mashable.com— 3D printing will be commonplace sooner than most think, says one expert. And kids like these eighth graders are already leading the charge.
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It won't happen sooner than we think, because intellectual property holders and their government provided I.P. laws will squelch and stifle this great step towards eliminating scarcity in our world. . . just like they do with information.
You will be considered a pirate if you download any 3D models which could even be remotely construed to look like or contain qualities similar to copyrighted and patented objects designed by the holders of such.
Until society recognizes that copying information, bits of data, or ideas; and using your own resources to realize that data in the form of music, movies, or 3D printed objects is not nor cannot be theft. . . until we recognize that information and ideas cannot be stolen, and once disseminated out of the mind of the person holding the idea they are no longer property and cannot be 'stolen': until then, we will have a world of imposed and artificial scarcity, where any advancements of this kind will take place only on the underground.
So long as we insist on creating 'rights' to 'property' of a non-scarce, non-tangible nature, and enforcing those 'rights' by government fiat. . . . .all for the sake of "well how would musicians and inventors make money?" type arguments . . . then we will create scarcity and stifle competition and innovation; and infring upon the real and natural rights of everyone else.
*Copyright 2012, kwanijml Inc., All rights reserved, Any reproduction, retransmission, republication, or other use of all or part of this document is expressly prohibited, unless prior written permission has been granted by kwanijml. kwanijml understands that the english words used in this post are considered public domain, however, any use of any 2 or more word combination contained herein is considered intellectual property of kwanijml, and any use is strictly prohibited. The thoughts and ideas contained in this post are also copyrighted and protected by international law. Please do not think any of these thoughts, as that would be stealing. . . .stealing my intellectual property, and a piece of my soul. The reader of this comment implicity agrees to this and is bound by contract, and acknowledges that kwanijml will somehow lose diggs and also money, and will no longer be able to post comments if there is not sufficient incentive (read: ridiculously large profits extracted as rents from society) to continue posting, due to piracy of kwanijml's ideas, including any 2 or more word combinations contained herein. It is understood that if I.P. rights are not granted, society will stop creating, stop inventing, stop making music, stop thinking, and therefore we will all die, if we cannot be petty and put our proverbial books down on the proverbial seat to save our proverbial place in a gigantic register of human thoughts which makes a laughable attempt at trying to document and reserve protection for the near infinitessimal sum of human thoughts and ideas.
We cannot use innovative 3d technology to its fullest extent, because it will stifle innovation if others freely can copy ideas! Nobody will invent anything if we don't grant them monopolies on ideas and legal mechanisms to combat theft via 3d printing recreation of their ideas!!! Protecting the few who come up ideas first is necessary, even if it comes at the expense of the many who could easily copy and benefit from those ideas. We must pay people to use their ideas. /s
It won't happen sooner than we think, because intellectual property holders and their government provided I.P. laws will squelch and stifle this great step towards eliminating scarcity in our world. . . just like they do with information.
You will be considered a pirate if you download any 3D models which could even be remotely construed to look like or contain qualities similar to copyrighted and patented objects designed by the holders of such.
Until society recognizes that copying information, bits of data, or ideas; and using your own resources to realize that data in the form of music, movies, or 3D printed objects is not nor cannot be theft. . . until we recognize that information and ideas cannot be stolen, and once disseminated out of the mind of the person holding the idea they are no longer property and cannot be 'stolen': until then, we will have a world of imposed and artificial scarcity, where any advancements of this kind will take place only on the underground.
So long as we insist on creating 'rights' to 'property' of a non-scarce, non-tangible nature, and enforcing those 'rights' by government fiat. . . . .all for the sake of "well how would musicians and inventors make money?" type arguments . . . then we will create scarcity and stifle competition and innovation; and infringe upon the real and natural rights of everyone else.
*Copyright 2012, ophello Inc., All rights reserved, Any reproduction, retransmission, republication, or other use of all or part of this document is expressly prohibited, unless prior written permission has been granted by ophello. ophello understands that the english words used in this post are considered public domain, however, any use of any 2 or more word combination contained herein is considered intellectual property of ophello, and any use is strictly prohibited. The thoughts and ideas contained in this post are also copyrighted and protected by international law. Please do not think any of these thoughts, as that would be stealing. . . .stealing my intellectual property, and a piece of my soul. The reader of this comment implicity agrees to this and is bound by contract, and acknowledges that ophello will somehow lose diggs and also money, and will no longer be able to post comments if there is not sufficient incentive (read: ridiculously large profits extracted as rents from society) to continue posting, due to piracy of ophello's ideas, including any 2 or more word combinations contained herein. It is understood that if I.P. rights are not granted, society will stop creating, stop inventing, stop making music, stop thinking, and therefore we will all die, if we cannot be petty and put our proverbial books down on the proverbial seat to save our proverbial place in a gigantic register of human thoughts which makes a laughable attempt at trying to document and reserve protection for the near infinitesimal sum of human thoughts and ideas.
Fortunately enough for you, kwanijml doesn't have enough cronies in the "justice" department to arrest you and fine you 1 million dollars for lost sales of his post. However, if he increases his "campaign contributions" you might see some jail time. I hope you aren't on your grandma's computer right now, or she may end up in jail when the FBI is finally on it (after kwanijml paypal's obama).
You are a pirate and have stolen from kwanijml. I don't think you understand the repercussions of this. Kwanijml may never post again, as he has no purpose of posting when you copy his work. Let's hope he can feed himself tonight.
