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slappybag9Oct 18, 2010
cuz it sux
linageeOct 19, 2010
The article sounds like some sort of IE 9 advertisement in the end. Even if IE 9 turned out to be great, we'll have to wait 10+ years before everyone updates to it.
audiomodderOct 19, 2010
you want to know why geeks hate IE? because they don't conform to standards. they expect the world to change around them. it's like the old joke: how many Microsoft engineers does it take to change a lightbulb? 0, you just establish darkness as the new standard.
puppyhitterOct 19, 2010
Because FireFox have something IE dun really hav http://bit.ly/bExixI
ReachedOMOct 20, 2010
exactly, too much market share
lvaneedeOct 20, 2010
I lol'd
tusseydOct 20, 2010
Exactly correct. If M/S conformed to HTML and CSS standards, it would be a much more loved and successful browser.
djkofiOct 20, 2010
Are you sure you don't mean Apple's engineers?
klipschfanOct 22, 2010
They will sucker people back in only to pull the bug rug out from underneath them again.
Oh no! Hacked again?!
helmrathOct 23, 2010
What a load of bulls**t. It's IE that doesn't conform to any standards. In fact, "we" web geeks are very much in favor of standards. Standards are what make websites display correctly in all browsers that are NOT IE, like for example your fancy new iPhone.
atomic1fireOct 19, 2010
That being said, at least IE9 is getting somewhere, Canvas was even added.
Chrome is still innovating at a faster pace though, and I really don't see much of a competition until IE9 is released, and people move to 7. unless windows 8 steps its game up from that with a Newer IE.
davelogOct 19, 2010
http://css3wizardry.com/2010/08/14/ie9-is-the-ie6-of-css3/
swimmin00Oct 19, 2010
Even if IE9 is perfect, nothing will change about the fact that it renders differently from IE6, IE7 and IE8. Right now, some site builds force us to use a different javascript file or a different CSS file for every different version of IE... a new version won't help that at all.
deathfiredOct 20, 2010
Not to mention IE9 wont work on winXP and the vast majority of people still using older browsers also still use XP.
tableboyOct 19, 2010
http://mrdoob.com/lab/javascript/effects/ie6/
treasOct 20, 2010
I'm having way too much fun with this
Closed AccountOct 19, 2010
You sure showed Microsoft! Talking abut something that you have never used (as in the last several versions) makes YOU seem intelligent!
behttoOct 26, 2010
There's another more important reason: most geeks hate MS and its products: http://www.bloggerpolis.com/2010/10/why-geeks-hate-internet-explorer/
arcanealtairOct 19, 2010
Because there are better web browsers.
[Firefox, Chrome. etc]
WckdnessOct 19, 2010
Safari :D
cuishi14Oct 19, 2010
firefox sucks
Closed AccountOct 19, 2010
No, the correct answer should be:
Because I use Linux.....
cussinsailor35Oct 19, 2010
Firefox as of late has been a thorn in my side...keeps hanging on file|close...I've all but switched to chrome for all my browser needs.
beyondsightOct 20, 2010
if it does that, it's because you don't have it configured correctly.
segdehaOct 21, 2010
Sorry, that answer doesn't work for the 99.99% of people who wouldn't have any idea what you're talking about.
shadounessOct 20, 2010
or maybe haven't got it updated as of late? It's in version 3.6.10+ atm.
cussinsailor35Oct 20, 2010
just updated to 3.6.1.1 hopefully it will fix the issue.
shadounessOct 21, 2010
all right! I Hope it works...
shellacedOct 19, 2010
By that logic you would hate every woman on earth other than Gisele Bundchen
freelogoanimsOct 20, 2010
Yer firefox sort of like closes on me for some reason sometimes?
I wonder sometimes to go back to my browser without firefox installed
pressingtheissOct 23, 2010
What about Opera? I think it's just as fast as chrome if not faster!
agmlauncherOct 19, 2010
I can't necessarily speak for people who use IE, but as a web designer I can tell you that it's the black sheep of the web browser market. What works for Firefox, Chrome, Safari, and Opera, almost never works for IE. You have to hack your code or create separate stylesheets for IE users just so the site doesn't look broken to them.
