug 23, 2010
I don't want to live on this planet anymore.
joshyleearmAug 23, 2010
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kohraiyuAug 23, 2010
Rock 'em Sock 'em Religion?
bdog2g2Aug 23, 2010
Sounds like the plot for Micheal Bay's next film...wait wat....Transformers 3?
zephcAug 23, 2010
Why can't they join a mainstream religion, like Oprahism, or Voodoo?
thejackylAug 23, 2010
This world brings me down/I look forward to death
RhionAug 23, 2010
I understand you very good, because I think the same
samurai77Aug 23, 2010
Do you have a spaceship and how much are tickets?
scuba7183Aug 23, 2010
It's depressing how much I want to use this quote every day
tomt127Aug 23, 2010
Bye
pintomp3Aug 23, 2010
Do these idiots not know that they already have prayers in that building? Perhaps they really oppose pools and auditoriums?
bracomadarAug 23, 2010
If he isn't already dead, Osama Bin Laden is probably in a cave somewhere, laughing his ass off.
savethemindAug 23, 2010
and he didn't have to do anything.
ecoreAug 23, 2010
Except join the CIA.
savethemindAug 23, 2010
true but we're talking about 9/11 and the fact that he had nothing to do with it.
Closed AccountAug 23, 2010
I've always wondered if those tin-foil hats itched. Seems like they would.
savethemindAug 23, 2010
i dont know, i've never seen anyone wear one to ask.
Closed AccountAug 23, 2010
@savethemind
Ok kiddo. Time to go play, the adults are talking here.
savethemindAug 23, 2010
right ok, the "arabs" attacked us on 9/11.
mossad, conquer by deception.
Closed AccountAug 24, 2010
You eat a big ole bowl of dumb for breakfast, boy?
sirsleepalotAug 23, 2010
You mean anyone who is rich, and or hates America are laughing their ass off while they sip expensive coffee in gold trimmed chairs.
denizen42Aug 23, 2010
The moral decay helped him alot.
gndoabAug 23, 2010
Anyone notice how 99% (just a guesstimate) of the people that oppose this building *aren't even from lower manhattan?"
What right do these people have to say what goes on in a neighborhood that isn't even theirs??
People do live where this center is being built, enough people to warrant the construction of the thing.
Closed AccountAug 23, 2010
9/11 happened to the entire country, not just new yorkers
gndoabAug 23, 2010
Nope. it happened to New York City and DC, and a rural farm in Pennsylvania. There is a reason why, too. They wanted to attack people with power.
Sorry, bumf**knowhere arkansas isn't a terrorist target.
and it's still not your neighborhood to say who can do what.
hetmanAug 23, 2010
It always seem like the people most obsessed with terrorism live in places where there is never going to be an attack.
joculatorAug 23, 2010
Ground Zero is a symbol for the entire country...in some ways the entire world. OBL and his sympathizers meant it to be a message to the entire West. Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
rpatrick819Aug 23, 2010
I'd say NYC/DC/etc are obviously most affected, but I don't think it's wrong to say it happened to all of us.
Can anyone really say 9/11 hasn't been a catalyst for change over this entire country, specifically with the wars we are now fighting, the over-reach of government, and the freedoms we've been losing year after year since then?
gndoabAug 23, 2010
No it's not. it's a place where two business zoned towers were in new york city.
people live and work there. if you make it into a symbol, that's your own delusion.
Closed AccountAug 23, 2010
hey kinerry, can you give us a list of casualtyies from the devastating Topeka KS attack on 9/11?
f**king idiot
saltydawkinsAug 23, 2010
It effected the whole country, but it happened to NYC and DC. Mostly NYC.
assassyn360Aug 23, 2010
Timothy McVeigh scouted a 40-story federal building in Little Rock Arkansas before he chose the one in Oklahoma. Since we are talking about terrorists. Obviously the attack never happened. But to assume a location is not a target is plain stupid, or you are clairvoyant... I doubt the latter.
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gndoabAug 23, 2010
Muslim terrorists, since we're talking about a mosque, and not some anti-government nutjob, want to attack people in power. hence why they chose the WTC and the pentagon (and whatever the heck the other flight was supposed to target). If you worked in the WTC, you were rich. it was new york city's version of a gated community. Likewise, if you worked in the pentagon, you were in control of the military.
They wanted to kill people with influence. Bumf**knowhere arkansas, or oklahoma city, aren't excactly filled with people that are either rich or powerful, otherwise, they wouldn't live in oklahoma city or bumf**knowhere arkansas.
they are called fly-over counties for a reason.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
joculatorAug 23, 2010
Are you on some serious drugs..."if you worked in the WTC - you were rich..."
