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asdafasdfafsadfafadafsasFeb 5, 2012
And there goes the myth that iOS is more stable and better than Android.
Apple only has to worry with a couple of their own phones, Android is an OS for a huge number of smartphone models (oh noes fragmentation is so bad right? right?) and it still crashes less.
freakazoidzaFeb 5, 2012
Klol. Nope. Its cause iOS has a much much larger amount of apps, hence it has more chances for crashes.
spazattack5000Feb 5, 2012
Did you even read the article or was it too long for you?
freakazoidzaFeb 6, 2012
Yes did you ? Thought not lol.
sab0tageFeb 6, 2012
I think you missed the bit that explained they adjusted for the size difference.
freakazoidzaFeb 6, 2012
Its talking about application crashes. How can you 'adjust' the results in order to make it a fair comparison with android ? You cant. Keep down voting you droids. Have you even read the new google policy they throw at you now everywhere ?
They going to watch everything you do on google,gmail etc etc etc and your phone. And you cant say no.
Christ, droid fanboys are so bad.
sab0tageFeb 6, 2012
I'm not a fan of Android, I still haven't seen anything which makes me think it's any better than Windows Mobile. That said, it's still possible to adjust samples to create a fair comparison, it's called mathematics.
kamtsaFeb 6, 2012
Give him a break, he read the portion of the article that fit on his tiny iPhone screen.
ericn84Feb 5, 2012
The article does not go into which O/S is more stable than the other. It was about which one has more application crashes.
If you want to look at OS stability then look at only the O/S. I have had Android, iOS, and Win 7.5 phones. I also manage the cell phones for my organization that has over 300 smartphones. All of our employees have a range of different O/S. I personally have never run into a single crash on a Windows 7.5 phone when I used it for 6 months straight, I have ran into a few with iOS, but with Andriod, it is almost a weekly affair with having the phones go into a hard lock.
I have gone through 4 different Andriod phones and they all had issues with locking up/freezing so it wasn't any single manufacture nor version. I am wont advocate here that one O/S is superior over the other as they each have their strengths and weaknesses depending on what you need them for. However I cannot stand here and listen to someone say that Android is a superior O/S because it is a more stable platform.
ben7337Feb 5, 2012
But is it the OS locking, or is it an app causing the phone to lock? How often when windows freezes it is really windows, and not just a program? I'm not sure the phone freezing is really proof of a bad OS either. Just apps being given more control perhaps. iOS is more prone to just crashing the app, rather than letting it freeze the phone generally.
sab0tageFeb 6, 2012
It's the same thing really. The OS should be able to handle an application crash without itself locking up. All OSs will freeze on occasion, but they should terminate rogue processes and then carry on as normal.
I've had some WP7 apps crash, but I've not actually had WP7 crash or had to restart it as a result of an app crash.
ben7337Feb 6, 2012
True, but even windows 7 can freeze, but you don't see it as often in osx and such. I get the feeling there must be some reason for it, since it seems beyond easy to me to limit apps to a little playground that keeps them from taking 100% of the phone/computer's power and locking it up. Android could stand to do better at that, or at least have better app management though.
Thankfully the popular apps on both usually don't cause issues on either iOS or Android. idk about WP7 though as I've never seen a real one in person.
sab0tageFeb 6, 2012
You might want to search for "pinwheel of death" Mr high and mighty Mac user.
I don't find Windows 7 freezes at all on my home PC, but it's got 8GB ram and a nippy quad core i7 CPU. On my dual core work laptop it freezes occasionally, loading up a big file in Acrobat is a pretty reliable way of making it freeze for a few seconds.
ben7337Feb 6, 2012
How dare you call me a mac user. I would never use such a useless piece of junk. There are so many things no Mac can do that I NEED. I am an avid windows user. However I do see freezes on windows, whereas most people who have macs claim that they never freeze.
starfishsystemsFeb 6, 2012
"All OSs will freeze on occasion"
Only misdesigned ones. An operating system that "freezes" is not doing its job.
starfishsystemsFeb 6, 2012
"How often when windows freezes it is really windows, and not just a program?"
