sokkz.com — I was there when it started. I was there when Digg first started chugging along. I remember it being slow, ugly, and crappy. I remember wondering why anyone would ever use something like it. And who cares if 79 other people think a story is worth my time? I browse my own news sites, thank you very much. I dont need to know what the other geeks care about boy was I ever wrong.
I kept my eyes on Digg (and its many, many competitors) over the next several years as I graduated from college, worked, then went back to school. It wasnt until I began studying online communities, however, that I really understood anything.
Recent Problems
If you spend any time on social news sites, youve already noticed the mass migration of users from Digg to Reddit. How did this happen? Where did it all begin? And is this really a bad thing for Digg (or a good thing for Reddit)? Im trying to answer these questions myself, and like all good community mixups, it just turns up more questions. But there are answers to be found, and Id like to share my ideas as I keep searching.
Most people think the roots of this change-up lie in Digg v4. It was meant to be an upgrade from Digg v3 a permanent change with better load times, better features, and a better UI. But shortly after the site went up, something went very, very wrong. Not only did users dislike the general look and feel of the site, but they also felt betrayed as personal information (formerly attached to their accounts) disappeared without warning. Additionally, the site was constantly crashing due to a new, bug-laden database. Shortly thereafter, users began closing their accounts and moving out. If the reports are to be believed, it appears most of them went to Reddit.
But hold on. Is this truly the beginning of the end as so many former-Diggers claim? Will the mass exodus actually destroy Digg? Im not so sure. Most of the Diggers think this is something new, but this type of community migration has occurred on the Internet time after time after time. Community migrations happen almost constantly due to the ebb and flow of the net. Diggs loss of user base is just a very high-profile occurrence. Im here to argue that Diggs not done just yet and on top of that, this whole thing started long before Digg v4.
In the Beginning
In the beginning (2004), there was Digg. It was crappy, slow, and ugly. As an experiment run by 3 friends (one of which is current CEO Kevin Rose), it focused on technology news and not much else. Digg slowly picked up steam by word of mouth (and email), and eventually there was something like a stable user base. Due to the sites content and founders, most of these users were tech geeks, developers, and information technology people. (Sort of a social news equivalent of slashdot if you remember slashdot.)
Digg v2
Over time, Digg grew. To keep up with the changing community (and compete with other sites), Digg launched version 2 with a new friends feature (July 2005). Suddenly the anonymous posting and approval features took a new turn those 128 other Diggers all had names and icons. Furthermore, this pushed toward new features such as suggestions and recommendations from friends. The awareness of others began to creep into Digg, and the whole site began shaping itself into a community.
Diggnation
Parallel to the Digg v2 launch, Kevin Rose and Alex Albrecht hosted a new podcast called Diggnation. It served as a best of the week show for Diggs top stories, and it attracted a much larger audience than Kevin Rose had ever imagined. The name Diggnation really proved itself to be accurate as live recordings pulled bigger and bigger crowds. Users proudly wore Digg T-shirts and sent pictures to the show. Girls asked the hosts on dates and (*gasp*) wanted their bodies autographed. Kevin Rose appeared on the cover of BusinessWeek in an embarrassing photograph that became part of Digg culture (and legend). The listener base became so large that Diggnations parent company (Revision3) began offering a wider array of shows and operating independently of Digg. Diggnation proved one thing: ignoring Kevin and Alexs couch-seat comedy, Diggs user base had become unprecedentedly large.
Digg v3
Early in 2006, Digg began receiving buyout offers. Kevin Rose (and company) pushed forward with the site and launched Digg v3 (June 2006). Aiming to bring a wider audience to Digg, the site boasted new categories, expanding beyond the tech crowd with World & Business, Entertainment, and Videos. Furthermore, features like top stories became more explicit throughout the life of Digg v3. Things that were formerly hidden became transparent, and the developers experimented with a number of different features to varying degrees of success.
The New Crowd
In some ways, Digg v3 was a smashing success. It attracted an entirely new crowd of users wholly uninterested in technology news. The community was utterly central to Digg, and the site reflected this attitude. Digg was all about friends, following, and personalized news. But were the New Crowd really faithful to Digg?
