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unfriendlyfireAug 11, 2010
The would not work. The 25 pin to 9 pin adapter would not work with the parallel port and the USB device could not talk to the parallel port. Also there would be no driver to interpret the signal from the parallel port even if there was a signal.
Although once I did see a user with an original IBM XT keyboard connected to an XT to PS/2 adapter, connected to a PS/2 to USB adapter.
nepidaeAug 12, 2010
How do you know know there would be no driver?
jantikAug 12, 2010
Those drivers come on 8" floppy disks.
esteskidAug 12, 2010
You couldn't find them online?
life036Aug 12, 2010
Or write your own?
gana04Aug 12, 2010
he just knows knows
Closed AccountAug 12, 2010
Is that a parallel DB25 to serial DE9 to serial Mini DIN-8 to USB converter in your pocket, or are you just happy to see me?
kornstalxAug 12, 2010
"Although once I did see a user with an original IBM XT keyboard connected to an XT to PS/2 adapter, connected to a PS/2 to USB adapter."
I have an old AMD K5 sitting in the corner, setup exactly like that.
And just an FYI: Finding an XT to PS/2 adapter is almost impossible these days.
suricouAug 12, 2010
Finding the pinouts is not. I have a soldering iron.
captobliviousAug 12, 2010
Nope, they are easy to find and cheap.
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0202138
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0201961
They have the reverse ones too, now those I can't imagine needing, is anyone still using a motherboard that has an XT keyboard connector?
Oh also @monoprice
http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=104&cp_id=10414&cs_id=1041401&p_id=1128&seq=1&format=2
http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=104&cp_id=10414&cs_id=1041401&p_id=1126&seq=1&format=2
r0biAug 12, 2010
@CaptOblivious
AT & XT keyboards are not compatible, despite having the same connector.
captobliviousAug 13, 2010
Picky picky, Ok you got me, it's "AT"at to "ps2".
HOWEVER, his amd K5 is motherboard most assuredly NOT using the XT protocol and has the standard plug which is the same connector as the xt, and those adapters WILL work just fine.
jbmcbAug 12, 2010
It's possible:
DB25 -> DB25 (Parallel to serial converter)
DB25 -> Serial DB9 (Serial connector adapter)
DB9 -> Mini-DIN 8 (Serial to PS/2 converter, used in old computers with no PS/2 ports)
Mini-DIN 8 -> USB (PS/2 to USB adapter, bundled with most mice)
bonestampAug 12, 2010
For one thing, the USB -> 8 pin is an adapter, not a converter, so it only works with devices designed to run as PS/2 devices. A USB drive would not work.
jbmcbAug 12, 2010
Oh, right. Good point :)
So it would theoretically work with a mouse that comes with an adapter...
Closed AccountAug 12, 2010
You can probably swing *anything* with Linux.
patman21Aug 12, 2010
where's the power coming from though?
skektekAug 12, 2010
@patman21
Bingo, you win a cookie.
There is no power output power.
jbmcbAug 12, 2010
@skektek:
An old hack is to keep a data (or DTR) line high on a parallel/serial port to provide power. The parallel to serial adapter would have to do this, which it may not, but the serial to PS/2 adapter absolutely does this, as it's required for the mouse to work.
calcprogrammer1Aug 15, 2010
The DB25-DB25 is most likely a null modem, not a parallel/serial converter. A null modem just reverses cable ends (for DB25 serial, not parallel, there were serial ports that used the DB25 connector but only used 9 pins on it).
davidcarronAug 12, 2010
Will this is supposedly proof http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/4/2010/08/500x_chain-usb2.jpg
http://gizmodo.com/5610087/who-said-the-parallel-port-was-deadComment is buried, click here to see the rest.
welldoitliveAug 13, 2010
My name isn't Will
davidcarronAug 13, 2010
I know, its Welldoitlive. I was close though.
lucutusAug 13, 2010
This may be fake but is theoretically possible. It comes down to pin outs, wire count and a driver.
Each one of the adapter types has enough pins to handle a USB device. (Only four conductors required)
BD25 to USB converters work fine for USB 1.1 spec.
There is no obvious reason this daisy chain couldn't work.
And for that USB PS/2 adapter there is a mouse, KB, etc... driver available.
xkorbinAug 13, 2010
Anything can be done on the parallel port with the exception of the power.
