mashable.com— Microsoft Internet Explorer continues to make a comeback, gaining market share for the third month in a row, mostly to the detriment of Mozilla Firefox.
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Hell, there's a few people I know that just call IE "The Internet," mainly because when you set it as a shortcut, windows actually names it "Internet."
Well, more and more people I know who are completely computer-illiterate are becoming knowledgeable about the different browsers. On a public computer the other day at my workplace (where most people know very little about computers) there was a Chrome icon that had been renamed "Good Internet".
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@MrTeflon Im not sure you understand. Or else you replied to the wrong comment. I was saying if IE8 doesn't have something like NoScript then it can go f**k itself in its port 80.
Here is a simple test. Open internet explorer. Open Opera. type the url of some page you have never looked at before on either browser. Something like http://www.mybunnyfarm.com/monsterrabbits/
Click enter in IE. Click enter in Opera. As fast as you can. On my machine, Opera loads noticably faster. I can see the image of the man and his large bunny and begin scrolling down meanwhile IE is still a blank white page.
Still, IE commands a 60%+ market share and in those terms, I agree with you, IE is better than FF. For me, it's about the browser experience. It's a combination of speed, usability, stability, etc. And in those terms, FF is not only better than IE, but better than every other browser on the market.
Who gives a rip about speed? I KNOW that Firefox is slower, and that's okay for now. I'm willing to wait that burdensome, awful, terrible 2 seconds extra to launch my browser and 30 addons that make me spend LESS TIME on pointless crap when I use the web.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
Hey, let's bury this guy because he tells the truth! I don't see a difference in speed when it comes to Chrome, IE, or Firefox. Maybe its because I have a fast computer.
I got rid of Chrome because it has nothing to really offer if I use both IE or Firefox. I use Firefox for normal everyday browsing and use IE for business reasons. To me, IE is more stable and compatible with the business oriented websites I use. Especially Javascripted sites such as Ebay's paypal shipping.
@ MrKev150 I have a quad-core proccessor at 3.33GHZ, and a 23 Mbps internet connection with very little latency, I have tried IE6, IE7, IE8, Firefox, and Chrome on Windows XP 32-bit; I have tried IE8, Chrome, and Firefox on Windows 7 64-bit; and I have tried 32-bit Firefox, and 64-bit chrome on Ubuntu 10.04. IE6 is significantly slower than all the others, and it takes a long time to load something big like Gmail. IE7, and IE8 are faster, but they still are slow. IE8 64 bit has no noticeable improvement over the 32-bit version from my experience. Firefox and Chrome have noticeably faster load times than all the IEs, but Google Chrome 64-bit on Linux rapes then all in the butt when it comes to speed. I can put in an address, and it loads it in less than the blink of an eye. Google Chrome 64-bit is like a whole new browsing experience because the pages load insanely fast, I just hope they make a 64-bit chrome for Windows soon.
Sorry you are wrong. IE8 is very behind firefox. All of IE8's supposed 'security' features takes a very hard tax on it's rendering and javascript engines, while firefox can use noscript (which is much more secure) and still demolish IE8 on speed.
Most importantly, IE8 doesn't even support basic CSS3 or HTML 5.
Are you sure it isn't that people are switching to IE, but the fact that PC sales have been up lately and IE is the browser that MS bundles with windows 7, thus increasing the numbers of unique visitors?
If people start moving to mac, Safari usage goes up.
Same with switching to windows 7,
IE6's usage rates have pretty much been ignored at this point, since the people who want to switch or decide to switch switched early on, when everyone was still using XP.
IE6 sucked, so most of the people who were using computers, switched just because it better,
Now people are switching to 7, don't worry about better, and IE8 has most of the features, aka search bar and tabs, that people switched for to begin with.
I know Search bar and tabs came with Internet explorer 7, but IE8 is the one everyone will see,
and that's how the usage rates will be driven up.
at least until people start pushing for 9, or people get tired of 8 and move to different browsers again, or chrome frame becomes popular
If you are basing it on percentage, shouldn't the proper % move away from IE? Or do you think that just cause people are buying a new PC they decide to not use the browser they used before?
Sooner or later the naive masses who dare not attempt something like changing browsers will call on a computer literate friend to fix a problem, and they will fix the issue of default browser while they are there.
