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ericvbpNov 19, 2010
window 8..my idea
Closed AccountNov 20, 2010
I would hope not.
jsungjinNov 21, 2010
Facebook 1.0~ We must remember that the original of windows in terms OS is not tiny windows but DOS. Hence, I guess that new paradigm will replace the concept of recent OS as it was done for text driven OS.
dalhectarNov 19, 2010
Dead wrong on Living Room & Beyond.
tl/dr version: The layer will be alive and well.
Windows Media Center and Windows Media Player serve 2 completely different purposes. WMC is a 10 foot interface which is just as easily operated with a remote as a keyboard/mouse. Try to navigate WMP or Zune with a remote control.
What I expect is Zune possibly replacing WMP, but antitrust concerns (especially in Europe) might have to keep WMP alive and Zune will have to be installed separately. The EU Courts would go livid if MS pre-installed a digital media store sending cash to Microsoft in every Windows 8 computer, more so than they were with IE integration. Such would be seen as unfairly anti competitive to Apple/Amazon/etc, Apple can get away with preinstalling the iTunes Music Store on every Mac becasue of low market share for Macs vs PCs. Microsoft with larger Desktop OS market share is not allowed the same liberty. However, if the 2 are separate, they will share the same DRM scheme and work better together. UI elements from Zune Software will bleed into WMP. Zune will be known as the store that Microsoft sells content from and the handheld devices that can play that content.
"Windows Media Center" serve 2 purposes. It places cloud video (albeit poorly) on a 10 foot interface, in Windows 8 this will happen even more as Microsoft signs with more partners to add to the "Internet TV" section of Windows 8. Also it will have rights to Zune content in Windows 8. Much like how the 360 can act as an extender for Media Center, Media Center will allow TV, set top boxes, and future Microsoft game consoles to access PC content derived from those sources.
cybersaurNov 19, 2010
Make one version of Win 7 and make it 64 bit only then put it in a box that says Windows 8. Done!
norman619Nov 20, 2010
But then you will have people complaining that they are being forced to buy features they will never use. Anyway it really doens't matter since more people will buy a computer with Windows pre-installed. Only people who build their own systems deal with that and we are the minority.
atomic1fireNov 20, 2010
Perhaps when people use more ram, then 64 bit will take off.
In that case, windows 8 should work heavily on gaming and hardware intensive apps, like internet explorer 9.
myztryNov 20, 2010
If you don't live in a lonely household, you will find that as multiple users leave their session logged onto the shared computers, it starts to take a lot of resources.
Off course, when Windows has to reboot due to some trivial reason, all the other users lose their sessions and whatever data was in use.
Not really the best way to resolve memory use...
norman619Nov 22, 2010
I see that here at work all the time. I thought it was great until I saw that people NEVER log out which is annoying.
TomHanks4Nov 20, 2010
64 bit is a hard sale because it just doesn't matter much. most of the people who are excited about it don't even understand what it is. the average person does not run software that makes use of the extra ram it provides ,and most "normal" pcs don't even have that much ram yet.
until some activity on the average computer actually benefits from 64 bit systems, or until everything everywhere works properly on 64bit systems at least, it's more of a hassle than a benefit.
norman619Nov 22, 2010
The main people who benefit from 64 bit apps are people in creative fields like animators and video editing people. The average person would only benefit from the ability to have more than 3 gigs of ram available to Windows and their applications.
bigviNov 20, 2010
The Windows Snap (that lets you use the keyboard to move windows between monitors) needs to evolve big time. I have a couple windows that I cram as high up as I can because I dont need the title bar for those 2-3 windows. In order to do with without windows maximizing the window I have to disable the feature that lets me move windows with the mouse.
It would be nice if WMC was more PVR friendly.
Closed AccountNov 20, 2010
WIndows 8 released after "Lion" OS X and a weak copy just like Office 2011 for Mac is a copy of iWork 2009.
hipmanNov 20, 2010
Sure, frankenMac.
enantiodromiaNov 20, 2010
FrankenTroll
norman619Nov 20, 2010
LOL!!!! Man you are on some really good drugs there.
TomHanks4Nov 20, 2010
now *that* is a proper fanboy
Closed AccountNov 20, 2010
game over Microsoft' "too little too late"
atomic1fireNov 20, 2010
Too little?
Windows 7 is a improvement over XP.
it took what was nice about vista, like the eye candy, and added filling.
scottluvsamyNov 21, 2010
Yep, they took the eye candy from Vista and added the stability and resource handling of XP. Its a good thing they did, as they had to save some serious face after the Vista debacle.
http://www.standaloneapps.com
roijenNov 20, 2010
I don't think too little too late can apply to Microsoft today. There is no universal rule that says that once a company loses momentum it can't regain it. If Microsoft can still innovate then it will be relevant.
dochirinNov 20, 2010
They never were able to innovated, why would they start now?
hipmanNov 20, 2010
You wish.
norman619Nov 20, 2010
Too little too late? Bahahahaha!!! Maybe in your world but in the REAL world MS still has over 90% of the desktop market.
enantiodromiaNov 20, 2010
simple norman is not considering the fact that 45% of the desktop market is still on XP.
vista and win7 combined barely equal 1% more then XP.
nachocheaseNov 20, 2010
Improved gaming performance, faster boot times, fewer vulnerabilities and complete stability.