In other ways, Digg v3 was a resounding failure. Older users slowly trickled out this was not the site they knew and loved any more. Gone were the in-depth articles on technology and development. Gone were the analyses of programming. Gone were the debates over Ruby on Rails vs. PHP. Replacing them were things like how to cook in 10 easy steps. Digg began to look less like a technology site and more like a web version of Maxim magazine. Sure, you could filter out the stuff you didnt like, but why bother? Even the programming channels had turned away from in-depth articles and toward basic tutorials. Digg had, in a sense, sacrificed depth for breadth of content.
As the content of Digg became broader, so did the audience. Sadly, as the depth of Digg became shallower, so did the audience. Digg users felt entitled to their resources. They felt they owned their accounts, owned their list of dugg articles, owned their interface. When the encryption key for HD-DVD was cracked, Digg forced a gag order on all related stories. In response, the community threw a fit. They demanded not to be censored, and they threatened rebellion. In desperation, Kevin Rose (and the entire Digg company) relented. Kevin personally published a story on the official Digg blog with the encryption key in it, announcing he would no longer censor stories on Digg.
after seeing hundreds of stories and reading thousands of comments, youve made it clear. Youd rather see Digg go down fighting than bow down to a bigger company. We hear you, and effective immediately we wont delete stories or comments containing the code and will deal with whatever the consequences might be.
If we lose, then what the hell, at least we died trying.
A brave move to be sure, but what was the motivation? Was this for fear of rebellion or a desire to be true to the community? Nobody really knows, but whatever the case, Kevin set a dangerous precedent by bowing to community pressure. After initially proclaiming Kevin Rose a hero, Digg users became increasingly demanding. Additionally, Digg became less about reading interesting content and more about popular comments. It was extremely commonplace to see comment threads where most of the audience hadnt even read the linked article. Memes evolved from the New Crowd and were used and re-used into the ground. (In fact, if you check the archives of Diggnation, you can find a list of most commonly used Digg memes.)
The Digg Effect
When Digg first started, blog-owners would often report cases where their entire site had crashed due to a sudden influx of traffic. Named The Digg Effect, this traffic rapidly drew the attention of outsiders. For entrepreneurs, this traffic could be an easy source of income. The power of Digg traffic slowly dawned on several different audiences, all of whom tried to leverage it for their own uses. At first, business-people tried to copy Digg; in the face of failure, they tried to buy out top Diggers and re-direct traffic toward their sites. Unscrupulous Diggers tried to create Digg exchanges where they bought and sold Diggs on one anothers stories, all to get articles to the front page. Community members competed for attention in comment threads. The once-dreaded Digg Effect had become a marketing tactic known web-wide.
The Release of Digg v4
All the while, the developers at Digg were hard at work on a new version. To combat exploitation from both outsiders and users, Digg made it so that content-owners received credit for their stories (rather than random users who submitted the stories first). The goal was give credit where due and reduce duplicate submissions of the same story. To make the site more community-oriented, Digg made several features friend-oriented by default. Gone were the days where you saw the opinions and pulse of the entire community suddenly your world was limited to specific friends and taste-makers. While developing Digg v4, the idea was obviously to make Digg more community-oriented. The users, however, received it much differently.
On August 25, 2010, Digg officially released Digg v4. Early reports indicated crashes, data-loss, and a general sense of confusion. In the words of the now-famous meme, Digg accidentally their website, and it was bad. In response, Kevin Rose posted a message on his blog to ameliorate the Digg community. The community was not amused. When the site came back online, Diggers began complaining en-masse about the problems, the layout, and the loss of their data. The nation of Digg demanded a full revert to Digg v3. Whether on purpose or by freak accident, many of these stories mysteriously disappeared from the front page. This was the last straw Digg went into a full-scale revolt. Users began posting all submissions to Reddit (Diggs #1 rival), then submitting the Reddit pages to Digg. By mob power, the Digg front page was dominated by Reddit articles. Vocal Digg users began publicly abandoning the website in droves. Legitimate stories were covered with comment threads full of this account is now closed. Few (if any) Digg users were brave enough todefend the website.The community had officially turned against Digg.