You are too f**king retarded to continue this debate with.
roebeetAug 23, 2010
So how far away is far enough for Muslims to congregate, near Ground Zero? 3 blocks? A mile? 50 miles? Give us a number so that we can add that as a Constitutional Amendment to keep "those people" in line.
Hell, we do it for pedophiles, so what not Muslims? Aren't they just as dangerous?
gndoabAug 23, 2010
short of the janitorial staff, and the security, if you worked in the WTC, you were rich.
Working in a symbolic tower, in the middle of the financial district, with a view of the entire island of manhattan and brooklyn? yeah, I'd say it costs a lot of cash to lease office space in a place like that.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
joculatorAug 23, 2010
You have no f**king clue what you're talking about...it's pretty obvious. Do you know how many offices there were @ the WTC and surrounding area that was devastated?
You're 19 years and live with Mom in Oregon, right?
gndoabAug 23, 2010
Nope, but I did live on water street for a few months.
I'll give you a hint, it's in the financial district.
phaedrynAug 23, 2010
The terrorists on 9/11 were not striking at people of power. There were striking at, what they perceived as, symbols of America's power. They couldn't give two s**ts who was in the buildings, as long as there were a lot of them. The World Trade Center represented our financial power, the Pentagon was a secondary target (much easier to find and hit, from the air, than the Whitehouse) represented our military power. Those attacks were attacks against the country, not specific people.
Ironically, had they understood us better, they would actually HAVE targeted bumbf**knowhere. Attacks on the 'heart land' of America would have been far more devastating to our national moral than the 9/11 was. When people in those areas no longer feel safe, when it can 'happen here', then the attacks will have a much longer lasting effect.
Just goes to show they understand us almost as poorly as we understand them.
johnrebAug 23, 2010
@Gndoab
Janitors, security, secretaries, cooks, maintenance people, office gofers, receptionists, food cart handlers.
Yup, if you worked in the WTC you were rich /s
You are an idiot.
Closed AccountAug 23, 2010
What gives some assh**e from some white suburban/rural "real America" town the right to come in and claim our city's theirs? If New Yorkers are fine with it and the Muslims living all over the city, I say GTFO.
johnrebAug 23, 2010
Hey daliminator, it isn't "some assh**e from some white suburban/rural "real America" town" coming in and saying they don't want it there.
According to CNN, it's a majority of almost 2-1 of us New Yorkers saying it.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/08/18/poll-new-yorkers-oppose-community-center-recognize-constitutionality/
joculatorAug 23, 2010
Most people from the NY Metro area are against it...lower MH
hewhopoopsAug 23, 2010
[CITATION NEEDED]
joculatorAug 23, 2010
http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2010/08/18/poll-new-yorkers-oppose-mosque-recognize-constitutionality/
wow, that was tough to find...
roebeetAug 23, 2010
"The same voters, however, overwhelmingly say the center's developers have a constitutional right to build it."
Which means it's their opinion, not something that would hold up in court. I personally don't want it either - I also don't like having a Starbucks in my town too, but that doesn't mean I have the right to stop them from building one.
nycjapAug 23, 2010
So if most people from NY were against having blacks move into that building, or Jews, or gays, or if they wanted to build a Hispanic Community Center there, that would be an adequate justification for stopping them? Get real. Equal rights are equal rights. They're not up for a vote.
pintomp3Aug 23, 2010
Seems the further you get away from ground zero, the more the opposition. What ever happened to the conservative principles of local governance, property rights, and freedom of religion?
hewhopoopsAug 23, 2010
States rights unless right-to-die, gay marriage or Muslims are involved.
rumbeefAug 23, 2010
you are wrong, conservatives follow common sense values, only liberals base their principals on emotion. /s
hewhopoopsAug 23, 2010
What's are the common-sense values that justify banning gay marriage, denying one's right to choose death or distrusting muslims as a whole?
elranzerAug 23, 2010
Republicans/conservatives hate NYC because of its liberal, leftist, elitists ways.