This is ABSOLUTELY possible in Windows or Linux provided you write the correct driver for USB, and have a DTR or other external source of power (a hub actually would work, if it were powered) on the line
harrypowersAug 13, 2010
Anything is possible for the person who doesn't have to do it. Just ask any boss.
lucutusAug 13, 2010
You can get +5V through this rig easily. ftp://ftp.armory.com/pub/user/rstevew
procedure SendStrobeHi;
var b1:byte;
begin
b1:=port[890];
port[890]:=b1 OR 1;
end;
procedure SendStrobeLo;
var b1:byte;
begin
b1:=port[890];
port[890]:=b1 AND 254;
end;
lucutusAug 13, 2010
A moose once bit my sister...
No realli! She was Karving her initials on the moose with the sharpened end
of an interspace toothbrush given her by Svenge - her brother-in-law - an
Oslo
dentist and star of many Norwegian movies: "The Hot Hands of an Oslo
Dentist",
"Fillings of Passion", "The Huge Molars of Horst Nordfink"...
Mynd you, moose bites Kan be pretti nasti...
cimmerianxAug 11, 2010
This would not work at all.... Although it reminds me of the days when I sometimes had to chain together Gender-benders and extra adapters because I was too cheap to just go and by the appropriate cable.
paranor01Aug 12, 2010
or make it
elranzerAug 12, 2010
Reminds of this...
http://www.retropia.es/images/upload/mega-drive-2.jpg
russkiguyAug 12, 2010
Reminds me of this instead:
http://www.destinydriver.com/New_Folder/Pictures%20%28Futurama%29/Rocket%20USA%20Gender%20Bender.JPG
crowquillzAug 12, 2010
That wouldn't work either.
Now the third one over here might work:
http://imgur.com/DZXKd.jpg</a></a>
trejrcoAug 12, 2010
Oh yeah, the good old days. When you had to know what you were doing just to use a computer, a computer that you very well may have built yourself :).
I still have a "chain" of these hanging in a closet, somewhere ... I need to go dig that up, and maybe my 386DX-40 is still around here somewhere.
rolfAug 12, 2010
Gender Benders look like they cost $25, would've have been cheaper to get a cable imo.
http://www.tinmantintoys.com/RandS/Gender_Bender_Robot.html
sjdwAug 13, 2010
Back then we just hard-wired up our own to d-sub connectors.
lanlostAug 14, 2010
Yeah, is it just me or does this remind any of you of when you have that friend who you find has mp3s that are 50mb and only 3 minutes long? You know.. the one who assumes that renaming from .wav to .mp3 magically converts it.
It plays so it MUST work.
...
trick07Aug 12, 2010
There is no keyboard attached yet the Device Manager shows a PS/2 keyboard...
robjohnstonAug 12, 2010
way to read off the article comments
trick07Aug 12, 2010
You mean the article comment "Why is there a PS/2 keyboard in Device Manager when there is no keyboard attached to the computer?" posted by somebody using the name *Trick*?
Nothing gets past you huh?
hellman109Aug 12, 2010
On a server its usually a virtual keyboard through a DRAC/RSA/iLO/IMM remote access module.
InfinityComplexAug 12, 2010
You forgot Sun ELOM :P
calcipherAug 12, 2010
Many of those servers have front mounted keyboard/mouse/vga ports. Not sure of this specific model, but we have a Dell about that old with front mounted ports.
luke255Aug 13, 2010
Photoshop. Or maybe just MS Paint...
sjdwAug 13, 2010
Or perhaps another system entirely.
benroyAug 12, 2010
This is a bit of a catch-22. Only geeks will know what's happening here and we're also the only ones who know that this would never work and that it's stupid.
manikfoxAug 12, 2010
so true lol
mxm111Aug 12, 2010
So, where is the catch?
danisthAug 12, 2010
The group of people that would find it interesting is the same group that will disprove its legitimacy.
Closed AccountAug 12, 2010
I N C E P T I O N
conkesoAug 12, 2010
It's between the 21 and the 23
mxm111Aug 13, 2010
"The group of people that would find it interesting is the same group that will disprove its legitimacy."
Still do not understand where is the catch. One does not contradict or prevent another. In fact it may be even more interesting because one can disprove it.
