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richardomonglerDec 30, 2010
Nice.
Don't they know that lots of businesses use VOIP?
babakshiraziJan 1, 2011
f**k China.
Closed AccountDec 30, 2010
After blocking Google,Facebook,Twitter,Youtube and now Skype its time for China to stop using Internet and to start living in dark ages.
vitobottaDec 31, 2010
LOL, they would save time at least
logodexignDec 31, 2010
Nopes. the matter is that they just don't rely on others, they say if others can do this why we can't. and i hope they have shown to the world that they can do it.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
booshtukkaDec 31, 2010
I have no idea what you just said. Are you trying to sell me something for my penis?
randomhugsDec 31, 2010
What he's trying to say is that instead of improving their own version of something to compete with the imported competition. It's much easier to cast them out and be the only option. It's much easier to control/censor China grown software too.
squirrel83Jan 1, 2011
They can block what they want.
angrycat70Dec 30, 2010
I find it disturbing that China is isolating herself. Nothing good can come from it.
grammerpantsDec 30, 2010
What do you care? Shut up and keep buying cheap consumer electronics.
kangarupeDec 30, 2010
lol, that's great.
user500Dec 31, 2010
to bad they wont cutoff exports.
dailycrowDec 31, 2010
cheap goods for American to buy.
if the people know more our goods will cost more.
breadfredJan 2, 2011
ah well, you are probably not aware there are other countries quite willing to take their place--- think African Continent. Loads of people wanting to work for next to nothing.
No, China will NOT be the last low-cost producer of goods - although we will quickly run out of countries who will deliver man-hours for next to nothing. But it will at least yours and mine lifetime. Unfortunately.
addiktionDec 31, 2010
Well maybe one day she will open up and allow us to make those Nike's instead.
neosporinDec 31, 2010
Herself? China is a boy. Girls can hardly drive cars, how do you expect them to be countries?!?
breadfredJan 2, 2011
China is a girl. She is getting f**ked over by her own government.
fishbone10Dec 30, 2010
retarded
dusanmalDec 30, 2010
What is most disturbing is that current FCC "NetNeutrality" proposal contains open undefined controls that any (present or future) administration unelected appointee can define/interpret in such a way as to ban Skype in US as well. Or implement ANY of existing Chinese Govt. controls on both Internet communication and devices used to access it. Any Govt. must be prevented from regulating Internet or this type of meddling will be in our own future.
keltickalDec 31, 2010
Homeland Security is already sharpening its fascist knives to shut Skype down given their inability to wiretap it.
Tiocfaidh ár lá
blydchyldDec 31, 2010
Oh and by the way, it wont ever come, however a warm British hello and welcome back is planned for you all.
thelegaceDec 31, 2010
What your saying is kind of stupid, vague and unclear. First of all what does regulating mean? The tier system, what about the regulated monopoly these companies are allowed to have? Do you mean that as well. The problem with our system is that we either need to regulate net neutrality and leave the system the way it is, or we just let everything be unregulated. Meaning no monopoly and companies are allowed to do whatever they want.
Although the proposed FCC proposal may be a flawed and easily overturned, doesn't mean its not a step in the right direction. So far all media and internet companies are consolidating, and we are loosing even more competition (Comcast and NBC merger). Do you honestly think the way the system is going leaving important issues like that unattended will give us positive results as a consumer, I mean so far its been great, with the whole throttling, bandwidth caps, s**tty service and speed, wiretapping, and now a tiered service which the telcos are already jumping the gun for. This is a concern because the telco companies are already planning the tier system. I mean who f**k comes up with an idea like that without having intention to profit from it?
Don't get me wrong, I would love if government stepped away from it, but they have already shot themselves in the foot by giving telcos this much power. And so far FCC has done nothing bad, if any other douchebag government official favors the telcos then its that douchebags' fault, not big bad gu'ment or FCC.
/end rant
davecanadaDec 31, 2010
Where?
http://www.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2010/db1223/FCC-10-201A1.pdf
I can't find this controls that you're talking about...
Closed AccountDec 30, 2010
Those commie bastards!!
rujtuDec 30, 2010
So what? This is China. Are people surprised that they want to force their massive consumer population into using Chinese services? They would be stupid if they didn't. It's not like the U.S. is going to start setting up sanctions or anything. China will continue to suck money out of the west, limit freedoms on its populace, and not give half a f**k, because there's nothing anyone is going to do about it.
breadfredDec 30, 2010
This is not about competition. This is about control. As they cannot listen in to Skype calls, they feel threatened. Don't forget that China is still a dictatorial state with a very bad track record of imprisonment of people withe 'wrong' ideas.
rujtuDec 30, 2010
I can see why you would get the impression that that's what I was getting at in my post, but I think this is about competition AND control. The less competition, the less choice. The less choice, the more control without looking quite so evil.
user500Dec 31, 2010
and that differs from the US how?
hipmanDec 31, 2010
I know you're just being a smartass but come on.
amaoicanDec 30, 2010
This is what bothers me.. this kind of protectionism that China is practicing with regards to their internet companies. No YouTube, but YouKu is fine. No FaceBook but RenRen is okay. Google almost got tossed out, but Baidu is the pride of China. Yeah, it is a little difficult to compete and reduce our trade deficit when you ban and copy our most successful products (internet services, software, movies, etc.)
breadfredDec 30, 2010
Good points - what should we do about it?
amaoicanDec 30, 2010
We should work doubly hard to make products and services, online and offline, that are so good and so universally acknowledged as being good that the Chinese citizens will not stand for the Chinese government blocking it.
