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abeautifuldaySep 7, 2010
Excerpt - "In my opinion Digg did a poor job of designing their new platform simply because it didn’t have a home in it for the entirety of Diggs past user base. "
Couldn't agree more!
starmanjonesSep 7, 2010
i wonder if the reasons for that are financial?
yaricksSep 8, 2010
So why are you still here? I'm getting really sick and tired of all the whiners.
wf80diditSep 8, 2010
There's a place for whiners..... http://reddit.com
wf80diditSep 8, 2010
Waaaaaaaaaaaa!
fishbeef33Sep 8, 2010
We whine in the thin hopes that Kevin Rose will come to his senses and make the community part of the process again. Don't worry, in another couple weeks if nothing changes we'll be gone for good and you can enjoy the site on your own (until Digg goes out of business).
shadowklownSep 9, 2010
Yup, I'm giving it till the end of Sept. Hate to say it but more interesting news is on reddit and slashdot again.
learning2fly2Sep 9, 2010
I think its cute n all that you all have your own little dates for leaving, but why not just leave now?
I mean, your complaints have definitley been noted there's no doubt about that. I'm just sick of hearing, "I'm leaving tomorrow!" or "I'm leaving Sep. 29th at 8:49 AM Pacific time!" ....Great I don't care
javaroastSep 8, 2010
Whining about being sick and tired of whining. Love the concept.
bluto36Sep 8, 2010
im going to keep whining until yarick can't take it any more and she leaves.
new digg sucks so bad, i hope Kevin takes a dump truck to the nuts
haaxSep 9, 2010
This account has been closed by the user
maszakrySep 8, 2010
The new platform is based upon people wanting to see what friends from other social media sites are interested in. I for one can't even convey in words how little I care about what my real life (childhood, gradeschool, highschool, etc..) friends from Facebook are digging.
nickm68Sep 8, 2010
That's all well and good, but why can't I easily do the things I used to, like see where I commented and open up just that part of the thread? If I can do that now, I am having a hard time seeing it.
swimmin00Sep 8, 2010
I know the feature was pretty screwed up for a while, but I was just fooling around earlier and I think it's back in working order.
bdbrSep 8, 2010
Its not completely back in working order. You can now go to each comment individually and find it, but your profile doesn't show how many diggs and replies you're getting. That makes it terribly time-consuming unless you very rarely comment.
hillsfarSep 9, 2010
Agreed. And I personally make comments because I like to see how many diggs I get for my comments. Now I have to go to EACH FRICKIN' COMMENT (if I can find it) to see how many diggs I got.
pivovySep 9, 2010
Commenting on articles is basically the only way to communicate on Digg. Making it harder is not the best way to make the site more "social". They are talking about all those friends and followers but the most important social part of Digg (tracking comments) got crippled. Just doesn't make sense.
kd1sSep 8, 2010
You aren't the only one. It's why I used to use the rss feeds. You don't get the crap with it. When I discovered they BROKE RSS I shot them an email. It appears that they've now fixed it.
rpgmakrSep 9, 2010
LOL, I also sent an email to them yesterday and the fix was almost instantaneous. The guys broke their rss feed.
ericgSep 8, 2010
The removal of topic filtering is what killed it for me .. there are entire categories of stories I really don't care to see .. now I have to have them in "my news" stream if I want them or not.. sorry but the new Digg is more "noise" than "signal" now .. I'll keep checking digg from week to week to see if they add it back but I am not very optimistic .. and honestly like the O.P. I don't care what my friends are digging .. half of them don't even "do" social networking ..
phr34kySep 9, 2010
I come here for tech news, and only tech news. Now I log in, and all I see is f**king cat pictures. I want my filter back!
Closed AccountSep 9, 2010
See, I liked Digg BECAUSE I don't HAVE friends to get news from. I don't know many people, or find many people interesting.
Digg brought out articles I otherwise would of never saw.
Now it's back to having to rely on my inexistent friends. Which defeats the entire reason I would use a site like Digg.
skellenerSep 9, 2010
klisk - absolutely!!! My exact feelings about it! Listen to Alex at 14:16 - "“Yeah, good story, I don’t give a s**t where it’s from.” He hits the nail right on the head!!! I don't need or want to "follow" anyone! I want to see what other people dugg that I otherwise would have never seen!! Kevin wasn't even listening - which is what I think the biggest problem with Digg v4 is. I filled out the survey a few times before it launched. Nothing changed from the beta. OK, back to Reddit. Great comment klisk!!
bradleypassSep 9, 2010
I find you interesting.
uberdugerSep 9, 2010
I'd follow you because I agree with what you're saying but I can't even see what your username is because Diggv4 is glitching so hard for me right now. And I won't be able to find this comment later, most likely, so... goodbye. It's been a pleasure!
ducati321Sep 9, 2010
Would "of"? This isn't just a typo, that's "I don't know that the word is actually 'have'". Would've = Would have NOT Would ofComment is buried, click here to see the rest.
madenvoySep 9, 2010
"I don't like people, so stop asking to be my friend." - That's in my "About Yourself" section of my profile. Added that when Digg implemented the "Fans", bulls**t way back in '07.
Oh - and 90 seconds to edit your comments is bulls**t too.
jeffdabeatSep 9, 2010
Yep, I'm definitely following you for that comment.
pivovySep 9, 2010
Spot on. I was trying to avoid saying the exact same thing but you are 100% correct.
exterminator777Sep 11, 2010
You're right on that point. The old Digg was the equivalent of following the whole Digg community.
The new Digg is more like Google News and the new "follow" feature is not much different to what I can get using an RSS reader.