@Myztry, when you fix PC for a living at a certain point you stop trying. People freak out when you change their settings. Add into that the complication that many banking & government sites only work properly with IE and it just a big mess.
And seriously f**k YOU to the people that think it's ok to change Firefox's icon to the IE icon and tell people it was an upgrade. This complicates the hell out of trouble shooting problems.
This is why I distrust these stats. Do they take into account the fact that many new PC buyers a clueless or too lazy to find alternatives to IE? Yep, sounds like IE wins by default not by merit.
I agree with you that IE is the easiest way to go if your users don't care about speed and just want every link they encounter to work. However, I persist in my efforts to persuade them to move to Chrome, Safari or Firefox, in that order, because I believe they're going to need fast HTML5 performance in the next 12 months, and I don't want to bank on IE9 meeting the challenge. Maybe I'm just a masochist? Personally I'm using Safari (yes, Safari!) and Chrome mostly. Two days ago I got the Firefox 4.0 beta and liking it a lot. Truthfully, it's really a golden age for browsers, with four different platforms competing closely.
There is much more scientific way to disprove those stats: they are measured on way too small, artificially selected set of sites, each with limited and not average set of users. Such choice is by definition faulty .
I went from Firefox back to IE. I have to be honest, all I really wanted was tabbed browsing. The security aspect is bulls**t if you know what you're doing and is only a real selling point for normal user base.
I know this, in my family's household. (2.. err, now 3 sisters, an aunt and a niece) there are constant arguments over Firefox and IE. Let them loose and they are split on what they prefer to use. IE feels quicker to all of them, Firefox is more stable to some but less reliable to others, they lose customizable backgrounds but hate how long it takes to open, and the fact that less sites seem to work.
Bash me if you want, I have a household of 6 computer illiterates, ranging in skill from 1 to about 4 (out of 10) to test statistics on, and some of them honestly prefer IE. Also, I'm not some bored jackass trying to shove what I prefer down their throats to 'fight the man', I just made them aware of Firefox and walked away.
I do know one thing, I have to fix their computers a lot less than I did 5 years ago, so they both IE and Firefox are doing their jobs, thank God.
IE is much less secure, and it doesn't matter if you "know what you are doing". Popular forms of attacks are using sites you would normally trust, to infect your computer.
Not to mention IE8 is much slower than FF, as well as doesn't support any CSS3 or HTML5.
Bingo. Windows 7 adoption is high, new PC sales are up. Most novice users have no idea there are other browsers (my parents would never have switched to Firefox if I hadn't tricked them into doing it).
That could be a possible explanation if you conclude that the majority of new PC sales are going to customers who have never owned PC's before and just boot up their computer and use whatever is available. I don't have any statistical information one way or the other but I find this highly unlikely. I would guess that the majority of the PC sales are repeat customers who are replacing their existing machines or businesses who are finally upgrading hardware and switching from XP. If this is the case then your conclusion is invalid because these repeat customers would not likely change browser habits just because they have purchased a new or secondary machine for use.
Actually, opera is the best browser out there at the moment. You are just too stupid to recognize a simple fact of life. Perhaps you also believe in faeries, true love, and happiness.
People use firefox because it used to be a good browser. Computer geeks went around saying 'IE is so evil, firefox is so great. Everyone use firefox.' It eventually got into peoples heads. Only problem is, computers change quickly. Opera and Chrome became amazing browsers, but the people were still in their Firefox hype mode. "What do you mean Opera/Chrome is better than firefox? Everyone is saying Firefox is the best! It must be the best! Clearly you are just an idiot!" No, you are just behind the times, angry internet mob. You are behind the times. Firefox was the s**t! Four years ago. It is time to move on. Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
melthornal i agree with what you say, opera is the better of the 3. i still dont agree that chrome is better than anything though. it looks like a blue blob with fisher price buttons, incompatible with so many sites, crashes, etc.
Since the guy is clearly a troll, I'll just say the following and move on: Firefox is better than it has ever been and looks to get better still in the near future.