For a long time, IE didn't support alpha transparency, and still doesn't support CSS corner rounding. Additionally, it's really laggy. I'm not sure if it's a javascript issue, or an issue with the :hover pseudo element, but there's an obnoxious lag when mousing over a list of links using the :hover element.
The worse part is, IE9 has not fixed any of these issues. IE9 is no better than IE7 or 8 are. I thought IE9 was more standards compliant, but it's not. It's just as laggy and far behind all the other browsers as its predecessors.
weloyttyOct 19, 2010
regarding standards compliance, the IE9 beta on my machine gets 95/100 on Acid3 from http://acid3.acidtests.org/, and firefox 3.6.1 is 93. While it's not 100, it's a heck of a lot better than IE8s TWENTY
rchargelOct 19, 2010
Chrome gets 100/100
Closed AccountOct 19, 2010
Yep, so does Safari.
kujotxOct 19, 2010
True. Chrome did receive 100/100, but fails to pass the test.
"To pass the test, a browser must use its default settings, the animation has to be smooth, the score has to end on 100/100, and the final page has to look exactly, pixel for pixel, like this reference rendering."
My Chrome (6.0.472.63) failed to render the graphic in the above manner.
demdudeOct 19, 2010
huh, my Chrome (7.0.517.41) only gets 97... That's weird...
metalhead87Oct 19, 2010
I mainly use Firefox, but I have Chrome installed. My firefox got 94/100 and didn't render the image properly.
My Chrome (6.0.472.63) passed. Got 100/100 and rendered the image correctly.
joker1124Oct 19, 2010
Opera 10.63 Got 100/100 and rendered the image correctly
enantiodromiaOct 19, 2010
100/100, up to date but unmodified Safari.
soaveOct 20, 2010
Firefox 4.0 b6 gets 97. So close! :(
rethreadOct 20, 2010
http://imgur.com/AdBRj.jpg
Acid Test results on IE8, Chrome, and Firefox. All fully up to date, no betas. 64 Bit and 32 Bit IE8 popped the same.
Yeah, I'm that untrusting mutherf**ker.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
rethreadOct 20, 2010
Sure, you can trust the web with an up to date system. I DON'T. There are levels of protection from websites ya stumble over. Internet Explorer reigned in Active X admirably. Chrome just does its thing, just hope for the best. FF with Script blocker allows a lot of choice.
So what is the value of the browser based upon what it doesn't do "auto-magically"? FF is what I use. IE is second. Chrome is third, granted mods and personal decisions on security are involved. That's how I rate them on what can be done or blocked with them.
rethreadOct 20, 2010
And this is why I have "trust" issues. Here are new links to the others which were deleted by who the f**k knows.
FireFox
http://imgur.com/AhvYr.jpg
IE8
http://imgur.com/correct
Annoying. But it's cool for sharing single images, I suppose.
(edit: see that last link?)Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
rethreadOct 20, 2010
IE8
http://imgur.com/qhA4c.jpg
Mostly, we just don't know the machines very well and don't inherently trust them. Some of us.
stevethepocketOct 21, 2010
Someone needs to make an Acid4 test that does for CSS3 compliance what Acid2 did for CSS2. I again refer to this link: http://css3wizardry.com/2010/08/14/ie9-is-the-ie6-of-css3/
eimersaufenOct 19, 2010
@agmlauncher: Open your Task manager and look at the CPU load when you mouse over the list of hover links. I have no idea wtf IE does to generate 50 - 100% CPU load for this tiny visual effect, but that's where the lag comes from.
cidinhoOct 19, 2010
That doesn't happen at all. Using IE 9 on a Windows 7 machine.
agmlauncherOct 19, 2010
Yup. That did it. I have a quad core CPU and only one core's load completely peaks out. Seems it's a combination of poor coding and lack of multi-threading support for that particular function.