The essence of what made Digg an interesting place to visit has been lost. It would have been better to launch the new version of Digg as a whole different site to attract a mainstream audience if that was the goal of the changes.
barcelonakizSep 8, 2010
http://web.archive.org/web/20091027024433rn_1/http://digg.com/
....digg v3 for nostalgic reasons only
pariramiSep 9, 2010
nostalgia is irrelevant. what we want is change.
barcelonakizSep 8, 2010
http://web.archive.org/web/20091027024433rn_1/http://digg.com/
....digg v3 for nostalgic reasons only
ren1999Sep 9, 2010
Digg 4 is just difficult to navigate through.
I'm sticking around because I'm hoping someone will listen to me.
Digg never was a social site for me. Don't you think that finding like minded friends encourages bury brigades?
Default to Top News, not My News.
Default expand all replies.
"1 Dugg by ren1999" is useless information to me. How about show me the number of Diggs I got and the number of Dug-Downs I got without having to click on my own comment. This wastes my time.
And stop the auto-feeds from other news sites and blogs. I came to Digg because Diggers controlled what stories were the most popular.
stilesjaSep 9, 2010
To be honest diggers still control what becomes popular, its just that diggers don't get to submit the content. The content becomes auto submitted and it is up to diggers to digg it. You can no longer look to a digger's submissions, the focus is on his diggs.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
kaiserarnySep 9, 2010
The problem with auto-submit is that a popular story in the news will have almost no chance to get to the front page because it will submitted hundreds of times automatically and will not get enough diggs to get to the front page because it will be spread out. The problem of duplicates from V3 made worst. Also uninteresting stories which Diggers would not submit in the past now are repeated ad nauseum in the upcomming section. I've been here on Digg for over 3 years and dugg tens of thousand stories and now I simply can't find anything to Digg. The Upcoming section is now a complete mess.
futureguySep 9, 2010
This is going to go down in history as one of the biggest screw up of the decade. Digg was doing good then it was gone.
hamsteraliveSep 10, 2010
Just go down history http://www.zero-dollars-travelling.com
User950554915Sep 12, 2010
Right, but you're still here using it and commenting on things......sounds like it's dropping off the planet...
ren1999Sep 9, 2010
Here is my new Digg Sig Line.
Digg should default to Top News, default expand all replies, replace "1 Dugg by ren1999" with something like 26 Diggs 30 Dugg-Downs of ren1999's comment", stop auto-feeds from other sites.
orky7Sep 9, 2010
Read it to enlighten your self
http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1674430
hamsteraliveSep 10, 2010
Save your money on travelling, http://www.zero-dollars-travelling.com
selpatsSep 12, 2010
I went to Reddit over a week ago and its better over there. I stop whining and I left. I'm just back to share the good news.
mynameisjoeSep 7, 2010
Well that explains all the bugs. They moved to an entirely new architecture. They probably should have taken a cue from what Apple did when they moved to Intel, change very little else.
yourmanstanSep 8, 2010
changing architecture + changing formula = recipe for failure
ericgSep 8, 2010
It's like the 80's "New COKE" all over again.. those that forget the past are doomed to repeat it..
brian1625Sep 8, 2010
K-Mart didn't innovate, renovate and expand and what happened to them? Making something new has it's advantages and disadvantages. But the general rule is that if you're not growing your dying.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
jetboyterpSep 9, 2010
I dunno...it's more like Pepsi Clear than New Coke. At least New Coke looked like the old one,..
hamsteraliveSep 10, 2010
Come join us http://www.zero-dollars-travelling.com
therednewtSep 8, 2010
Slow evolution definitely seems to be a smarter strategy than revolutionizing your product. Although some complain about not enough change, you can usually throw them enough bones to keep them around.
alaskalonewolfSep 9, 2010
Or take a page from every other successful software developer and actually TEST the product before shoving it down someone's throat...
thejokkerSep 7, 2010
remember in the old digg where people submitted the original article, not one of a million blogs who linked to it and said something about it?
...echo...
davidg11Sep 8, 2010
<crickets chirping while rolling on a tumbleweed>
esc27Sep 8, 2010
http://xkcd.com/789/
kiantechSep 8, 2010
remember the old digg when only power users got on the frontpage...the only difference is the poweruser now is the website....
jeebodonSep 9, 2010
THE POWERUSER IS NOW A WEBSITE!
jadrianSep 9, 2010
The fact that you're making that comment in a front page article submitted by oldb0y doesn't say good things about your mental capabilities.
nstern2Sep 8, 2010
at least now when ars or engadget link to it we get a link to the source instead of having it stolen from a power user. I'd much rather give my clicks, if I was not using adblock, to engadget than to mrbabyman.
nascenttSep 9, 2010
Erm no.. blog spam was pretty prominent with v3 too.
ChillinpapeSep 7, 2010
Always welcome change, I always thought digg was only a iPodcast show nice to know that there's a place like this unbiased news
fishbeef33Sep 8, 2010
'Unbiased' news would be news coming from the single users of the site, not auto-spam from cnn.com.
themachine1Sep 8, 2010
Only problem I had was Kevin's "c'est la vie" attitude on risk taking. A CEO of a corporation that has tens of millions of other people's money at risk needs to have a lot more concern about a project succeeding.
cyberdactylSep 8, 2010
Kevin is just a young dude like the millions of other dudes out there on the net. He just got a big break and foot in the door with the Screen Savers.