Opera doesn't let me change certain things I want to be able to do, like middle-click bookmarks to open them in new tabs. I know I can shift click or whatever, but I don't f**king want to, I want to middle click cause sometimes I browse like while leaning against my chin (or masturbating!), so it's nice to be able to customize that. Also I've gotten used to and would like to find a way to scroll through my tabs by hovering over the tab bar and scrolling, while the right-click + scroll is nice, it's a bit different and doesn't give me the same type of usability I'm after, as well as a few other things.
The truth is that any -big- difference between browsers is negligible now, and I'd rather have the options that I'm used to/feel work better than get a tiny bit of speed or faster javascript, or have 2-3 webpages render more properly.
"According to new statistics from Net Applications, Internet Explorer (Internet Explorer) increased its share of the browser market in July by 0.42%..."
That amazing. I guess the rest should throw in the towel and save themselves embarrassment now.
Increase in IE % = People buying PCs (with Win7), and either not knowing how (& not have the local "computer nerd" handy or being too lazy.
Not sure why you're getting dugg down. I too have noticed a major decrease in Firefox bootup time and stability when I upgraded to 3.5. It's consistently gotten worse with each update too. Firefox staff blame this on security measures they've added that trigger upon startup but I seriously cant wait 10+ seconds for a browser to load just to freeze for another 10 seconds to a min while it's trying to load in the 10 tabs I had open before. People are shifting to other browsers because of these "small" issues that Firefox has. Firefox isn't the speedy amazing browser that it used to be. I can only hope that their next major version fixes these problems.
Yeah, I have this thing where every time I open a new tab or close one, firefox just freezes completely for a few seconds. It's not long enough to make you want to punch the computer, but enough that it's annoying. This is a fresh install of windows 7 x64 on a wuad core and 4 gigs of ram.
Yeah, if speed and RAM are your main concerns, Firefox is not your best bet. But I use it anyway, because the extra boot time and 120MB of memory (seriously, I have four gigs, and that's the "normal" amount now) are definitely worth it for the addons. Adblock plus, flashblock, lastpass, xmarks, BBCode, image zoom, fasterfox, an onscreen ruler are the standard ones, and I even have obscure ones like the Newegg Camel and tin eye search.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
I use pretty beefy machines, and all too often Firefox takes longer to fire up from scratch than Photoshop or Matlab. The beta for 4 seems to be an improvement, but I believe a lot of functionality is still disabled?
I still prefer Firefox by far over everything else, but its overall sluggishness is making me question that.
I switched to Chrome because Firefox was getting too slow..
And now that i use Chrome there is no reason to go back to Firefox, because i'm satisfied with my browser.
You either made a good choice or are a moron. If you don't really use addons, then you're better off. If you depended on 40 them, and switched only for the quicker startup, then you're a moron. But since you said you have no reason to go back, I'll assume you are the former, not the latter.
I don't use Chrome, but I have tried it a few times in the past. It is not only faster in the initial startup of the application but also in the rendering of pages and far, far faster in the execution of JavaScript.
I tried Chrome, but didn't find it to be faster or crash less than Firefox. (I consider myself a power surfer with average of 10-20 tabs open on average).
IE8 is good enough for the majority of people so they don't give a damn. If you need more proof look at the simple fact that the browser ballet box in Europe really didn't hurt IE's market share.
When IE9 comes out and is both standards compliance (real standards not the Acid3 test that's out of date) and fast what will you guys bitch about then?
ie9 is already way faster than any firefox build ever, and is also faster than chrome for html5. the UI is not public yet but with every product microsoft has revealed lately, it seems its going to be quite nice.
Yes I've been trying each preview version as they've been released. They load digg faster than any other browser I've tried. The idea of hardware acceleration for all scripting/markup as well as SVG & Canvas is very sweet.
As I said it will be interesting to see what people will bitch about then.
I'm curious what people are bitching about now. IE8 is decent enough. It's a little clunky at times, but then again so is Firefox. It's not 100% standards compliant, but it's a leaps and bounds beyond IE6/7 and just as easy to code for as Firefox/Chrome are. Chromes the easiest though.
The problem with IE 8 is not it's interface, it's its crappy horrific "Welcome to IE8" browser message that pops up every...single...time the browser turns on, even if you go through the setup. It also(understandably) just feels slower then other browsers. Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
Seriously, stop complaining and whining about every little damn thing. I know it was popular to hate Microsoft and stuff, but at least be fair. They've have been sued and shackled by every major government on the planet regarding windows/IE/office. At least its founders are doing good things with their wealth unlike other greedy pigs (Ellison from Oracle and Jobs from Apple).