Where We Are Now
Despite the problems, Digg is still alive, and it has undergone many changes to placate the mob that abandoned it. Thenextweb estimates that Digg has lost 26% of its U.S. market and even more in the UK. This is substantial to be sure, but its a far cry from the mass destruction the mob intended. While Digg is currently in a tough spot, the site still retains about 3/4 of its original user base. Perhaps the 1/4 that left were just the loudest? Only Digg really knows anything about who left and stuck around. Given Diggs response (virtual silence), I wouldnt be surprised if the users who left the website were undesirable or problematic to begin with.
Think about it. This is a website that risked its own financial stability to satisfy the community. On a number of occasions Kevin Rose has risked the collapse of Diggs financial backing for the apparent good of the community. Remember that HD-DVD scandal I mentioned? It couldve easily gone the other way. Remember the Kevin Rose fanboys that supported his every move? Gone. The BusinessWeek photograph had gone from a fun inside joke to a banner of hatred. How did we get here? How did the community go from love to hate so very quickly?
One thing is certain: those who abandoned Digg were not the original, loyal user base that existed in Digg v1. Those who loved Digg for its technology focus had trickled off the site years ago. They were slowly replaced by a new generation (a New Crowd) of less-loyal, more selfish individuals. These were people who loved MySpace because it let them have their own webpage. Then they abandoned MySpace for Facebook, which became their new stomping ground. When they heard about Digg from their geeky friends, they decided to try it. Then they decided to make it their own. These people were the community of Digg. Is it really surprising they pitched a fit when Digg did something they hated? I dont think so.
Like any good story, theres a lot more under the surface. We can safely assume that the community for which Digg bled, sweated, and sacrificed itself had become immature and selfish over time. Maybe Digg will collapse. Maybe Digg is just happy they left only time will tell. Those who have moved on to Reddit have already begun making some unwelcome waves. For now, the vocal users of Reddit seem happy to have them, but perhaps well see the same thing happen there as well? I would offer the following words of caution to Reddit: Be very careful which community you encourage to stick around (and which one you alienate). You dont want to sacrifice yourself for a community that abandons you.
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sokkzSep 26, 2010Submitter
Is Digg really in trouble? I'm not so sure. This is a different point of view on the recent Digg v4 scandal and a word of warning for Reddit.
alanocuSep 26, 2010
Is Digg in trouble? Does a bear s**t in the woods?
sykoninjaSep 26, 2010
FTA: It was extremely commonplace to see comment threads where most of the audience hadn’t even read the linked article.
=(
canyoucountSep 26, 2010
I agree with the article.. the Iphone 4 is slow, even on the latest rev of the IOS.
canyoucountSep 27, 2010
It appears (-4 diggs) that /s is dead. LOL?
realwebhatSep 27, 2010
Like me, I'm commenting and haven't read the story. ;)
rally603Sep 27, 2010
This wasn't always a bad thing. Sometimes I'd click on an article I might not be particularly interested in reading all the way through just so I could read the comments, because they were consistently funny and insightful.
maxdSep 27, 2010
To be fair - the same is true on Slashdot. I've always thought that a quiz about the article before commenting would be neat.
Closed AccountSep 27, 2010
Really? You are not so sure? Have you seen the numbers? a 30%+ decrease in traffic at a time when investors were DEMANDING an increase?
And one of the reasons they are in trouble is bulls**t like you submitting to your own s**tty ass blog.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
celino_cSep 27, 2010
Lesson learned: Revert to f**king v3
robbh66Sep 27, 2010
I read your article until you got to the "Digg Effect." Writing that paragraph shows how little history you know (go ahead, google "digg effect" and see what comes up first, and why I shouldn't have bothered reading this in the first place.
Closed AccountSep 27, 2010
'Slashdot effect', also associated with Fark, Drudge Report, Reddit, Twitter and... Digg
thefamouscSep 27, 2010
Dugg for slashdot
robbh66Sep 27, 2010
If you read the article, the author implies Digg was somehow the first instance where people noticed it.
rpgmakrSep 27, 2010
If the number of comments is something to judge by.. digg is in trouble. What a f**king shame.
