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ruzmutuzJan 6, 2011
Will be interesting to see how this work out. Overall I think this will be a good thing for developers and consumers. Comments on the article are pretty interesting too.
Just waiting for comments saying that Linux has had an appstore equivalent for years...
stallscribbleJan 6, 2011
Linux has had an appstore equivalent for years
fallenone05Jan 6, 2011
ruzmutuz can stop waiting now :)
lilrabbit129Jan 6, 2011
I wonder how successful it is ( not sarcasm).
theskinsfactoryJan 6, 2011
I wonder how successful it is (sarcasm).
extravagantJan 6, 2011
Linux? What? is that an iPhone? I want an iphone.
Closed AccountJan 6, 2011
That no one uses....
thefirewireJan 7, 2011
Linux? Hey my buddy with a neck beard that lives in his grandmothers basement uses that. :)
nightzet467Jan 6, 2011
Lolololololol, you mean like developers have been benefiting from the app store before?
ruzmutuzJan 6, 2011
what? do not understand...
mattbdJan 6, 2011
I think Linspire's CNR app store was quite a good idea, but the distro itself was pretty s**t. I tried CNR once it became available in Ubuntu and it wasn't great there either - most of the stuff it offered was free stuff available via apt-get anyway, but they did do a few commercial games.
julesxJan 6, 2011
look, it's steam
lilrabbit129Jan 6, 2011
Similar yes, but this time its from the OS developer, which hopefully means that it should work better, and with more programs. Time will tell.
dirtyfriesJan 7, 2011
Ha, the Apple Store is already hacked:
http://gizmodo.com/5727080/mac-app-store-cracked-for-piracy
macparrotJan 7, 2011
Noooo, he claims to have cracked it but won't release it until later. That's not the same thing as "Yes the (fill this in) has been (fill this in)". We'll see. Read the story in your own links before making statementsComment is buried, click here to see the rest.
gwhenningJan 6, 2011
I'm glad they broke apart iLife and iWork. All I ever want to update are iPhoto and Pages.
rudegarJan 6, 2011
well the family pack option could be gon with the wind with this move
leamancJan 6, 2011
No. App Store purchases can be used on 5 Macs. So it's like the family pack, but for a much better price. Which makes sense, because it's just a download and not a boxed product!
chrisvazquez1Jan 7, 2011
Honestly you're a bloke if you by the family pack. Apple products don't usually have drm so you can install them on as many devices as you want. That is of course, if the legality of the issue doesn't bother you.
chrisvazquez1Jan 7, 2011
*buy*
schneidz101Jan 7, 2011
looks like someone needs to upgrade to iGetalife.
You50Jan 6, 2011
about time lol
meatydoughnutJan 6, 2011
Apple have done it again! Now I can put programs onto my computer via the internet with the help of some proprietary software! Holy f**k this is awesome.
ruzmutuzJan 6, 2011
Well the apps are said to be cheaper(up to half the price from realmac I think) and i'm not so sure it's for people who already understand that there is loads of great software out there which doesn't come straight from Apple/MS.
But don't you think it might be good to have it all gathered in one place for easy browsing or are you to 1337 for that?
powzapbiffJan 6, 2011
Is there any non-proprietary software that allows us to buy programs, automatically download and install them and then keep them updated? Please enlighten us.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
dutchguilder2Jan 6, 2011
But now I can buy from a source that I trust with my credit card and that won't infect my computer with spyware etc.
Closed AccountJan 7, 2011
*has
jlmawpJan 7, 2011
What does it matter that the software is proprietary? The apps are for THEIR product. Steam did the same thing and it's pretty awesome. Should they go out of the way to make a store for Microsoft? Oh, maybe the Xbox dev team should make sure you can buy PS3 and Wii games too, even though they'd be useless!
I just don't get why you are being dugg up...but I have a feeling it's because neither you, nor they, know what the f**k you are talking about.
timedalkatJan 6, 2011
This will change things dramatically.
timedalkatJan 6, 2011
Being dugg down on this makes me giggle. Keep your head in the sand.
powzapbiffJan 6, 2011
Every platform will have an App Store eventually. Humans figured out to centralize commerce by creating marketplaces thousands of years ago. It only makes sense online.
roy5000x2Jan 6, 2011
Twitter is the number one free app. I'm not quite sure if I follow that.
skidooerJan 6, 2011
Probably because you can only follow Twitter users, not Twitter apps.
manbearJan 7, 2011
Because it is a fantastic app, I have been using v1 (called Tweetie) for some time.
rudegarJan 6, 2011
but I want apple app store for pc too
where I could get quality snappy speed products like
itunes and safari ;)
amaoicanJan 6, 2011
You know... you may have just unwittingly stumbled upon a grand strategy here. Imagine if 6-12 months from now Apple comes out and says, "The App Store is now available for PC. Oh, and all of the apps you've already bought/written? They already work."
