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tashleyeFeb 4, 2011
Mass lawsuits don't work, and likely never will. It puts too much strain on both the legal system and the ISP's involved. Doing them individually takes far too much time and money. I think it's safe to say that putting a stop to illegal file sharing by suing individuals thousands at a time is a futile effort. Time to move on to something more effective. Is their one?
kenjuraFeb 5, 2011
They're there, in their room.
milflyboyFeb 5, 2011
It's most effective to lobby Congress to pass whatever's necessary to remove/reduce the ability of the masses to infringe in the first place. For example, in DMCA they didn't just criminalize circumvention of hardware copy protection schemes, they banned the manufacture of tools involved in that circumvention. It's illegal to manufacture or sell the simplest form of a VCR, now; it must implement certain copy-protection technologies.
It's corporate-state symbiosis. When unprepared to deal with consequences of the people's freedom, chip away at the freedom.
I actually don't really blame corporations. They're doing their job (trying to make money however they can). The same can't be said for the government, whose job it is to govern well despite others' attempts to influence that process.
catbellerFeb 5, 2011
Corporations are government-created entities, and exist as legal fictions at our convenience, not theirs. Their job is whatever we tell them it is. Their own theory is that they exist to make profit; nicely self-serving. They exist so that a group can perform actions without exposing individuals in the group to liability. Beyond that, they made the rest up. If they are becoming a pain, we could 1) regulate them or 2) dissolve them. Yessssss. We can unmake what favors we grant. Corporations are not independent life forms divorced from their makers. They are your pet dogs, and it's time you all start remembering that you are the masters, not the hounds. Corporations used to have regulated life spans and could be and were unmade when their purposes were done. They can be again. Immortal my ass.
gotmoobsFeb 6, 2011
are you retarded? Really? I believe you A. live at home with your mom or B. Work at Micky D's and hate your job. Corporations are govt made? They exist for us? are u really on crack? Their theory is that they exist to make profit? ITs a f**king law. You really need to stop smoking weed and watching alex jones wow. This is pretty scary, and the fact you have been dugg up is even more.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
merainydayFeb 6, 2011
No your theory is even more scary. Of course corporations are simple legal inventions. Heck they didn't even exist when our Consitution was written. Why they are protected by is it beyond me. Ah, thats right $$$$$$ in the pockets of all who support them.All of the rules governing them are written by our government. Yes they can be dissolved Yes they can be regulated. Go for it guys, get 'em.
breadfredFeb 6, 2011
gotmoobs, stick to the story - these insults do not do you any favors.
gotmoobsFeb 7, 2011
so if your successful, you should have a timeline on how long you can be successful? Are you serious? they already are regulated, and taxed like crazy here, hense why most of the corps, pay their taxes in Ireland. Please do not talk about things you do not understand. You don't support anything where more then 7 dollars an hr is concerned.
breadfredFeb 7, 2011
gotmoobs, what are you talking about? You do not make any sense.
milflyboyFeb 9, 2011
I agree that corporations are tools of the public that we've allowed to get too large and that corporate charters aren't revoked nearly enough, but Congress has passed laws requiring corporations to act in the financial interest of their shareholders (i.e. essentially, to maximize earnings). So, they are indeed doing their job. Even without those laws, though, they're acting out of self-interest, which is the foundation of capitalism (and evolution, I might add).
Seriously finding moral fault with anyone for playing their part too well is an emotional cop-out.
skinturtleFeb 5, 2011
The way I see it...all this is very much like the way nature goes about balancing the various eco systems. A balancing act that cuts down on the gluttony of those creatures who would consume everything leaving nothing for anything else. However...humans have fought against nature in this way...by devising ways to circumvent the way nature protects the environment.
Corporations are the worst kind of gluttonous creatures. They have a LARGE appetite for money...and you are right....they'll do anything to get it....whether it's kosher or not. They are also the biggest polluters and makers of waste. They are greedy and will feed on their prey until everything is sucked dry. They love to keep prices high...with nothing to stop therm.
With all that said...I feel that the internet and it's capability of putting the power back in the hands of the people is the very tool we've needed for years in order to balance the greedy nature of the corporate beast and large companies who seek to suck the resources out of us all.
It's just nature at work.
myztryFeb 5, 2011
They could start by separating intellectual property protection from other bundled practices such as zone locking which is anti-competitive and illegal "in spirit" to many aspects of most laws.
Sony had a lot of trouble against playstation modchip sellers because although the commodity bypassed copy protection, it also removed the anti-competitive zone locking that prevented the use of legally obtained foreign media in a price competitive manner.
optykunrealFeb 5, 2011
I personally think the only way to stop (probably only curb) piracy is for the companies to provide you something that you can't get through piracy. So like... you buy a CD/MP3 and get 5 dollars off of concert tickets to said band.
