gizmodo.com— "Mrs. Chen," as CNN calls her, works in a Foxconn plant installing iPad screens for virtually every waking hour of her life. Despite this, she never actually saw an iPad until CNN whisked her away.
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other company that uses factories with poor labor conditions. Companies such as: Amazon, Barnes & Noble, Cisco, Dell, HP, Intel, IBM, Microsoft, Nintendo, Panasonic, Samsung, Sony, etc. The companies listed are all Foxconn clients, as are many more
More importantly, price points are strongly affected by market demand. The cost would have to go up obviously, and fewer people would by iPads, but is that really the worst thing in the world? We all got along just fine without them, they are a luxury item which has been made widely available through Chinese slave labor.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
Who do you want to bet on that list was buying commercial time on CNN?
These news shows only cover an actual atrocity if another corporation pays them good money to do so.
The silence concerning all the OTHER companies on that list is quite telling, and you'd think that CNN's writers would spend the 10 seconds of due diligence to discover this fact.
... well, I might have thought they'd be more informed than me 10 years ago.
Wait... I buried you and then I dugg you up, because I realized you were talking about the Film Noir effect so they could make the video look like it was secretly captured behind enemy lines by a pin-hole camera.
The added value, from the assembly in China, to the iPhone is roughly $6.50. Not very much at all, so even a 10X increase wouldn't change the value by a significant amount. It's purely, profit-margin driven. Nothing wrong with profit, I'm not a commie-pinko-lib, but sacrificing ones dignity and that of others, by using others, for a percentage or two in profit-margin? Not cool.
From this very interesting paper;
"Chinese workers simply put all these parts and components together and contribute only US $6.5 to each iPhone, about 3.6% of the total manufacturing cost "
These people in China are being used, as though don't really have anything better. Sure, at least they are employed, but as I said, it's strictly for a couple points in profit-margin. If the day arrives they wake up and demand higher pay, we'll probably see some assembly moving to another part of the world where people will happily work all day for the sake of the margins....errr I mean their family.
The assembly is close to the supply of parts -- it's a few hours.
So if these parts were sent by boat or airplane to the USA, you add 1 or 2 days to assembly.
>> The SOLUTION, is that the US needs to adopt some import laws like Brazil that have high penalties on things that are not primarily built in Brazil.
This is where we need that "dirty old Big Government" -- there is no business in the world that is going to RAISE THE BAR on manufacturing unless we force them to.
Apple had already pushed to improve standards -- but they can't suddenly make the USA develop manufacturing, chips production and the electronics factories -- it would take a couple of years.
This is the problem caused by the Globalists cry to "become competitive" and for every industry we let move offshore, there are a dozen inter-related support related industries that are effected.
You want to bring iPad production to the states? Raise tariffs and push for related semiconductor industries.
The COST of manufacturing is the LEAST of the issues that makes Apple and EVERY OTHER electronics company produce these products in the far East.
how about we stop giving a damn about china. you people don't understand the complexities of the situation. they live in a country of 1.5 billion people. The US can't even create enough jobs for 300 million of its own. without foxconn these people would be living on the streets in the chinese economy. foxconn ALREADY raised employee pay. they literally make middle class wages now, and they still get room and board so they save even more money there.
in fact china would LOVE if the rest of the world agreed that its citizens were owed more, just an excuse to raise prices and make more profit. we're literally sympathizing our way into their pockets. the chinese fatcats have used their power and influence to influence YOU, implanting ideas in your head through media and you don't even realize it. seemingly 'american' sources aren't american at all. most large 'american' companies in the US are owned by chinese fatcats. most of america was bought off in the 80's and 90's. I mean come the f**k on, who do you think caused all of this outsourcing in the first place? no, it was not rich white americans. they are merely pawns and figureheads.
china wins twice by buying american companies and directing them to outsource to china, the great money funnel to china.
china's population problem is the bed they made for themselves, so let them lay in it. they give less of a damn about you than you do about them.
am i supposed to feel sorry or sad about these people.america is no better with there treatment of there working class poor people and not to mention the homeless.
Well, yes and no. IIRC, China is going through it's own industrial revolution of sorts, meaning you have a glut of people moving into urban areas as well as having poor worker rights.
America still treats it's working class like animals (well, many places do at least), but they tend to get compensated a little better and aren't as concentrated.
This is so sad. I would gladly, buy most products in my life at a higher pay scale or go without to see these people treated better - an iPhone, Xbox, or iPad just isn't worth it.
These people would be starving to death if not treated horribly at Foxconn. That's why so many people are willing to work at Foxconn, because they are poor with no opportunities. It's the same story if you ask prostitutes, they don't like their job, clearly, but need the little money it provides.