I might be overselling the point, but Windows-specific software development could all but come to an end. Why write for Windows when you can write for Mac App Store, be available in both environments, and have your software available to millions of customers with relatively little startup costs?
It would also explain why Steve said in the recent conference call that Apple is looking to revolutionize "PC" software sales.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
rudegarJan 6, 2011
pc == personal computer != computer running windows
amaoicanJan 6, 2011
No s**t. If PC meant "computer running windows" his statement would have been breathtakingly stupid, but since PC is a general term that includes both computers that run Mac OS and computers that run Windows, and Mac App Store is currently software that only runs on one specific kind of PC (those running Mac OS X), it seems like an odd word choice.
I see two possibilities:
1. He's predicting that the Mac App Store will inspire copycat products, most notably on Windows.
2. He's planning on making the Mac App Store cross platform.
The prediction in #1 seems pretty sound, especially if the Store gains traction, but it doesn't seem to serve anyone's interests to brag about something Apple has not yet done. #2 seems unlikely, but exciting.
amaoicanJan 6, 2011
*...PC is a general term that includes computers that run Mac OS, Windows and various others...
skidooerJan 6, 2011
Apple refers to PC as a computer running Windows. Given the context of the discussion, it is clear what he was talking about.
The cool thing about english is that it is fluid, meaning that Apple's definition of PC is not wrong.
mstrdiggJan 6, 2011
Exactly, it can go both ways. Just like a lot of Mac's user base does.
macparrotJan 6, 2011
Too true. I use WIndows at work and a Mac at home (though I also have Win7 Pro on my BootCamp Patition)
shigthenewtJan 7, 2011
Right, I'm a mac user and a bisexual.
skidooerJan 6, 2011
Interesting thought. Jobs is no stranger to doing exactly that from his NeXT days with Yellowbox, now known as Cocoa. The release of Safari for Windows did seem to indicate that Yellowbox on Windows is not completely dead.
Could Mac app sales on Windows cannibalize the Windows platform or would it only serve to negate the need for Mac ownership?
amaoicanJan 6, 2011
"would it only serve to negate the need for Mac ownership?"
I'm thinking that the ability to run 3rd party Mac apps on a Wintel box would not severely impact Mac hardware sales. How much Mac-only 3rd party software is there, after all? Being able to run Apple's 1st party software on a Wintel box could be somewhat more damaging.
Apple _could_ exclude their own apps from the Windows side of the Mac App Store, but if they did they would probably need to offer the same option to devs. On the other hand, if Apple could put out a version of iLife (for example) that works just as well on Windows as on Mac, that could have a halo effect.
macparrotJan 6, 2011
Doubtful. Unless Apple gets out of the PC hardware business (I knew what you meant way up there), the iLife and iWork Suites are there to showcase what a Mac app can do that a Windows PC can't (or at least as easily). Other than a few cross-platform apps easily made (like Safari from WebKit or QuickTime) or ones that aren't but make Apple a lot of cash (like iTunes) I can't see Apple opening up the rest of their Mac-only software to the Windows side.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
amaoicanJan 6, 2011
Right. I think if Apple were to release some bit of magic that allowed Mac Apps to run on Windows (by virtualizing the kernel or whatever) it would be for 3rd party Mac apps only.
skidooerJan 6, 2011
OS/2 is claimed to have died because it supported Windows applications. Why develop for OS/2 when you can develop for Windows and support both?
There is some logic in Apple doing the same with the apps available in the store. There is the potential to drive Mac sales: Why buy Windows when a Mac runs all the same software?
As I mentioned earlier, Cocoa has historical ties to Windows already. It would not be not a huge technical feat.
macparrotJan 6, 2011
@skidooer
That's an easy answer. Price. Macs are more expensive than their similar specced out Windows PCs.I t would more likely be the reverse. Why buy a Mac if Windows runs all the same software? Apple has no control over 3rd party developers. If they want to make WIndows versions of their Mac software (or the other way around as well) there's not a lot Apple can do to stop them. With their own software however they control the keys. Currently there isn't anything like the iLife or iWork Suite for Windows and Final Cut (Pro or Express) has ingrained themselves in the prosumer market. These programs are part of what drives some (please note I said some) Windows users to try out a Mac. For that reason alone I doubt Apple will ever release Windows versions of that software.