Except for Ground Zero. They love Ground Zero... as a tool to stir up votes from the ignorant public.
asimpledadAug 23, 2010
How DARE these people exercise their right to freedom of speech and criticize religion!
hewhopoopsAug 23, 2010
Because the entire argument has devolved into a rhetoric of hate and co-opted for political gain.
thecoffeeAug 23, 2010
Criticizing religion? I thought this was to keep some minorities from building a community center with a prayer room.
nycjapAug 23, 2010
They're free to protest all they want. Just don't ask the government to do anything about it.
insanebrainAug 23, 2010
keep protesting for nothing and don't look what is happening around you... way to go.
dzhuo04Aug 23, 2010
I was watching the Fox Coverage and they severely down played the pro mosque side when Tucci or w/e said there were only 75 people there holding signs. Apparently facts aren't worth reporting.
wessideAug 23, 2010
"I was watching the Fox Coverage"
That was your first mistake.
surfergirlscAug 23, 2010
This is a nice big black eye on America, Freedom of religion as long as it is Christian religion. f**king bigots.
chriskzooAug 23, 2010
Who's saying that? Nobody is denying thier legal right to build there - yet you seem to want to take away the rights of those that oppose it to peaceably assemble and protest.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
factorof13Aug 23, 2010
Who's saying that? Nobody is denying their legal right to protest - yet you seem to want to take away the rights of those that think the protesters are bigots to say so.
chriskzooAug 23, 2010
Pointing out their hypocrisy (as I did) is not the same as saying they don't have a right to do it (which I did not).
factorof13Aug 23, 2010
chriskzoo.. I've got one word for you... and that word is *whoosh*
tyrghastAug 23, 2010
You didn't point out any hypocrisy chirkzoo. No one wants to take away their right to protest, but everyone with a brain in their body thinks they're bigoted assh**es hellbent on destroying this nation by denying basic rights to anyone who doesn't agree with them.
ecoreAug 23, 2010
Makes me realize the Chinese perspective quite nicely.
cysailorAug 23, 2010
People have a right to build a mosque. People have a right to protest the building of a mosque. Freedom works both ways.
nycjapAug 23, 2010
Let them protest. Freedom of Speech. Separation of church and state. It's all good.
landosystemAug 23, 2010
They hate us for our freedoms, quick, let's get rid of these pesky freedoms!
spinningheadAug 23, 2010
You forgot to use a chalkboard.
spire3660Aug 23, 2010
So sad that so many americans cannot follow the law of the land that they claim to respect.
nycjapAug 23, 2010
It's like the speed limit: it applies equally to everyone...except me. ;p
chriskzooAug 23, 2010
1) They have a RIGHT to build the mosque there.
2) Those who oppose it have a RIGHT to protest it being built there.
As long as nobody gets violent, let things play out however they play out.
stavrogin2Aug 23, 2010
Except the protesters nearly lynched a black guy who walked through the crowd.
chriskzooAug 23, 2010
Two guys yelling at each other and then separating without exchanging blows is what you call "nearly lynched"?
hewhopoopsAug 23, 2010
They weren't about to lynch him. The protesters were retarded asses, but let's not float the hyberbole balloon here.
stavrogin2Aug 23, 2010
Are you joking? A crowd violently screaming at a single black guy, following him, getting in his face, trying to goad him into a fight with chants of "mohammad is a pig" and calling him a coward, ending with an undercover cop and a uniformed cop having to escort him out of the crowd and asking him to leave for his own safety, and you don't see the problem?
jnismeAug 23, 2010
I assume you are referring to this? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1305255/Ground-Zero-mosque-protest-The-moment-angry-crowd-turns-man-skull-cap--think-Muslim.html
I don't know what the definition of "lynch" is in your neighborhood, but having a verbal argument hardly qualifies as such anywhere else. Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
hewhopoopsAug 23, 2010
Stav, you're making the mistake of assuming what the mob's intent was here.
stavrogin2Aug 23, 2010
Try saying that again when a angry, screaming mob surrounds you and several large men try to goad you into a fight, so they're justified in beating you to death, solely because of your appearance.
isenborgAug 23, 2010
<race card played>
Closed AccountAug 23, 2010
stav - it appears to me that the dude was making statements to the crowd. What was he saying? When you walk into a protesting group and you confront them, you'll probably get some people talking BACK to you.
solkreAug 23, 2010
They don't have a right to build there. They have the privilege to build there, accounting to the zone board.
vectorbAug 23, 2010
The zoning board which has approved it and given them the go ahead. This is really a non issue. Unless of course these un-American protesters actually succeed in getting the zoning board to switch their ruling, at which time the organization sues the city for a billion dollars. Im sure that will show em.
solkreAug 23, 2010
It just bugs me when people confuse rights and privledges. They don't have a right to build anywhere, unless the zone allows them. Which it has. So yes it's a non issue. But I like to see people butthurt on it <troll face>.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
ontainAug 23, 2010
they may have the right to protest but what are they really protesting about? it's basically glorified ethnic and religious intolerance. they have no real reasons for caring what gets built there besides that.