I think once IE9 comes out people will stop bitching so much about IE's lack of standards, at least developers anyway. I think in the future the bitching will be directed more towards stability, speed, and usability.
Wait... I'm sorry... when IE requires you to upgrade to IE9 on startup, I will do a backflip.
Good for IE to finally get to a place it should have been years ago. Unfortunately, the amount of time it'll take people to upgrade to it means that us developers won't really see a benefit from it until IE6 and 7 are completely gone.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
I am kind of worried that IE9 is the next gen browser I'm most excited about. Let's just hope they add something similar to no-script, and they keep up with the other browsers.
Sure, they might release on top of the browser market, but with a 2+ year update cycle, the other browsers will quickly jump ahead of them.
aww, f**k....
i just upgraded to IE8 because the company i work for is stuck in the 90's and doesn't know how to write an intranet application on any other browser....
my bad.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
i only use firefox at work when i have to make sure my code is cross browser compliant. firefox got way too slow and bulky shortly after chrome came out. bad move, mozilla.
That's because firefox sucks. I tried it, and the amount of malware that gets through is irritating. I swithched back to ie8, and am now waiting for ie9. Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
One reason my Dad uses IE8 is because the browser skin is all translucent-y to go with the Aero effect of Vista/7. He simply thinks it looks better. I'm pretty sure Firefox is shooting for those effects in FF4, but not sure.
I agree with schoate09. Mac OS X doesn't look as nice as it did when it first came out. Even Vista Ultimate with Aero, widgets and Dreamscene surpassed OSX's aesthetics.
"We use a unique methodology for collecting this data. We collect data from the browsers of site visitors to our exclusive on-demand network of live stats customers. The data is compiled from approximately 160 million visitors per month. The information published is an aggregate of the data from this network of hosted website statistics. The site unique visitor and referral information is summarized on a monthly, weekly, daily and hourly basis."
160 million visitors per month is not a random sample, it is the full population of site visitors. Thus, the result is inherently "statistically significant". It is absolutely, 100% certain that they saw an increase in the number of IE users to the sites that they collect data from.
Now, what remains to be asked is only whether or not this is a trend based on some real lasting change in the dynamics of the browser wars, or whether something like an increase in PC sales and new computer users is the culprit.
The reasons to use Firefox aren't as compelling as they once where. However, Firefoxes upcoming tab candy feature could make it the must use browser once again.
First of all, I'm a web developer, and let me say that my judgment of browser performance as far as a user is concerned does not necessarily reflect my judgment as far as a web developer is concerned. That said, I know I'll get buried down to the core of the Earth for this one, but...
IE 8 is actually a very good browser. It's fast and has some great and intuitive features built right in.
I put IE above firefox any day, but I did recently switch to Chrome for most casual browsing.
A lot of people switch to firefox without really knowing why they are doing so (a lot, not all). It seems like they think that's what smart people do, and they want to feel smart.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
Greasemonkey and a few other extensions have made me so comfortable using firefox, I simply can't be bothered to switch. I thought about trying chrome. Are there any gesture based browsing extensions for it?
I installed Firefox on a co-workers personal laptop and told him he should use it and explained the benefits of Firefox over IE. A few weeks later he was back to using IE. I asked him why and he said he started getting more spam in his inbox.
/facepalm
While Gecko has been seeing tons of support from Mozilla, Firefox looks like s**t in comparison.
The f**king bookmarks menu is still s**t to manage with many bookmarks in it. At least in IE you get a scroll bar to quickly navigate the list.
Firefox STILL doesn't have Windows 7 shell integration. No jump lists, no progress in the task list. It just smacks of lazy development.
IE at least tries to have a build in XSS filter. With Firefox there are add-ins available. It's always add-ins.
IE had an advantage in tabs for years. Opening a tab next to the current tab is something that only found its way in to Firefox very recently. It is such a basic concept.
This all points to Mozilla's main problem. They keep focusing on implementing HTML 5 draft s**t when they need to focus on the user experience of getting to those pages that don't use HTML 5 yet anyway.