OTOH, I've been playing around with Adobe's Premeire Elements on the Mac and find it to be really great and all by itself gives FCE a run for it's money. I'm sure the Windows version is just as good which means for many people on Windows wanting to step up from Movie Maker, they don't have to use a Mac to get good inexpensive movie editing software.
amaoicanJan 6, 2011
@macparrot Aside from 1st party software, I don't think anyone buys a Mac for the software. But you could win developers over if there was a write-once run-anywhere approach (like Mac App Store being brought to Windows).
Suddenly, developers can say, "Do I want to develop this program for Windows and cut out all the Mac users, or develop it for Mac and get the Windows users for free?"
Suddenly MS doesn't have so many exclusives and computer shoppers can compare based on the merit of the machine instead of the software support.
macparrotJan 6, 2011
@amaoican
You might be surprised. The iLife and iWork suite of programs (usually) works pretty well together even on low hangers like the Mac Mini. There are a lot of people who aren't in need of a huge software suite like Office but just want something that works very simply and well. That's the iSuites. There is a lot of great software available for the Mac that are exclusive to that platform. Not that there aren't Windows equivelents, just that in some people's minds the Mac version seems to work better.
The only part really missing is games and with BootCamp as well as CrossOver or Fusion you can do those too. The other thing holding back sales of Macs is price. It's hard to get some people to consider a move when they see a Dell or HP with the same processor for 2/3's the price.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
amaoicanJan 6, 2011
iLife and iWork are 1st party.
quickgold192Jan 7, 2011
Well I choose my PCs based solely on mouse design.
eight190Jan 6, 2011
Today is a sad day in the world of computing. The FOSS community has had package repositories for decades, so why is Apple's App Store such a breakthrough when they have technically existed for some time.This could also lead us down a path where you can only buy / install Applications from their App Store.
bosskeyJan 6, 2011
Why is it such a sad day just because somebody made a good idea bigger and pushed it into the mainstream? Is it the old syndrome of "I was into that band before anybody, but since they became popular they automatically suck now" ?
Is a FOSS repository *really* the same thing as the Mac App Store? Because for years I have been downloading Mac software from central web repositories like MacUpdate.com. And the Mac App Store does not seem like the same thing at all.
mattbdJan 6, 2011
Linspire's Click N' Run (CNR) was basically the same thing as the Mac App Store, and that was available years ago. Of course it was somewhat hampered by the fact that the Linspire distro was utter s**t (it was one of two fairly minor Linux distros that were sold for money and marketed themselves as being for people who were used to Windows, the other being Xandros - Linspire have since gone under and were bought by Xandros, who probably survived purely because they created the distro used in the Asus Eee PC).
In 2007 they announced that Linspire was moving to using Ubuntu as a base and CNR would be available for several other distros, of which Ubuntu was the first. I tried it out once it became available and the range of stuff was utter pants - there were a few commercial games to buy, but most of it was free stuff you could get via apt-get, and it made little effort to make it easy for people to buy software in pounds sterling. So overall, good idea, crap execution.
antialiasJan 6, 2011
Functionality means pretty much nothing when only the top 5-10% of knowledgable computer users can/will use the feature. The important piece is making the features accessible to a mass audience(at least from a success/business standpoint). I've used linux package managers and such for years and yet I can really appreciate a nice graphical store where I click and have the app in my dock ready to run in less than 5 seconds. Also a major component missing from the FOSS options was a payment system limiting any non free applications from using their system.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
lilrabbit129Jan 6, 2011
Yeah the FOSS community has had MANY different ways to do that. Each only worked with certain distros, and only with certain programs.
Apple took the same fundamental idea, polished it, and made it easy to use on their platform. They also made it so commercial applications were just as readily available as free ones. How does any of this hurt the FOSS community?
Only thing I can see is this would spur the FOSS community to step it up in terms of fit and polish.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
macparrotJan 6, 2011
It isn't that it's a breakthrough or even an original idea. It that this solution works and works well while the FOSS one didn't.