Closed AccountSep 27, 2010
Yes, Digg is in a major trouble.
http://mohtasham.info/article/4-reasons-why-digg-v4-sucks/
sokkzSep 27, 2010Submitter
http://rorr.im/digg.com/technology/lessons_learned_from_digg_a_story_of_love_and_hate/
http://sokkz.com.nyud.net/2010/09/25/lessons-learned-from-digg/
Sorry about the crash. Just use the above mirrors until I can get it fixed. Thanks!Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
surferessSep 26, 2010
FTA:"started... as an experiment run by 3 friends (one of which is current CEO Kevin Rose"
Actually Kevin Rose isn't the CEO anymore. He passed that job on to Matt Williams, a former Amazon Exec, shortly after the launch of V4. It was around the end of August.
sokkzSep 26, 2010Submitter
Thanks for catching that -- article has been updated. =)
Closed AccountSep 27, 2010
Less double spacing, hyphens and bolding please.
elwoodbluesSep 27, 2010
did you know that rats leave a sinking ship?
scott2Sep 27, 2010
Did you know that drama queens are 50 times louder than a normal person?
fuhgetabotitSep 26, 2010
I am not in love with the new digg at all but reditt? I can't even read that thing, so thats a no go.
I just figure that they will keep working on this thing and it will come along eventually. Certainly it isn't anything to get all hysterical about. As long as I have a place to pitch my particular point of view and let it be voted on without censorship by one view moderators or gangs I'm happy to play.
I am betting digg comes back because its format, while far from perfect, is still better.
What I want...
1) bury button with some form of moderation to prevent gangs from causing censorship
2) alerts on new comments or better a alert right on the comments page of our own pages to make tracking easier. the overall conversation tracking doesn't really work in my opinion.
3) total votes in the open rather then just the plus/minus total
4) the ability to arrange our own comments the same way we can on each article. I like tracking the comments that get the votes and have the best back and forth going in them.
5) something is way wrong with newssites, blogs, corporations being able to submit, that isn't the idea behind these sites imho.
danbarkerSep 26, 2010
I agree with all points but 5. I think they should be alowed to auto-submit but then that digg given by them is counted as worthless and only shows up in the users feed. As soon as they digg it is counted as their submision (it should show submited by "danBarker via engadget" or something) and then it starts to go in the upcoming and so on.
The burry should be back sort of, you should be limited so you are only going to burry a certain amount of content you hate per day. And after that you are reporting the content.
lunasea79Sep 26, 2010
/agree with danbarker
bigtime2Sep 27, 2010
Just digg the comments you agree with.
bigtime2Sep 27, 2010
There are styles you can download if you run Google Chrome or Firefox to make Reddit look a little different.
stanstutteringSep 27, 2010
The Kübler-Ross model, commonly known as the five stages of grief:
1. Denial – "Everything is fine."; "This can't be happening, not to Digg."
2. Anger – "Why?!? It's not fair!"; "How can this happening?"; "REVOLT!"; "Who is to blame? Damn you, Kevin!!!!!"
3. Bargaining – "Just give me back the bury button and I will stick around."; "Just cut back on the auto-submits a little..."; "I wouldn't mind the spam if I could just have a bury button..."
4. Depression – "I'm so sad, why bother with anything?"; "Digg is dead... What's the point?"; "I miss my beloved Digg, why go on?"; :(
5. Acceptance – "It's going to be okay."; "I can't fight it, I may as well sign up for Reddit."
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@fuhgetabotit and danbarker - you guys are at stage 3.
danbarkerSep 28, 2010
No, Ive always suported Digg V4 (see website entry which I wont post the link for because it makes me look like Im spamming, click though to my account page and its there).
uruururrSep 27, 2010
"I am not in love with the new digg at all but reditt? I can't even read that thing, so thats a no go."
look, i'm no fan of the reddit "design" either but everyone who says they cant even function at that site are just tremendous babies. the human being is pretty adaptable, if you tried it for a week, youd be used to it.
i am also not trying to convert you either, but your five point "what i want" list is already handled more than adequately over there.
all that aside, i'll tell you why i've left digg... the trump card that ends all debate: the content f**king sucks now.
battlecrySep 27, 2010
I thought about joining reddit but my username is already taken over there. Lame.