100% of the time. Operating systems exist to provide an abstract environment in which applications can safely operate. That's why they're called "operating systems". Failure to provide that safely is failure of the operating system, period.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
ben7337Feb 6, 2012
In that case, why can't windows, the most popular OS, after years of development, manage to code so that the OS never lets an application take control and result in freezing the whole PC? Is it really so hard to limit the number of clock cycles that one gives to all apps?
starfishsystemsFeb 9, 2012
You're asking why is Windows defective by design? The short answer is because Microsoft put profits before ethics. There's no technical barrier to building a preemptive task scheduler. Every undergraduate computer scientist since the 1960s learns how to do it. If the Windows scheduler does not reliably preempt, then BY DEFINITION it's defective.
billycans77Feb 6, 2012
I'm calling BS on this one. I know at least a dozen people with Android phones (my best mate and my wife included). I have never heard any of them saying they've had a hard lock, let alone the OS rebooting - and you've had 100% ... I seriously doubt that you've seen four out of four Android phones from different vendors that all crash, unless they were all hacked/modded in the same way, or really bad power that's damaging the electronics some how.
Billycans77
sab0tageFeb 6, 2012
I'm not saying you're wrong, but ask yourself when you last heard a blackberry user complain the last time they had to reset their phone? You can't remember because it happens so often they're used to it, it's part of their everyday life like their heart beating; you don't hear people talking about that unless something unusual happens, "oh, I had a heart attack the other day".
kamtsaFeb 6, 2012
ericn, so you say that total user experience is not important anymore and users should care only about the OS layer. Well, this is a first from an iPhone fan.
thetromFeb 5, 2012
App crash? No no no... you mean iCrash. Its a feature
footbag01Feb 5, 2012
My iPhone crashes more then my Windows 3.1 system did. It's even worse as a phone.
nitoriFeb 6, 2012
Windows 3.1 actually was generally more stable then 9x was.
lilbambiFeb 6, 2012
Can't compare iOS to Android, but I can say that since they moved to iOS 5, and they are not checking about updates to apps people have to make sure they work right on older iOS 4.2 before allowing them to updated on older devices that can't go to iOS 5, you see alot more crashing of apps (some purchased ones too) on older devices.
I do not think it is too much to ask for Apple to check the version of a device before updating to the latest version of an app. There is no point in updating an app on an older device that can't run it.
:angry:
kamtsaFeb 6, 2012
Android Market allows developers to control what phone versions will see that app. It also allows to exclude specific phone models and to provide multiple versions of the app for different devices.
nitoriFeb 6, 2012
A good OS should neither crash nor freeze when an app behaves badly.
PHPMySQL127Feb 5, 2012
Speaking as an app programmer, iOS is has far more stable from our end because of Apple's strict app approval process compared to Android.
Another major factor for stability is hardware and screen resolution. With iOS you are basically designing for three devices (retina, non-retina, iPad) vs. Android where we currently make over eleven resolution settings per app for oodles of hardware manufacturers.
Really, its a mixed bag. iOS has stricter building requirements, but runs on uniform hardware... Android has a simple app process but no standards to resolution or hardware.
ben7337Feb 5, 2012
And that is a major problem. Android should at the very least cut down to like 4 resolutions for phones and 2 for tablets.
Also android definitely needs some more strict requirements for apps to stay on the market especially if they charge money. Some really suck and people use them just because they are popular, but the android versions are unusable.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
kamtsaFeb 6, 2012
Yet another 'government should do something about it'. If an app sucks, it will be reflected in poor user ratings.
kamtsaFeb 6, 2012
11 resolutions settings? You must doing something wrong. Educated yourself about Android's 'dip' unit (device independent pixels).
vitriolandangstFeb 6, 2012
I've only had like 4 crashes on my iPad/iTouch apps. And I've had over hundreds of applications and I've delete more apps in a week to make space on the iPad than we've even installed on my wife's Android based myTouch.
Reports of iPhone crashes are probably coming from the one person with a phone they've NEVER SHUT DOWN to reset after an OS upgrade - or they are Android users who are lying their butts off.
My brother, who once made fun of me about my claims about the Apple iPhone, has three right now, and two iPads (family of three and all) -- and they have had no problems in the least.
>> Consider the source if you listen to the doom and gloom about iPhone problems -- because there are a lot of BS artists out there. I've never seen anyone IRL showing off their Android phone to someone with an iPhone.
ka5p3rFeb 6, 2012
now we need research on what caused the problem.phone,app,os,user error.my phone is much less problematic when i reboot it every week.just as with a computer the longer it stays on the more bit rot it has.
uthmanFeb 5, 2012
I used to hate Apple but now I develop for iOS as well as Android. Nonetheless, far be it form me to be an iOS or Apple fanboy. But I'm jussayin' that these numbers are probably skewed. Throughout history thus far, iOS has been prevalent over Android, so of course I would expect to see more 'crashes' from iOS based devices than Android based devices. It might be wise to normalize the dataComment is buried, click here to see the rest.
ben7337Feb 5, 2012
Doesn't the fact that the data is presented as crashes/app launch normalize it? It is shown as a % of the total number of app launches.