He is DEFINITELY not a IT business genius by any stretch of the imagination.
iziiziSep 8, 2010
without innovation and risk, life would stand still. he is just wearing his heart on his shoulder. kudos to him.
fishbeef33Sep 8, 2010
What innovation? If anything this is a step backwards, just an attempt to make Digg look like something that already exists (Twitter & Facebook). What he had before was really something special. Instead of trying to improve it he wiped it clean and started over.
opiticaSep 9, 2010
yes good for him except his new vision of this website would call for the creation of an entirely NEW website. Nothing about this socialization/twitter concept that is the new digg applies to what the old digg used to be about, especially not to the majority of the audience that made up digg. v4 should have been a series of fine tuning and subtle features that made digg a more pleasurable experience, not a completely different website.
solistusSep 9, 2010
1. This isn't innovation. As the Reddit cofounder's open letter pointed out pretty well, all these "new" features are just copycat features from sites like Facebook and Twitter. There's nothing wrong with borrowing good ideas from others when they work for what you're doing, but reinventing your entire product around borrowed ideas hardly qualifies as innovative.
2. You can have MEASURED risk that is thoughtful in what it chooses to innovate and what it chooses to leave the same. If they had just added the My News section, but retained all the functionality of Rev3 for the top news section, there would be a lot fewer angry ex-fans of the site. We lost bury functionality for content, the front page has been bastardized, comment links from profiles don't show replies/diggs and rarely even work properly when clicked, subcategories are gone, and RSS autosubmits are dominating once more now that the revolt is dying down and people are abandoning the site entirely rather than filling the FP with reddit links.
zgradisSep 8, 2010
What makes a "genius" then? I duno someone who broke a mold on news aggregation is pretty impressive to me, specially that he got his company to where it is in 6 years. At least he listens to his "customers" most companies don't even do that.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
therednewtSep 8, 2010
Yeah, everyone gets a break at some point. His "break" wasn't nearly as good as most of these start-ups we see, since he didn't haven any "ins" with investors. All he had was some people willing to check out his site.
Closed AccountSep 8, 2010
Since when does Digg have tens of millions of investors?
themachine1Sep 8, 2010
Sorry I meant dollars.
zgradisSep 8, 2010
There are two tides to his story, he is trying to take his vision to the place he wanted to be, if he told his investors where he wanted to be with the company, its his responsibility to take it to that place because thats what sold them on investing in digg (even if it does involve risk of loosing a user base). Apple does it all the time, in the long run people forget and the people who really enjoy the service for what it is, come back to it.
I don't think people are giving Kevin enough credit, he built a company based on his final dream of aggregating news for the masses, the fastest way for a small news story to be seen by lots of people is to aggregate it through friends. It is different if a large source posts the news, that is already done by news sources like CNN and FOX which skew the news stories to whatever they want them to be. You only hear half truths with large news sources, but if I was able to get news from small sources or direct from the mouth of the source, I wouldn't get the crap I hear I CNN and FOX and I would get more true news sources.
If you understand his view for the company is a much better ideal for news rather than a few top posters "controlling" the top 24 hour feeds. Personally I don't give a crap who posts what, as long as the story is interesting, I will read it.
modugSep 8, 2010
No one has replied to your comment zgradis, because it's too logical to hate on. Unfortunately, it isn't receiving the number of diggs it should. I'll help.
opiticaSep 9, 2010
no you dolt. we responded with diggs, not comments saying we dugg you up or down. do you expect the same number of text replies for each +/- digg?
Closed AccountSep 9, 2010
I agree completely. It's better than other news outlets. You can go to reddit if you want; I think I'll stick this one out and see where it goes. I can follow people oriented in things I'm interested in and have a more meaningful front page. Everything else is the same.
I don't get how people thought that before your submission could get to the front page. It never really did: all front page submissions were controlled by a few people. This way, my "front page" is controlled by people who like thing I like. This is a better system. I wish people would stop hating on it and give it a chance.
And quit whining about the crashing, really... new systems have issues. I'm tolerant and will wait it out. It's really not that bad.
Closed AccountSep 9, 2010
The problem is, they switched from Power Users controlling the Front Page to RSS Auto Submits controlling and spamming the hell out of the Front Page.
At very least Power Users gave some variety to the front page.
khannoonienSep 8, 2010
Funny, he uses "I want to try something new" as an euphemism for "I want big bucks", and again he showed that doesn't care to lose his userbase in the hope of gaining Facebook userbase; it is kind of delusional because Facebook and Twitter will implement 'digg thumbs up-down' sooner or later on their shared links tools. The stupid thing is that he never saw Digg as a Community, that its fidelity was his only window to bring Digg to the spotlight, people here would be willing to help the site to become more relevant as it was their home, but he shoved them away; As a Redditor I don't want Digg to vanish like this, competition is good.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
alaskalonewolfSep 9, 2010
It's easy to be nonchalant, right up to the point where you're back to trying to figure out how to pay the bills again Kevin... the internet giveth, the internet taketh away
jonmilnerSep 8, 2010
1st attempt: Digg has broken an axel.
2nd attempt: Failed to load story.
3rd attempt: I wish I could bury this article.
richidSep 8, 2010Staff
The Report link up above has the exact same functionality as the bury button.
shustoneSep 8, 2010
No it doesn't. It hides it for the user and reports it to the admins. It does not bury the story or remove any digs.
richidSep 8, 2010Staff
Well you would know better than I, right?
dcjoedogv2Sep 8, 2010
He must, because Kevin himself has told us on TWiT and on his blog that that is the function of the report button. So unless you code for Digg, then, Yes, he does know more than you do.
spoodaSep 8, 2010
"So unless you code for Digg, then, Yes, he does know more than you do."