So, WHERE IS THE CATCH?Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
danisthAug 13, 2010
The catch is actually not apparent since this story became popular, but lets just blame that on blind digging and people who are pretending to get it. The catch is that its impossible for this story to be dugg because in order for someone to appreciate it they'd have to be a geek. Also if someone is a geek they would no it was fake and therefore not digg it.
alangfAug 13, 2010
@Slides the comment i was waiting for
krinkovAug 12, 2010
though I'll bet you theres going to be a movie with some time travel plot where some guy goes back in time 20 years ago with a thumbdrive and you're going to see him pull some s**t like this.
And all us geeks in the audience will be laughing.
rahazAug 12, 2010
Which the exception of what the Parallel Port is and why it was used before the rest is rather obvious to just about anyone who's used a flash drive and a computer.
tcsucksAug 12, 2010
Pointless too, considering the two UNUSED USB ports to the left.
thefoshizzlerAug 12, 2010
Now THAT'S efficient!
dobryAug 12, 2010
I'm pretty sure that is the complete opposite of efficient.
thefoshizzlerAug 13, 2010
God damn, you're smart.
Closed AccountAug 12, 2010
the genesis picture in the comments is great. classic.
djauto23Aug 12, 2010
It's not dead, it just smells funny.
pika2000Aug 12, 2010
Fake, and gizmodo. Buried.
mrbabyman6Aug 12, 2010
Obvious Apple user is obvious.
Inability to take simple jokes, and is still pissed about meaningless s**t which happened months ago that really doesn't even concern you.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
bluemotionAug 12, 2010
whats unacceptable about gizmodo?
digg2point0Aug 12, 2010
Butt hurt apple fanboys since Giz bought a lost iphone 4, made an attempt to return it but were ignored then leaked the iphone 4.
spacemanspiff22Aug 12, 2010
No, the real pathetic part of that story was how they tracked down and leaked the details about the guy who lost it making his life hell for no reason whatsoever. And don't forget the time they went to that electronics expo and turned off all kinds of devices with a universal remote cause they thought it was funny.
Most of the junk there can be traced back to Jesus Diaz, who attacks people who comment anything even remotely negative about his drivel or just deletes the comments. My personal favorite was the post he made with Jobs in a stupid position with the text "full bars" on it, which someone immediately pointed out in the comments as being suggested by another user. Yet he gigantically watermarked his stupid name in the corner like a jackass.
This of course was when I used to read the site. I can honestly say I haven't opened the page once in at least a month and don't plan to, either. Engadget is far better in every way. Basically Gizmodo is the kind of stereotypically immature, pointless blog that is holding back the format being considered legitimate news sources.
skurtAug 12, 2010
Don't hold back spacemanspiff, tell us how you really feel...
masterkhaxAug 13, 2010
Butt hurt Apple fanboys? I think you mean butt hurt PC users.
tjacquesAug 12, 2010
Yo dawg...
benroyAug 12, 2010
I heard you like adapters...
crackshot91Aug 12, 2010
...so we put an adapter into an adapter...
freckleearsAug 12, 2010
into an adapter...
chaosprofessorAug 12, 2010
so you an adapt while you react?
drahgon55Aug 12, 2010
woooord
shirosamuraiAug 13, 2010
I love digg.
aari13Aug 13, 2010
or adapt while you ACQ?
Closed AccountAug 12, 2010
Yo.
dlan4327Aug 12, 2010
Like the comments said, that particular USB lights up Orange when it's connected. I can vouch for that as I currently own one.
funkylokiAug 12, 2010
True, but I also own one and it still works but the LED has failed.
This scenario is still bulls**t.
clharlem149Aug 14, 2010
the light not being on may not be the giveaway, but it should at least bring attention to one of the real giveaways: parallel doesn't output power.
Closed AccountAug 12, 2010
I hate to nit-pick, but it's a "USB flash drive" not just a "USB". I hate it when people do that. It just perpetuates the message that USB is only used for storage.
alibenxAug 12, 2010
I pretty sure no one thinks USB is only for storage.
Closed AccountAug 12, 2010
Your average "non-computer person" might not think about it that hard. Just think about it - your average person might not come across USB connectors on anything except flash drives.
gojoeAug 12, 2010
And mouses and keyboards.
threedee912Aug 13, 2010
I know someone who refers to USB flash drives as "Sandisks"...