A tall order, make no mistake. But fighting fire with fire will just cause a bigger fire.
rujtuDec 31, 2010
In the digital world this is almost impossible. It's not difficult to copy a website, or software in general. More importantly, If Chinese citizens aren't exposed to fully functional original versions of these sites, what motivation do they have to seek them out?
I don't think there's a point in fighting fire with fire here. China has basically created a world within itself with a heavily guarded one-way door. The world needs China more than China needs the world. Well, as long as things are relatively stable. The Chinese government can do whatever it wants to its citizens, and there's nothing anyone can do about it.
amaoicanDec 31, 2010
Google won. Facebook and YouTube won small victories (the government still blocks them but the citizens who want to go around the restriction know how to). If you make a compelling product, people will knock down great walls to consume it.
miklkitDec 30, 2010
Raise the tariffs on cheap Chinese imports to cover the cost of cleaning up after the mess they leave, like dead cats and dogs, lead poisoned children, and polluted food.
amaoicanDec 30, 2010
Almost no economists think tariffs are a good idea. No matter how good your argument for putting a tariff on someone else's goods, they can just turn around and put a tariff on your goods right back - and they don't even need a reason. "Because we make the laws here" is all the reason they need.
Thus we are left to turn the other cheek...
user500Dec 31, 2010
I think economists are a bad idea all talk and no action. There accountable like the weatherman.
TheJerbearDec 31, 2010
When the country you're trying to export to is blocking imports from you, and creating cheap knockoffs of the product you're trying to sell them... how would them applying tariffs be relevant? At all?
I think the bigger concern is that China would start calling in our debts.
amaoicanDec 31, 2010
@TheJerbear
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090223200359AAbN2A6
TheJerbearJan 2, 2011
Thanks for your reply, I'm not much of an economist. I just know they have an awful lot of debt to swing around as a weapon. :-)
vitobottaDec 31, 2010
Do they already have something similar to Skype in China?
danconiaDec 31, 2010
And for the record the U.S. does the same thing with several domestic industries.
(Not saying you didn't already know this though)
amaoicanDec 31, 2010
I suppose we do - corn for example.
nickynidzDec 30, 2010
Unbelievable. This is world's next superpower and one of the most censored countries in the making. Hard to digest.
tompoDec 30, 2010
Does China prepare own Scype?
TheJerbearDec 31, 2010
They're not trying to buy Skype, they're trying to end it.
amaoicanJan 2, 2011
Scype != Skype
He's saying China's going to prepare and release a service callde "Scype" that will be very similar to Skype. This is a pretty common practice in China - making products that are similar to international products and named in such a way to indicate the similarity.
When I was in China, there was a KFC, and next door there was another store with an initialism for a name. I forget the letters. But they also had a menu fairly similar to KFC - chicken, chicken wings, chicken nuggets, chicken sandwiches, etc. Oh - and it was slightly cheaper.
TheJerbearJan 2, 2011
Thanks for the insight. :-)
woollymittensDec 30, 2010
So much for teleconferencing with your outsourcing drones.
zachary0611Dec 30, 2010
What are they scared of?
hawkmoon78Dec 30, 2010
They probably have no way to properly monitor the communications.
hawkmoon78Dec 30, 2010
Why is it that the general population of the US has an opinion of China that is inconsistant with our trade policies?
BTW: I ordered something from a supplier in Hong Kong recently who shipped out of China. The product arrived at 20% the local cost. I was surprised to find out that the manufacturer of the product was a US based company who sold the same thing in the US at 5 times the cost. Imagine, the first thing I buy that is made in the USA in who knows how long, was shipped to me from China.
breadfredDec 30, 2010
Hong Kong is not your regular China.
Also, at least you have the opportunity to buy it from where you want. Try that in China.
miklkitDec 30, 2010
I bet you are talking about meds. My wife does that all the time. You can thank big pharma and the republicons for that one. They forced Medicare to pay whatever price the drug companies choose to charge. There is a huge difference when buying overseas.
vitobottaDec 31, 2010
Are you sure the item you bought from China wasn't a cheaper, well done copy?
hawkmoon78Dec 31, 2010
Good point. It may be possible that the parts were somehow a lesser grade, but they were still manufactured in NJ, from the TYCO Electronics company. I've bought the same parts, from the same company in Home Depot (paid 5 times more for them), and I could not see any difference.