Dumbass:
http://www.linkedin.com/in/richschumacher
HAHAHAHA!
bluto36Sep 8, 2010
thats the problem, developers for digg don't even know what button does what.
nice job Digg
tnoySep 8, 2010
Its more likely that Kevin has no idea what is going on with the technical features of Digg.
jenSep 8, 2010
buries never removed Diggs. Reporting sends a signal to our internal tools about how the community feels about a particular item - exactly in the same way buries did.
shustoneSep 9, 2010
Jen/jen: So the report button does EXACTLY the same thing as the bury button? Why not just bring back the bury button then? I'm not so sure I buy that.
shustoneSep 9, 2010
Also one more thing: In the past Digg said if you didn't like an article you could bury it. What if I don't like an article but there is nothing wrong with it? I have to report it now? I don't want to report it, I just want to dislike it.
canyoucountSep 8, 2010
I'm sure it's not much of a consolation, but as one of the drivers of the wagon train, I don't like it when people see broken axles. I'm doing my best to keep them in good repair, and I appreciate your persistent attempts to get to Oregon.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
shadowspawnSep 8, 2010
no /upcoming/most
galevisSep 9, 2010
Where the hell is my bury button????
alaskalonewolfSep 9, 2010
4th attempt: reloaded a blank screen
5th attempt: booted from site
6th attempt: Digg has a broken axel
7th attempt: Something went wrong, again, and someone is actually to blame... lol
thejokkerSep 9, 2010
Richid is a digg employee. He has posted in a number of articles that the "report" button is now the same as the old report and bury combined. No, it doesn't make sense because they are two very different words and processes, but apparently that's the Digg company line about what the button
I haven't seen anything on the site officially from the digg team making the same claim, but that's what Rich writes in response to almost anyone who complains about the bury function.
Closed AccountSep 9, 2010
I think Richid means they want you to treat the report button like the Bury button.
linuxpersonSep 8, 2010
50 diggs, 7 comments, front page... nice.
datalossSep 8, 2010
Well on its way to 30K+ diggs, right? Sorry...digg is dead to me.
dizavinSep 8, 2010
that's funny. because it sure looks a lot like you're logged in and making comments.
datalossSep 25, 2010
Two digg comments in 16 days. Yeah, that's really active, you twit. What a moron.
plunderphonicsSep 8, 2010
I know that this was a financial move. But, these companies aren't stupid, the numbers that were promised by Rose to occur after the big switch simply will not happen with traffic the way it is now.
davidg11Sep 8, 2010
Lack of traffic is kicking their ass. The 10 top most popular stories are now 300 diggs. Not 700 - 3000 diggs. Advertisers see that and are going to screw digg financially. The top comments of these top stories don't get more 50 diggs.
Digg is imploding. Less diggs. Less users. And very soon, if not now, a lot less advertising revenue. If DIGG were a publicly traded company, its stock price would be plummeting so fast it'd make your head spin. Management would be canned left and right.
You know what would happen in a publicly traded company? Old digg would come back in less than a week.
davidg11Sep 8, 2010
I can almost guarantee that there is some metric that Digg will use to make the decision to return to old Digg. I don't know when it's going to hit. But it will at some point. Digg may give this format a full quarter (3 months) to see if the loss of users/ and decline of ad hits/views is temporary or not.
They fail to recognize the Digg user base isn't a bunch of Farmville addicts. It isn't as sticky as the mindless drones of the general population of twitter/facebook.
They also fail to realize or acknowledge that they have competition/an alternative: like Reddit. Now I don't like Reddit's format. However, supposedly there is some sort of Firefox skin that makes it LOOK Digg-like, yet the content is user submitted.
It's not going to take very long for the rest of the Diggers to figure this out and move over there. And the longer Digg waits to see the lightbulb that "HEY, we're losing users by the thousands to Reddit", the more entrenched old diggers become new redditers. And that will be a mindless, boneheaded, management decision which digg will never recover from.
Remember Lycos...Lycos...Lycos...Lycos......$13 Billion to $36 million....Lycos....Lycos....don't be morons like the original buyers of Lycos.....
philipz78Sep 8, 2010
What bothers me more is that in the podcast, Kevin didn't seem to care it was happening!
davidg11Sep 8, 2010
"Lycos enjoyed several years of growth during the 1990s and became the MOST VISITED ONLINE DESTINATION IN THE WORLD in 1999, with a global presence in more than 40 countries."
Remember Lycos....Lycos....Lycos....Lycos...
dethconceptSep 8, 2010
"HEY, we're losing users by the thousands to Reddit"
+1
already made the switch. I dislike the layout, but I'll bear what i can based on how awful new digg has become. I keep checking back to see if they change anytime soon. Couple more weeks and Reddit will replace not only my news source but, my digg bookmark tab on Firefox as well.
See you guys on the otherside.
PS. NEW DIGG BLOWS
humptyzSep 9, 2010
I've already made the switch to Reddit, and occasionally check in here at Digg to see if anything's changed. You can actually use userstyles.org to change the layout of Reddit to many looks. This is the Digg look: http://userstyles.org/styles/35197 .
bdbrSep 8, 2010
They can't go back to v3. The developers for the old Digg are gone. The conversion had no backout to v3, and its unlikely they'd even get it working again. If they did, they'd eventually be right back at the scaling issues they were already having that drove the change to v4.
What they need to do is fix the algorithm and user interface problems they currently have. To do this, they must first admit that there's a problem! Old diggers *might* come back after that. Of course, many of them will just get used to the looks of reddit (after awhile, I find it less bothersome than I expected) and stay there.
jamdoggSep 8, 2010
Just add a bury button. That's all.
addiktionSep 9, 2010
Have you even tried to look at digg's traffic? It's actually gone up for the year. Check this: http://siteanalytics.compete.com/digg.com/. There might be more people digging less but people are still coming to the site. I agree its still slightly broken but the traffic has increased for the year to the highest its ever been.