While I appreciate your concern; I have found alternate means of generating revenue from my postings.
I now post comments live, on a giant whiteboard, in arenas and colluseums nationwide in front of thousands.
I encourage my audience to copy my words as much as they want.
Why do they pay to come and see what they are already reading for free online? Well, you see, I add value to my itellectual offerings by throwing fruit and large gourds at the whiteboard. . . . .really thrills the audience. Stay out of the front 2 rows if you don't like getting messy. . . you're in the fruit juice zone!
I agree 100% with your comment except, if I wrote it, I would've said, "it won't happen as quickly as it should" because I believe it will happen sooner than a lot of people think. The only tool the IP monopolists have is the state and they're fighting an impossible battle.
Let the monopolists continue to waste billions purchasing unenforceable laws while we ignore them, not only eroding their monopoly profits but also rendering their political power ($$$) useless.
The Copyright issue is one of the most important issues in our society today.
It is all about the value of an idea, and who has a right to it.
Society gives the creator of an idea an exclusive right to it, for a fair time, so that they may benefit and be rewarded for the value of creating it. At the end of that time, the value of that idea is available to everyone in the society, so that society benefits from it. This way ideas can not be hoarded forever, and the creator has exclusive time to benefit from it.
This brings up 3 questions.
1. What is a fair amount of time, so that both the creator of the idea, and the Society gain benefit from it?
2. Is this the best way to encourage ideas, benefit individuals, and share them with society?
3. Should anyone else be allowed to control or influence this balance.
Society exists as a contract between individuals to work together to live a better life. Together we are supposed to multiply our individual efforts. This is the heart of the basic social contract. Society itself was founded when two people decided to work together for mutual benefit to get more done.
-You do this and I do that and together more gets done.
-I watch your back, you watch mine, and together we are better protected.
-You fish and I raise crops and together we have more food.
Simply put, two people have a farther reach than one does alone.
If we care about each other, together we have more care.
Society needs the best reward possible for ideas so it must come up with the best incentive possible for individuals to come up with them.
I will repeat this statement and explore these questions elsewhere in the comments under this story for the sake of not repeating myself. Please tell me what you think.
TL:DR Below is a rambling unprofessional jumble of thoughts- but consider how amazing torrented designs and the Open Source Ecology project really are!
While it is reasonable to point out the chilling effects of copyright and intellectual property on this sort of manufacture, it is worth pointing out that pioneers are trail blazing alternate routes for going from the drawing board to mass production. Maker culture, open design culture Arduino chips (aimed at amateur enthusiasts but developing an increasingly sophisticated following) and Open Source Ecology designs are blazing the way forward.
Anyone who has worked repairing equipment knows that some manufacturers open their supply chains and have replaceable modules and some manufacturers don't. (Tip: Sometimes you can use paint thinner to remove glossy varnish to get access to solder faulty circuit boards. Also consider checking your local bay of pirates for service manuals from manufacturers.) Not all manufacturers aim for producing a product with built in obsolescence, and as our economy slows down smart consumers will demand products built for durability from one source or another.
Initiatives like the Open Source Ecology hardware are remarkable for what they achieve in terms of real world crowd sourced designed equipment, and also remarkable for being an example of a culture of openness while achieving results. Spimes and the "internet of things" are going to help fill the gap in our economy if these experiments continue to bear fruit. http://makeprojects.com/c/Open_Source_Ecology
I can just see people downloading and printing Ikea pieces, then being unable to print the instructions to put together because they don't have an ordinary printer.
make your own "paper" airplane out of material stronger than paper but just as light then leave a spot for the receiver (for remote control) and makeit happen. Motor doesnt break and the "paper" is cheap. I know its small thinking BUT THATS WHAT IM GOING TO DO!
you can print more than plastic, you can do metals (stainless steel, sterling silver, aluminum), glass, ceramics, sandstone. http://www.shapeways.com/materials/
The Copyright issue is one of the most important issues in our society today.
It is all about the value of an idea, and who has a right to it.
Society gives the creator of an idea an exclusive right to it, for a fair time, so that they may benefit and be rewarded for the value of creating it. At the end of that time, the value of that idea is available to everyone in the society, so that society benefits from it. This way ideas can not be hoarded forever, and the creator has exclusive time to benefit from it.
This brings up 3 questions.
1. What is a fair amount of time, so that both the creator of the idea, and the Society gain benefit from it?
2. Is this the best way to encourage ideas, benefit individuals, and share them with society?
3. Should anyone else be allowed to control or influence this balance?
Society exists as a contract between individuals to work together to live a better life. Together we are supposed to multiply our individual efforts. This is the heart of the basic social contract. Society itself was founded when two people decided to work together for mutual benefit to get more done.
-You do this and I do that and together more gets done.
-I watch your back, you watch mine, and together we are better protected.
-You fish and I raise crops and together we have more food.
Simply put, two people have a farther reach than one does alone.
If we care about each other, together we have more care.
Society needs the best reward possible for ideas so it must come up with the best incentive possible for individuals to come up with them.
1. What is a fair amount of time?
The first question is about balance, but it also is about access.
Does a certain amount of exclusive time benefit an individual?
The value of an idea is so variable that time becomes meaningless:
-An idea can be worthless, an idea can be priceless and change the world.
-An idea could also take forever to implement, or be applied cheaply and instantly.
-An idea could also be expensive to implement, or easy used by everyone.
-The individual could also be too poor or lack access to resources to implement it.