Just sayin'.
Closed AccountAug 13, 2010
Mouses and keyboards are usually plugged in at the back of the computer so most people wouldn't see them I imagine. But they are probably the most common USB devices other than flash drives.
Whenever anyone calls them "memory sticks", I can't help but think of Sony Memory Sticks, i.e. the flash memory card. Anyone else?
Closed AccountAug 12, 2010
He divided by 0!
xsubmergedAug 12, 2010
A reader on gizmodo tried the same thing - confirmed fake...buried
http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/comment/4/2010/08/aef4f761c5da6fa166069dd0462ba5a4/340x.jpg
chaosprofessorAug 12, 2010
U3 just crashed it
ikkefc3Aug 13, 2010
And if you look closely at the screenshot you see the PC has a P55 chipset. No way the PC in the photo has a P55 chipset: http://www.fierysource.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/motherboard-roundup.jpg. No P55 mainboard has an onboard GPU, serial port or parallel port.
hotpuck6Aug 12, 2010
It would be one thing if it actually worked, especially if it was able to work at USB 2.0 speeds.
Closed AccountAug 12, 2010
Sure the parallel port isn't dead - I have a printer attached to it - it's more than 10 years old though, but hey, I don't need to print everyday so it's still working fine
skurtAug 12, 2010
I hear you, my HP 5mp chugs right along just fine thankyouverymuch.
areallygoodnameAug 12, 2010
Just follow the chain of impossibility.
Stage 1. In the back of that computer it has a DB25 parallel port. It is not a DB25 serial port. A parallel port is wired completely differently to an RS232 port and uses almost all the pins a DB25 can provide.
Stage 2. Plugged into that DB25 parallel port is either a null modem or a gender changer (both can look identical externally). A null modem is designed to wire serial ports in a certain way, it could never work with a parallel port. A DB25 gender changer would allow the parallel port signals through.
Stage 3. Plugged into that null modem or gender changer is a DB25 to DB9 adapter. Here is where it absolutely fails. A parallel port needs all the signals. For a start you're going to lose ground here (pin 18 on a parallel port). There is no way for a signal to even get past this point if it hasn't been stopped already.
Stage 4. Serial to PS2 adapter - not a converter. These serial to PS2 adapters do no conversion. They are designed for old mice that have both serial and PS2 functionality internally with a PS2 connector standard on the mouse. The mouse itself would detect if it was plugged into a PS2 port straight up or a serial port (via the adapter) and would do the conversion internally. That adapter doesn't actually convert, it relies on the peripheral it is connected to for that. So even if signals got to this point they'd be blocked here.
Stage 5. A PS2 to USB adapter. Again these are not converters. You can't plug any USB device into this and have it work via your PS2 port. It is designed for mice that internally auto-detect and support either a PS2 or USB connection. Again even if the signals got to this point they'd be blocked.
benroyAug 12, 2010
Nerd!
Just kidding, I totally heart you for that.
denizen42Aug 12, 2010
You wouldn't do a good 'scotty'.
xboxsosmartAug 12, 2010
tl;dr
homercles337Aug 12, 2010
Stage 6. A USB device. The parallel port doesn't supply power in the first place. Again it fails.
That was all you needed. No power to the USB device, no work.
grimwardAug 12, 2010
Excellent deconstruction of this hoax, I'm personally ashamed that I didn't catch the most glaring issue with this setup, the power!
Oh great master, I bow my head in shame.
universaljointAug 12, 2010
This account has been closed by the user
alecksAug 12, 2010
No, the IRQ number is wrong
snakedal337Aug 12, 2010
Stage 7. We'll initiate a kick.. at that point were pretty deep in. A power surge would probably be our best bet.
catalysisAug 12, 2010
Well, technically it could provide +5V power if one of the signal pins' bit state was set to 1.
somehyjinxAug 12, 2010
On top of the absurdity of the physical connection itself, I like the doctored screen shot of the device manager. CSC0101A would only connect to a USB port, not parallel or serial.
The CSC0101A device allows a PS/2 device to use Usb, but not the other way around. And it's only USB 1.1 compliant for HIDs and the picture shows a USB 2.0 storage device.
invaderprotosAug 13, 2010
Stage 7: I sleep with your wife.
