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superman101Nov 11, 2010
5 times better on the V8 benchmark is crazy!
moducNov 11, 2010
Unfortunately, it's still much slower than Chromium.
Just tested them. Basically, I open a craigslist's car page with Craigslist Fusion plugin installed on both. The Chromium uses the user script version. But identical code.
Then I use the mouse to bring up and down the scroll bar on the right side. The scrollbar lags the mouse initially on both browser. However, as all the images are uploaded, the Chromium version keep up with the fast moving mouse, while the Firefox 4.0 version couldn't keep up.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
moducNov 11, 2010
I think I may have flopped a little bit here. I tried the Chromium again and it does lag a bit too.
addiktionNov 11, 2010
I'll believe it when I see it. Although it might score much higher then itself that still doesn't translate into being better than chrome or safari. With that said, I've been rooting for Firefox to get back into the speed game because its just so awfully slow compared to Chrome and Safari.
ultramagnus0001Nov 12, 2010
Definitely faster than Safari.
linds0ramaNov 12, 2010
I can't believe there's even an argument here? Safari sucks ass.
cawpinNov 12, 2010
Safari is f**king horrible.
addiktionNov 11, 2010
Ok I gave it a shot from the link. It certainly is faster than older versions of Firefox. But the latest chrome still dominates it. Now speed isn't my only concern in a browser but its a good start. I'll be sticking with chrome for primary browsing and firefox for designing and coding.
addiktionNov 11, 2010
Ok after testing out other sites it appears to be pretty damn fast. In some cases faster than chrome. Chrome still works best on gmail products. I obviously need to dive into it further and test it more. Glad to see Firefox catching up in speed!
slappybag9Nov 11, 2010
Jeesh, cant wait to get my hands on it
birch25Nov 11, 2010
You could get your hands on it right now :)
cristianbamNov 11, 2010
That's what she said.
Closed AccountNov 11, 2010
I just did, first comment posted from Firefox 4 Beta 7. So far everything I need to do seems to be working smoothly, speed wise I really don't care because the web sites I normally visit is not really speed bumps nor have I ever had any speed problems so for me, this point is more or less moot. However, it looks like it is rendering fonts somewhat better. I run 1920x1080 resolution and use Bitstream Vera fonts under Ubuntu 10.10.
On the ACID3 test it scored 96/100
Edit: The edit box here on Digg seems misplaced though!
lvaneedeNov 12, 2010
www.firefox.com/beta
richardcarlisleNov 12, 2010
You can, it's waiting for you at http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/beta/
luv2luvNov 11, 2010
I've felt like Chrome has been faster than Firefox lately (no evidence to back it up other than just what it seems like on my computer) but I'll have to start using Firefox again more because for me speed means so much
apoyNov 14, 2010
Well, I have to agree
cdurukNov 11, 2010
Glad to see FF being relevant again.
exploit67Nov 11, 2010
FF has always been the best.
enantiodromiaNov 11, 2010
lol
cdurukNov 11, 2010
I don't fully agree; as a Mac user, I never fully converted to Firefox and actually recently started using Chrome. The only reason I have Firefox installed on my machine is Firebug and doing cross browser testing.
Closed AccountNov 12, 2010
As an Ubuntu user I use Firefox exclusively as Chrome is so and so when it comes to the job I need to do. No problems so far with 4
lvaneedeNov 12, 2010
It might not be the fastest, but it has the best addons. Thats why I like it.
de1337erNov 12, 2010
Definitely. Firefox was the first to come out with significant addon support and it seems like it will continue to hold that title until Chrome is just as compatible with addon support as FF - but Chrome (by its programming architecture) never will be.
robinbalNov 11, 2010
I am looking for a browser where my site loads faster.
sabazouNov 11, 2010
I'm looking forward to this! I hate using Firefox as my main development browser because of how painfully slow it can be but the developer tools in Chrome/Safari just aren't as good IMO
superman101Nov 11, 2010
I agree, I have been using Firefox less and less for my primary browser. I think having Firefox and Chrome competing could FINALLY bring some innovation into this space.
JS speed improvements, while important, isn't innovation. Love to see browser wars happen again.
FrancisKNov 11, 2010
nyce stuff
bestatitNov 11, 2010
what a tease i went looking for it like it was downloadable now! can't wait!
rovr138Nov 11, 2010
you can download it...
http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/4.0b7/releasenotes/
thomasnewman1Nov 11, 2010
It won't download for me on a Windows XP machine running Firefox. Weird.
pranaysinghNov 11, 2010
IE9's got everyone on their feet... The windows rebound is here! Let's see how good these 2 browsers really are.
However, on market share - the rise of Chrome has predominantly been due to migration from Firefox and not from IE.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
starsky51Nov 11, 2010
I can't imagine Mozilla or Google see IE9 as much competition. They are mainly competing against each other.
If anything, Internet Explorer has realised it needs to get it's fat árse in shape to even be able to compete. Even if it matches the performance and standardisation of the other two, it still has a long way to go.
afinNov 12, 2010
IE is still the most uses browser
kj4wozNov 11, 2010
ie9? lol no.
fungie5Nov 11, 2010
@pranaysingh - That last statement is not true at all. You clearly haven't been looking at any browser usage data.