I mean were ppl protesting the building of Churches when the IRA was bombing?
wrath017Aug 23, 2010
Everybody's for freedom until they're against it. Tell the opponents they can't build a church around that area either, and see them have an entirely different protest.
alo81Aug 23, 2010
I understand it's their right to protest, but they don't have a valid reason TO protest is my problem with it.
sgc1020Aug 23, 2010
People also have the right to protest it.
patrickxAug 24, 2010
They certainly do have a RIGHT to protest it. And other people have a RIGHT to call them stupid for protesting it. Nobody said anything about not letting things "play out."
hotrodscottAug 23, 2010
I live in NYC and watched from a few blocks away as the towers fell. It was the saddest thing I ever saw. I do not think people are looking at the details and facts of this Islamic cultural center. It is a shame that people are basing their protesting on the headlines and not the substance. I understand that this Islamic center is run by the good guys supporting the positive aspects of their religion.
kasha34Aug 23, 2010
It's not. The stinkers pushing the mosque have direct connections to CAIR which is a unindicted co conspirator in the Holy Lands Foundation case. That's where we caught yet another one of the Islamic charities funneling money to the jihadis.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
truebluejp90Aug 23, 2010
@kasha34
You and your type of fear mongerers are no better than the terrorists you claim to hate. You preach ignorance and use scare tactics to try and make people follow your line of thinking.
@hotrod
For what it's worth, I'm sorry that you had to witness it first hand. I imagine the experience was pretty scarring. But in a twisted kind of way I'm glad you were there since you could lend a voice of reason to this backwards debate.
ecoreAug 23, 2010
That's all we need is a stand-off between 2 religious nut-job groups over cult supremacy at Ground Zero.
My dislike for religion grows into a despise.....
stormkrowAug 23, 2010
"...so few Christians actually practice Christianity."
--Gandhi
tomt127Aug 23, 2010
I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.
-Gandhi
anarcurtAug 23, 2010
It's amazing. You attract a bigger angry mob over a Muslim YMCA than over unemployment. People really need to get their priorities straight.
quaxonAug 23, 2010
Or the republicans opposing the bill for additional health care for 9/11 first responders...
elranzerAug 23, 2010
SHHH! The Republicans don't want you to know that... as they try to sell you their platform based on Muslim fear.
richmomzAug 23, 2010
They just need to put up a huge sign outside that says "Troll Bait".
testiculeseAug 23, 2010
Their priorities *are* straight. They're just the wrong ones.
mikelistAug 23, 2010
"Mr. DeRubbio, who said he supported religious freedom but wished the Islamic center would be built elsewhere, was with the roughly 500 protesters who opposed the planned center."
sorry, but that doesn't show support for religious freedom. just christian religious freedom.
nowherekido3Aug 23, 2010
only if he wanted a church built there instead. i dont think any religious builiding should be there since thats what causes most of the problems.
austrologiAug 23, 2010
This mosque should be attacked in a non-governmental way. I like the approach of the unions refusing to build it.
As much as I hate to say it, they have the legal right to build it. I couldn't call myself a libertarian if I were to say otherwise. That doesn't mean I don't think those assh**es are a piece of s**t building their victory mosque right where tons of people died to Islam. I am sitting in WTC7 now as we speak and it pisses me off.
Time for me to invest in a muhammed cartoon gallery in LM.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
hetmanAug 23, 2010
"As much as I hate to say it, they have the legal right to build it. " You hate to support the first admendment. That is a shame.
countess666Aug 23, 2010
its 2 blocks away, its not a mosque, and the mosque inside is not a victory mosque.
dalittleAug 23, 2010
funny that the original colonists that came to the Americas came there because of religious persecution.
Closed AccountAug 23, 2010
victory mosque.
Thats your whole argument. That its some kind of stupid religious game of capture the flag.
are you out of your f**king mind? grow up.
spinningheadAug 23, 2010
Yeah, its great that douchebags like yourself have found other ways to take the freedom of religion away from other Americans.
austrologiAug 23, 2010
Who are you guys kidding, the mosque is intentionally being put here as salt in the wound....
@Hetman, nice strawman... i like to support the first amendment, I don't like to support terrorist sympathizers
@countess -- I just said I supported their right to build it, thus if someone uses private means to defeat it then there is not "freedom of relgion" argument
@dalittle -- by governments, if the religious institutions attack america in a non-violent way then american private dollars are surely allowed to fight back
@shiftgood -- its not my game if you didnt notice and no im not out of my mind... come back with a real argument other than saying you don't like mine
@spinninghead -- Plan to make an argument or more insults?Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
Closed AccountAug 23, 2010
It is your game. You think that this is a game of winners and losers. Its all in your mind. 'salt in the wound'. How so? How are you so affected by this that you cannot go on?