818diggSep 27, 2010
Why should we adapt to a site? Websites are supposed to adapt to their viewers. How Reddit justifies not updating their appearance when that is the single most complained about aspect of their site on the web is beyond me. There are thousands of people that are vocal about what they need to fix to grow their traffic... Most sites don't have that luxury.
uruururrSep 27, 2010
i'm not suggesting YOU MUST SUBMIT. i'm trying to suggest that people who complain in the "oh god, its so ugly i cant even READ it" are f**king babies. ultimately there is a large community over there that uses it just fine, and are they really that different to you? no. COULD it be prettier? yes. *shrug*
think about restaurants. in one, they changed the menu, and even the presentation of the food. ultimately, the food sucks. the other has some good food some bad food but the ability to filter and customize it all. hey, maybe the food doesn't look as pretty, but its not HORRID.
don't say "I CANT EAT THIS" because your meat and vegetables are touching, or arranged in a way that you don't like. those people are acting like f**king children.
Closed AccountSep 28, 2010
they don't update it because it keeps the morons like you out of it, and that's why its content and user base is miles above digg.
1longtimeSep 27, 2010
"THE CONTENT f**kING SUCKS NOW."
*This* is what matters to me, and it's absolutely accurate.
Just to make a point: this article. I'm reading frontpage content about my content provider. Why is this newsworthy? This is useless content, like most of Digg now.
nubnubSep 28, 2010
Reddit is pretty terrible, but it beats this crap.
Closed AccountSep 26, 2010
As far I know Digg V3 was a BIG Failure.
Loved Digg V2 and V4.
luvkitSep 27, 2010
I'm a fan of V4. It did have problems during the switch, which was to be expected, but were also not excusable for any company. I do think the 'Digg revolt' was a little silly. Basically, this site is entertainment where we all bring things we find to a central place. For people to get so pissy about something like a website changing was 'immature'.
I think Digg will recover. I'm do see some ominous signs. Kevin hasn't updated his blog since the beginning, and the Digg company people aren't really communicating with their community. This isn't good. Kevin, as Digg's spokesman, needs to be out there giving people updates and stories about what's happening at Digg. Initially, this was a community of 'friends of Kevin' and TechTV.
Digg needs to remember this community isn't based around the users knowing users, but rather, a big party of smart people that were all invited to this one guy's house we sort of know... and we're all talking nerdy s**t and current events. So, whatever Digg/Kevin Rose are doing, they need to be in regular communication with the party-goers. If they do, I have no doubt whatever Digg's features end up being, their fan base will be happy. Just make sure there's booze and music, man.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
nubnubSep 28, 2010
You like spam?
danbarkerSep 26, 2010
I have problems with all these stats going around... but thats just a side point. I do think that the users who left (aparently) were the idiots who caused issues in the comments and as we see new users going on to the site they will soon start to make comments and be engaged in the community. Some of the comments in V3 were entierely in-apropreate.
But I dont see how reddit has gained either... at least in the long-run. They now have users who like to rant about change, so reddit, which lets face it looks awful now is stuck that way for a long time and will have a really hard time scaleing past the current userbase.
stanstutteringSep 27, 2010
I'm not sure why anyone is comparing Digg to Reddit, they're not competitors. Reddit is a user-centric social site much like 4chan. Much of what takes place at Reddit has nothing to do with news or current events ( of secondary importance). A lot of Reddit is about people sharing personal photos, ideas, and topics that may or may not have anything to do with what is "hot" on the Internet.
Digg is a content aggregator with some social elements. It's more like stumbleupon.
