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proudmattJun 24, 2010
It's not all about phone calls and 3g signal you know. It's much thinner that the 3GS and it's got a revolutionary front facing camera. Who needs signal anyway?
elranzerJun 24, 2010
I mean, really.... how important is it for a phone to make phone calls?
tgc1Jun 25, 2010
I know, the nerve of these f**king people.
darkstar3333Jun 25, 2010
iPhone, for people who want a phone but don't want to talk to people.
jrhodes88Jun 24, 2010
Making phone calls is at the bottom of the list for iPhone 4 features
rpgmakrJun 25, 2010
Well, uhm, duh?
scottrtlJun 25, 2010
And it has the retina display with free yellow! Its a feature really...
Closed AccountJun 24, 2010
Revolutionary front camera? In 10 years of video calling available in Europe and Japan over 3G, I have not made one single video call. The only time someone I knew bothered to make a video call is to show someone else how video calling works. FaceTime is crapware nobody needs except deaf and mute who use it with sign language. It's also iPhone to iPhone.
blapierreJun 25, 2010
Obviously you are fluent in sarcasm.
Closed AccountJun 25, 2010
Dugg for good points, but you missed the sarcasm.
Closed AccountJun 28, 2010
Does anyone actually know a deaf person that has a cell phone?
Closed AccountJun 28, 2010
slipdisc2 Not in this country, except for those that use TTY, but in Japan, hell yeah due to video phones. You can stream HD video, pay at vending machines by using it as a credit card. It's very advanced over there.
utnowJun 28, 2010
I really wish I could get a full listing of every time I've seen the "FRONT FACING VIDEO CAMERA FOR VIDEO CHAT! WHY ISN'T THIS A FEATURE ALREADY????" comment on Digg or Reddit.... I mean... I agree with you.... but I'm feeling the vibe of people who can't be happy no matter what you do.
With that said... I've already made ample use of the front-facing camera for group photos with friends and such. It's pretty handy.
kdx200riderJun 25, 2010
Owning the latest Apple product has nothing to do with functionality or reliability. It is all about looking cool and trendy.
elranzerJun 25, 2010
iPhones are meant to be seen and not heard.
rpgmakrJun 25, 2010
FTA: "While it is definitely true that interference is an unavoidable problem, we can't help feeling like this is really a bit of bad design."
Wow, really? No f**king s**t. Thanks to people like the guys at engadget Apple can still get away with this dismissive jerk behavior.
propheticevilJun 25, 2010
Didn't the Nexus One had 3G issues when holding the bottom of it as well? Must be a tribute.
nretampJun 25, 2010
My 3G drops calls everyday without the metal edges... Might as well upgrade to drop calls with a pretty screen.
black27696Jun 25, 2010
I was going to be upset but...well... it IS quite slim. And shiny, don't forget shiny.
buckygradJun 25, 2010
iPhone 4 - Now with 50% less phone!
jaschenJun 25, 2010
Can't blame AT&T for this one
klxz79Jun 24, 2010
If this is happening on all or a majority of iPhone 4s then I'd say this defect is worse than the Xbox 360 RRoD. This is a new low in stupid design and quality control...
elranzerJun 24, 2010
Apple is the new Microsoft. They've caught up to Xbox 360-era Microsoft... right after passing anti-trust era Microsoft.
yugiohdan6Jul 2, 2010
what are you talking about?
http://blogs.computerworld.com/16039/apple_faces_an_anti_trust_suit_is_there_an_app_for_that?
The New York Post reports that the feds are about to launch an investigation into whether Appple is violating anti-trust laws over banning non-Apple tools for developing for the iPhone.
aquapeteJun 24, 2010
thats what they get for putting a 3gs case on the phone during testing.
jrhodes88Jun 24, 2010
This is my favorite comment. Thanks.
jamaphJun 25, 2010
I dugg both of you, because I really felt this warranted an
"Atta boy" type, way to go, good comment, thingy
aquapeteJun 25, 2010
i just wanted to thank you all for taking the time to both digg and comment.
robdazombaJun 25, 2010
The RRoD was a crash and subsequent inability to start the XBox. This is a dropped call.