-The idea could only be valuable to those in a position to implement it, so the individual misses out.
-It make take to long for the individual to gain any benefit from it.
-The idea could be brilliant, but since no-one directly can make money or benefit from it the idea is not worth pursing for the individual.
If the individual can not find a way to get value from that idea, through lack of resources to implement it, in enough time, then the idea will either be stolen or lost.
Time is not necessary the best reward or incentive.
Ultimately only the successful, the wealthy, or companies with enough resources to benefit from the idea, in the time they can make for themselves, will have the possibility for that benefit, and not the individual idea creator.
If the individual creator misses out, not only will he not get that incentive, the idea will either get forgotten or co-opted so that the wrong people benefit, more ideas will not be encouraged from that individual, and society will be a lot less likely to benefit from that idea, the success of its creator, the other ideas that could have been inspired along with it, and pretty much the benefit of the idea is lost(or stolen)
2. So what is the best way?
There are no guarantees on the value, the worth, or the expiration date of the idea.
Time is arbitrary.
It doesn't necessarily benefit the creator.
Giving them too much or too little, with no capacity to realize it, does neither the individual nor society much good.
also both the Society and the Individual are taking a gamble that the idea can be be turned into value in the arbitrary time that is set. Letting that time expire without value, only benefits those with resources who are ready to snap up the idea, or take it from the individual.
Even if the individual has resources or can sell out their value to access them with some benefit left, time is wasted. The idea sits, while the individual struggles to get some value from it, and the society waits for it to come available. Probably the only winners will be the companies and exploiters waiting for an idea to be snatch-able.
Money is arbitrary.
Not only is the immediate or eventual value in money hard to capture and deliver to the individual fairly, but the timing of value is so variable that only the society may see that value.
Only those with adequate resources have a chance to quantify that value.
Society misses out because only those who can benefit from the idea are rewarded. The individual is without value, and is likely discouraged from more ideas, and society misses out on all of the lost, improperly implemented, and misplaced ideas
Any value or lack thereof that is inadequately delivered, is a loss to both the individual and society.
So what should we do?
We need every good idea we can get.
Letting any correct opportunity pass is another second we let ideas die, individuals miss out on their benefit(both creators and citizens) and society itself from a poverty of good ideas getting implemented.
Every single member of society benefits from the proper implementation of good ideas. We all have an incentive to bring them to light, as quickly, and effectively as possible.
Every person with a idea of value should be encouraged to have more, and rewarded for the value to society it brings.
The solution, in my opinion, is to fix the way we reward ideas:
(A & B cover my idea to do so)
We all need better ideas:
Ideas to solve cancer, to end suffering, to help us live our lives better. Big, small, as long as they have potential to move us in a positive direction, they have value.
1.The only way to find more of the better ideas is to produce as many as possible.
2.The only way to have as many as possible to to encourage everyone and help them make those ideas better.
3.The more ideas a person goes through the more likely they will find a better one.
4.The more we help everyone go through those ideas, the more likely it is that we will find the good ones.
5.The more likely we are to help all good ideas see the light of day, and not the ones that benefit us directly, the more likely an idea that does will come our way.
6.The more we help the idea creator, the more we are part of the value creating process and the more we should share in the value of its creation.
7.The more that the creator benefits from the value of their idea, the more ideas they will be likely to create.
8.The more that everyone looks to reward the creator, with time, money, and help to create their good idea, the more the company/society deserves to share in that value.
9.The more you/we get past our individual selfishness, greed, and group apathy, the more you/we will see the value in helping the idea, and the value in helping the creator benefit so that you/we will have an opportunity to share in the best extent of the benefits of seeing an idea created properly, not just it's wealth generated.
How should the creator get paid?
They should get all the help they need to see the idea through, by everyone who can.
They should continue to have time, money, and help incentives to encourage them to come up with more ideas.
Society, groups, and individual must continue to search for ways to value these idea, not just by helping them reach their potential, or encouraging new ones, by by finding fair ways of compensation through money, help, and time.
To Society, ideas that don't make money can have just as much value as ideas that do. Society should find a way to measure the value and compensate the creator for the results of those ideas. We shouldn't just pursue ideas that are affordable or produce profit, every ideas deserves to survive on its merit to society.
B. We need to make sure that the Creator of an idea gets all the help they need.
Once a creator creates as idea,
Everyone needs to help evaluate the value of it.
Society, groups, individuals all need to learn how to evaluate ideas, and overcome their natural resistance to change or jealousy, so that the idea can have the pure value of its truth.
Since the pure idea is what is valuable to its implementation, making sure that idea is clearly realized is vital.
Society must insure that the idea is not co-opted or corrupted for the idea to have it's maximum value.
One a good idea is created, and it's value determined, it must be should be implemented correctly to hold it's value.
Every entity that can help should be allowed to share in it's created value, to the degree that is fair, not what can be negotiated.
The creator must be kept involved so that not only the creator can receive some direct benefit in it's result, be also so his insight can be used to realize the scope of the idea.
However the idea is implemented, usually through businesses who can bring the idea to life, the idea should be immediately available to as much of society as is wise, to expose the idea to the healthy competition and cooperation of improvement. This means that society should have immediate access to the idea. Maybe not everyone should or will have access to it, but it makes sense to develop the idea as widely as wise so that the idea can flourish on its own merits. The best strategy for society is to make good decisions on how that implementation should occur for the idea to be realized, and the creator rewarded.
How do we as individuals benefit from helping the creator?