FTFY
norman619Nov 20, 2010
Faster Boot times: No one will ever be satisfied
Improved gaming performance: don't buy a computer with s**tty hardware and you are fine.
complete stability: No OS can claim "complete stability" so keep dreaming.
dougm68Nov 20, 2010
All even number versions should be free. I'm just getting used to 7. GRRRR.
makingthebestNov 20, 2010
that is really interesting...
enantiodromiaNov 20, 2010
1: A real "root" account; none of this "I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't let you do that" bull crap. If I want to kill a process, KILL IT.
2: If a file is locked, tell me WHAT is locking it, and give me an option to kill that process.
3: If a network drive goes offline, that shouldn't lock up the damn window manager while CIFS/SMB times out.
4: If I am trying to move 1,000 files at once, and one file has trouble moving, that doesn't mean "kill the entire move process", just SKIP it and continue.
5: MS had this really nice internal tool called "RichCopy". It was like a threaded rsync, pretty nice actually. Add it to Windows by default, as "dragging and dropping" between local and network drives is painful when moving bazillions of mp3s or jpgs, especially since one bad file copy kills the entire job (see #4).
6: MS bought this nifty company SysInternals, who were just about the only dudes who made Windows almost as nice as Linux or BSD when it came to system administration and debugging. For some reason, MS seems to have ignored a lot of those tools. Actually put them in Windows 8, as you should have with Vista and Win7.
7: Spotlight. Just copy it already.
8: Spaces. Just copy it already.
9: SSH. For the love of god, if you want to be a grown up OS, you need your own decent SSH client. Stop relying on PuTTY, it makes you look amateurish to the rest of the OS's.
10: BootVis. Why are you afraid of it MS? It helps people un-suck their PC boot times. Make a new version, and include it.
atomic1fireNov 20, 2010
You know there is a secret root administrator account right?
I believe it's also available in vista.
enantiodromiaNov 20, 2010
present it then
hselomeinNov 21, 2010
Start> right click computer > Manage > Local Users and Groups and Viola is there disabled
gregdbowenNov 20, 2010
For it to be free and work as well as OSX. Oh yeah, and look as good.
norman619Nov 20, 2010
Work as well as OSX? Please don't tell you you believe that BS line of Mac never crash. The Macs in the Mac lab crashed far more often than the Windows lab at my school. The classes I had in the Mac lab were funny. The teacher would curse the Mac at least once every session for crashing. i hove no issues with Windows 7. I just wish they'd get rid of 32 bit.
enantiodromiaNov 20, 2010
norman, maybe the kids who ran your labs were not vey bright. or maybe a lot of people were constantly messing with the macs, which is often the case.
if you are ready to make a case as to how windows is suddenly more stable than just about any modern unix variant, by all means, let's hear it.
until then, your cliche and anecdotes go straight to /dev/null
qwed88Nov 20, 2010
The only reason OSX is working so well is because it's not the huge target that Windows is.
With OSX, and Apples popularity in general growing, that may very well change. In fact, security/bugs etc... may become more of a problem on your beloved Mac than it ever was on a Windows machine.
Apple has been way too complacent.
http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/210393/massive_mac_os_x_update_shatters_illusion_of_security.html
gregdbowenNov 20, 2010
http://blog.brothersoft.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/windows_7.jpg
To not look like such ass. This is shameful - Walking the line between childish bloated icons and a square left-brain oriented mindset.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
hipmanNov 20, 2010
Learn2 customize.
gregdbowenNov 20, 2010
pass
atomic1fireNov 20, 2010
I have windows 7 and it looks nothing like that,
For one, the start button should be an orb,
the icon's on top? I have only seen something similar on my laptop, because hp offers dock software.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/bd/Windows_7.png
This is what windows 7 should look like, fresh install as far as I remember.
Either that "windows seven" is a custom theme, or it's a ripoff, maybe designed with a specific Linux theme.
I'm not even sure if military time (shown on the clock)
is offered in windows 7, but if it was it probably was not offered by default.