Looks like IE 9's core code was written before multi-core/multi-threaded processors existed. Glad to see all microsoft did was take IE6 and update it instead of rewriting the entire thing from scratch.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
ultramagnus0001Oct 19, 2010
I don't know where everyone is getting IE9 is fast. It's faster than previous versions, but Firefox 4 and Chrome feels a lot faster to me. Chrome seems to be the fastest to me but I still use Firefox 4.
noetichatterNov 22, 2010
IE9 is blazing fast compared to 7 and 8 (I don't rate 6 at all, which is fortunately my privilege since I am not a webdev).
But you are absolutely correct in that in Windows, Chrome feels fastest to me. Firefox is the most feature rich (because of the add-ons). And Opera seems to be the prettiest interface.
I use Chrome and Firefox. I have tried IE9 and enjoyed it, but as the article discusses, I don't trust it.
Closed AccountOct 19, 2010
No...YOU are buggy with your coding then, becuase IE 9 is much differnet than IE 7 or 8. So the problem llies with the stupid f**k sitting in FRONT of hte computer, not hte browser being used.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
tusseydOct 20, 2010
Exactly correct. IE9 is simply not compliant with many HTML, CSS, and JavaScript standards and that makes it a royal PITA to program to.
segdehaOct 21, 2010
IE9 is a giant step forward compared to IE7 or IE8. The problem is it's just catching up to where the leading browsers were about 2 years ago.
kosmoemgOct 22, 2010
I have been using CometBird with no issues, it's not a memory hog
Closed AccountOct 19, 2010
because everything about it sucks. from the way it renders pages to the way it opens you up to innumerable security vulnerabilities. It just sucks plain and simple.
Closed AccountOct 20, 2010
To be honest, I'm mostly punishing Microsoft for the years of stagnation that they gave to the web. I have a hunch that Microsoft put the kibosh on a good browser for years because they were worried it was going to gut their Office software and other cash cows.
If you sit on your monopoly and refuse to adapt to the needs of the people, other alternatives will eventually make inroads and smoke you with momentum on the way by. That' what Chrome and Firefox did, and that's why I use them.
mikborOct 19, 2010
If it only kept up and kept innovating. Oh well.
maxdOct 19, 2010
embrace extend extinguish
xdigitoOct 19, 2010
do we even really need to digg this?
aldolOct 19, 2010
Because even my grandma can render html faster than IE.
thechauvinistOct 19, 2010
...on a quilt!
johnnysoftwareOct 19, 2010
I think all developers who had been around a while and could figure things out for themselves cringed (or drooled, if they were crooks) when Microsoft announced ActiveX. Native machine language code that directly called OS API functions. What could go wrong?
Duh, plenty - and it did. Code-signing certificates were handed out to crooks who used social engineering (i.e. they were con men), IE is still correcting bugs as recently as THIS year that make it think you have granted your trust to a web site when in fact you have not, and now malware which has become endemic to the whole platform will sometimes filch public key infrastructure credentials when it finds them on a computer. The scripting component in IE is overpowered too, and Google noticed that Microsoft's scripting languages in IE are often used as leverage to get malware into Windows OS when user browses sites with IE. IE dominates as the way that computers are infected by malware from the web. And web attacks are one of the main games used by hackers.
Microsoft repeatedly put risky features into their IE, into their operating system, and into bridges between the two. Their designers/developers designed in mitigations too. Kind of like blending a poison with the antidote, so like how could that hurt? Plenty, when sometimes the antidote is defective/flawed as demonstrated by my examples. If they learn to amputate risky ideas at the planning stages for products, amputate the ones that are badly infected, and think like any flaws will be found/attacked then they will do better.
IE is an albatross around their necks. The Windows OS and MS Office badly need attention to remove problems and find suitable, safe way of accomplishing the same thing. They need to make hard choices and figure out what features to remove because they are just too unsafe. Things like Autorun should have been left out of Windows 95, and yet it was even included in Windows XP. OS compromises and browser compromises feed on each other, and can even lead to web server compromises. It is a vicious circle. Only way to end it is break the chain.