The way we all get direct value is the connection we have to producing value in the ideas, or through the ideas benefit to helping us.
How does society benefit?
The benefit of idea is far more than what money can be squeezed out of it.
Focusing on the value of the idea itself, lets it develop the true value it should have, and it is in everybody's best interest to reward the idea creator, with help, resources, and time. Likewise it is in the best interest of the creator to share that value with those who help the ideas value, and those who could benefit from it. The indirect value of any idea, not only inspires other ideas, or indirect reaches those who help it, it invests in the success of society, and therefore helps everyone. Seeing that value is vital for everyone, every single member of society.
Society, and all the individuals within it, benefit from good ideas, so they should do everything they can to see that good idea creators can realize them.
Every good idea should see the light of day.
3. Should anyone else be allowed to control or influence this balance?
Yes and no.
Once a good idea is created, it should be both the property of the creator and the society. Both have an incentive to see a good idea developed as purely as possible.
The idea should have a life of its own, to guarantee that its value is realized for both the creator and society.
Only the creator has the insight of its creation. So it is important that the idea is not corrupted so that it misses its purpose. The creator should be involved
in all implementations of the idea.
Likewise the creator could have bad judgement, or someone else could have vital insight. It is equally true that an idea could be be implemented with bad judgement or used to
Society and those who have the ability to implement the idea correctly should have some check and balance over the creator, and the creator has some right to insure the idea is realized correctly. Determining this fairly is a uncertain thing but figuring out how to do it is worth it.
I truly believe that companies, and individuals who seek to control an idea for any purpose other than creating value for those who should benefit, should be prevented from participating. Their purpose is to either to make money from it, benefit from it themselves, or use it for a purpose differently than seeing it realized. Some ideas produce no direct value to their implementers. Society itself needs to reward and value these ideas appropriately so money does not corrupt the purpose of ideas. Ideas simply shouldn't be valued primarily on their ability to make money. Quantifiable or not, the idea should be developed on it merits.
For example, if you have discovered the Cure for Cancer, the idea shouldn't be waited on until the person finds a way to implement it, it also shouldn't be sat on by a big corporation looking to profit from it, the idea deserves to be delivered to those who can benefit from it as soon as possible. Money as the only incentive will simply cause the idea of a Cure for Cancer to wait for one that a person can charge for it.
Ideas themselves need to be motivated by clear purpose. Any other implementation, for the purpose of money. control, greed, or power will corrupt the value for everyone.
The issue of idea creation and copyright is about control and balance between individuals and society. Doing it intelligently and fairly will allow more good ideas be developed, so that both Society and Idea creators can benefit simultaneously from ideas done right.
Lawrence Lessig also has some interesting insight on making this process fair. Check it out.
www.amazon.com/Future-Ideas-Commons-Connected-World/dp/0375726446
I LOL'd when he said he wanted to use a 3D printer to print a 3D printer... it never even occurred to me before for whatever reason; also he sounds very mature for a 8th grader.
So what if it's 3D, it will be useless unless you stock your printer with steel and wood needed to make the 3D objects. I do not see how you can properly cut steel to make car parts with a printer. It seems like an expensive gimmick.
biofriendlyblogJan 31, 2012
Looking forward to it! :)
gbudavidFeb 1, 2012
Beam it down Scotty:)
emfkJan 31, 2012
Let the kids lead! Keep it comin'
richstevensonFeb 1, 2012
In its blog post announcing “Physibles,” The Pirate Bay claimed that “You will download your sneakers within 20 years.”
I'd rather just buy them at the store instead of waiting 20 years for the download to finish!
scabnabbitFeb 1, 2012
Talk about a awesome way to create minis for tabletop gaming.
I'm sure GW is lovin this development.
kwanijmlFeb 1, 2012
It won't happen sooner than we think, because intellectual property holders and their government provided I.P. laws will squelch and stifle this great step towards eliminating scarcity in our world. . . just like they do with information.
You will be considered a pirate if you download any 3D models which could even be remotely construed to look like or contain qualities similar to copyrighted and patented objects designed by the holders of such.
Until society recognizes that copying information, bits of data, or ideas; and using your own resources to realize that data in the form of music, movies, or 3D printed objects is not nor cannot be theft. . . until we recognize that information and ideas cannot be stolen, and once disseminated out of the mind of the person holding the idea they are no longer property and cannot be 'stolen': until then, we will have a world of imposed and artificial scarcity, where any advancements of this kind will take place only on the underground.
So long as we insist on creating 'rights' to 'property' of a non-scarce, non-tangible nature, and enforcing those 'rights' by government fiat. . . . .all for the sake of "well how would musicians and inventors make money?" type arguments . . . then we will create scarcity and stifle competition and innovation; and infring upon the real and natural rights of everyone else.
*Copyright 2012, kwanijml Inc., All rights reserved, Any reproduction, retransmission, republication, or other use of all or part of this document is expressly prohibited, unless prior written permission has been granted by kwanijml. kwanijml understands that the english words used in this post are considered public domain, however, any use of any 2 or more word combination contained herein is considered intellectual property of kwanijml, and any use is strictly prohibited. The thoughts and ideas contained in this post are also copyrighted and protected by international law. Please do not think any of these thoughts, as that would be stealing. . . .stealing my intellectual property, and a piece of my soul. The reader of this comment implicity agrees to this and is bound by contract, and acknowledges that kwanijml will somehow lose diggs and also money, and will no longer be able to post comments if there is not sufficient incentive (read: ridiculously large profits extracted as rents from society) to continue posting, due to piracy of kwanijml's ideas, including any 2 or more word combinations contained herein. It is understood that if I.P. rights are not granted, society will stop creating, stop inventing, stop making music, stop thinking, and therefore we will all die, if we cannot be petty and put our proverbial books down on the proverbial seat to save our proverbial place in a gigantic register of human thoughts which makes a laughable attempt at trying to document and reserve protection for the near infinitessimal sum of human thoughts and ideas.
njdoo7Feb 1, 2012
Well said.