I would love to see someone first quote the cost of living where these workers live vs what they are making. I'm tired of seeing drama queens quoting the amount in USD and talk as though these people are living here in the US.
Notice I didn't say that I wanted her to quit, I understand that. I said that I, and I'm sure many others, would be willing to pay more in order for them to be treated better. Whether that extra money actually makes into the employee's pockets is a whole other issue.
No since people are already paying a premium for Apple devices. If cell carriers weren't subsidizing the cost of the iPhone far fewer people would own one. The iPad is VERY expensive and constitutes a major purchase for most Americans as it is. I can't see most people saying they'd be happy to pay even more just so some stranger in another country can earn a little bit more per hour.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
Some of the responsibility for jobs going overseas is born by unions. My father worked for a company that (among other things) imported sneakers from Korea. Not only couldn't they make the sneakers here because it would have raised the price 400% (despite paying the Korean workers a relatively (for there) wage, once here the ships went to Canada to be loaded on trains because what the US longshoremen charged it would have doubled the price. It's not all one sided.
garrywFeb 7, 2012
now show a mcdonalds employee what their food tastes like lol
UncleRuckuFeb 7, 2012
other company that uses factories with poor labor conditions. Companies such as: Amazon, Barnes & Noble, Cisco, Dell, HP, Intel, IBM, Microsoft, Nintendo, Panasonic, Samsung, Sony, etc. The companies listed are all Foxconn clients, as are many more
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foxconn#Major_customers
norman619Feb 7, 2012
And if they switched you'd bitch about the jump in the cost of their products.
mlw4428Feb 7, 2012
They could equal out the price if they weren't paying execs millions of dollars to do the job that any moron can do.
mjm6783Feb 7, 2012
More importantly, price points are strongly affected by market demand. The cost would have to go up obviously, and fewer people would by iPads, but is that really the worst thing in the world? We all got along just fine without them, they are a luxury item which has been made widely available through Chinese slave labor.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
sabachFeb 7, 2012
A moron in a hurry could outperform them.
vitriolandangstFeb 7, 2012
Who do you want to bet on that list was buying commercial time on CNN?
These news shows only cover an actual atrocity if another corporation pays them good money to do so.
The silence concerning all the OTHER companies on that list is quite telling, and you'd think that CNN's writers would spend the 10 seconds of due diligence to discover this fact.
... well, I might have thought they'd be more informed than me 10 years ago.
rudegarFeb 7, 2012
ooohh my dog what evil foxconn chemicals made her black and white :O
vitriolandangstFeb 7, 2012
Wait... I buried you and then I dugg you up, because I realized you were talking about the Film Noir effect so they could make the video look like it was secretly captured behind enemy lines by a pin-hole camera.
I see what CNN did there.
bennygeoFeb 7, 2012
The added value, from the assembly in China, to the iPhone is roughly $6.50. Not very much at all, so even a 10X increase wouldn't change the value by a significant amount. It's purely, profit-margin driven. Nothing wrong with profit, I'm not a commie-pinko-lib, but sacrificing ones dignity and that of others, by using others, for a percentage or two in profit-margin? Not cool.
From this very interesting paper;
"Chinese workers simply put all these parts and components together and contribute only US $6.5 to each iPhone, about 3.6% of the total manufacturing cost "
http://adbi.org/files/2010.12.14.wp257.iphone.widens.us.trade.deficit.prc.pdf
These people in China are being used, as though don't really have anything better. Sure, at least they are employed, but as I said, it's strictly for a couple points in profit-margin. If the day arrives they wake up and demand higher pay, we'll probably see some assembly moving to another part of the world where people will happily work all day for the sake of the margins....errr I mean their family.
vitriolandangstFeb 7, 2012
No, it isn't JUST profit driven.
The assembly is close to the supply of parts -- it's a few hours.
So if these parts were sent by boat or airplane to the USA, you add 1 or 2 days to assembly.
>> The SOLUTION, is that the US needs to adopt some import laws like Brazil that have high penalties on things that are not primarily built in Brazil.
This is where we need that "dirty old Big Government" -- there is no business in the world that is going to RAISE THE BAR on manufacturing unless we force them to.
Apple had already pushed to improve standards -- but they can't suddenly make the USA develop manufacturing, chips production and the electronics factories -- it would take a couple of years.
This is the problem caused by the Globalists cry to "become competitive" and for every industry we let move offshore, there are a dozen inter-related support related industries that are effected.
You want to bring iPad production to the states? Raise tariffs and push for related semiconductor industries.