A lot of ex-Digg users were really looking for a social site, a place to interact with other like-minded people. I know this will come as a surprise, but most people don't actually read the stories, they just wanted to be a part of something.
jshhmrSep 28, 2010
"Much of what takes place at Reddit has nothing to do with news or current events"
We CREATE the news! How do you think the Colbert/Stewart rally got started? As far as other news, I get more news on Reddit than digg now.
It seems many of you think Reddit is an eyesore. It is, sure, but you can change it. There are hundreds of subreddits to subscribe to. One of mine is r/electronic music. There is a subreddit for everything, so there is way more that Reddit has to offer than Digg. This will probably be my last post here on Digg. I'm officially done.
chandambSep 28, 2010
http://reddit.com/r/gonewild THIS changed everything for me.
chuckdontsurfSep 27, 2010
"I do think that the users who left (aparently) were the idiots who caused issues in the comments"
I don't think so. I'm one of the ones who have more or less switched over to reddit, and I've bumped into a few other ex-diggers over there. None of us ever caused "issues" in the comments, unless by this you mean making jokes and stating our opinions. I left because it just didn't feel like the same digg anymore.
BTW, it's pretty easy to change the way reddit looks once you create an account.
lordodroSep 26, 2010
I really do think that as long as people are here participating, Digg will never die. So f**k reddit. "THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE"
Closed AccountSep 27, 2010
The point is, people are participating aboutg 30% less than before. And the PREVIOUS nubmers were not enough for investors.
Where do you think the money will come from once the investors bail out?
danbarkerSep 27, 2010
by selling to google for a massivly cut price
chuckdontsurfSep 27, 2010
Actually seeing as how both digg and reddit have coexisted for many years now, I say there can be more than one.
lordodroSep 27, 2010
Wow, really? I had no idea. C'mon, it's a quote from Highlander I added for fun. Climb back in your hole.
themachine1Sep 27, 2010
That "unwelcome waves" link from Reddit the author posted clearly shows that user did not have an account on Reddit. Which make a users front page look totally different. That is one of the nice things about Reddit that "My News" on Digg tried to copy. You can go through a massive list of topics and choose which ones to follow on Reddit. On Digg you follow sources not topics. That a very inefficient way to find articles.
ten2coolSep 27, 2010
true, but how many people do you think actually register for accounts on any social news site? i'm guessing a huge number of visitors never actually register, and the front page (whatever it may be) is all they ever see
lordodroSep 27, 2010
I never registered till 2 days ago, and I've been checking Digg for four years now.
jiggawattSep 27, 2010
The "unwelcome waves" link actually made me love reddit more. There were some good tips on how to improve my redditing experience. :D
lavihanSep 27, 2010
Though I a new transfer. I don;t think digg is good enough.
itwasonlyajokeSep 27, 2010
It's working fine for me. I think you people just hate change and like to complain.
I thought liberals liked change?
quisquisSep 27, 2010
I despise the new dig, but I dug ya up cause your last sentence was amusing to me. lol
couragewulfSep 27, 2010
How is a blog that has been around for 1 month able to get on the front page with digg advice?
danbarkerSep 27, 2010
Yes, lots of digg stories are getting to the front page of digg. So if you want hits, write about digg.
davidtcSep 27, 2010
I've wondered the same thing about lots of you and your friends submissions.
SeiLuciusSep 27, 2010
I liked the earliest versions best. When I started reading it, it was because it was the same as slashdot but with more stories. The content was shallower with version 3. Since the v4 relaunch I'm not finding much that I like to read anymore, and have spent more time with other aggregates, like slashdot, reddit, and fark. The content just isn't as good unless you're logging in and viewing or following specific content creators, and I don't like the layout of the main page, with the bar on the left (you'd think that most of the load for the site would be the articles, it should be trivial to implement multiple layouts.)
The features that have been implemented don't feel as complete either, if it's going to be user and community oriented I'd like to see more info on top posters and top feeds (because the popular ones would likely be more entertaining to read) Also, comments should be editable longer.