We cannot use innovative 3d technology to its fullest extent, because it will stifle innovation if others freely can copy ideas! Nobody will invent anything if we don't grant them monopolies on ideas and legal mechanisms to combat theft via 3d printing recreation of their ideas!!! Protecting the few who come up ideas first is necessary, even if it comes at the expense of the many who could easily copy and benefit from those ideas. We must pay people to use their ideas. /s
ophelloFeb 1, 2012
It won't happen sooner than we think, because intellectual property holders and their government provided I.P. laws will squelch and stifle this great step towards eliminating scarcity in our world. . . just like they do with information.
You will be considered a pirate if you download any 3D models which could even be remotely construed to look like or contain qualities similar to copyrighted and patented objects designed by the holders of such.
Until society recognizes that copying information, bits of data, or ideas; and using your own resources to realize that data in the form of music, movies, or 3D printed objects is not nor cannot be theft. . . until we recognize that information and ideas cannot be stolen, and once disseminated out of the mind of the person holding the idea they are no longer property and cannot be 'stolen': until then, we will have a world of imposed and artificial scarcity, where any advancements of this kind will take place only on the underground.
So long as we insist on creating 'rights' to 'property' of a non-scarce, non-tangible nature, and enforcing those 'rights' by government fiat. . . . .all for the sake of "well how would musicians and inventors make money?" type arguments . . . then we will create scarcity and stifle competition and innovation; and infringe upon the real and natural rights of everyone else.
*Copyright 2012, ophello Inc., All rights reserved, Any reproduction, retransmission, republication, or other use of all or part of this document is expressly prohibited, unless prior written permission has been granted by ophello. ophello understands that the english words used in this post are considered public domain, however, any use of any 2 or more word combination contained herein is considered intellectual property of ophello, and any use is strictly prohibited. The thoughts and ideas contained in this post are also copyrighted and protected by international law. Please do not think any of these thoughts, as that would be stealing. . . .stealing my intellectual property, and a piece of my soul. The reader of this comment implicity agrees to this and is bound by contract, and acknowledges that ophello will somehow lose diggs and also money, and will no longer be able to post comments if there is not sufficient incentive (read: ridiculously large profits extracted as rents from society) to continue posting, due to piracy of ophello's ideas, including any 2 or more word combinations contained herein. It is understood that if I.P. rights are not granted, society will stop creating, stop inventing, stop making music, stop thinking, and therefore we will all die, if we cannot be petty and put our proverbial books down on the proverbial seat to save our proverbial place in a gigantic register of human thoughts which makes a laughable attempt at trying to document and reserve protection for the near infinitesimal sum of human thoughts and ideas.
njdoo7Feb 1, 2012
Fortunately enough for you, kwanijml doesn't have enough cronies in the "justice" department to arrest you and fine you 1 million dollars for lost sales of his post. However, if he increases his "campaign contributions" you might see some jail time. I hope you aren't on your grandma's computer right now, or she may end up in jail when the FBI is finally on it (after kwanijml paypal's obama).
You are a pirate and have stolen from kwanijml. I don't think you understand the repercussions of this. Kwanijml may never post again, as he has no purpose of posting when you copy his work. Let's hope he can feed himself tonight.
kwanijmlFeb 1, 2012
While I appreciate your concern; I have found alternate means of generating revenue from my postings.
I now post comments live, on a giant whiteboard, in arenas and colluseums nationwide in front of thousands.
I encourage my audience to copy my words as much as they want.
Why do they pay to come and see what they are already reading for free online? Well, you see, I add value to my itellectual offerings by throwing fruit and large gourds at the whiteboard. . . . .really thrills the audience. Stay out of the front 2 rows if you don't like getting messy. . . you're in the fruit juice zone!
njdoo7Feb 1, 2012
Be careful before Sea World sues you for reusing their idea and enhancing it!
beckeristFeb 1, 2012
or Gallagher
kwanijmlFeb 1, 2012
{shakes fist in the air}
jibbityjabFeb 1, 2012
I agree 100% with your comment except, if I wrote it, I would've said, "it won't happen as quickly as it should" because I believe it will happen sooner than a lot of people think. The only tool the IP monopolists have is the state and they're fighting an impossible battle.
Why the State Will Fail: http://c4ss.org/content/9613
So What if SOPA Passes? http://c4ss.org/content/9566
Let the monopolists continue to waste billions purchasing unenforceable laws while we ignore them, not only eroding their monopoly profits but also rendering their political power ($$$) useless.
rightfutureFeb 8, 2012
The Copyright issue is one of the most important issues in our society today.
It is all about the value of an idea, and who has a right to it.
Society gives the creator of an idea an exclusive right to it, for a fair time, so that they may benefit and be rewarded for the value of creating it. At the end of that time, the value of that idea is available to everyone in the society, so that society benefits from it. This way ideas can not be hoarded forever, and the creator has exclusive time to benefit from it.
This brings up 3 questions.