Closed AccountSep 9, 2010
More people coming to complain about your site isn't a sustainable model.
Eventually a elephant will fart, and people will become distracted by something else.
elmuerte17Sep 8, 2010
Kevin is living in some kind of fantasy world.
artworkz918Sep 8, 2010
full of millions of dollars
leamancSep 9, 2010
Exactly. Millions of dollars that investors were going to start asking back if they didn't see some profit. I hate the new Digg--everything from the new layout to the way the whole damn site works now--but I understand what Kevin did. He needed to find a way to try and monetize Digg quick, and tried to hop on the bandwagon of other profitable "social" sites. Too bad that it destroyed the core of what made Digg great, but who knows...it seem to slowly be getting better. Maybe one day Digg will get back to as good as it was in the v3 days.
alaskalonewolfSep 9, 2010
It's called alcoholism.
andywwwSep 8, 2010
Well said!
Ironically, I only come to digg now to grouse about the changes in digg and look for anti-v4 articles.
selpatsSep 8, 2010
haha... me too...
specialkaySep 9, 2010
who doesnt.
rakusukSep 9, 2010
yep exactly what I do, i used to spend here everyday just watching the frontpage for stuff.
Now i'll come on maybe once a day and check the frontpage for anti-digg stuff and go from there.
dc7407Sep 9, 2010
me2 and i feel guilty giving v4 site any hits
rhett803Sep 8, 2010
from the story: "It might also be the case where the creator once knew what people wanted but their success has disconnected them and made them completely incapable of seeing things the way the customers do."
Exactly. Kevin has changed. Hell, when was the last time he recommended some open source goodness? Now all he talks about are companies he's invested in, and wants you to drop cash on their products. Or he talks about expensive stupid tea, cars, etc etc.
phillaholicSep 8, 2010
You can say the same thing about Alex. I honestly can't remember the last time the duo talked about a tech oriented topic and actually understood it or got it right. Though then again, when I first started watching Diggnation I was fresh out of High School, and now I've got two tech degrees.
mcosmiSep 8, 2010
Alex is too worried about rollin in his M3 to actually learn anything new about tech, and lets face it...KEvin is so out of touch with reality that he wouldnt understand the new tech field unless it had somethingto do with tea, or iphones. Great examples of what happens to people when their heads get so big they float into the upper atmosphere. Except this usually happens with bands, and they start makin s**tty music. I see a nice parallel here.
fishbeef33Sep 8, 2010
Digg: the Jefferson Starship of news aggregate sites.
angelbunnySep 8, 2010
alex has always been a bit low on the tech scale when it comes to geeky information. I mean, for him a computer science degree is a year of visual basic at most.
douglasqSep 8, 2010
"Digg 4 is being very well received. We definitely took in in the right dir-"
"-but Digg 4 is-"
"-SILENCE HIM!"
rikkuotakuSep 8, 2010
Look the primary reason people are upset is that the community power of Digg has been SQUASHED and put into the hands of corporations. This is what BETRAYAL looks like. Users build the site up (Digg is nothing without its users) and Kevin throws the site into the hands of big media. It doesn't even matter if he's being paid or not. Big companies land on the front page without effort now and that goes against everything old digg stood for.
Just own up to it already so we can all move on....
Closed AccountSep 8, 2010
Your argument is flawed. You make it sound like "big companies" get on the front page by some divine act. Users Digg up stories, and if they happen to be from "big companies", then it's the users' goddamn fault for actively endorsing them.
You want other stories on the front page? THEN DIGG THEM UP AND STOP COMPLAINING.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
momsshizzleSep 8, 2010
Heh, you must be new here.
jamdoggSep 8, 2010
21 diggs to FP? The reddit stream I am following has an average of 50 diggs in a couple of hours and those links aren't FPing
gabrielgonzalezSep 9, 2010
I would have to say this is the perfect explanation of the situation (not a jersey shore reference). Kevin could be paid; he couldn't be. What matter is that the formula for this site has been changed.
It was:
users + interesting articles = ASCII art and funny comments
Now it's:
big corporations + predetermined articles = a system that does not take the users into account.
I was primarily a digg user until I saw the amount of ignorance on here (different point altogether). Now that the site has changed to articles I can find on Twitter and Facebook, I feel like getting on this account less and less.
Oh yeah, and there is no Mr.BabyMan or bury button.
modemmuteSep 8, 2010
The future of technological innovation is, and always will be, the mainstream user. Platforms often start out as "geeks only" ventures, but as they mature they must shift to everyday users or be left behind. It would have been easier for Kevin not to have thrown out old Digg and recreate a whole new business model. However, I have a lot of respect for what he's done. It's forward thinking and has created tremendous opportunities for users.
Blacksmiths were devastated when cars were invented. I can't imagine how much work they put in to their field. But it turns out that it wasn't the horseshoe that was important, but instead is was about a better journey and arriving at your destination faster. Cars did that better. And so will Digg.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
mugichaSep 8, 2010
Dude what the hell are you talking about?
aarontexSep 8, 2010
I don't like the idea of this moving toward a social networking sight like facebook. That's not what its for. This sight is supposed to be about news.
danbarkerSep 8, 2010
Errm, "social news sharing". Can you see a flaw in that argument you just made then?
jamdoggSep 8, 2010
social networking != social news sharing
rattlesnakejakeSep 8, 2010
As Kevin said in the video, diggV3 was broken so they moved to a new system that could expand and grow. It is still open to change. There are already major changes coming that Kevin mentions in the video. And for people who are saying "digg is dead", you wouldn't still be here if you believed that.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
mugichaSep 8, 2010
Digg is dead. I'm just here for the funeral.
canadia86Sep 8, 2010
Kevin drinks Stella? That's it, I'm outta here.
iziiziSep 8, 2010
wife beater is nice, shut it.
gunit99Sep 8, 2010
Stella is nice when you want beer with decent alcohol content but no character. My current choice: Bohemia with lime. Best Mexican beer there is. Once the desert cools down, it's IPA time again.
shustoneSep 8, 2010
I've been trying to be open minded about the new Digg now that some changes have been made and more are coming.