Overeact much? I swear to God, it's like Digg is populated by teenage girls who react to everything with more emotion than logic.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
pilot3033Jun 25, 2010
[fineprint]calls only dropped if you hold the phone a specific way in your left hand and you're sweaty, results may vary, not all users are able to activate "drop call mode," may require practice to master[/fineprint]Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
robdazombaJun 25, 2010
@Khast
Thanks for a level-headed response.
I agree they are comparable in being engineering design failures/flaws, however, I disagree with the original poster's reaction as if these were comparable in severity. With one flaw, we have a unit that is dead and requires maintenance and down time. With the other, we have a reduced signal that may not even affect the ongoing call.
Here's a more rational look at the problem than most Digg users would care to read:
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2365658,00.asp
"This doesn't have any effect on connecting voice calls in areas with a strong signal, but it can make the difference between connecting and not if you're already in a fringe signal area."Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
tnoyJun 25, 2010
Apple has been in this situation for a while now. The only difference is that Apple's userbase has expanded beyond the fanatics that choose to ignore the problems.
rockytop9808Jun 25, 2010
What most people view as problems in Apple's products, their userbase views as "revolutionary features".
senturionJun 25, 2010
It's never too early to jump to conclusions and blow things out of proportion based on little evidence is it?
Device out for 5 years vs. device out for 1 day, what a shocking parallel!
hongkongjapieJun 25, 2010
*laugh*
So hardware failure == an occasional dropped call for some. First, the question is, how real is the issue. Reporting a problem with Apple's ace product gives lots of visitors, lots of ad money and engadget hasn't really got much journalistic ethics. Secondly, if this is a problem for some, there are easy solutions like the rubber thing you can put around it and probably some laque/nail polish would do the trick if you don't want the rubber. Or just don't buy an iphone.
drcrankJun 25, 2010
Maybe they should have gotten HTC to make the iPhone 4. They make good products...
tenoqJun 25, 2010
The battery life on the iPhone is short enough as it is, thanks. Don't let HTC give us one that only lasts 4 hours (Diamond, anyone?)
burningtoastersJun 25, 2010
Well I've had my Eris for over 7 months now, no problems at all. Just a hairline crack at the top of the screen from dropping it on a concrete block. One user's experience =/= the quality overall. And last I checked, we haven't seen any "EVO devices bezel antenna actually dropping calls!" headlines on Digg. Not that every device doesn't have it's problems, of course.
But the battery life thing is legitimate, I don't know why Tenoq is getting dugg down. My eris can barely survive the day with 3G on. I've heard similar stories about the EVO.
stillhateyouJun 25, 2010
The only difference is all of 360 fanboys defended Microsoft for their misstep.
jugglingjonJun 25, 2010
I can send my Xbox 360 with defects back for repairs, free of charge. Apple on the other hand, is telling users experiencing this to 'just stop holding it that way'. There's a big difference in philosophy there, one worth supporting and one not.
jamaphJun 25, 2010
Wow, guy above me... Way to confirm EXACTLY what this guy was posting about.
darkstar3333Jun 25, 2010
Um not hes not, its a reasonable way to handle the complaints. Microsoft stepped up to the plate, and paid for everything to lesson the burden on the customer.
Free priority shipping, repair and delivery for 3 years for all consoles. Sony did the same but to a lesser extend for there YLOD issue.