Your perception of reality is off, thats my counter argument. Are you also religious?
archiesteelAug 23, 2010
You failed to respond to the main argument, i.e. that this is a "victory mosque." You have no proof of this, yet repeat it as if it was a fact - just like you say they are "terrorist sympathizers," when you have no idea if they are.
Also, it's *not* at Ground Zero. It's two blocks away from it.
spinningheadAug 23, 2010
"Plan to make an argument or more insults?"
I think my argument was pretty clear. You are trying to undermine the 1st amendment. That makes you an un-American douche-bag.
PS Even though I think you are a douche, I would never try and curtail your rights. See how that works?
countess666Aug 23, 2010
"the mosque is intentionally being put here as salt in the wound...."
really? prove it.
I have seen no evidence of this.
quaxonAug 23, 2010
lol how about all the victory churches and christian concerts we put up in Iraq and Afghanistan, Are you fine with those?
ranzeraAug 23, 2010
Not so much, no.
dankbuddzAug 23, 2010
"That doesn't mean I don't think those assh**es are a piece of s**t building their victory mosque right where tons of people died to Islam."
Ignorance is bliss, especially when you write your own history. You must have loved the history books we studied in High School.
tenshenAug 23, 2010
i bet you don't apply that same logic to christians.
muslims didn't crash those planes into the wtc, al qaeda, a terrorist organization did. why is that so hard to understand?
dankbuddzAug 23, 2010
Its not, for people who aren't prejudice.
randall475Aug 23, 2010
I dugg you because I think you're basically right -- the guys who hijacked the planes had basically been destitute, impoverished villagers before they were drafted and brainwashed with radical islamic ideology by a group of f**kING THUGS. Al Qaeda happens to have developed in an area where Islam is prevalent, and they exploit it radically as a MEANS TO THEIR END: MONEY AND POWER.
roebeetAug 23, 2010
You certainly have the right to your opinion.
As for me, I'm still pissed off that those damn Christians built their victory chapel (St Paul's) in Manhattan, the same location that they stole from the Indians. It's like a slap in the face to all Native Americans and it should be dismantled, AFAIC.
jon30041Aug 23, 2010
Those FDNY guys are being reeeeeeeeeeeeeeally stupid. Most departments have regulations saying you can't be at a political rally of any kind while representing your department.
They need to be asked if a rescue would be any different if the individual were a Muslim or a Jew or a Buddhist, etc. Nut up, FDNY, and shut up.
rumbeefAug 23, 2010
I think those guys would run into a burning mosque.
tomt127Aug 23, 2010
9/11 is still a very sore subject for NYFD and will remain so for a long time. I can't really blame them.
jackopforAug 23, 2010
Thats their job.
chriskzooAug 23, 2010
The best thing that the Cordoba Initiatve could do would be to take a step back and say "Hey, let's make this a truly interfait cultural center. We're putting a mosque in there, a church in there and a Jewish Temple. We recognize that people have different faiths, but we should never let those beliefs get in the way of us being amicable Americans."
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kornbred79Aug 23, 2010
You do realize that the center is not a mosque.
It is basically a YMCA which will include a pray center. In fact, the organizers have stated multiple times that peoples of all faiths will be welcome to worship there.
nycjapAug 23, 2010
Exactly like all of the church/synagogue/mosque/temple structures put by all of the other religious groups and organizations? Get real.
kasha34Aug 23, 2010
Muslims don't do that.
maxamegalon2000Aug 23, 2010
No one does that.
truebluejp90Aug 23, 2010
Everyone should do that.
plainoldfoolAug 23, 2010
Anyone else notice that there was an orthodox jew on the pro-mosque side? If this dude is cool with the community center then you'd think that the blue-collar union works would be a bit more open minded.
Must be one of those self hating jews I've heard about.
ontainAug 23, 2010
I think this quote can sum up what the Jewish dude was thinking.
"THEY CAME FIRST for the Communists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.
THEN THEY CAME for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.
THEN THEY CAME for the Jews,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.
THEN THEY CAME for me
and by that time no one was left to speak up."
basically if he lets this happen to a mosque now they might do this to a synagogue next.
ubitendoAug 23, 2010
I think Orthodox Jews are pro-Israel, but not anti-Islam (GENERALIZATION!).
assassyn360Aug 23, 2010
Seriously, does that kid even know what he is pissed about?
libertyprimeAug 23, 2010
Brown people and any religion that isn't his.