I doubt the authenticity of your pick, but would totally understand if it was an earlier beta, but I still doubt it.
gregdbowenNov 20, 2010
ugh I feel like I am in a nursery
lonemarauderNov 20, 2010
Windows 8? Are you kidding? Windows 7 hasn't even really gotten traction yet, and it already has the technology required to go up against the competitor it MUST beat if Microsoft is to survive (Windows XP)
I'd try to do a better job of exploiting the success of Windows 7 before I tore off on another wild goose chase to invent another completely new operating system. For example, in all the marketing propaganda I have seen on Windows 7, it's two main life changing features are hardly discussed:
The search bar - no more remembering where an application is.
Back up and recovery - Windows 7 has bare metal OS recovery built into the operating system.
Windows 7 really is actually quite good, and deserves a shot at XP's 70% market share. It is not the time to try to do something new.
dougm68Nov 20, 2010
as long as it keeps playing porn, I'm in. F you Steve Job's. You can't take my porn away!
enantiodromiaNov 20, 2010
i can assure you there is no shortage of porn on Macs, dude
onlinesandeepNov 20, 2010
Thats great.
myztryNov 20, 2010
IMO Windows 8 is going to be all about lever-aging all of it's failed/failing brands (Zune, Bing, Maps, Courier, Hotmail, etc) and forcing a 'Net" around people. I wouldn't be surprised if it requires a Live email address just to log on to the desktop.
On the technology front, the work that is most needed is ridding themselves of all the bad design that was Windows. Invalidation (WM_paint) based rendering is still written into every application despite the Vista introduced "compositing" render because Microsoft deemed a bad method for a LONG time. The Amiga OS also released in 1985 (just before Windows 1.0) didn't use such amateur rendering method by default (it was capable, but basically depreciated from day one due to having an actual Window manager called Intuition).
Oh, and that bulls**t about Apple owning the patent for overlapping Windows - BULLs**t. The Amiga did overlapping Windows from the start. But then it also used a click/menu dual button mouse, control/preference panel, device drivers, [SUPER] GUI control key within a 32bit pre-emptive multitasking environment. Hell, I COULD go on forever about how aside from acquisitions and mimicking, Microsoft has never been a technology company.
Shifting into Microsoft's current dilemmas such as the fact that hardcoded GUI/mouse event based messaging just doesn't translate for touch.It's a problem that the Amiga who introduced the GUI event paradigm would have likewise faced if it had of been around a quarter of a century later. Some things just need a new design.
The kinds of OS level redesigns that Microsoft need to undertake are using PE formats (Portable Executables) that use a purely data based format consisting of an IML (InterMediate Language) that is processor non-specific. The NET framework utilises that even then Microsoft has nuffed it by making it too much like the poorly designed Win32 and insisting it be wrapped in a SetUpMyVirus.exe native executable.
Despite the success of Windows 7 which was largely due to breaking the retarded evolution that steam from a DOS extender, Microsoft needs to seriously look at branching and taking a brave new start. Some could say the Windows Phone 7 is that except it's running on leftovers having come into the game far too late and doesn't extend to the desktop.
The IP trader/thief is in more trouble than it likely cares to admit. Might help explain why Steve Ballmer has chosen now to cash out so many shares... History is full of fallen Empires who have lost their leverage...Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
pilatesathomeNov 20, 2010
What I want is for it to work without crashing and not need 4GB just to load!
hanr198Nov 20, 2010
more smooth, slick animations to take advantage of faster processors and graphics cards. (Of course, also enable options to disable them)
TomHanks4Nov 20, 2010
honestly, I am pretty satisfied with Windows 7. I have no major complaints, very few minor complaints. It's stable, quick, does what I want it to, even looks sort of pretty. Do we need a windows 8?
wilhoitmNov 20, 2010
What about getting rid of the stupid Windows Registry?
wilhoitmNov 20, 2010
If Microsoft keeps copying Apple then Windows 8 is going to work just like the Windows 7 phones!
tanethNov 20, 2010
More fancy visual effects...
Cloud integration directly in the file system...
A kind-of app store...
30-second boot time...
Separation of system and user data spaces...
Low-resource configuration for TVs...
So Windows 8 is going to look like last year's Ubuntu?
interstellarNov 20, 2010
By windows 8, you mean v6.2, right? ;)
s1mp13m4nNov 21, 2010
What I want from Windows 8 is something similar to what Ubuntu is doing. Offer a version for those who want cutting edge, latest and greatest features (Ubuntu 10.10 for example) and another version that is not as cutting edge and is more stable and reliable (Ubuntu 10.04 LTS for example). I also want the ability to select a "stripped down" install right from the box that is geared for performance rather than eye candy. I also want the ability to pick and choose a GUI (think of Gnome and KDE for example) and not be locked in to what MS wants you to have.
jsungjinNov 21, 2010
I am really wonder the future of windows.
scwatsonNov 23, 2010
me too
antdudeNov 21, 2010
One print page: http://www.maximumpc.com/print/15329
tmcdiggDec 5, 2010
Screw windows 8, by the time they release that... I'll probably want Android OS version 6! Sorry windows, you lose!