If Microsoft EOL'ed IE and came out with a security update that made it only work on local filesystem documents, not over http/https/ftp/etc. then just imagine how the US malware crisis would plummet. Spam, which makes up very close to 100% of all email sent would plunge since it comes very often from malware-infected Windows computers.
s_intharasemaOct 20, 2010
that's somple, Coz IE is not friendly.
http://thailandquick.com
johnnysoftwareOct 19, 2010
The article is completely wrong that IE was around "in the beginning". There was the original web browser created by the inventor of the web back in 1989; ran on NeXT operating system (now part of Mac OS X) and created by pretty much the same tool set used today to program Macs.
Then there was a browser called something like Cello. Not sure if that was the name or not. Then came Mosaic in the very early 1990s. Then Netscape. Then Microsoft licensed (or bought) the source code to Mosaic, which buy the way was written as a school project by the guys who went on to found Netscape and then Mozilla.
IE 3 was basically Mosaic + ActiveX.
Clearly, in the beginning there was not IE. There were browsers that were created by harnessing non-Microsoft technologies and these browsers ran on other platforms instead of and besides Windows.
al3efromanOct 19, 2010
Microsoft licensed Spyglass Mosaic. Spyglass purchased licenses for the Mosaic trademarks and technology, but their product was not the same code-base. The source was not licensed from NCSA/UIUC. This does nothing to change your point. IE, however, was not based on the original Mosaic source code written at UIUC.
i4visualmediaOct 19, 2010
I was told as long as I'm working for an Internet Specialists / Website Designers I should hate IE! :o
therefor IE sucks.
Tbh chrome has been a right #@!= lately, with javascript errors
^badword
AerodynamikeOct 19, 2010
You can't work for a Website Designers & Like IE.
/end statement
GlitterFreezeOct 19, 2010
I had this Chrome problem too, bit of a pain.
IE9 Beta is actually rather good:3 Shh, don't say anything at work.
jfoust2Oct 19, 2010
I hate the way IE8's URL drop-down doesn't implement anything close to most-recently-used or most-frequently-visited. It'll fixedly remember a site I visited once, but never remember sites I visit several times a day. Does this drop-down even have an official name? Is there an add-on that'll improve this for me?
Oh, no, don't get me started. Why does IE8 crash and hang so often? Why does it leave zombie processes? ... Why can't I pin XP's taskbar notification area (often incorrectly called "system tray") so it stays open? Why is it always auto-closing when I want to examine it? It goes on and on.
Closed AccountOct 19, 2010
There is an add on that will fix the drop down URL menu.
1. type www.firefox.com in your address bar and hit enter
2. download and install Firefox.
3. voila, problem solved.
johnnysoftwareOct 19, 2010
Well, geeks is probably a vague population to pin down. Among developers, there are several groups with different reasons.
1. Developers who embraced Microsoft's proprietary embrace & extend strategy, got caught on it like flies on flypaper, and could not escape when Microsoft took a long hiatus from catching up with web standards and fixing defective document rendering in it. IE 6 broke IE 5 stuff, IE 7 broke IE 6 stuff hard, and so forth. With other brand browsers that really did not happen that much. There was a standard spec, and other makers followed it more closely - or successfully, depending on how you look at it. Probably both ways is correct.
2. Developers who embraced W3 official web standards ended up having to write two versions of their site, one for everyone else in general and one for users who trotted up to it using IE with all its mistakes. Last few versions have brought it forward but it still lags years behind all the other browser makers.