Closed AccountAug 23, 2010
if you were from West Virginia you'd be pissed at everything that moved.
oligomanAug 24, 2010
Yes, because everyone from WV is an incestuous illiterate redneck. There are bigots everywhere, and no more in WV than elsewhere. 9/10 people I've talked to here are actually in support of the center being built. Please don't generalize or buy in to stereotypes.
csalitureAug 23, 2010
He knows what he is pissed about he just doesn't know why he is actually pissed about it, except that his parents told him he should be.
drunkenkiteAug 23, 2010
That guy said he cant eat anymore donuts.
thunder99Aug 23, 2010
It blows my mind that so many people willingly broadcast their stupidity to the world like that.
The protesters obviously have no clue that:
A) Muslim does NOT = terrorist.
B) A community center does NOT = disrespect or pissing on the graves of people
C) Being pro American means standing up for religious freedom NOT protesting it
If you can't grasp these three simple concepts you are a moron.
xsecretfilesAug 23, 2010
They can all build whatever they want, It's not my Tax money so go for it Muslims build a Muhammad statue for all I care..oh wait
richmomzAug 23, 2010
That's fine but then they better not bitch when someone buys the property across the street and builds a big statue of Mohammed with a bomb on his head.
dalittleAug 23, 2010
Interesting most of the dangerous radicals shown are probably Christians.
Closed AccountAug 23, 2010
with all the important s**t going on... it amazes me that this is the distraction people have glommed on to
so f**king stupid
richmomzAug 23, 2010
+1, I can't believe the degree of hyperventilation and stupidity this issue is generating. It's like the media is deliberately trying to get people stirred up over bulls**t.
orangesterAug 23, 2010
I thought religious freedom meant the ability to practice whichever religion you want, wherever you want. If a mosque can't be built near Ground Zero, then no religious denomination should be able to have a church, temple, etc. there. Equal rights means everybody, not just rights that benefit your interests and coincide with your beliefs.
One could argue that since the terrorists who committed the 9/11 attacks practiced Islam that it would be in bad taste to have a mosque near the site it occurred. Timothy McVeigh was a Christian, so by this asinine logic it would have to be equally wrong and in bad taste to place protestant churches near the site of the Oklahoma City bombings. However, I don't think the general public in Oklahoma would put up much resistance to churches being placed near there. FFS, there are a lot more important things to worry about than where people should be allowed to gather to practice their own faith.
ontainAug 23, 2010
"FFS, there are a lot more important things to worry about than where people should be allowed to gather to practice their own faith."
of course there are. this is just another fake rage stories to keep the public divided while the powers that hold on to and gain in power.
norrisobeAug 23, 2010
Is it me or are the opponents of the mosque the whitest looking protesters i've ever seen?
Seriously, it's so white.
docholiday22Aug 23, 2010
You know being agnostic and a member of Digg, I thought Digg members would oppose anything Islamic especially the building of a mosque. The truth is, it's just like everyone has said - common sense is staring you right in the face and if freedom of religion is part of the constitution; then this is what is more important. The mosque (actually a community centre created to establish better relations and quash misconceptions about Islam) should just be built.
The Digg community seems to be supporting the building of the mosque.
fredfredricksonAug 23, 2010
Why would anyone oppose it? They have a constitutional right to build there if they want.
bsmangAug 23, 2010
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toddschishlerAug 23, 2010
"Opponents of the Islamic center said that they fully supported religious freedoms, but that its planned location represented an incursion on the rights of Americans who deemed ground zero a hallowed space."
So a real-actual-codified government protected right, infringes upon an imaginary non-existant "this goes against my personal beliefs," right?
Wowsers.
ontainAug 23, 2010
seriously, there are bars, at least 1 church and a strip club within 2 blocks of ground zero.
richmomzAug 23, 2010
It's on private property, and there's no Constitutional precedence that confers any special exception to "hallowed space" in regards to what people can do on that property. If its within city zoning laws then there's nothing that anyone can legally do about it. People have a free speech right to moan all they want, but otherwise nobody's "rights" are being infringed here.
nick041Aug 23, 2010
Mohammed was a HIV postive gentlemen & Jesus gave him the HIV. That being said, f**k Islam & Christianity. We're not kids anymore. Stop believing in f**king fairytales.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
wanderonAug 23, 2010
you're doing it allll wrong
thecoffeeAug 23, 2010
Are you criticizing religion, or homosexuality?