I dont know, I'm not in marketing, but it has to be something that the "pirate" can't get digitally but may still want. I have no idea if this would work but it would be a more friendly PR way of going about it.
rgb86Feb 5, 2011
I like your general concept, but I find flaws in your specific example. Sure, buying a CD might give you $5 off a ticket, but you're still paying $20 for the CD. By pirating the CD, you can still go to the concert, but end up $15 ahead.
Any sort of incentive for legitimate purchases needs to be of the non-monetary variety, like a chance to personally meet the band or something that you couldn't simply or easily pay for yourself.
optykunrealFeb 6, 2011
Right totally... I just threw out an example, and you point out a big flaw. The basic Idea is that there needs to be incentive to persuade those who pirate from pirating...
myztryFeb 6, 2011
They already do a similar thing to sabotage the 2nd hand market for game by providing single use tokens which give access to downloadable content.
Piracy isn't the only thing they seek to stop or devalue. They are also after legitimate transfers.
optykunrealFeb 6, 2011
I know that most of Digg (maybe all hah) will disagree with me, but I have no problem with Single Use Tokens. The developer/publisher put out a game I think they are entitled to some money if people are playing their game.
They see nothing off of used game sales. Them getting 10 dollars off that doesn't bother me.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
rgb86Feb 6, 2011
What makes them so special, though? Why do they deserve to make money off of second-hand sales while absolutely no one else does?
Could you imagine having to pay Toyota if you sold your old car? Or Warner Brothers for a DVD? You sold your bicycle, so time for Schwinn to get their due, right?
When you apply this sort of reasoning to any other company, it seems ridiculous, and yet somehow it's acceptable for one specific industry to double-dip their sales. This isn't fair, and it isn't right.
stooreyFeb 4, 2011
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agmlauncherFeb 5, 2011
Wow, digg commenting culture really has gone to s**t.
trimhold2k3Feb 5, 2011
yep
javaroastFeb 5, 2011
Nailed. digg needs to do something about this kind of pandering, and the lame comments that are being used as an attempt to add extra weight to a digg. Gone to total s**t
neondistractionFeb 6, 2011
Except in this case, it's not so much about adding weight to digg as it is whoring out a number of blogs he has linked to in his profile.
Every time you see some pointless, asinine comment like the one above, click on their profile and you are guaranteed to see a least one link to website or blog, along with an unnecessarily wordy bio which likely contains numerous grammatical errors.
stooreyFeb 4, 2011
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redfox2600Feb 5, 2011
I never though I'll say this but thank god big corporations are freaking lazy and bloated.
bdbrFeb 5, 2011
Big corporations aren't the only ones that have tried to bill for these requests. The first one I heard of was a small ISP in Mississippi, several years ago.
opticbitFeb 5, 2011
Soon Cable Co will by Lobbying to stop copy right holders from subpoenaing them.
And all it takes is DLing some porn, I've been doing my fair share for a while now, but now its time to go above and beyond
At the end of the article a p2p attorney said TW was on the side of its subscribers... I've gotten a couple of DMCA take down notices from them, now that I think of it, all they really did was pass the notice on to me from whoever filed the complaint. and disable my connection till I confirmed i read the connection.
myztryFeb 5, 2011
In Australia they take tend to take no real action other than passing on the notice. We aren't party to the DMCA. Inter-nation-al agreements are "gentlemen's" agreements belonging between one or more nations and aren't actual laws, let alone global laws.
Parts of the DCMA have been strong armed into "fair trade" agreements but even so, very little has actually been accepted in the legislation proper and issues such as conflicts with existing laws haven't been solved either.
Duressed agreements which attempt to bypass established parliamentary processes are dubious at best. We even have laws that make duressed agreements null and void, and they're not going anywhere soon.
jaymancashFeb 5, 2011
how in the world could they do it but block it all together somehow, then someone will just get around it!
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stooreyFeb 5, 2011
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breadfredFeb 6, 2011
f**k you. With a big pineapple.
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fxspec06Feb 5, 2011
So this is why my cable bill keeps going up.
optykunrealFeb 5, 2011
...why the monkey?
skinturtleFeb 5, 2011
The internet is natures way of keeping the greedy,corporate, feeding, beasts in line with a balancing act that all must adhere to for survival.
rayforjesusFeb 6, 2011
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tleehorneiiiFeb 5, 2011
It is about time the ISP's started representing the interests of their customers and shareholders in these matters.
minnullFeb 5, 2011
I find it hard to take something like this seriously because its difficult to empathize with pornographers. Music, movies, games - these all have artistic merit (for the most part). I just can't foresee see any public outcry to support Anal Fanatic's intellectual property. Then again I might be out of touch with what people hold dear and true to their hearts nowadays.
rujtuFeb 5, 2011
I don't think the law takes people's personal taste into account when determining the validity of someone's intellectual property.
effigy11Feb 6, 2011
whoa... ISPs on the customers side!?! unpossible!