3. Developers who use computers a lot and worry about getting infected. Look at the stats. Successful infection attacks are higher for IE than successful attacks against the other brands. On top of that recent Windows/IE patches made last year failed to fix or even amplified existing security flaws. And IE/ActiveX flaws are being frequently found by outsiders, some who report and some who exploit. Microsoft takes a long time to fix the flaws that impact IE and release the fixes as patches. Repeatedly, end users have been infected by malware thru these IE flaws between the time that a) outsiders reported them, and b) Microsoft gave a public warning about the flaw in IE/ActiveX/Windows and released a patch for the relevant software defects.
Microsoft says it is way better and safer than everyone else making browsers and so forth. But that's like the team with the losing record and players with the lowest stats saying they are the best team out there because they sell more tickets, hot dogs, T-shirts, and candy than other teams. Plus, in this case the hot dogs are making people suffering lingering ill effects.
I hope it improves but it has been bad for half a dozen years and I do not see improvements each year when I read the news, study the vulnerability/exploit history, and talk to people first hand who have been infected and attacked by infected PCs. It is not better; it's bad, really bad.
Hopefully, the new software architect will shake things up and improve IE's standards/security situation, or kill it off and let Microsoft fix crushing issues on their desktop OS and Office.
atomic1fireOct 19, 2010
I think generally there is probably a great portion that also despises IE based on feature set. IE6 was glanced over because Firefox brought tabs and a search bar. while people who still thought the internet was a blue e used Internet explorer
IE7 was not even brought until Microsoft scrambled to improve itself, then businesses/government probably sat on IE6 until windows XP was slowly dieing off, and now it's probably changing for the better.
IE8 was brought in with windows 7, but released far earlier, it's probably only growing due to the increase in windows 7 users. Chrome was released, and started slowly growing over Firefox, and Internet explorer.
Google chrome looks like the main browser as far as new improvements go, since firefox is still working on releasing 4, and chrome's releases are generally shorter term, with lots of work being done within a short time. Opera might be a second one to look at, but Id wait for opera 11 to make sure. especially since Opera 11 brings extension support.
cubineOct 19, 2010
"Microsoft says it is way better and safer than everyone else making browsers and so forth. But that's like the team with the losing record and players with the lowest stats saying they are the best team out there because they sell more tickets, hot dogs, T-shirts, and candy than other teams. Plus, in this case the hot dogs are making people suffering lingering ill effects."
Awesome analogy. Props.
healthyhideoutOct 19, 2010
I work with a few web devs with our blog on a regular basis - Both of whom have many years of experience under their belt with browser usage etc. I often overhear them "badmouthing" IE, stating how it causes them various problems on a regular basis.
From another angle, perhaps this is the work of another crafty Microsoft funded lobbyist. But who am I to judge :)
simonhamerOct 19, 2010
Because they are used to using a better browser.
Do I get a "Best Answer" for that ..... lol
mrstylzOct 19, 2010
There's an IE9?? /s We still use IE6 as standard at work...as I type this through Chrome for that reason.
bj1989Oct 19, 2010
IE6? dear god... You should find out who's responsible for that and kill him.
trax852Oct 19, 2010
I still have 6.0 on my system, I just checked http://i55.tinypic.com/2crwtfp.jpg .
I have my firewall block it, real pain as Google earth won't work without it, so be it no more google earth.
traxenOct 19, 2010
IE pretty much opened up the PC that I spent months and months on refining.. making it a target for all kinds of crap.
It said:
- Hey... I dropped a lot of the safety protocols and I will try my best avoiding to follow any of the standards. I will try to create my own and lock you in.
That sure didn't make it popular in my eyes.
wylan9021Oct 19, 2010
IE 7 started messing with file permissions was not a good thing.
de1337erOct 19, 2010
Well they had to do something about the lack of fore site they threw into ActiveX.
proverbs17Oct 19, 2010
There is one Good thing about IE and that is that it adds more competition to the mix. More competitors, breeds more competition (obviously :)). More Competition breeds better products. So in that respect, I say Go IE!
