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alexcercelcApr 13, 2011
This is a bit disturbing. Yeah, I want to be able to use email/chats/etc as evidence if anything comes up, but I also want my privacy. And how comes if I were to look into someone elses email/im chats/etc I would be persecuted for personal mail violation but they can do that to me without getting any sort of punishment. And they don't even need a warrant to do it?.. that's crap. Now who's protecting us?
norman619Apr 13, 2011
There is no privacy on the internet. Get used to it.
alexcercelcApr 13, 2011
I know that but still. This is too obvious
IraKaneApr 13, 2011
Getting used to it misses the point. Law evolves with the times and just because there is no privacy protection now doesn't mean there shouldn't be people upset. This is how we get rid of the gray area and change the status quo.
HumanWikiApr 13, 2011
Of course they do.. This country is all about preaching freedom while secretly taking it away by making people look the other way..
LEO's don't like being told no.
rufiohoApr 13, 2011
this is such a thin line, because I want to be kept safe but I want the right to privacy
norman619Apr 13, 2011
What privacy is being violated? When you are on a network which is not your own private network then you are not private. You have to start looking at chat, email, txting, and all other forms of communication over the internet as if you were talking on a cellphone int he middle of Time Square. None of that is really private.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
alexcercelcApr 13, 2011
Not really sure I agree here. I mean this could be extended to nail mail too. After all you're sending it through a public service, right?
And if that applies than why not start hacking Nasa's servers?.... after all they also have access to the public network of internet...
norman619Apr 13, 2011
Snail mail is closed to the public. you have to open it up the envelope and see what's inside. Not quite the same. When you send info over an ISP's network that data becomes the property of the ISP. The same applies to your work network. Anything you create and send over their network is theirs not yours and they are free to inspect all the information you send through their system. I have been doing IT for MANY years and I've had to explain this to many employees. People simply don't understand how this all works.
You do understand what hacking is right? It is the gaining of UNAUTHORIZED access to a computer or network. If you have to force your way into a system it is not open and is basically cyber-breaking-and-entering. Not quite the same. NASA's systems are not open to the public. Just like how your home isn't open to the public even though the public roads lead to your home.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
baldkat82Apr 13, 2011
The only difference in a legal one. Consider this, lets say I have an email account and I access it via POP3 and tell it to download my messages. Well, now the email is on MY computer and requires a search warrant to obtain. But if it's in the cloud a search warrant isn't required? It's the SAME email message. Work networks are different. We are primarily discussing personal emails, texts etc...
Also, just because your ISP may operate your email, does not mean they are AUTHORIzED to open up the emails without your consent. Having the ability to access them easily does not mean they are authorized to do so. (unless your service agreement states so)
THis is the problem with a lack of digital privacy rights today. The laws have not caught up to the technology. They do need to create a law to make things liek email and text messages protected under the 4th amendement. You have a "reasonable expectation" of privacy with these transmissions. It should be treated no different than a piece of snail mail.
16x9Apr 13, 2011
Norman619, you missed your calling. You'd have had a big future in the old Soviet Union or present day China.
norman619Apr 13, 2011
No it's just that you don't understand the nature of public networks and what you are doing when you transmit your information through them. Don't blame your ignorance on me.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
16x9Apr 13, 2011
Norman, I'm an engineer. I understand how the system works. This is not a technical question. It's a legal question. You should try to understand the difference.
Closed AccountApr 13, 2011
public network, lmao
what an idiot
johnlawsonApr 13, 2011
I don't agree with this at all.
Let's say you needed to personally deliver a hand written message. Rather than use the US post office, you decide to drive it to your friend's house instead. With that mindset, you don't have a right to privacy because the road you're driving on is public.
A person should have a right to privacy.
Closed AccountApr 13, 2011
it's not a thin line at all, this is blatant 4th amendment violation
norman619Apr 13, 2011
how?
Closed AccountApr 13, 2011
*facepalm
please go back and finish your GED
norman619Apr 13, 2011
So in other words you can't give me an answer.... Understood.
korvarApr 13, 2011
"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."
norman619Apr 13, 2011
kovar: So how does that apply to information you send across the internet? Please explain. I've heard this claim many times but have never heard anyone actually clarify why they feel this applies. Honest question. I want to understand this point of view since I hear it all the time.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
casspaApr 13, 2011
Nothing to see here....move along sirs
ashkoApr 13, 2011
The situation resembles China...
doskrautApr 13, 2011
You all miss something, law enforcement. Cops have the guns and attitude there the law and we are the criminals. this is Nothing more than fear mongering.they are in control.
norman619Apr 13, 2011
It's up to the service providers since the data belongs to them not you. Law enforcement can request it. It's up to the providers to say yes or no. Nothing wrong with it. It's like them asking me to give them info on someone I may know who they are investigating. I don't have to answer them.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.