Also the other chart for solid numbers does claim to be normalized.
kikilaiFeb 6, 2012
I don't know:) But i'm using Andriod app now.
kamtsaFeb 6, 2012
Did it crash after you typed the first sentence?
kikilaiFeb 7, 2012
I think it's just fine untill now. It has quick response when i type:)
icemanjack22Feb 5, 2012
Pointless comparison. The article barely scratches the surface of software development and what actually causes crashes. Also their data is rubbish because they didn't implement any kind of control in their samples. Gee iOS crashes more in 10 days than android right when a new ios is released......duh!
The facts:
Android uses Java, iOS uses objective-c. Java and objective-c handle memory management very differently, and since you have to do a lot more memory management manually in objective-c you are more likely to get crashes. (yes I know about arc, but that's still fairly new). Also even though objective-c has been around since the late 80's, it's only gained wide adoption within the past few years, while they've been teaching Java in CS101 for quite some time. So Java developers in general probably average a few more years of experience under their belt.
The article mentions that 3rd party libraries cause many crashes....you mean like the one used to collect the data? Title should be crittercism(or whatever the hell their name is) is more stable on android than iOS.
Another thing, if you are a noob programmer who is just starting out, are you more likely to target iOS or android? I'm willing to bet iOS, so that increases the number of crappy unstable applications on the store. Also if a dev does discover a crash, on android he can submit an update instantly, iOS not so much.
Lastly one thing that might actually relate to stability of the platforms as a whole is that Apple doesn't seem to care much about backwards compatibility. Each new os they roll out causes crashes in what used to be perfectly working code. Also I believe IOS is much stricter on memory management, and that causes lots of apps to terminate for simply taking up too much memory(devs have to do even more work on iOS to handle memory warnings properly)
There's probably a lot more flaws about the article I could add here, but I think I've ranted long enough :)Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
monstersaysrawrFeb 5, 2012
wow that's some serious over-justifying fanboy!
icemanjack22Feb 5, 2012
It would be if I leaned one way or the other. I can't tell you which OS is more stable, I'm just pointing out this article can't either.
In my opinion the only real way to compare these platforms "stability"(whereby stability means how crashy their apps are) is to have a programmer with roughly the same experience in iOS and Android, write the same app for both, and see which one crashes more. Then repeat this step with many more programmers who can do the same thing, and with very different apps, until you have a large enough sample size so the data actually means something.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
monstersaysrawrFeb 5, 2012
yeah that's fair! high 5 for logic!
icemanjack22Feb 5, 2012
What's illogical or unfair? (besides the fact that i'm responding to your troll comments)
monstersaysrawrFeb 5, 2012
Wait, so you're starting an argument after I agreed with your point? Hmm.
icemanjack22Feb 5, 2012
I'm sorry if I misinterpreted what seemed to be a sarcastic tone based on your condescending language and use of exclamation points.
thehiddenprojecFeb 5, 2012
Well. Programmers have always said it was easier and safer to write applications in iOS than in android. And bundled with the fact that apple launched their phone like 2 years ahead of android, it took android much longer to polish it's os.
I would imagine iOS programmers already had the advantage over android programmers.
The arguement isn't whether or not one os is more stable than the other. The article points out applications crashing which is on a completely different software layer.
I am guessing the only thing you can conclude from the article is the "quality" of apps you get. Just because they don't crash as much.
vitriolandangstFeb 6, 2012
There have to be a dozen Android bloggers on here right now.
They want us to believe that the iPhone is the #1 smart phone and increasing market share based on duped consumers.
There is no chance this article by Forbes is anything but 99% bulls**t. The vast majority of Android based phones are bargain basement pieces of junk and NOT the HTC or Galaxy. If they base it ONLY on the best 3 Android phones MAYBE, they might have a shot -- but I doubt it.
Forbes the man and Forbes the magazine have very little real credibility in my book -- and they are notorious Apple bashers.
>> Well probably get another trojan horse app story this next week, so I wouldn't worry about the noise generated by these phony stats.
thehiddenprojecFeb 6, 2012
I'm pretty sure the iPhone gets viruses too...