However, I still hate it. The frontpage is still cluttered with things I don't care about and I have no way of burying them. Publishers still rule. The frontpage has 15 stories which seems like much less than the old Digg. The main column is scrunched to 540 pixels so I have to scroll four times to read 15 titles. The frontpage either moves at a snails pace or blasts through stories faster than I can read them.
The changes are making it better and I am still hoping things work out but lately I've only been coming to Digg to make comments about how much I hate it and to look for anti-Digg articles. I even registered on Reddit and that site's design makes me want to gouge my eyes out (even with some of the userstyles).
fishbeef33Sep 8, 2010
Yesterday I went to "My News" and found the page literally filled with nothing but auto-submitted time.com articles. It was terrible. I also dislike how on the "front page" you no longer see who submitted the article (probably because you would know they're all auto-submitted and you wouldn't click on it).
This is the key problem with Digg v4. When you take the human component out of submitting, no one cares about the articles anymore. If we wanted to see what time.com had on their site, I would go to their site. However, if I know there was actually someone outside of these blogs & sites who saw something and said, "you know, this looks interesting, I think I'd like to share this," then I would care a hell of a lot more.
amyvernonSep 8, 2010
I unfollowed almost all the publishers when it was still in the alpha for this very reason. I'd sign in and find all Reuters or LATimes, turning their firehose onto Digg.
alaskalonewolfSep 9, 2010
Dontcha just love wading through miles of a scroller, it's awesome.
shustoneSep 8, 2010
Auto-submitted news is the biggest thing killing Digg right now. It's changed it for the worse and now that publishers have the power Kevin can't take it away.
philipz78Sep 8, 2010
He did admit auto-submit was a mistake, so maybe it'll go away. He claims he doesn't get money from publishers, but that might be the mistake he's referring to.
Closed AccountSep 8, 2010
The mistake he was referring to was the "News Tasters."
Digg v4 started with 50-100 people to fallow, and a lot of people added them; which gave the "News Tasters" a huge amount of power, compared to the average user. Kevin isn't benefiting from the "News Tasters," financially; however, it did present a problem on the site. One which he has plans to fix.
Or at least that was my understanding of what he said.
Closed AccountSep 8, 2010
I went through my list of 200 friends, and whittled it down to about 5-10 that I now fallow. It cleared up a lot of the spam, however, it still is a flood.
Any negative comment on stories they don't like becomes articles I don't want to read, in "My News." Unless I wanted to dump on that story as well.
cawpinSep 8, 2010
"Yesterday I went to "My News" and found the page literally filled with nothing but auto-submitted time.com articles."
Then don't f**king follow Time.
Closed AccountSep 9, 2010
You are fallowing a bunch of auto submitters, or people who Digg auto submit articles. Both are equally bad, and both are unfallow offenses in my book.
Digging spam is as bad as submitting spam ATM.
caughtthinkingSep 8, 2010
I like how Digg erased my history. That's how it works fellas, if you are anti retarded Digg v4, you get CENSORED. Awesome!
danbarkerSep 8, 2010
No, thats what happens when you violate the TOS.
kkakes33Sep 8, 2010
That happened to me too. Except I think I have dugg a few stories, without commenting at all. My history is gone. It kinda sucks.
saikyanSep 8, 2010
Happened to me too, though this is my first comment in v4.
I really miss old Digg.
alaskalonewolfSep 9, 2010
AMEN
lbuchaSep 8, 2010
i do not think that the person who designed the Oregon Trail Fail Wagon should be applauded.
unfriendlyfireSep 8, 2010
I'm really sick of seeing that. How about when digg breaks we see a picture of Kevin getting kicked in the ass?
girrrrrrr2Sep 8, 2010
Digg has just got Dysentery...
bdbrSep 8, 2010
Maybe just leave the fail wagon, but include a graphic of Kevin being thrown under an axle.
caughtthinkingSep 8, 2010
Here's a summary for people who don't want to waste minutes of their life on Kevin Rose:
1. Kevin absolves himself of blame technically, philosophically, and directionally.
2. Alex totally agrees and jerks Kevin off.
Hey Kevin, stop pointing the finger at everyone but yourself, you are a joke.
dirtyfriesSep 8, 2010
Thanks.
Kevin clearly doesn't visit the site.
artworkz918Sep 8, 2010
I'd digg you up but this pOS site says I need to slow down after digging 5 comments
cawpinSep 8, 2010
@caughtthinking: You are the joke. You basically completely ignored what he said, made something up, and start name calling.
He explained EVERYTHING that has happened and why it happened.
smashdashSep 8, 2010
Through all of this I'm reminded of what happened to Tropicana. How a simple design change utterly killed a brand name.
da_nSep 9, 2010
Not sure I agree it killed the brand, though they have now gone back to the original packaging and it did cost Pepsico a few million dollars, chump change to them. The design agency was Arnell, who are notorious for expensive and badly received re-branding exercises (such as the Pepsi attempt). They will say that any publicity is good publicity, as it only serves to enforce brand recognition/retention even if it isn't well received. They only think in dollars.
firesightsSep 8, 2010
As a former (loyal, avid, etc.) Digg user, all I have to say now are three words:
Reddit is awesome.
mugichaSep 8, 2010
Really?
saikyanSep 8, 2010
Old digg was more awesome.
sb66Sep 8, 2010
You have to wonder about the competence of Digg management to actually go through with this trainwreck.