That being said, the worst part of V4 has definitely been the users. The "fans" of v3 made it totally unusable, spamming dozens of comments and then that stupid "reddit all over the front page crap", and users nattering on in the comments of every article about how they were going to leave and blaming kevin rose personally for everything they didn't like. I'm glad that's settled down a bit.
ssay1628Sep 27, 2010
Having other people moderate your news for you is only good when the people are good moderators. You bring up a good point wrt the news aggregators -- they have tried and true moderators that at least cut through the crap.
laptopsandpartSep 27, 2010
Exactly word is to develop better features, no one is perfect, need long process to reach the perfect. although It keeps in developing.
phalanxcronosSep 27, 2010
Digg may have lost 30% traffic wise but it seems to have lost around 80-90% community wise. The people coming to digg now are probably non-participants simply visited digg to read news/stories they otherwise wouldn't have else where while I think this was always the bulk of diggs traffic this will dry up soon too because of the lack of community participation. See I use to be a "non-participant" too, and to an extent I still sort of am. Anyways, the stories that people dugg up were interesting but I liked reading peoples comments about the story usually more so then then the story itself. I suspect this is true for others as well. Right now if you want to get on the front page of digg just get a few dozen people to digg your story via twitter/facebook/forums and you'll be on the front page for hours, the front page is now filled with junk with 100 diggs or less and most with no more then a couple dozen comments. If this keeps up the non-participants will stop coming as well.
dmurphySep 27, 2010
So what sites did all the v1 and v2 users trickled off to?
themachine1Sep 27, 2010
Many were geeks with no girlfriends. Many have now found girlfriends and are now forced to do things like watch Twilight movies in their spare time.
mrbabymandySep 27, 2010
formed the initial users of reddit and such
either that or started their own social news sites
for a bigger list of niche sites, see http://knowem.com/websites/all/
brucealmightySep 27, 2010
"We can safely assume that the community for which Digg bled, sweated, and sacrificed itself had become immature and selfish over time."
Absolutely correct, except well, totally ass-backwards. It was Digg that sold out for the bucks and the sponsors and abandoned the troops who had been their faithful supporters. Hey....it's a free country....you can do whatever you like...but don't try to sell us any crap about who really killed Digg because it's pretty damn obvious to all us long time users.
kenneth1213Sep 27, 2010
I don't think that Digg is in trouble ... There is no comparison with Reddit
th0r4z1n3Sep 27, 2010
I was one of the so called "old schoolers" who left with "the new crowd" came in, hopefully I'm not the only one to come back; I'm really diggin v4 so far
robotpixelSep 27, 2010
Diggs still probably the best site of its kind out there, allthough theres a lot of "axels" keep breaking, not good.
istari6Sep 27, 2010
Interesting article, and a lot of it I can agree with. I've been around since v2 but much more as a consumer of interesting stories than an active participant. Part of this is due to laziness, but also with so many power users and cliques it was hard to see yourself making any difference. The new site needs some work but to be honest I don't really care whether a front page story has 100 or 10,000 diggs, as long as it's a good story.
It won't be what the investors want to hear but If the v4 revolt leads to a culling of the herd, then I for one am quite excited to see how it turns out.
browntigerSep 27, 2010
Functionality is fine, boy I hate new looks. Digg can stick they heads into the sand and keep chanting everything is fine, everything is fine. As long as they are not facing reality.
1) New paging technically is good, but practicality = awful.
2) I hate "Load more"
3) Comment threads are terrible.
4) News story pages ugh
5) What is that the page I keep getting sent after logging. what is wrong with returning me to the page I was on?
danbarkerSep 27, 2010
They are pages now... and in comments you dont really want pages so thats fine
trax852Sep 27, 2010
"The Digg Effect
When Digg first started, blog-owners would often report cases where their entire site had crashed due to a sudden influx of traffic. Named “The Digg Effect,” this traffic rapidly drew the attention of outsiders. "
It was first known as the Slashdot Effect, a good article on Slashdot.org would take down a site once a week or more. The Slashdot Effect was a fact for many years before Digg showed up.
Author writes like he was paid for his efforts or used the Digg situation to get his article posted on Digg, Just took a month to do so.
I don't know the version numbers of Digg, I just remember when Digg first became popular it's users were dedicated, I was a member long before the "Spread this number" hit the site.