If they handled it the Apple way they would have just said, "f**k you buy a new console".
killypJun 25, 2010
My 3GS has just started showing exactly the same symptom since I upgraded to iOS4, so I'd guess it's a software issue, not a hardware issue, unlike the XBox 360 overheating issues...Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
adriaaanJun 25, 2010
It's not. The issue is that holding the phone in a certain way bridges the wifi and GSM antennas, creating a lot of interference for both interfaces. It is a hardware issue, Apple should give every purchaser of an iPhone 4 a complimentary bumper case for their f**kup.
yugiohdan6Jul 2, 2010
I think that Apple should replace the defective iPhone 4's with the next revision that doesn't exhibit this problem.
mabakerbrakerJun 25, 2010
Google is the new Skynet. Ever heard of the fanboiis phones losing their apps magically? Yepp, it’s Google at its finest.
moduspwnensJun 25, 2010
Wait, so you can fix the RRoD by holding the XBox differently? Or getting a case (like everyone does anyway)?! This is great news!
Yes, it's bad, but let's try and keep it in perspective.
and101Jun 25, 2010
You can sometimes fix the RRoD by putting the xbox motherboard in an oven for a short time to reseat the bga chips.
Probably won't work for the iPhone but if anyone wants to try it and post the results on YouTube.
mabakerbrakerJun 24, 2010
"P.P.S. Since some of you are asking, our review unit showed none of these issues.”
Love how ppl blow it always out of proportion.
zunipusJun 25, 2010
Why anyone is digging down mabakerbraker's comment is beyond me comprehension.
The fact that the problem is NOT in the review phones is EXCELLENT news. This means that the problem may be (A) Only in a certain run of the product |OR| (B) May be easily repairable |OR| (C) May only require a software patch.
So YES: This is NOT a universal problem and YES: The problem is already being blown out of proportion. Enjoy the trolling while you can! Then get bent.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
nishanthkJun 25, 2010
If you read the article and knew what you were talking about. It is (A) a problem with antennae design same for all phones, (B) Not repairable, otherwise Steve would've said so, and (C) can't be fixed with a patch because its a hardware problem.
The reason testing and review probably didnt show it is because they probably held it with their fingertips on the outside to show it to a video camera, in which case they didnt cover up the lower left corner.
So YES: This IS a universal problem and YES it is being blown out of proportion, yet its still a big problem.
and101Jun 24, 2010
Perhaps Apple should spend more time with their engineers and less with their magicians.
kkm3Jun 25, 2010
You don't need "Engineering" to solve this. Just put a plastic coat on the damn metal antennae part.
swellinJun 25, 2010
Why the f**k should I have to pay $30 for a case so my phone can make calls? That is complete and utter bull s**t, these phones are defective, they should be recalled, or the $30 case should come with every single one of them and be free of charge.
utnowJun 28, 2010
I'm a self-proclaimed apple fanboy and tech-slut and I really have to agree with this. It's not a simple matter of "holding it the wrong way." I accidentally cover that corner several times a day during normal use. Bare minimum the bumper should be free. But ideally there should be some sort of recall. Plain and simple, this is a big error that needs an Apple solution.
kkm3Jun 25, 2010
I meant for apple on their future phones.
mabakerbrakerJun 25, 2010
Perhaps Google should be scrutinized more for deleting apps REMOTELY from its drone’s phones? Every wondered that?
Closed AccountJun 25, 2010
DEFLECTOR SHIELDS OOOONNNN!!!
mcspoonsterJun 25, 2010
You win. Best.....comment......ever!!!
orbital318Jun 24, 2010
I just played with 2 of my coworkers Phones. I work in Times Square. I cupped the entire metal edge on both and guess what... nothing happened. I bet its a manufacturing defect. If it is apple should replace the affected phones ASAP!
zephikJun 24, 2010
I think there testing team, as short lived as it is, would probably notice this giant glaring f**k-up. So let's hope it's not a widespread problem.
Not that I care. I can't even afford the damn thing. Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
barrettandersonJun 25, 2010
It isn't a manufacturing defect. It's a design defect. There are some variables that can affect whether or not it happens (mostly if you are doing it right and how dry your hands are). Chances are you either weren't doing it correctly, long enough, or your hands don't conduct very well.
petebob796Jun 25, 2010
I would think you need sweaty palms to create a small electrical connection between the two different antenna. There probably should have been a bigger gap between the two.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
zmail21Jun 25, 2010
It's takes about a minute of holding both sides. It's not a instant signal drop
mediamonkJun 25, 2010
If it was a manufacturing defect that affected only some phones, then indeed apple should replace it. However, steve jobs told us not to hold in like that, so it's a feature.
elranzerJun 24, 2010
So the edges and lines not only make the phone ugly but it also hinders calls?