The article isn't about the phones, but the OSes. They compare different versions of the operating system and see how they crash or fail.
The fact that some android phones are pure junk is a good thing. It lets consumers a choice based on their price range. Not everyone can own an iPhone or a Galaxy phone.
kungfuspoonFeb 6, 2012
I would hasten to point out that windows is the most popular consumer OS and it is widely considered to be hugely buggy etc.
Also the strict rules set down by Apple and their Black-Box testing methods do not so much govern how well programmed the Apps are but their generally to govern features so they run through Apple approved processes (ie. no built in pay stores, no tethering apps and so on) and also skim off the apps that look unpolished and likely to crash.
I would also suggest that the nature of iPhone as a product tends to encourage more people who are not tech savy and more likely to just install any and all apps (note I am not saying all iPhone users aren't tech savy I am saying it has a great appeal to those who aren't) while android tends to appeal to more tech savy geek types though that is starting to shift. It's kind of like Windows vs. Linux, Windows appeals to the masses because it is relatively straight forward to use, while Linux really lets you get under the hood and have a look around. Linux is more intimidating to a non-tech savy person as it is at a glance harder to use and even if they do use it people tend not to find themselves destroying the OS because it that much less straight forward.
joe2therevengeFeb 5, 2012
Who cares if an App crashes? That has nothing to do with the operating system. That's a failure in the app itself, hence why the send out updates far more often.
But consider this:
Android phones freeze up completely and must be restarted FAR more often than iOS
So here's what we're looking at basically:
Time to relaunch an iOS app: 3 seconds
Time to remove Android back cover, remove battery, reinstall battery, replace cover, and restart entire phone: 3 minutes.
Yes, Android: the future of cellphone innovation *eyeroll*Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
greasydaemonFeb 6, 2012
time to restart android application also 3 seconds. your argument is invalid.
greasydaemonFeb 6, 2012
time to remove iphone battery = 10 minutes.
remove screws, take s**tty battery out, put it back in, put screws back in.
joe2therevengeFeb 6, 2012
the iPhone battery never needs to be taken out, because the phone does not freeze. That's a nice little feature exclusive to Android.
greasydaemonFeb 6, 2012
"Who cares if an App crashes? That has nothing to do with the operating system. "
>>nothing to do with android then.
batteries need to be replaced when it cannot hold a charge. your argument is still invalid.
vitriolandangstFeb 6, 2012
Joe -- don't sweat it, these a-holes are not iPhone owners -- they are talking out their ass.
Customer satisfaction is higher with the iPhone -- so it's likely these bloggers are as full of s**t as Forbes.
joe2therevengeFeb 6, 2012
oh i don't sweat it. I've watched a dozen people i know switch from Android to iPhone after their Android pieces of s**t started resending 100 old text messages at a time, or completely freezing up and couldn't be restarted without removing the battery.
That OS is just f**king garbage. I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
bestacousticsFeb 6, 2012
iOS is more stable that android apps.
vitriolandangstFeb 6, 2012
Consider the source here; http://www.forbes.com
-- there has been NO publisher that has talked more trash about Apple. One of their executives started the "Fake Steve Jobs" website.
I call bulls**t on this. In the middle of talking about the enormous number of headaches from the split platform and customizing providers, we have numerous stories of viruses and trojan horse apps. Forbes is just trying to put out some FUD so the press can chew on Apple a little bit.
If these Crash stats were even remotely in touch with Reality, Apple's iPhone wouldn't have the best customer satisfaction in the industry. Other than the 3 best, very latest Android phones like the Galaxy or HTC -- the vast majority of the Android phones are craptastic and disappointing.
These stats cannot possibly be true if you consider that MOST Android phones are on sub-par pieces of junk -- not to say that Android CANNOT be a great phone, but let's be honest about what happens when most of your market is bargain buyers of smart phones.
The iPhone sells for slightly less than the top Android phones that are of excellent build quality -- it costs more than the bargain basement phones which are the majority of what is sold.
The iPhone 3 outsells any of the other Android phones.
Can the iPhone really be the #1 Smart Phone after years of having buggy, crashing apps? The ads for the iPhone are not even half as cool as the Android phones so maybe it's some other reason;
http://forums.appleinsider.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=142795Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
TheOsnovisFeb 6, 2012
iOS is still more stable anf not as laggy as android...
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Let me tell you about this river in Egypt. . .
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