Dedicated to the point of posting of turning off their HOSTS files and clicking on ads (Idiots). All the while Digg was on the market for the ungodly amount of 300 million.
http://digg.com/news/technology/For_Sale_Used_Social_Voting_Site_Asking_Price_300_Million
sokkzSep 27, 2010Submitter
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If you actually read it, you'd see where I mentioned slashdot. Unfortunately, some of the readers don't have any idea what slashdot is. Please finish reading the article next time.
christienlSep 27, 2010
I'm dumping dig for reddit
spc4Sep 27, 2010
404, any one have a link?
sokkzSep 27, 2010Submitter
sorry about that -- site's up again (100% my fault trying to fix a caching problem)
sokkzSep 27, 2010Submitter
Crashed again -- this time it's on the webhost's end. I'm working with them to get it back up, but until then...
http://rorr.im/digg.com/technology/lessons_learned_from_digg_a_story_of_love_and_hate/
http://sokkz.com.nyud.net/2010/09/25/lessons-learned-from-digg/
taunonSep 27, 2010
There is nothing interesting to read in Digg any more:(
Articles with less than 200 diggs in the Top 10?
gogu21Sep 27, 2010
buried as inaccurate
chrisinstudioSep 27, 2010
My advice to digg is to keep working out the stability issues and bugs. FAST! Listen to the few users who are still here and do your best to appease their needs. Forget about addressing the revolt and decline with excuses and history. Its done and a dead issue and no one will come back if they were that animate about it to begin with. (Bury, pun intended) the past a "move forward" (Yes you can use that for your new tech show Kevin.)
Focus on new users with a brilliant pr campaign and prepare yourself for a 15 round fight. Good luck! I have not logged into my account in over a year and all this negative press brought me back . I hate it, but I see its potential so I'm going to stick around a bit.
thejenksSep 27, 2010
OMG just sell Digg. Its gone from being one of the most simple clean websites to this crunched in news story mess where you cant tell whats an advert and what isn't. Reminds me of the picture tube sites now.
mxdeSep 28, 2010
I miss the old Digg. I actually hate this new version, What am I doing here anyway??
suganindiaSep 28, 2010
Modern Proverb : Greed Kills even websites - Myself :D
sv7nssonSep 28, 2010
I miss the old days when I could dependably read tech articles on Digg 1 or 2 days before they hit slashdot like I miss the days spent at the summer by the lake when I was a teenager.
nubnubSep 28, 2010
"One thing is certain: those who abandoned Digg were not the original, loyal user base that existed in Digg v1."
False
cameleopardOct 5, 2010
I for one had been around since early 2005, so pretty early for the site. I'm one of the ones who left for reddit, though I check back here purely for the schadenfreude of watching the trainwreck digg has become.
Aside from the dearth of comment activity on stories, the content of what's being pushed to the top is simply uninteresting or irrelevant to the category it's posted in. I liked being able to dive into the comments when I felt like it but I more so liked the quality and quantity of information I was able to take in. In a lot of these stories on the decline of digg they go on and on about power users, but for me, the real issue is that the content is gone, and if I was getting that engaging content because of a cabal of power users curating stories, well, it was a thousand times better than the horses**t all over the site now.
So, I moved to reddit, love it, love the comments section, love that nsfw sections are allowed. If digg went back to v3 in tomorrow I highly doubt I'd come back. I expect I shall continue to visit for the schadenfreude, and I do indeed hope digg finishes it's slow dive into oblivion for f**king its userbase over so precipitously.
Edit: had to wait about a half hour because of "failed to load story" errors, then it logged me out, then it wouldn't load the comments. Awesome job, digg! /s
nu_metalzSep 28, 2010
Read Kevin's blog, or watch diggnation, he talks about the new digg.
dustinhagstromSep 28, 2010
I agree
gordigorSep 28, 2010
Wow. 'Load More' actually loaded more.
I do believe Digg has lost a lot of users. This submission had the most comments I've seen since V4 launched. Reading comments was more than half the fun of Digg.
vavarraOct 1, 2010
Didn't we hear the same complaints when they rolled out v3?