On a positive note, I am enjoying Reddit and don't expect to log on here much more.
davidg11Sep 8, 2010
It looks like I finally have to cut the cord and check out this new skin for Reddit and give it a whirl.
Advertisers should be deserting Digg left and right based on declining Digg user usage. Remember, this was a financial motive. If we ALL desert DIGG, Digg will have no choice but to submit to their financial overlords (the advertisers) and bring the old digg back.
Because the advertisers are going to demand more traffic than a few hits/views.
It may sound odd, but Digg should be boycotted for its own long term financial well-being.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
firesightsSep 8, 2010
As a former (loyal, avid, etc.) Digg user, all I have to say now are three words:
Reddit is awesome.
dizavinSep 8, 2010
"as a former loyal Digg user"
that's funny. because to me it looks like you're logged into Digg and commenting on a story. isn't that being an *active* Digg user?Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
davidg11Sep 8, 2010
Most people commenting here aren't active. People come back on to comment only on these Digg IV stories or see if Digg was smart enough to go back to old digg.
If Digg IV can survive on traffic solely designed to ridicule the new platform or check to see if old digg is back, then maybe they are geniuses.
cory849Sep 8, 2010
Maybe but he's no longer a "LOYAL" Digg user, which he says he FORMERLY was. Not really that hard to parse, guy...
dizavinSep 8, 2010
parse, shmarse.
he's logged into his Digg account and making comments. end of story.
fishbeef33Sep 8, 2010
There are only three possible explanations for Digg v4:
-Kevin Rose didn't like the existing Digg community and wanted one that involved more of his blogger friends
-Kevin Rose was offered a s**t-ton of money by the big blogs and decided $ trumps loyalty
-Kevin Rose is a complete f**king idiot
The third choice actually encompasses the first two, so I guess there is only one explanation, really.
saintdesySep 8, 2010
My guess is choice A. Living among the technorati is no way to have any connection to your user-base of friendless losers (myself included). He became so enamored with this "social" crap that he didn't even think that most of Digg's loyal users don't have friends or a "social graph".
caughtthinkingSep 8, 2010
Drunk Kevin Rose - "If reddit's your new home, and that works for you, I'm all for that"
Drunk Kevin Rose - "It's fun to see the revolts. It's not fun to see the revolt."
lol. so much fail, recorded for posterity. how obvious will Diggs spectacular demise be in the future.
busterbrosSep 8, 2010
Double copy paste all the way.
noupsellSep 8, 2010
http://blogs.seattleweekly.com/dailyweekly/donald%20trump%20you%27re%20fired.jpg
saintdesySep 8, 2010
I have to agree with the article. The problem with the new Digg is not in implementation (however buggy), it is in philosophy. This new Digg has adopted the philosophy of Twitter. That philosophy works great when you have some sort of following or social sphere. Basically you need fans and friends for this system to have any appeal at all.
Guess what though? I don't have any friends (much less any who are Digg users) or fans. I work from home online exclusively. It is a rare day where I will see the outside or talk to anyone in person. This new "social" digg doesn't work for me, and I'd bet a lot of the so-called "Digg community" is in the same boat.
The old Digg used to be a place where you could just go and find out all the crazy stuff happening in the world and on the internet. Now it's the same thing with a quarter of the stories it used to have hidden away on a second tab and an utterly useless "My News" tab that is filled with 1 digg stories from huge publications (if I wanted to read story on Wired, i would just go to Wired.)
d3dmSep 8, 2010
You may not have any friends or fans, but trust me, you're not alone in your views.
mugichaSep 8, 2010
Yup
fishbeef33Sep 8, 2010
Isn't it ironic that in 99% of the comment threads on Digg these days, where people are actually having conversations via replies, it is only to complain about the old Digg? That is the only thing left on this site in which we can find some human connection, is our collective hatred for the site. The auto-submitted stories have left us cold and indifferent otherwise.
angelbunnySep 8, 2010
Digg v3: Users complaining about power users. Randomly submitted stories do not have enough power to hit the front page and power users game the system.
Digg v4: Kevin makes power users the standard by encouraging it removing the power of a random submission ten fold.
Ironically, this is what everyone was complaining about in digg v3. digg v4 has moved in the wrong direction.
fishbeef33Sep 8, 2010
Right. At least when MrBabyMan submitted stories, they weren't all from mashable.
nstern2Sep 8, 2010
Yeah he just liked to steal articles from mashable and post them on another source.
henryvaughanSep 8, 2010
I think he's right the site is becoming allot more stable. the site has come along way in the past week
it couldn't get any worse... so i'm going to give it a chance.
hydroplaneSep 8, 2010
I still don't get it. Why not just make an entirely different site for corporated media facespace clone instead of effing around with something that was going so well. User submitted stories along with the epic trolling and flaming was what made digg so addictive. Now its just another stale website with the same lamestream propaganda that can be found on any local news.
Closed AccountSep 8, 2010
Consider this live Beta, first fix stability problems, then start on the rest.
If you were launching a new site, would you:
A) Make it as simple as possible? or
B) as complicated as possible?
Digg v4 is like launching a whole new site, while trying to hold all the data from the old site. Twice as hard, with 1/2 the time. Which is basically what Kevin/Alex said.
Yeah, there are many many user end problems, but they are focusing on server/program problems first. I don't consider v4 a success, but I see why they needed to switch platforms.