gsydiggerAug 23, 2010
I think both, but that makes no sense, he can't be a homophobe and a non-republican
pyroclastic_vikingAug 23, 2010
Perfect -> "muslim != terrorist" People need to stop watching fox news and do some real research. What if we refused to allow churches to be built to prevent child molestation... I don't think these bigots would appreciate that.
thundercat1971Aug 23, 2010
I would!
relay2005Aug 23, 2010
I cannot believe how big of a news story this has become. I live in Minnesota and a mosque was built about 1 mile from my house. Guess what....nobody made a stink about it. If people believe that building that mosque will breed terrorists then they are totally delusional. I understand why it is sensitive to some New Yorkers but we cannot continue to mourn what happened to those 3000 victims of 9/11 if we want to heal as a nation. The more these things come up the more divided we become and the more time it will take to "move on" and grow strong. To the people of New York: Let them build it! Show them that you can continue and be stronger and be more open minded. To the ones trying to build the mosque: Don't build it because you want to stick it the people who are against it, build it to help heal those opposed to it. Show why it is important to build it there. I don't have an answer but I do know that the more you let this thing stew the worse it is going to get.
roebeetAug 23, 2010
I am a native New Yorker (recently transplanted elsewhere). I don't like the idea of the community center, but I'm not protesting against it because, quite frankly, it's none of my damn business. And I know other New Yorkers who see no issues with this center.
Don't assume that what you see on TV is the majority vote. Plus, it's really up to the local residents to decide anyway - let them deal with it.
bovilexiaAug 23, 2010
It's an election year. Any new story that can be blown out of proportion then used as a key running point will be used.
poonakaAug 23, 2010
Won't be long before the violence starts. :(
richmomzAug 23, 2010
I think that's been the whole plan from the beginning - this project, combined with the insane amount of sensationalized media bulls**t surrounding it is clearly meant to provoke people, IMHO.
quaxonAug 23, 2010
Anyone else notice that this whole manufactured 'controversy' that is taking up the lime-lite comes at the same time that the republicans voted no on additional funding for 9/11 first responders health care???
Make a stupid controversy that really means nothing to get the people riled up while screwing over those who selflessly helped people so it doesnt make the news rounds. THis country is too f**king stupid for its own good.
Closed AccountAug 23, 2010
I'm pretty torn on this one. I can understand both sides, but the mosque builders seem pretty insensitive to moving to a site farther away. At the end of the day I'm an atheist and believe all religions are a pox on humanity, but I'll never trampled on someones rights to worship their spaghetti god. Build the mosque, but move it further away from ground zero and show some sensitivity towards those who are still in pain.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
kornbred79Aug 23, 2010
"mosque builders seem pretty insensitive to moving to a site farther away"
So they are being insensitive by not kowtowing to bigotry and intolerance? How about the people who are clearly painting all Muslims as terrorist and Islam as evil; are they just being good Americans?
Closed AccountAug 23, 2010
How far away is far enough away? And if you planned to build a church somewhere, would you want to search for another site just because some rabid morons from other states came and said you weren't welcome in your city?
wicket146Aug 23, 2010
Dumb
thejackylAug 23, 2010
f**k ignorance.
nubnubAug 23, 2010
America is a lie
mark6569Aug 23, 2010
Would love to see this anger directed at the Banksters on Wall Street, or about the unemployment levels, or about the endless wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan .......or about the Flouride that is being put in the H2o, or about the Patriot Act, or about how we tortured POW's and admitted it, or about....well you get the idea...
fredfredricksonAug 23, 2010
Right on the money, except for fluoride. Seriously, why did you include that in what is otherwise a good list of things to be outraged about?
bovilexiaAug 23, 2010
yeah he was doing good until the fluoride part.
letsdienowAug 24, 2010
ummm, or maybe fluoride in water has f**ked us all over and we can't acknowledge it because it makes us forgetful...
"TELL A LIE LOUD ENOUGH AND LONG ENOUGH AND PEOPLE WILL BELIEVE IT."
(Adolph Hitler)
Sodium fluoride, a hazardous-waste by-product from the manufacture of
aluminum, is a common ingredient in rat and c**kroach poisons, anesthetics,
hypnotics, psychiatric drugs, and military nerve gas. It`s historically
been quite expensive to properly dispose of, until some aluminum industries
with an overabundance of the stuff sold the public on the terrifically
insane but highly profitable idea of buying it at a 20,000% markup,
injecting it into our water supplies, and then DRINKING it.