So how is the iP{hone 4 an improvement over the 3GS?
Oh wait... Retina Display!!! derp derp derpComment is buried, click here to see the rest.
zephikJun 24, 2010
1GHz processor, wireless-n, front-facing camera, thinner design so when you add a third party case you don't look like a fanboy when its in your pocket, and yea the retina display.
It's still technically an upgrade. It's just that... the phone has become basically useless because you can't hold the damn thing. Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
lordpookdaiJun 25, 2010
the processor is most definitely not clocked at 1ghz as the ipad has the same A4 clocked at 1ghz.
zmail21Jun 25, 2010
I must say the display is gorgeous but this antenna problem is horrible
zephikJun 24, 2010
Those rubber bumper things are supposed to have the added bonus of fixing this issue.
...wait...
Those clever bastards...
orbital318Jun 24, 2010
yea $700 is a tad steep for me as well unless i can unload my 3gs for $350 or more :P
hardataqJun 25, 2010
I sold my 2 year old 3G for 275 on eBay a week ago. I would imagine you could get close to 350 for a 3GS.
djaybeJun 24, 2010
is the authors name Seriously "Dick Lai"? wow, this too much today!
aquapeteJun 24, 2010
so happy i decided to wait for the white one.
jrhodes88Jun 24, 2010
The design is pretty amazing, but they should have thought about your hand possibly "bridging" the connection between the two antennas.
blapierreJun 25, 2010
Amazingly stupid?
ryalutJun 24, 2010
Here is a cheap, easy, non-permanent fix for this issue.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4n3J3_XCkX8
jsmithersJun 24, 2010
WHEN I DO A STRAIGHT, OBJECTIVE COMPARISON between a Nokia smartphone and an iPhone 4, the following obvious things come to mind:
iPhones cost more, but have less features, more poorly implemented, poor signal strength, can't multitask, poor battery life, poor build quality (scratches on new iPhone 4's already), STILL can't multitask (if ioS multitasks then I'm a monkey's uncle)
iPhones have more apps and a slightly easier to use (but far more limited) UI. That's it. NOT worth spending my money on.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
ljseinfeldJun 25, 2010
You are so clueless, it's almost criminal.
digitalpencilJun 25, 2010
jsmithers: spamming digg with 100% pro-Nokia comments since he's had an account.
for real though.. how much do they pay? my moral standards are pretty low, i could definitely do this..
javaroastJun 25, 2010
Low moral standards come through every time. Hilarious comment, thanks for the chuckle
tdogg241Jun 25, 2010
I hate when that magical slit down below gets blocked!!!
krinkovJun 25, 2010
dammit Im always 5 minutes too late :(
ronintetsuroJun 25, 2010
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themagicfetusJun 25, 2010
Look at the way it drops calls. Its like magic!
mogebierJun 25, 2010
Don't you mean "It's Like Christmas?"
As in PRESENTS...
Or do you have some eating Turkey fetish?
dspencer3491Jun 25, 2010
Has NOTHING to do with the phone. It's the OS, clearly a bug. You guys are so retarded
kdx200riderJun 25, 2010
Could you elaborate on your OS bug theory?
Before you refer to anyone as "retarded" you may want to offer at least one good point.
zmail21Jun 25, 2010
If it's a software bug then why did apple tell people not to hold it a certain way and get a case.
Closed AccountJun 25, 2010
So basically in this situation, even Verizon wouldn't have been able to save Apple's cellular situation either.
kdx200riderJun 25, 2010
PC Guy on humdrum cellphone: Hi Apple guy how do you like your new iPhone 4?