Your second point is nonsense. As long as Adobe, Microsoft, and a few of the other big software developers don't allow their apps to be sold in the Mac App store, Apple won't make it exclusive. They were able to do it with iOS because it started on the ground floor with development. OS X has been around too long for that to work.
mdfrancoisJan 6, 2011
Apple makes computers?
macparrotJan 6, 2011
You didn't get the memo? It came out in 1976
seroevoJan 6, 2011
I had to upgrade to 10.5 on my Powerbook G4 just to use my iPhone 4, and I can't run Snow Leopard, so this'll be another Apple thing I miss out on.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
seroevoJan 6, 2011
I got dugg down because I can't afford - or aren't willing - to spend $1000+ on a new Mac?
For those not in the know, you cannot run Snow Leopard on non-Intel Macs, and cannot use an iPhone 4 without 10.5 Leopard (due to requirements of iTunes 10).
macparrotJan 6, 2011
Your PowerBook G4 is now over 6 years old. There aren't many computers out there that old that can run Windows 7 either (or at least very well). Computers get old and get left behind. That's the way things are. I'm not sure why you'd even WANT an iPhone 4 considering the problems it has had.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
jshhmrJan 7, 2011
You shouldn't even be buying apple products. Look where it got you. Apple and compatibility aren't on good terms,
shustoneJan 6, 2011
Do not want. I hope this doesn't lead us in a direction where all software is purchased through a store that only allows pre-approved programs.
macharborguyJan 6, 2011
Paranoia paranoia, everybody's coming to get you
macparrotJan 6, 2011
BARBARA!
shustoneJan 7, 2011
I'm not paranoid. I said "I hope this doesn't lead us" not "We are going in the direction of". I'm not trying to use the Fox News direction.
skeeordyeJan 6, 2011
i love my mac but f**k this.
macparrotJan 6, 2011
Why? You don't like an easy way to buy and upgrade programs? Really?
skeeordyeJan 7, 2011
if it works like the ipod app store, and the apps i bought aren't truely in a cloud and they just disappear when i clean my mac, no... if it worked like steam then I'm all for it, but its apple. They make good products but i wouldn't trust their app system when buying an expensive product that I need for work. And there is already a more than automatic update system.
macparrotJan 7, 2011
Then you sign in again and redownload them. As I did for the couple of apps I bought to try it out. Bought them for my iMac and then (well after a few error type 100's now thankfully gone) also downloaded them on my MBP
diggwithaforkJan 6, 2011
I for one am excited about a unified, trustworthy place to buy apps for my Apple computers. I like the ability to read user reviews and sort apps by rating! Just the other day I was searching for a good app to record video from my security cameras with the ability to alert me upon motion, set schedules etc. Searching the generic web for stuff like this sucks. Trying to weed through the paid advertising, and find real reviews... I kept coming up with apps designed for Windows, even though I was specific in my search criteria! I was also coming up with a lot of old reviews for outdated apps that are no longer relevant, or have failed to release updates beyond tiger, etc. I eventually found one that "works" for me, but I still wonder if I missed 1 or 2 really good apps that would work better for me just because I can't find them. Maybe I'll find them on the Apple Apps store in a couple months. :)
justatoolJan 6, 2011
How convienient, Mac App Store goes live while CES is being held..
macparrotJan 6, 2011
How does take away from CES? Is Apple supposed to not release anything because CES is going on?
philbertJan 7, 2011
I don't even like apple and I'm confused by your comment.
Closed AccountJan 6, 2011
This is great for developers as it will help to combat piracy and it's great for consumers because it will lower the cost of software.
Closed AccountJan 6, 2011
Oh yeah, well some day Google will have a store even awsomer for it's Chrome O/S, which is not available yet!
bosskeyJan 6, 2011
This doesn't mean a whole lot to me because downloading and installing software isn't something that I find challenging, and I've used online Mac repositories like MacUpdate for years. But I do think this is a brilliant move on Apple's part. Now that they've got the iPhone into the hands of millions of people who don't use Macs, all those people know how easy it is to download and install auto-updating apps with one click. A certain percentage of those users will find it extremely appealing to be able to do that on their computer as well.
It's also nice that some apps like Aperture and Pixelmator on the Mac App Store cost a fraction of what they do outside the App Store. I'm surprised that they brought the phone app pricing model into the computer app world, but I can't imagine anyone (except software companies) objecting to a marketplace that encourages lowering the price of software.