Independent scientific evidence repeatedly showing up over the past 50
years reveals that fluoride allegedly shortens our life span, promotes
cancer and various mental disturbances, accelerates osteoporosis and broken
hips in old folks, and makes us stupid, docile, and subservient, all in one
package. There are reports of aluminum in the brain possibly being a
causative factor in Alzheimer`s Disease, and evidence points towards
fluoride`s strong affinity for aluminum and also its ability to "trick" the
blood-brain barrier by looking like the hydrogen ion, and thus allowing
chemical access to brain tissue.
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/water.htm
mark6569Aug 24, 2010
right on brother
bulletbillxAug 23, 2010
or how about the people that whipped up this story to cover for their blocking of getting 9/11 responders help with their health care?
mark6569Aug 24, 2010
so true...
dalexandruzAug 23, 2010
NYC Manhattan has 100+ mosques already and 2 that are near ground zero(before 9/11). This will be an Islamic cultural center with a mosque for praying. Who cares, let them convert the building to a cultural center for Muslims.
All religions are a sign of mental illness. People are just scared of death so they make up all this afterlife nonsense.
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lantzaAug 23, 2010
There isn't going to be a mosque. It's going to be a normal building with the top floor(s) reserved for prayer space. No gold dome and no minarets, which are the physical hallmarks of a mosque.
ubitendoAug 23, 2010
No, gold domes and minarets aren't the physical hallmark of a mosque. Any building (even a house) can be a mosque as long it's called a mosque (I'm sure there is also some ceremony involved as well).
But a mosque inside of a community center doesn't make it a mosque. If that was the case every muslim family on the planet would be living in a mosque instead of a home.
ubitendoAug 23, 2010
You had me until this part: "All religions are a sign of mental illness. People are just scared of death so they make up all this afterlife nonsense." because you're basically accusing billions of people of being mentally ill.
severeflameAug 23, 2010
You'd be surprised.
gndoabAug 24, 2010
I Want you to think of something. anything.
now this thought that you just had, does it have volume? weight? space? color? taste?
Nope. it doesn't. strange. something that doesn't actually exist, yet obviously does exist.
huhwha!?
n064Aug 23, 2010
as a Muslim American im in a confused state. Sadly, most of this country is made of ignorant people, who currently are representing America in this situation. Just like how ignorant "Islamic" Terrorist, represent Muslims in retarded ways. America is a great country, but there are just too many idiots, just like Islam is a great religion (IMO), but again....there are too many idiots in it as well.
powderedtoastyAug 23, 2010
The idiots always f**k it up for the rest of us :(
tyrghastAug 23, 2010
case-in-point: weed
tyrghastAug 23, 2010
I live in Texas.
Texas. One of the most bigoted states in the US in terms of the views of the general populace.
However there are mosques, synagogues and churches of the flying spaghetti monster all over the place and no one really cares. Why? Because the entire reason the nation was founded was to create a place where personal freedoms were not infringed upon.
woodrow177Aug 23, 2010
It is sad that the only argument I see on this thread is name calling. People who are against building the mosque are not against religious freedom. No one is calling for a ban on Mosque building or stopping muslims from practicing their religion. They are asking that the Mosque be built somewhere else. They don't want the Mosque built on the very place that was destroyed in the name of Allah.
Churches are stopped from building where they want all the time, usually for commercial reasons. Have you ever heard of eminent domain? Eminent domain is the inherent power of the state to seize a citizen's private property, expropriate property, or seize a citizen's rights in property with due monetary compensation, but without the owner's consent. The property is taken either for government use or by delegation to third parties who will devote it to public or civic use or, in some cases, economic development.
It is not illegal for the people to work towards building a mosque at ground zero. It is not illegal to protest and try to stop a mosque from being built on the sight of a national tragedy perpetrated in the name of Allah.
The only idiots are people unable to make a real argument.
dse78759Aug 23, 2010
Lotta mustaches in that anti-community center group.
Figures.
jacanfieldAug 23, 2010
UNITED WE STAND!
UNITED WE STAND!
UNITED WE STAND!
Oh, wait. You're a Muslim American? Then go stand somewhere else.
pathetic
volfie99Aug 23, 2010
Ah, yes, another victory for cable "news" and their particular brand of salesmanship.
I just wish all these so called Republicans would listen to the words of the founder of their party and protect themselves from hyper-emotionalism. I mean, if Lincoln warns us against it, it's probably something we should avoid...
roddackAug 23, 2010
They have gone full retarded and you never go full retard
richmomzAug 23, 2010
This whole issue went full retard about two hours after it was first reported.