The parts were rj-45 ethernet jacks.
cawpinDec 31, 2010
I bought parts for my XBox 360 twice from Hong Kong on Ebay. They were both the exact same part that was originally in it and were about 1/10th the cost of buying it online from a US supplier.
seobroDec 30, 2010
Strange how they become even more repressive.
europamoDec 30, 2010
One day the Chinese people will revolt if they want it bad enough. It has to be them, it can't be us "westerners" to do it .
LsxWeaponXDec 30, 2010
China's people are a little bit more submissive to their government. their culture is in a way where rebelling against the government, even just by talking against, is looked down upon, so no one says anything. Government does what they want.
fuzzylinezDec 31, 2010
Are you in China? People say what they want almost all of the time. Even against the government. You just can't go out and incite people in public
LsxWeaponXDec 31, 2010
No ones protesting against the government because their afraid to. The Chinese government are even arresting people who text about how wrong they are. If my claims are wrong do so correct them but this is what im seeing and hearing.
fuzzylinezJan 1, 2011
What are your sources for these things? I am an American living in China and I think that people in China lead pretty happy lives for the most part. Since I have been living here, I have come to realize that maybe we are not as "free" as we pretend to be in America. Chinese people have a different way of asking questions about freedom, pretty soon you realize that we are no more free than them.
LsxWeaponXJan 2, 2011
Hey im learning as a go man. Senior in Hs. Appreciate your response.
ninjabassonlineDec 30, 2010
Remind me NEVER to call China ...
bigbern393Dec 30, 2010
commies!
dawilkinsDec 30, 2010
I would guess that what the Chinese government is trying to do here is allow Chinese-made alternatives to thrive in a competition-free environment for a while, ultimately gaining the ability to flood the markets in the rest of the world through sheer population power.
BoomTakZaagDec 30, 2010
In China Skype calls you!
geroncoDec 31, 2010
That's sad for the chinese people
shalinshaunDec 31, 2010
One can only LOL at china.
Closed AccountDec 31, 2010
There is no lead in Skype so they have no use for it.
kmontoneDec 31, 2010
This seems like a bad idea.
dandridgejasonDec 31, 2010
Very controlling situation in China.... Make me appreciate what we have here in the states!!! Jason Dandridge - The Skype Dude!
astalavistadiggDec 31, 2010
at least digg.com is still legit in china lol
adriannomeDec 31, 2010
cant say i like it.
fuzzylinezDec 31, 2010
I am here in China now, Skype works fine. Do some research, read other articles, the Chinese government has never mentioned banning Skype by name. Thats how these kinds of things get out of control. Do some more research people, China is not how the media back home portrays it to be at all.
starshipDec 31, 2010
LOL SkypeBJ ..... now that's a service i want!
jefferson53Dec 31, 2010
can anyone educate me with what's happening in china?
m0t0rid3rDec 31, 2010
Man, that's awfully insecure..
dwhsDec 31, 2010
Make China illegal
skyislandDec 31, 2010
Without net neutrality actively defended by the FCC corporate gatekeepers would be free to block traffic on the net to their heart's content. Thing is corporates don't have a heart as corporations are not living things except in the imagination of a fascist state. A place that doesn't know the difference between good government, protecting the common good and pure greed of corporate exploitation blended with government graft.. Who will be America's propaganda chief. How about a heaping helping of deep packet inspection on your plane ride to Guantanamo..
hotleperDec 31, 2010
Believe me. The chinese people do better when controlled. The government knows what it's doing.
bajanboostDec 31, 2010
North Korea 2.0
rustycawleyDec 31, 2010
So this is going to be the China Century? God help us all.
mcdentJan 1, 2011
Governments are a reflection of their people. The people get what they deserve and usually in proportion to how much effort they put into their governmental systems.
mcdentJan 1, 2011
If billions of Chinese want to be controlled by a few tyrants, who do we think we are to disturb their comfort zone. We need to wage war with China before its too late. They have already fired the first economic salvo.
mcdentJan 1, 2011
Nukem before they want their money back.
jasondittmerJan 1, 2011
China sucks.
energyeinsteinJan 1, 2011
It just has to do with profits, and secondarily controlling of information through their systems.
Cut out foreign competitors = keep profits
Keep communications local = ability to censor and watch
kiwimonkJan 1, 2011
Boycott Chinese goods until they open up their country.
tdmeskimoJan 2, 2011
As technology grows, gets faster, smaller, cheaper this seperates people not the tools people can use! You take a fishing rod away from a person, one will find another way to catch fish!
hackerhunter76Jan 2, 2011
Well... that's no surprise.
lostinseganetJan 3, 2011
Ahh hows that chineese capitalizm working for ya.
lostinseganetJan 3, 2011
Ahh hows that chineese capitalizm working for ya.
izon90Jan 5, 2011
I hate my government. We want uncle Sam to set us free. The government is corrupted. We need a new government or administrations.