1. What is a fair amount of time, so that both the creator of the idea, and the Society gain benefit from it?
2. Is this the best way to encourage ideas, benefit individuals, and share them with society?
3. Should anyone else be allowed to control or influence this balance.
Society exists as a contract between individuals to work together to live a better life. Together we are supposed to multiply our individual efforts. This is the heart of the basic social contract. Society itself was founded when two people decided to work together for mutual benefit to get more done.
-You do this and I do that and together more gets done.
-I watch your back, you watch mine, and together we are better protected.
-You fish and I raise crops and together we have more food.
Simply put, two people have a farther reach than one does alone.
If we care about each other, together we have more care.
Society needs the best reward possible for ideas so it must come up with the best incentive possible for individuals to come up with them.
I will repeat this statement and explore these questions elsewhere in the comments under this story for the sake of not repeating myself. Please tell me what you think.
rotfoxFeb 1, 2012
I can see the next piracy war of the century coming a mile away.
SauntOroloFeb 1, 2012
TL:DR Below is a rambling unprofessional jumble of thoughts- but consider how amazing torrented designs and the Open Source Ecology project really are!
While it is reasonable to point out the chilling effects of copyright and intellectual property on this sort of manufacture, it is worth pointing out that pioneers are trail blazing alternate routes for going from the drawing board to mass production. Maker culture, open design culture Arduino chips (aimed at amateur enthusiasts but developing an increasingly sophisticated following) and Open Source Ecology designs are blazing the way forward.
Anyone who has worked repairing equipment knows that some manufacturers open their supply chains and have replaceable modules and some manufacturers don't. (Tip: Sometimes you can use paint thinner to remove glossy varnish to get access to solder faulty circuit boards. Also consider checking your local bay of pirates for service manuals from manufacturers.) Not all manufacturers aim for producing a product with built in obsolescence, and as our economy slows down smart consumers will demand products built for durability from one source or another.
Initiatives like the Open Source Ecology hardware are remarkable for what they achieve in terms of real world crowd sourced designed equipment, and also remarkable for being an example of a culture of openness while achieving results. Spimes and the "internet of things" are going to help fill the gap in our economy if these experiments continue to bear fruit. http://makeprojects.com/c/Open_Source_Ecology
mrchekhovFeb 1, 2012
"But what does Riley most want to print right now? “Another 3D printer,” he said."
The kid is already thinking recursively like a LISP programmer. A 3D printer printing another 3D printer!
billfisherFeb 1, 2012
Imagine if the can create food, no more world hunger.
njdoo7Feb 1, 2012
Imagine if someone owns the idea or genetic composition of food.
Well the latter is already true for some food items.
blamecanadaFeb 1, 2012
I suppose the replicator has to start somewhere, but until I can order up a hot cup of Earl Grey on command...meh.
grabateFeb 1, 2012
I can just see people downloading and printing Ikea pieces, then being unable to print the instructions to put together because they don't have an ordinary printer.
linageeFeb 1, 2012
Or they decided not to kill any trees and they just viewed the instructions on a monitor.
njdoo7Feb 1, 2012
I print all comment threads on digg, so every time you post you are contributing to the killing of trees.
Sarcasm aside, I do support the notion of killing as few trees as possible for efficiency and sustainability purposes.
jpdeveerFeb 1, 2012
hate to see your bill for toner
wilhoitmFeb 2, 2012
When can we start printing food? Tea, Earl Grey, Hot!
wilhoitmFeb 2, 2012
It is not a 3D printer, on Star Trek it was called a replicator.
darksaturnFeb 1, 2012
Download STL files from the internet to print on a rapid prototyper?
Why I never... http://www.thingiverse.com/
zeromike22Feb 1, 2012
Kids like this should be imitated. They are the next Bill gates and Steve JObs
sonicomegaFeb 1, 2012
make your own "paper" airplane out of material stronger than paper but just as light then leave a spot for the receiver (for remote control) and makeit happen. Motor doesnt break and the "paper" is cheap. I know its small thinking BUT THATS WHAT IM GOING TO DO!
sonicomegaFeb 1, 2012
Ha' One comment from the TPB post says the idea is stupid. How they must feel today.
rabbroFeb 1, 2012
Let's hope the Pirate Bay survives that long.
steven512Feb 1, 2012
Bye bye China crap.
miscgeekFeb 1, 2012
Yep, cause with 3D printing we can create or own cheap crap :)
wilhoitmFeb 2, 2012
But you know all of the 3D printers will eventually come from China!
huabentechFeb 1, 2012
nice!
nekokittayFeb 1, 2012
It is the dawning of a new era of cheap, plastic crap! Yay progress!
visnikFeb 1, 2012
you can print more than plastic, you can do metals (stainless steel, sterling silver, aluminum), glass, ceramics, sandstone. http://www.shapeways.com/materials/
nekokittayFeb 1, 2012
Interesting, I've never heard of this site!
visnikFeb 1, 2012
It's a great site, you can even use the Free Open source 3D Blender to create the objects. http://www.blender.org/
shortymcshrimpFeb 2, 2012
That's some pretty awesome stuff. I found a couple of videos on youtube showing how it's done.
Metal printing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6Px6RSL9Ac&feature=related
Hard plastic
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQHnMj6dxj4
analogkid1Feb 2, 2012
I downloaded a physical object right into the company toilet today.
rightfutureFeb 8, 2012
The Copyright issue is one of the most important issues in our society today.
It is all about the value of an idea, and who has a right to it.