And of course, it also helps to show people that the Mac is not lacking for software titles. It's always been the case, but this makes them easier to find.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
macharborguyJan 6, 2011
I was quite surprised that the Mac App Store retroactively understood that I already had some of the third-party apps installed, like Panic's Transmit.
mattbdJan 6, 2011
I've just shelled out £60 for Coda actually. I'd been thinking about buying it for a while, but the fact that it's now for sale in pounds sterling via the app store finally convinced me.
macparrotJan 6, 2011
I noticed that too. I wonder if they'll update when the time comes or if that's limited to just apps bought from the store. It will suck if true
mattbdJan 6, 2011
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but:
"Developers have confirmed that there is currently no way to update apps you already own. So, unless the developers put in their own solution, you will have to re-purchase all your apps for now (or just get your updates from outside the App Store)."
Source:
http://lifehacker.com/5726477/first-look-at-the-mac-app-store-your-one+stop-shop-for-mac-software
macparrotJan 6, 2011
Yeah I heard that too but with the App Store apparently knowing what apps you've already bought hope springs eternal!
atb12688Jan 6, 2011
Wonderful. The end of Mac life as we know it. Thanks.
macparrotJan 6, 2011
Your computer stopped working when you uploaded 10.6.6 and the App Store? If you mean we can now easily find a lot of different apps from one place then why hate? However AppFresh and Bodega's days are probably numbered though.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
boucheJan 6, 2011
sounds like a great opportunity for Pull My Finger!
mrquizknosJan 6, 2011
backing up mac first. this'll prob take about 15 more minutes. I believe this is a good way for apple to MONOPOLIZE its app industry but keep things clean and glossy. if it works now, think how it'll affect the future~
macparrotJan 6, 2011
It isn't THEIR app industry other than iLife, iWork, Final Cut, and so on. It belongs to all the 3rd party app makers.
aindreaspJan 6, 2011
Awesome! Have given it a go and really love it.
Closed AccountJan 6, 2011
Thank god Apple has finally given us a way to get applications on a computer! No longer are Mac owners stuck with just what came pre-installed! I sure hope Windows PCs follow suit. I am getting sick of Spider Solitaire and MS Works.
macparrotJan 6, 2011
Look over to your right...no your right...see that button? It's your stupid sarcasm button and it appears to be broken.
jshhmrJan 7, 2011
I know, right? Apple is the most innovative company in history. I can't believe nobody thought of this first! Why is this story even on the front page again? Oh yeah, the Digg userbase hasn't figured out they've been ripped off.
geroncoJan 6, 2011
yey!!!!! Love it
G.SanchezJan 6, 2011
This is a start of the end of Compact Discs being used as a tool to load data, restore and play data.
professorzuJan 6, 2011
Installing was a pain...but actual app downloading was ridiculously fast and easy.
drewjones1Jan 6, 2011
Awesome!
wacdesignJan 6, 2011
But what if your computer goes bang will you loose all of those expensive apps like you would with your iTunes purchases?
macparrotJan 6, 2011
Step 1: Fix your broken one or buy a new Mac
Step 2: Open Mac App Store and redownload all the apps you bought
There is no Step 3
mynameisjoeJan 7, 2011
Also you probably should backup your computer, so you don't have to download them again.
macparrotJan 7, 2011
True, but I was just answering his "computer goes bang" question with the assumption that the person he's talking about didn't make a backup
niradgJan 6, 2011
yay! a new way for Apple to charge economic rent to software developers and consumers!
Apollo_501Jan 7, 2011
Isn't working at all for me. Unknown error (100). Anyone else having this problem?
Also, prices are ridiculous, at least when I'm buying apps from my touch for 5x the iTouch app store price. Makes sense, though.
Apollo_501Jan 7, 2011
Nevermind, it was a Little Snitch Rule causing the problem.
philbertJan 7, 2011
Goes live! and fails...
techrandyJan 7, 2011
about time...! I thought windows was gonna beat them to it...lol
flappyarmsJan 7, 2011
i can't wait for a jailbreak! : D
warpfieldJan 7, 2011
Photoshop for $9.99. Can't wait.
farcry15Jan 7, 2011
but what about the fantards who say that macs come with all the software you''ll ever need ever already installed?
opticbitJan 7, 2011
Be careful, it After playing with it for a wile I went to a program I already own.
Then I went back to the app store, it was asking for a pw to dl, I thought it was just to enable DL or something. Turns out the app I had used wanted an update, AT FULL PRICE. I never hit the buy button. I am disputing the charges with apple, iwascoding, paypal and bofa. Ill report back with who does what. Would be nice to have 15mi
warpfieldJan 7, 2011
What we need is a site that identifies apps actually worth buying, professionally made and supported, and reject the rest. Do we really need twenty different DVD converter utilities, etc.
junior727Jan 7, 2011
i have it