The COST of manufacturing is the LEAST of the issues that makes Apple and EVERY OTHER electronics company produce these products in the far East.
cantstopwontstopFeb 8, 2012
how about we stop giving a damn about china. you people don't understand the complexities of the situation. they live in a country of 1.5 billion people. The US can't even create enough jobs for 300 million of its own. without foxconn these people would be living on the streets in the chinese economy. foxconn ALREADY raised employee pay. they literally make middle class wages now, and they still get room and board so they save even more money there.
in fact china would LOVE if the rest of the world agreed that its citizens were owed more, just an excuse to raise prices and make more profit. we're literally sympathizing our way into their pockets. the chinese fatcats have used their power and influence to influence YOU, implanting ideas in your head through media and you don't even realize it. seemingly 'american' sources aren't american at all. most large 'american' companies in the US are owned by chinese fatcats. most of america was bought off in the 80's and 90's. I mean come the f**k on, who do you think caused all of this outsourcing in the first place? no, it was not rich white americans. they are merely pawns and figureheads.
china wins twice by buying american companies and directing them to outsource to china, the great money funnel to china.
china's population problem is the bed they made for themselves, so let them lay in it. they give less of a damn about you than you do about them.
vitriolandangstFeb 7, 2012
Seriously, when is this going to be something besides a hit piece on Apple computers?
I'm betting the commercial funding for these TV shows that do these editorials is coming directly from competitors of Apple.
>> There are VERY FEW electronics that are NOT produced in the same manner as FoxConn or in worse situations.
>> Apple is the company that originally blew the whistle on these sweatshops and pushed for improvements.
Are we ignoring all the other Electronics manufacturers who have parts made in sweat shops? Yes, yes we are.
ka5p3rFeb 7, 2012
am i supposed to feel sorry or sad about these people.america is no better with there treatment of there working class poor people and not to mention the homeless.
MadocComadrinFeb 8, 2012
Well, yes and no. IIRC, China is going through it's own industrial revolution of sorts, meaning you have a glut of people moving into urban areas as well as having poor worker rights.
America still treats it's working class like animals (well, many places do at least), but they tend to get compensated a little better and aren't as concentrated.
gregwhitworthFeb 7, 2012
This is so sad. I would gladly, buy most products in my life at a higher pay scale or go without to see these people treated better - an iPhone, Xbox, or iPad just isn't worth it.
geezorFeb 7, 2012
These people would be starving to death if not treated horribly at Foxconn. That's why so many people are willing to work at Foxconn, because they are poor with no opportunities. It's the same story if you ask prostitutes, they don't like their job, clearly, but need the little money it provides.
norman619Feb 7, 2012
I would love to see someone first quote the cost of living where these workers live vs what they are making. I'm tired of seeing drama queens quoting the amount in USD and talk as though these people are living here in the US.
A little context and perspective go a long way.
gregwhitworthFeb 7, 2012
Notice I didn't say that I wanted her to quit, I understand that. I said that I, and I'm sure many others, would be willing to pay more in order for them to be treated better. Whether that extra money actually makes into the employee's pockets is a whole other issue.
norman619Feb 7, 2012
No since people are already paying a premium for Apple devices. If cell carriers weren't subsidizing the cost of the iPhone far fewer people would own one. The iPad is VERY expensive and constitutes a major purchase for most Americans as it is. I can't see most people saying they'd be happy to pay even more just so some stranger in another country can earn a little bit more per hour.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
norman619Feb 7, 2012
What does it matter if she's never seen one before?
salbatrossFeb 7, 2012
Because we all know that CNN airs nothing but hard-hitting, world-shaking news.
norman619Feb 7, 2012
Makes sense...
vitriolandangstFeb 7, 2012
We all know that they only air hard-hitting, world-shaking news if its important to a sponsor.
Otherwise they titillate us with the same old half-researched bulls**t that's 2 years older than the article on Digg it came from.
MadocComadrinFeb 8, 2012
Well, just as a matter of curiosity, I'd love to see the end-product if I was on an assembly line.
KapsiotFeb 7, 2012
She'll need to work harder if she wants to buy one.
norman619Feb 7, 2012
this may be a shock but an iPad is not vital to life. It's an expensive toy.
MadocComadrinFeb 8, 2012
Right sentiment, wrong place.
trapped_in_chainsMar 7, 2012
well, at least she's earning a living and eating food and living decently.. a lot of people aren't as blessed
dfraggdFeb 7, 2012
wondering if anyone read this article on their iPad? o the irony...
dfraggdFeb 7, 2012
wondering if anyone read this article on their iPad? o the irony...
msternbergFeb 7, 2012
Some of the responsibility for jobs going overseas is born by unions. My father worked for a company that (among other things) imported sneakers from Korea. Not only couldn't they make the sneakers here because it would have raised the price 400% (despite paying the Korean workers a relatively (for there) wage, once here the ships went to Canada to be loaded on trains because what the US longshoremen charged it would have doubled the price. It's not all one sided.