Society gives the creator of an idea an exclusive right to it, for a fair time, so that they may benefit and be rewarded for the value of creating it. At the end of that time, the value of that idea is available to everyone in the society, so that society benefits from it. This way ideas can not be hoarded forever, and the creator has exclusive time to benefit from it.
This brings up 3 questions.
1. What is a fair amount of time, so that both the creator of the idea, and the Society gain benefit from it?
2. Is this the best way to encourage ideas, benefit individuals, and share them with society?
3. Should anyone else be allowed to control or influence this balance?
Society exists as a contract between individuals to work together to live a better life. Together we are supposed to multiply our individual efforts. This is the heart of the basic social contract. Society itself was founded when two people decided to work together for mutual benefit to get more done.
-You do this and I do that and together more gets done.
-I watch your back, you watch mine, and together we are better protected.
-You fish and I raise crops and together we have more food.
Simply put, two people have a farther reach than one does alone.
If we care about each other, together we have more care.
Society needs the best reward possible for ideas so it must come up with the best incentive possible for individuals to come up with them.
rightfutureFeb 8, 2012
1. What is a fair amount of time?
The first question is about balance, but it also is about access.
Does a certain amount of exclusive time benefit an individual?
The value of an idea is so variable that time becomes meaningless:
-An idea can be worthless, an idea can be priceless and change the world.
-An idea could also take forever to implement, or be applied cheaply and instantly.
-An idea could also be expensive to implement, or easy used by everyone.
-The individual could also be too poor or lack access to resources to implement it.
-The idea could only be valuable to those in a position to implement it, so the individual misses out.
-It make take to long for the individual to gain any benefit from it.
-The idea could be brilliant, but since no-one directly can make money or benefit from it the idea is not worth pursing for the individual.
If the individual can not find a way to get value from that idea, through lack of resources to implement it, in enough time, then the idea will either be stolen or lost.
Time is not necessary the best reward or incentive.
Ultimately only the successful, the wealthy, or companies with enough resources to benefit from the idea, in the time they can make for themselves, will have the possibility for that benefit, and not the individual idea creator.
If the individual creator misses out, not only will he not get that incentive, the idea will either get forgotten or co-opted so that the wrong people benefit, more ideas will not be encouraged from that individual, and society will be a lot less likely to benefit from that idea, the success of its creator, the other ideas that could have been inspired along with it, and pretty much the benefit of the idea is lost(or stolen)
rightfutureFeb 8, 2012
2. So what is the best way?
There are no guarantees on the value, the worth, or the expiration date of the idea.
Time is arbitrary.
It doesn't necessarily benefit the creator.
Giving them too much or too little, with no capacity to realize it, does neither the individual nor society much good.
also both the Society and the Individual are taking a gamble that the idea can be be turned into value in the arbitrary time that is set. Letting that time expire without value, only benefits those with resources who are ready to snap up the idea, or take it from the individual.
Even if the individual has resources or can sell out their value to access them with some benefit left, time is wasted. The idea sits, while the individual struggles to get some value from it, and the society waits for it to come available. Probably the only winners will be the companies and exploiters waiting for an idea to be snatch-able.
Money is arbitrary.
Not only is the immediate or eventual value in money hard to capture and deliver to the individual fairly, but the timing of value is so variable that only the society may see that value.
Only those with adequate resources have a chance to quantify that value.
Society misses out because only those who can benefit from the idea are rewarded. The individual is without value, and is likely discouraged from more ideas, and society misses out on all of the lost, improperly implemented, and misplaced ideas
Any value or lack thereof that is inadequately delivered, is a loss to both the individual and society.
So what should we do?
We need every good idea we can get.
Letting any correct opportunity pass is another second we let ideas die, individuals miss out on their benefit(both creators and citizens) and society itself from a poverty of good ideas getting implemented.
Every single member of society benefits from the proper implementation of good ideas. We all have an incentive to bring them to light, as quickly, and effectively as possible.
Every person with a idea of value should be encouraged to have more, and rewarded for the value to society it brings.
The solution, in my opinion, is to fix the way we reward ideas:
(A & B cover my idea to do so)
rightfutureFeb 8, 2012
A. We need to Care about all steps of an idea.
We all need better ideas:
Ideas to solve cancer, to end suffering, to help us live our lives better. Big, small, as long as they have potential to move us in a positive direction, they have value.
1.The only way to find more of the better ideas is to produce as many as possible.
2.The only way to have as many as possible to to encourage everyone and help them make those ideas better.
3.The more ideas a person goes through the more likely they will find a better one.
4.The more we help everyone go through those ideas, the more likely it is that we will find the good ones.
5.The more likely we are to help all good ideas see the light of day, and not the ones that benefit us directly, the more likely an idea that does will come our way.
6.The more we help the idea creator, the more we are part of the value creating process and the more we should share in the value of its creation.
7.The more that the creator benefits from the value of their idea, the more ideas they will be likely to create.
8.The more that everyone looks to reward the creator, with time, money, and help to create their good idea, the more the company/society deserves to share in that value.
9.The more you/we get past our individual selfishness, greed, and group apathy, the more you/we will see the value in helping the idea, and the value in helping the creator benefit so that you/we will have an opportunity to share in the best extent of the benefits of seeing an idea created properly, not just it's wealth generated.
How should the creator get paid?
They should get all the help they need to see the idea through, by everyone who can.
They should continue to have time, money, and help incentives to encourage them to come up with more ideas.