PS.
Bury button is necessary for Digg. So much spam no way to bury.
srmccoySep 8, 2010
One week later, and a ton of folks are still complaining... yet they're still using Digg. Digg has changed, and if folks don't like it then why still be here? The site will go on, and folks that enjoy the new direction will be satisfied.
I just don't get the logic of staying on the site, clicking links and generating pageviews, if only to complain about how much you hate it.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
Closed AccountSep 8, 2010
Because they want Digg to:
1) Recognize that there is a problem
2) Fix the problem.
nickarodriguezSep 8, 2010
Screw all of the haters! Digg v4 is awesome!
Closed AccountSep 8, 2010
Name 1 way that Digg v4 is "awesome."
If you mention Apache Cassandra, I will want an explanation of the difference between LAMP and Cassandra. Google if necessary.
Closed AccountSep 8, 2010
As I mentioned last night...forget about hte auto-submit bulls**t. It has now been TWO WEEKs since the rollout and the site is STILL broken to the bpoint of being virtually unusable. IT is still about a 50-50 chance when you click on a link if you are actually going to get to the page you want.
Can you imagine ANY other site, let alone a top 100 one, that would allow itself to be THIS broken after two fulls weeks? I sure as hel can't.
davidg11Sep 8, 2010
Yes, but there was labor day. You can't expect them to work then to fix it, can you? What are you a monster?
bradac56Sep 8, 2010
Remember when Rose was the whinny little "me-to-me-to!" kid on the Screensavers? Do you honestly think he was going to do this right? It wasn't a grand vision or great CEO skills that got him to this point he was just lucky.
He's still the same goofball setting on a couch drinking beer that he always was. He's nice enough but a great CEO? No I don't think so. Just let Digg die in peace, at least we have the shadow of Slashdot to fall back to.
Closed AccountSep 8, 2010
LAMP reached the end of its ability to serve Digg.
It is sad that they changed so much to the user's perspective, but Apache Cassandra is the platform of choice to move forward.
I really wish Kevin/Alex communicated this better, Digg v4 is live beta. They stripped down Digg for the launch, and will be adding user features as they go.
What we should all say is, we want the bury button back, it is a necessary part of Digg, and there are better ways to deal with Bury Brigades. *Digg Graveyard*
nickm68Sep 8, 2010
I'm going to call this site Dwigger from now on.
bigstinkySep 8, 2010
First off, f**k digg v4, and Kevin Rose for his short sighted arrogant response.
Bury me, but I've jumped ship to reddit and find myself enjoying what they offer. I keep checking back here though, because digg WAS my first choice for 6 years, and I keep hoping it will get better. So far, I've been let down. But ultimately, my voice really doesn't matter.
I think, and I may be out of my tree here, that if Kev wanted to save digg, he could have the best of all worlds by offering 4 tabs. One for the user's "my news" feed, one for upcoming, one for user submitted, and one for the corporate rss feed. This could culminate in one Top news feed that takes the best from every area and this would be the front page.
I know it would be a cluster, and probably impossible to code, but it would make everyone happy. Meh, I'm forever blowing bubbles. Ultimately, I hope for the best, but expect that digg is doomed. And rightfully so, should it stay as it is. It makes me sad.
Bottom line is, Kevin killed the magic that was digg. He's ignoring the base, and the base is what made him.
I really miss digg when it was just a spot for tech heads.
/whiny rant
davidg11Sep 8, 2010
Don't worry. I'm sure there is private stock issued in this company. If so, money talks. When no one wants worthless pieces of paper, guess how quickly old digg returns?
fishbeef33Sep 8, 2010
If there were a separate tab for "RSS Feeds," no one would click on it. The plan of Digg v4 was to give us no choice but to view these feeds.
Problem is, Rose forgot that we DO have a choice. Digg is far from the only aggregate news site on the web. But for a few years, it was the best one. All good things must pass, I guess.
cbahr02Sep 8, 2010
I still have mixed feelings about the new Digg, I guess we will have to just wait and see what happens.
limes102Sep 8, 2010
I cannot agree. I think the actual idea behind Digg is the same as it was when it was first released. The only difference is that they way you interact and view the service has changed.
This comment will probably receive a lot of thumbs down, but that doesn't matter... I really do think people are being very pedantic. Things have to progress... It's practically human nature.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
fishbeef33Sep 8, 2010
I'm all for progress when it's actually progress, but Digg v4 is a REGRESSION in so many ways. The old Digg was a unique place where, even with its flaws, was brilliant at combining major news stories with oddball web potpourri, with enough user involvement to create an actual sense of community - a place you'd like to 'hang out and chat.' Digg v4 has become sanitized & corporatized. It's like they took a diner with a nice local atmosphere where you could sit, enjoy the coffee, and laugh with your friends, and remodeled it into a McDonald's. Get your generic food & get out. Where's the love?
tonystarkSep 8, 2010
Kevin is trying to innovate - much respect to him.
fishbeef33Sep 8, 2010
Radical change does not necessarily mean innovation.
silentspyderSep 8, 2010
Can't wait for f**kers to live up to their word, delete their account, and leave already.
nickedynickSep 8, 2010
Couldn't agree more.
zunipusSep 8, 2010
It had to happen. The slacker mentality that has been evident on the dull and stupid DiggNation TV podcasts came home to roost in the Digg GUI, which also became dull and stupid. Upon reflection I'm astounded that Digg 4 didn't get pooped out sooner. So a hearty congratulations to whoever, however, the dumpification of Digg has been delayed this long.
Now will someone PLEASE CALL THE JANITOR to clean up?!?!