Check the corners, bro.
xkorbinAug 13, 2010
Power could easily be supplied by chaining in a powered hub.
The real problem is that DB25 connector and the port itself; writing an adapter to complement the pinouts really isn't that difficult for someone with technical experience to pull off.
sniper117Aug 13, 2010
You sir, have won the gold medal nerd award.
meccaydnaAug 17, 2010
I was hoping there'd be a faux wire (or pair) leading from the case to some point in the adapter chain. Then at the very least he could have said "well I attached new signals" and lied about it.
Of course it kindof defeats the purpose in taking two of the four conductors and wiring them directly to the mobo. But still...
guabancexAug 12, 2010
Dugg for the lulz :)
iJailbreakAug 12, 2010
Wow, an article from Gizmodo that isn't whining and bitching about Apple?
smokezzAug 12, 2010
Wow, an Apple user that only clicks on Gizmodo links that point to articles that bitch about Apple so he can bitch about Gizmodo.
sethprAug 12, 2010
*head explodes*
smokezzAug 12, 2010
Woot
originalmadmattAug 12, 2010
and the universe collapses
saxxonpikeAug 12, 2010
*checks*
...still dead.
redline582Aug 12, 2010
It's funny because he has something plugged into a serial port.
crackerjack20Aug 12, 2010
I have a couple dozen legacy adapters in my parts boxes. I could come up with a chain even longer and funnier, but it still wouldn't work. Who is this humor aimed at?
tripledjrAug 12, 2010
Those old Dell Poweredge servers, I had 2 that I jacked from my dad, not sure where he got them. But I decided it would be a good idea to load ubuntu server on both and serve media from them to my comp/ps3/xbox360, so i stacked them in the closet (still stupid loud with those damn fans) so I ripped out two of the fans on each, figured theres only 2 and if I left a little bit of the casing of there'd be enough airflow. Anyways as you can guess, that didn't quite work out so well when I smelt something burning and went in to the closet and they'd been burning into the shelf they were sitting on. Then went to see if they were still working or if they were fried, surprisingly enough they were apparently they exhaust a lot of heat to the frame.
Good times
pbrbeerAug 12, 2010
cool story bro
smokeydabearAug 12, 2010
That actually was a cool story.
allantronAug 12, 2010
Isn't that what he said?
Closed AccountAug 12, 2010
Obviously it doesn't work, the light on the usb isn't even on....Com'on guys.
kaidovakAug 12, 2010
Obviously it doesn't work, the light on the usb (storage device) isn't even on....Com'on guys.
There, fixed it.
sniper117Aug 13, 2010
Thumbs down for unnecessary fix. -1
neville007Aug 12, 2010
Do PCs still carry one of those? It's been ages since I used one.
I would feel bad if they were gone completely, though. I'm into old computers (Amstrad, ZX Spectrum, etc.) and I leanrt there are a number of amateur projects to connect those machines to the PC or use their peripherals, and many of them use the parallel port.
originalmadmattAug 12, 2010
learnt?
neville007Aug 12, 2010
Sausage fingers, poor typing skills and cheapo keyboards shouldn't mix. Point taken.
funkylokiAug 12, 2010
I don't know how is looking at his screen and showing us his Device Manager. In the first picture, he doesn't even have anything plugged into the video adapter.
originalmadmattAug 12, 2010
obviously it is a wifi monitor HEY! HO!
funkylokiAug 15, 2010
Thank you folks, he'll be here all week...try the veal, and remember to tip your server.
max1001Aug 12, 2010
You nerds. This is done for the Lulz. Don't go all butt hurt into disapproving it. Nobody cares.
uselesstriviaAug 12, 2010
Go back to 4chan.
doshindudeAug 12, 2010
Buried you for use of the word "lulz" and "butt hurt." As the above poster said, go back to 4chan.
Closed AccountAug 12, 2010
2MB/s nice
bobviolenceAug 12, 2010
It's real. Some guy found it in a bar and sold it to Gizmodo.
dumass4uAug 12, 2010
What the f**k are you nerdos talking about?
darkshroudAug 13, 2010
Pumping coolant into your mother's rad.
doshindudeAug 12, 2010
"That's a printer port not a finger hole!"--Homer Simpson
ashamedgorillaAug 12, 2010
Faulty gender bending.