Society, groups, and individual must continue to search for ways to value these idea, not just by helping them reach their potential, or encouraging new ones, by by finding fair ways of compensation through money, help, and time.
To Society, ideas that don't make money can have just as much value as ideas that do. Society should find a way to measure the value and compensate the creator for the results of those ideas. We shouldn't just pursue ideas that are affordable or produce profit, every ideas deserves to survive on its merit to society.
rightfutureFeb 8, 2012
B. We need to make sure that the Creator of an idea gets all the help they need.
Once a creator creates as idea,
Everyone needs to help evaluate the value of it.
Society, groups, individuals all need to learn how to evaluate ideas, and overcome their natural resistance to change or jealousy, so that the idea can have the pure value of its truth.
Since the pure idea is what is valuable to its implementation, making sure that idea is clearly realized is vital.
Society must insure that the idea is not co-opted or corrupted for the idea to have it's maximum value.
One a good idea is created, and it's value determined, it must be should be implemented correctly to hold it's value.
Every entity that can help should be allowed to share in it's created value, to the degree that is fair, not what can be negotiated.
The creator must be kept involved so that not only the creator can receive some direct benefit in it's result, be also so his insight can be used to realize the scope of the idea.
However the idea is implemented, usually through businesses who can bring the idea to life, the idea should be immediately available to as much of society as is wise, to expose the idea to the healthy competition and cooperation of improvement. This means that society should have immediate access to the idea. Maybe not everyone should or will have access to it, but it makes sense to develop the idea as widely as wise so that the idea can flourish on its own merits. The best strategy for society is to make good decisions on how that implementation should occur for the idea to be realized, and the creator rewarded.
How do we as individuals benefit from helping the creator?
The way we all get direct value is the connection we have to producing value in the ideas, or through the ideas benefit to helping us.
How does society benefit?
The benefit of idea is far more than what money can be squeezed out of it.
Focusing on the value of the idea itself, lets it develop the true value it should have, and it is in everybody's best interest to reward the idea creator, with help, resources, and time. Likewise it is in the best interest of the creator to share that value with those who help the ideas value, and those who could benefit from it. The indirect value of any idea, not only inspires other ideas, or indirect reaches those who help it, it invests in the success of society, and therefore helps everyone. Seeing that value is vital for everyone, every single member of society.
Society, and all the individuals within it, benefit from good ideas, so they should do everything they can to see that good idea creators can realize them.
Every good idea should see the light of day.
rightfutureFeb 8, 2012
3. Should anyone else be allowed to control or influence this balance?
Yes and no.
Once a good idea is created, it should be both the property of the creator and the society. Both have an incentive to see a good idea developed as purely as possible.
The idea should have a life of its own, to guarantee that its value is realized for both the creator and society.
Only the creator has the insight of its creation. So it is important that the idea is not corrupted so that it misses its purpose. The creator should be involved
in all implementations of the idea.
Likewise the creator could have bad judgement, or someone else could have vital insight. It is equally true that an idea could be be implemented with bad judgement or used to
Society and those who have the ability to implement the idea correctly should have some check and balance over the creator, and the creator has some right to insure the idea is realized correctly. Determining this fairly is a uncertain thing but figuring out how to do it is worth it.
I truly believe that companies, and individuals who seek to control an idea for any purpose other than creating value for those who should benefit, should be prevented from participating. Their purpose is to either to make money from it, benefit from it themselves, or use it for a purpose differently than seeing it realized. Some ideas produce no direct value to their implementers. Society itself needs to reward and value these ideas appropriately so money does not corrupt the purpose of ideas. Ideas simply shouldn't be valued primarily on their ability to make money. Quantifiable or not, the idea should be developed on it merits.
For example, if you have discovered the Cure for Cancer, the idea shouldn't be waited on until the person finds a way to implement it, it also shouldn't be sat on by a big corporation looking to profit from it, the idea deserves to be delivered to those who can benefit from it as soon as possible. Money as the only incentive will simply cause the idea of a Cure for Cancer to wait for one that a person can charge for it.
Ideas themselves need to be motivated by clear purpose. Any other implementation, for the purpose of money. control, greed, or power will corrupt the value for everyone.
The issue of idea creation and copyright is about control and balance between individuals and society. Doing it intelligently and fairly will allow more good ideas be developed, so that both Society and Idea creators can benefit simultaneously from ideas done right.
Lawrence Lessig also has some interesting insight on making this process fair. Check it out.
www.amazon.com/Future-Ideas-Commons-Connected-World/dp/0375726446
tumultuoustFeb 2, 2012
I LOL'd when he said he wanted to use a 3D printer to print a 3D printer... it never even occurred to me before for whatever reason; also he sounds very mature for a 8th grader.
stobbesFeb 2, 2012
I wouldn't download a car? Soon!
albertinasplawnFeb 1, 2012
Thanks
jpdeveerFeb 1, 2012
So what if it's 3D, it will be useless unless you stock your printer with steel and wood needed to make the 3D objects. I do not see how you can properly cut steel to make car parts with a printer. It seems like an expensive gimmick.
visnikFeb 1, 2012
See my reply above. oh and just FYI, Jay Leno already does this, i'll see if I can find you link.
visnikFeb 1, 2012
Here you go. http://www.jaylenosgarage.com/extras/articles/jay-lenos-3d-printer-replaces-rusty-old-parts-1/
jpdeveerFeb 3, 2012
Wow! Impressive applications.
untitledavFeb 1, 2012
Downloading pirated hardware awesome