From StatCounter-
January 2010 Worldwide browser market share -
IE - 55.24%
FF - 31.65%
Chrome - 6.05%
October 2010 Worldwide browser market share -
IE - 49.21%
FF - 31.24%
Chrome - 12.39%
The data obviously shows that FF hasn't lost significant share at all, and that it's IE that is rapidly losing users to Chrome. In the last 10 months, IE lost 6% of global usage share and Chrome gained 6%. Next time, do some research first before posting.
pranaysinghNov 12, 2010
umm... researched data:
http://marketshare.hitslink.com/browser-market-share.aspx?qprid=1
Jan 2010:
IE: 62.12 FF: 24.43 GC: 5.22 Safari: 4.53
Oct 2010:
IE: 59.18 FF: 22.83 GC: 8.50 Safari: 5.36
Change:
IE: -2.94 FF: -1.60 GC: +3.28 Safari: +0.83
Now... its not just about numbers (i'll explain this later). The law here is when an organization has monopoly over a certain business, just like the king of the jungle, it seldom heeds to the competition that it faces - exactly what Microsoft has done. But when the competition gets potent enough - here as FF and GC combined, not to mention the overarching rivalry between Microsoft & Google - Microsoft is now flexing its muscles and the future now looks bright.
If you now look at the numbers above and map them to the PC purchase data, one will find that majority of the reduction from IE to Safari is due to migration from Windows to Linux (Micr to Appl). And ofcourse I don't dispute your point that IE has been losing share to GC - my point was FF needs to be more worried about GC than does IE. This is because for a new user, the most preferred browser is the pre-installed one (IE or Safari). For more evolved users like you and me, when we know the limitations of a browser, we switch to a better one. For example, I prefer the FF over IE and GC.
And the number of new users offsets the number of evolved ones by a substantial number. This is the underlying reason for the projected continued domination of IE - unless ofcourse Google launches its Chrome OS in the near future - only then would I consider it a considerable threat.
Analysis my friend is not about looking at numbers - that's called data replication. One needs to look at the underlying factors and patterns that have given the numbers its magnitude...
All I am now saying is - I know Microsoft has been evil (the inception, the mouse, endless list). But I cannot ignore how huge an influence it has had over the world. I think Microsoft has potential that needs to be tapped. I wish to give it a chance with the IE9, the Windows7 (PC & Smartphone). Just keep your options open and don't kill it just yet.
fungie5Nov 12, 2010
First of all, I don't recognize NetApplications data as being an accurate reflection of global market share. In the recent past, their data has proven to be more reflective of the North American region rather than the globe (eg. until recently, they were claiming that OSX had 10% of global market share, when sales data showed global usage of OSX had never surpassed 4%). And they only monitor data from 40,000 sites...while StatCounter monitors over 3,000,000 sites around the world.
You said this -
"If you now look at the numbers above and map them to the PC purchase data, one will find that majority of the reduction from IE to Safari is due to migration from Windows to Linux (Micr to Appl). And ofcourse I don't dispute your point that IE has been losing share to GC - my point was FF needs to be more worried about GC than does IE. This is because for a new user, the most preferred browser is the pre-installed one (IE or Safari). For more evolved users like you and me, when we know the limitations of a browser, we switch to a better one. For example, I prefer the FF over IE and GC."
Migration from Windows to Linux?? OSX is officially a version of Unix....Linux is classified as being a Unix-like OS. Unix is not Linux. You say FF needs to be more worried about migration to Chrome than IE does..and then you say that this is because IE benefits from preinstallation and user ignorance of the alternatives as new PC users enter the PC market. What you failed to realize is that those factors have been playing a role for years, yet migration away from IE has pretty much been constant the whole time. In other words, people around the globe are migrating away from IE faster than new, clueless users are buying their first PCs and sticking with the default option, IE. For instance, if you look at usage data from the African continent, you'll see that, like other places, Africans, who are among some of the newest PC users out there, are switching away from IE too. If you look at Asia, where most of the newest PC users actually come from these days, you'll see that the overall market is also migrating away from IE, even though new PC purchases are driving the adoption of IE8.
Then you said this -
"And the number of new users offsets the number of evolved ones by a substantial number. This is the underlying reason for the projected continued domination of IE - unless ofcourse Google launches its Chrome OS in the near future - only then would I consider it a considerable threat."