MAC Guy on new iPhone 4: Hello....Hello....damn another dropped call.
PC Guy on humdrum cellphone: Yesssss!!!!Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
sergeantawesomeJun 25, 2010
I'm a PC guy, but that was just f**king lame man.
ahfmakJun 25, 2010
Just hold the phone like L, problem solved.
spacem00seJun 25, 2010
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!
postalblowfish7Jun 25, 2010
and apple users are the arrogant assh**es?
l800lemmingsJun 25, 2010
Also the PR people should take it down a notch on the exaggerated claims & denying fallibility.
Apple saying don't hold your phone in you're left hand to left handed people has audacity
Saying don't worry about the yellow blotches on your screen
Claiming the screen is near indestructible helicopter glass but can crack after a foot drop
I love my iphone 3g & the iphone 4 is a major advancement in a plethora of different ways. & for a company that's been touted #1 in customer service this is an embarrassment to be a customer of apple through their denial, their politics, & it feels like they left a lot of their customers high & dry.
Also the distribution was a nightmare I preordered my phone on day one. The AT&T i ordered from never got any till 3:00 PM & none of the 32 GB Black i ordered.
This is purposeful as Apple stores had a ton & some customers received theirs via mail days prior. & next apple PR event apple will brag about the high demand that they (purposefully) could not meet & they couldn't see this coming
zmail21Jun 25, 2010
Apple dropped the ball big time. They are getting a little too comfortable with their position in the market. Steve jobs answered a email and told the loyal apple customer to "not hold it that way" unacceptable steve!
tommyrJun 25, 2010
If this is a problem Apple WILL fix it.
Mark my words.
udjetJun 25, 2010
This is just a new "feature" that gives them a reason for a minor update next year.
Closed AccountJun 25, 2010
1. Make flawed Product
2. Make users think its their fault
3. Make users buy accessory to fix said flaw.
4. Profit! (or huge lawsuit/recall)
serif69Jun 25, 2010
This isn't isolated to the iPhone 4 at all. In fact, it's happened to just about every phone I've ever owned. If you touch the antenna, the service deteriorates. It happened with my Omnipoint cheapo phone, Verizon flip phones, LG Chocolate (DON'T JUDGE), original iPhone, and currently my iPhone 3GS. It was especially bad with the original iPhone as I tend to place my pointer finger on the back of the phone, and that's right where the antenna was on that.
Talking specifically about the 3GS (since I have it on my person), it simply isn't comfortable holding it to my left ear in my left hand while touching the lower left, where this problem is on the iPhone 4. Occasionally, though, if I'm on hold or something, I'll adjust my grip and the service will degrade. I honestly think this is getting blown out of proportion because someone prone to bitch about things noticed a flaw. As I said, it's happened to me with pretty much every phone I've owned. I guarantee this happens to some people even on the cool-as-s**t HTC EVO. It also happens with my radio, happened with my old TV, and will happen with every metal antenna known to mankind.
dspencer3491Jun 25, 2010
Watch out - the fandroids are everywhere!
nimda11Jun 25, 2010
To anyone defending Apple on this;
You are a very very sad person
shufanJun 25, 2010
This changes everything. Again.
jedi0utkastJun 25, 2010
If you hold it like that you blew it.
-Steve Jobs.
sent from my iphone
dojocasinoJun 25, 2010
It's weird. I used to work in a mobile phone store, and the manual for pretty much every phone we sold said to avoid touching the antenna with your hand. Now Apple have released a phone where touching the antenna with your hand is pretty much unavoidable.
noipv4Jun 25, 2010
Check this paper on Wireless 101. Pages 4,5.
http://www.cs.ucr.edu/~amitra/pubs/c12.pdf
Human Body Test
Effect of human body is prominent at
the transmitter as well as the
receiver.
the RSSI drops from 1.9V to 1.6V and introduces errors.