Of course I will still keep using Chrome, but that's besides the point :)
fuzzynyankoOct 19, 2010
The new IEs aren't bad, but I usually use Mozilla by default because virus writers target IE. However, I do hate websites that still require IE6 when Windows 7 can't use IE6.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
addiktionOct 19, 2010
They crapped on innovation for many years, slow, lack of going along with industry standards making it hell for web designers and front-end developers like myself and others. Hell even Firefox isn't innovating as much as it used to in terms of performance, features, etc. It seems like its playing the copy game with Chrome and Opera.
Don't get me wrong, I love me some fox and still use it from time to time because of the extensions but Chrome has become my full time browser because of the speed.
maximmOct 19, 2010
MS Fanboy written all over that. Dude get up, dust off your knees after blowing Bill and perhaps write a decent article.
johnomazzOct 19, 2010
Right now I use Google Chrome. I won't use Firefox anymore because its slow as f**k, feels bloated and takes FOREVER to load when compared to Chrome. If IE was to get back in gear and do everything well, I'd go back to IE. I never had an issue with IE except it got slow and clunky. Firefox is now on that trail and is annoying to use. Chrome works well enough to use daily for me.
morpheousmartyOct 19, 2010
'Cuase it still doesn't have spell check? That's why I hate it today. Tomorrow it will be something else.
wudmanOct 19, 2010
Geeks like things that work and don't cause their expensive, high end tech tools to be broken by software.
The chances that IE9 is going to be perfect is about the same as me winning the lottery tomorrow. IE8 might have been better, but I fix a lot of computers that have been raped by fake antiviruses that you can shut down in Chrome. Firefox is just a vulnerable, especially to java based attacks.
I do have IE and Firefox on all my computers because some websites still only write for IE which of course is completely retarded. That is no better than putting a tall, narrow staircase in front of your wheel chair store. I also have to verify how sites respond to those browsers. Otherwise it is Chrome, Firefox and IE in that order when it comes to my browsing experience.
unsigneddiggerOct 19, 2010
The only thing you should use IE for is downloading a better browser.
mrawesomemanOct 19, 2010
Funny you should ask...I just spent the last hour trying to fix one page on our website that WORKS IN EVERY BROWSER EXCEPT IE. In case you're wondering, yes, I fixed it, and yes, it had to do with IE's lack of conformity to web standards.
genesisstOct 19, 2010
Well, if it weren't for IE, there would be half as many jobs for web "developers". So stop complaining and be glad you have a job!
:-)
That being said, I'm a Chrome user (Win/Mac).Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
everglow89Oct 19, 2010
Wow.. I haven't been on Digg in a while now. I was on every day before the "update". I hate to sound like that guy but, damn, the top story has 319 diggs.
solisticeOct 19, 2010
what about opera ?
nah j/k
its420somewhereOct 19, 2010
IE is like a hipster. And noncomformity isn't really that cool, ya know?
5h1th34dOct 19, 2010
Screen door - submarine. That's why.
tdmeskimoOct 19, 2010
there are better alternatives, open source like firefox, google broswer, etc...
a2codesignerOct 19, 2010
I think IE9 will be the new IE6. Great for it's time but it will take 10 years to die.
jojo911Oct 19, 2010
If it makes a dent in Firefox's userbase, it will.
scooterbagaOct 19, 2010
"...in fact, it’s so much better that 34% of our readers said they will switch to IE9"
Switch from what? (If you actually view the poll it's garbage. The negative responses are split out. Intentional?)
jojo911Oct 19, 2010
Ya the voters probably meant they'd switch from IE8 to IE9, not from another browser. This article is an ad for IE9.
robbobOct 19, 2010
Haters will hate, but I thank MSFT for giving away IE for free etching the precedent we have today
jojo911Oct 19, 2010
They don't "give it away" they shove it down our throats by bundling it with Windows.
Also it was Bill Gate's Microsoft that innovated. This one is Blamer's.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
nem0Oct 19, 2010
That the best troll headline I've ever seen.
danbarkerOct 19, 2010
IE IS THE BEST BROWSER OF ALL TIME -- OF ALL TIME!
/s with a kanye west tone.