That's not at all accurate. You're oversimplifying this. The major reasons for IE's continued dominance on PCs over the years are -
1 - Many corporations still rely heavily on it
2 - China
You have to remember that browser usage data is a combination of corporate usage and consumer usage data. You're treating the data as if it represents consumer usage only. Secondly, you have to take China into account. China accounts for more than 20% of all Internet users around the globe and IE has held on to 90% of their market because that market is not migrating away from it like the rest of the world is. China represents a substantial reserve of IE users - probably accounting for nearly a third of all IE users on the planet. If Internet browsing habits there were to ever evolve away from IE dependence, IE's global market share would drop like a rock.
http://www.internetworldstats.com/stats3.htm#asia
The big problem with how you're analyzing the browser situation is that you're not taking into account the fact that traditional PCs will play a increasingly minor role in how people access the Internet in the future. The future is mobile access through a variety of form factors, with smartphones and tablets projected to dominate. And that's the biggest threat to IE and Microsoft's position as a major consumer brand out there. If you look at the Internet usage data and compare access via mobile devices vs access via PCs, you'll see that mobile device usage has been accelerating. In January 2009, mobile accounted for 0.65% of Internet traffic. At the start of 2010, mobile accounted for 1.5% of Internet traffic. In the last month, it accounted for 3.94% of all Internet traffic. If I were you, I wouldn't read too much into IE9's chances, because the traditional desktop PC market is about to become less relevant to the average consumer in the coming years.
absaysthisNov 11, 2010
Firefox is getting day by day... Cant wait for it..
nascenttNov 11, 2010
You accidentally the whole better.
ultramagnus0001Nov 12, 2010
f**k, I spent a couple of seconds trying to figure your comments.
florantevaldezNov 11, 2010
Finally, this is surely a much awaited improvement. And I hope it's not all buzz but real speed (sorry for the skepticism)
chakatNov 11, 2010
It is. Been running the nightlies for the past six months here. The work in 4.0 is bringing a lot of speed to the table.
fungie5Nov 11, 2010
It's not simply buzz, it's the real deal. I just started testing it today and I can confirm that FF 4b7 matches the latest stable Chrome 7 in javascript performance on the Sunspider benchmark. And it's even loading some pages faster than Chrome 7. So yeah, it's that fast now.
paulsmith288Nov 11, 2010
lets hope it is crash free
(not a comment on firefox 3 stability)
icon1985Nov 11, 2010
it is beta. So far I never had a crash since I installed it 8hrs ago.
lvaneedeNov 12, 2010
Beta 7 hasnt crashed for me at all
roy5000x2Nov 11, 2010
Panorama is awesome. And being able to sync bookmarks, passwords, and even tabs across computers is a life saver. Firefox 4 helped me manage my work flow when writing research papers, which made the process so much easier. The only downside is stability, but hey, its a beta.
ultramagnus0001Nov 12, 2010
Chrome does that through your Google account.
audiomindNov 11, 2010
Let's hope it crashes less too.
cindygNov 11, 2010
Let's hope it stops using so many resources at the same time!
max1001Nov 11, 2010
Trying it out now and It's pretty damn laggy and I am using a SSD.
moducNov 11, 2010
I run the old version in virtual machine and it's not laggy. Try to run it in another machine to see how it goes. I think your machine is bugged.
DrUmairAliNov 11, 2010
awesome update....much improved.....
rickthebrickNov 11, 2010
The main thing I do not like about firefox is the long loading time. When I click on it I see nothing happening for over 10 seconds. I keep wondering if I click on it at all. I put firefox in my start up directory but with all the updates for add on I often come back to a screen asking me if I want to update this or that so I again must wait enough time that it seems to me that I have a commodore 64 again. Even now the computer can not keep up with my typing and I am not a speed typist at all.
icon1985Nov 11, 2010
I am running FF with 19 popular add-ons. It very rarely (probably around once per month) asks me to update during startup. My computer is old (from 2007) and the speed beta 7 is very comparable to chrome.
ZeTsUbOuBi11yNov 11, 2010
haha hard to believe it will be better than Chrome. Chrome all the way! XD
macwisdom781Nov 11, 2010
Like to check FF4 out!
xprojectNov 11, 2010
firefox is bloatware
theiinliveNov 11, 2010
Dude, Chrome is instant. I've tried the new Firefox beta, and I like it. But what does 5x faster really mean? I'm willing to stick with Chrome, even if it means it's .0003 milliseconds slower. I never run into "speed issues" with Chrome so...I'll stick with it..Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
kj4wozNov 11, 2010
cool story bro
momsshizzleNov 11, 2010
Will FF 4 finally catch up in terms of speed to Chrome? I stopped using FF because it takes long to start up and is not as snappy as Chrome.
sixthreeNov 11, 2010
These speed updates are complete garbage. Loading a webpage is 95% dependent on the connection, not the browser.
phatbyteNov 11, 2010
Have you ever heard of image rendering or js interpreter ?
sixthreeNov 11, 2010
Have you heard of unnoticeable speed increases (if any)? Optimize all you want, there is no discernible difference between 1.05s and 1.04s.
Closed AccountNov 11, 2010
Won't use firefox until they fix the ugly subpixel text rendering/anti aliasing.
"But that's how text is supposed to look!"
I don't care, it still looks like s**t. Text in chrome looks perfect with zero tweaks.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
Closed AccountNov 11, 2010
I mean firefox 4; previous versions never had the problem.
/stupid new 1.5 min editing rule
sepelesterNov 11, 2010
The bars in the charts are the same height, but two of them show 3x improvement and the last one 5x improvement. Marketing.....
BozNov 11, 2010
Speed has been an issue for a long time, but the memory leaks are un-freaking-forgivable. Just try leaving FF with 5 or 6 tabs open over night. Sheesh!