"Wonder what the apple R&D engineers were thinking. "
docholiday22Jun 25, 2010
"Apple has suggested that users need to change the position of which you hold the phone, or buy a case which covers this part of the area – great.
Steve Jobs himself replied back to a user’s email about the problems, by saying that he should ‘avoid holding the phone in that way’. Here is Apple’s official fix to the problem:
”If you ever experience this on your iPhone 4, avoid gripping it in the lower left corner in a way that covers both sides of the black strip in the metal band, or simply use one of many available cases.”
http://www.product-reviews.net/2010/06/25/iphone-4-reception-problems-apples-guide-to-fix/
iforgotaboutitJun 25, 2010
I'm not even understanding how this got past alpha testing. Did an Apple engineer not hold the phone in a normal position in their hand?
eschompthisJun 25, 2010
Calm down everybody its been out for less than 24 f**king hours!!
zelgadissJun 25, 2010
and there are already so many reported problems.
danielphermousJun 25, 2010
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proudmattJun 25, 2010
Would it be wrong of me to say it serves you right for blindly buying such an expensive bit of hardware?
rvikulJun 25, 2010
Someone write a vuvuzela app that automatically launches when I touch the phone thereBzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
mclupusJun 25, 2010
Looks like I was overly generous... http://store.apple.com/uk/browse/home/shop_iphone/iphone_accessories/cases?mco=MTc1NjgzNzE - £24.95 (GBP)
udahlenJun 25, 2010
You Americans have too sweaty hands. Perhaps you are ashamed for your conduct in the world.
jekinsJun 25, 2010
I'm an American, so I'm sorry for my conduct in the world; it's just shameful what I do, isn't it? Oh, wait... what do I do again?
noizeukJun 25, 2010
I didn't know Apple made a left handed phone, they think of everything!!
scraperbikezJun 25, 2010
No wonder that dude left it in the bar, he probably got fed up with it while drunk.
saswannabe17Jun 25, 2010
f**king shock value alarmists. The reception is stellar and this effect ONLY occurs when you consciously attempt smother the entire bezel. If you cup your phone with both hands like it's the one ring or have Shaq size hands, this could possibly be an issue for you.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
djpray2kJun 25, 2010
Everyone....to the LEFTORIUM now!
I'm gonna get me a left handed corkscrew too!
protodonJun 25, 2010
imho, the iPhone 4 is in direct competition with the HTC Evo and Droid X. This problem and the 'fix' definitely aren't going to help Apple keep their place in the smartphone market.
Closed AccountJun 25, 2010
"keep their place in the smartphone market"
A little comment just to put things in perspective : HTC Evo sold 60000 units within a week, witch is quite a large number for a smart phone.
The iPhone got 600,000 preorders the first day! And ATT got 13m upgrade inquiry that same day. And only in the US. Don't forget that they have 75% of the market in Japan.
So don't worry about Apple keeping their place in the smartphone market. They are doing just fine.
legacy23xJun 25, 2010
It's Apple, so it's ok.
/s
invictus125Jun 25, 2010
AT&T was doing a pretty good job of dropping calls without Apple's help. Jeez, Steve, talk about overkill...
jimv1983Jun 25, 2010
I'm on AT&T in the SF Bay Area and I get maybe 1 dropped call a month.
venjanceJun 25, 2010
I smell BS and .or isolated incident. I sat there for 4 hours asking all who tested and used their phones outside of Apple and no issues...my phone for 2 days does not have this issue.
ah well
ejpusaJun 25, 2010
The new iPhone is like the mot beautiful piece of technology I have ever seen in my lifetime of collecting gadgets. I am so floored with it, I don't even need to make call, takes videos, or DL apps. I'm just staring at it. Just staring at it. Crazy I know, kind of like a Playboy centerfold. Do you really care that she's a photo?
I thought it would be good, but not this good. It's really an astonishing piece of technology, and FAST. OMG! Beyond my expectations. It's a phone? Yipes!
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eclsnowmanJun 25, 2010
Droid Doesn't.... Sorry had to do it,