I want to believe!
boner79Aug 12, 2010
YES!
debbieemerAug 12, 2010
Source: http://i.imgur.com/6n9QH.jpg
dalectricsAug 12, 2010
How many tabs are open there??
enantiodromiaAug 12, 2010
If anyone finds this interesting enough to take a picture of, much less, upload it, or put it on their "tech blog", or submit it to digg, i have to wonder how long they have really been into tech.
ousthouseAug 12, 2010
It's a joke. It's not meant to be a "how to effectively connect a thumb drive" tutorial.
enantiodromiaAug 12, 2010
no, see, i get that. it's just not witty, amusing, or novel. it's been done countless times by just about everyone who has ever been around computers for more than a few months.
adokimusAug 12, 2010
I still use a lazer printer with a parallel port, using a parallel port to USB cord that cost $5. Beats paying for printer ink, and works perfect.
darkshroudAug 13, 2010
That's not uncommon for Printers and other expensive devices that still work very well because they were made in America or Japan instead of China.
bigsteveAug 12, 2010
Good points from the comments section on that page: That model of USB stick lights up orange when accessed, and there's a keyboard in the device manager list, and parallel ports deliver no power. I had a pre-USB-era parallel port ethernet adapter... for power, it y-adapter'd a nearby PS2 port (as they carry power.)
Shenanigans.
phyx726Aug 12, 2010
USB requires power...
raydeenAug 12, 2010
He-Man doesn't. He has the power.
Closed AccountAug 12, 2010
It can't work.
1) Parallel to Serial doesn't work, unless he's got some hardware in that thing and/or some weird driver. More likely it's just a 25-pin serial to 9-pin serial with a gender changer (the grey box closest to the machine)
2) PS2-to-USB only works for keyboards, and only with some machine/keyboard combinations built to handle it.
zacarraAug 12, 2010
Simply, this is bulls**t.
notsofastenerAug 12, 2010
He didn't even notice the two USB ports sitting to the left of the built-in RJ45 jack. Buried for being as fake as HOPA girl and stupid as Double Rainbow guy.
misterfawkesAug 12, 2010
The Flash Drive would light up orange anyways.
bluemessAug 12, 2010
When that type of USB stick is plugged in, it lights up in orange. That isn't lit up.
jazzmindAug 12, 2010
personally... i'll solve this one with a hammer and a trash can
chickery2Aug 12, 2010
wait a minute.....did whoever posted this think that they werent going to be ripped apart by trolls who do nothing but computers about how IT WONT WORK......lol.....rather than people laughing at the parody of all the connections JUST so it would plug in, they explain in scientific computer terms why this will not work......
smh......
dreamvsps2Aug 12, 2010
http://media.photobucket.com/image/sega%20cd%20attachment/imtheoneinblue/wow/1203658924671977.jpg
anizzleAug 12, 2010
THEY CAN TRAVEL IN TIME IN HARRY POTTER -- WHY NOT GO BACK AND KILL VOLDEMORT?!!!!!
cheezygrinAug 12, 2010
"AReallyGoodName" above provides a fully comprehensive list of why this wouldn't work, but I could just think of two simple reasons:
1: Parallel ports don't provide power - USBs provide 5 volts or so which USB gadgets need to run. Parallel stuff usually has it's own power source.
2: Those green converters are for mice only. I know from experience that the purple ones are for keyboards only and the green for mice only. They only work with those exact peripherals, and only if the peripherals themselves support the adapters. You can't plug a random USB thing in it and expect it to work.
rxbudianAug 12, 2010
There are 2 free USB ports on the left side of that impossible and ridiculous contraption. why not use them?
tgc1Aug 12, 2010
As soon as I saw the USB I thought "How the f**k is it getting power?!"
But yeah, i'm not THAT old school. I can only figure out about 3 links down the chain. The two closest are before me.
blackhole82Aug 12, 2010
USB ports are precious. You can never have too many of them.
regeyaAug 12, 2010
It wouldn't work, and the drive lights up orange. Do I get my automatic thumbs-up for my insightful redundant comment?
I think I have one of all those gender-benders at home, and I definitely have a Cruzer. LOL