Ohh yay for you did you come up with this all by yourself or did you take it off one of the other hundreds of digg users who have said the same exact s**t?
Every customers machine i have to resetup windows on, i installed firefox, and delete the IE shortcut(but explain my actions to each customer) and rename Mozilla Firefox to "Internet Browser - Firefox"
Seems to help, otherwise i get phone calls saying i deleted their internet if its left as Mozilla Firefox, even after explaining to them they can still use IE anyways etc.
I'll be honest with you, i'm quite dissapointed with Firefox the last year. The browser is becoming more and more bloated, and it tends to run slower and slower on my computers. I am able to run IE8 and not see it eat up 500 - 600K of mem usage at one time. I hardly ever see IE over 200K in memory usage with the same amount of tabs open.
I HAVE to use IE more and more. Since 3.6.6, Firefox crashes on nearly every page I visit. I run zero add-ons. I'm thinking it might be flash related, but it is terribly annoying.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
I still use FF more often than any other browser. But when I want something fast nothing beats IE 8 64-bit version. FF is taking too long to make a 64-bit version.
Where did the people go that usually try to tell me that the majority can't be wrong?
IE and Big Mac is a proof that number of sales/market share != the best.
Although I am a heavy Firefox user, IE9 brings in some pretty nice features, including the compatibility with HTML 5. I too agree that IE will continue to grow, so Firefox would better do something fats, or who know we may have a surprise from Google....
I love how firefox actually feels...but I always find my self resorting to IE because firefox can never load my companies corporate website, and if it does, the text seems to clutter together.
I prefer to keep IE as my default browser. All linux distros come with Firefox as default, Mac OS comes with Safari as default, IE should get its fair chance. I also use Opera a lot but I never make it the default.
I use firefox but my yahoo toolbar is again not working. It happened after firefox was updated. It seems to happen every time firefox is updated which is a lot lately. One of my most wanted feature is the download video feature by real player. It now does not work with both firefox and chrome but works with ie8 so if I want a video from TED or from Charlie Rose I need to use ie8. It seems to me that every time a browser is updated I have to wait several days before the add-ons start working right and with so many updates it seem they do not work more than they do work.
0ldb0yAug 1, 2010
i think most users don't know what the difference between "e" and foxfire is.
doshindudeAug 2, 2010
Hell, there's a few people I know that just call IE "The Internet," mainly because when you set it as a shortcut, windows actually names it "Internet."
mike42979Aug 2, 2010
Hah my father calls his desktop the internet lol
netantAug 2, 2010
@mike42979
On ChromiumOS, the Internet is the desktop.
jasoncoxAug 2, 2010
Correction, it's not "e", it's "the big blue e".
:-P
quickgold192Aug 2, 2010
Well, more and more people I know who are completely computer-illiterate are becoming knowledgeable about the different browsers. On a public computer the other day at my workplace (where most people know very little about computers) there was a Chrome icon that had been renamed "Good Internet".
firefox15Aug 2, 2010
Yeah, why do people call it "FoxFire"? I never understood this. They do it all the time though.
rtmfengAug 2, 2010
E makes you warm and fuzzy, with the need to hug everyone
sirjohnmichalotAug 1, 2010
Watch out firefox, IE is rapin' errbody out here!
jackspadeAug 2, 2010
Finally a new meme. The internets was staring to get stale.
digg2point0Aug 2, 2010
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Closed AccountAug 3, 2010
derp.
7king7kingAug 2, 2010
it's been almost a year since i didn't use IE.
darkshroudAug 2, 2010
I pray English isn't your first language.
latinjonesAug 2, 2010
Sticking it to the man for a whole year now! Here's your reward...
tommyrAug 2, 2010
Firefox has chunks of Microsoft in it's stool.
IE blows dead buffalo.
monkeyvoodooAug 2, 2010
lolwut?
lightspeed10Aug 2, 2010
IE8 is better than firefox. but if you want to pretend to be technologically-savvy, you say you use firefox or chrome.
davidtcAug 2, 2010
Or if you want to just be cool with all the people you don't know on the internet.
deftone1516Aug 2, 2010
Does it have No-script or an equivalent?
If no, then STFU.
(this is partly a legitimate question).
mrteflonAug 2, 2010
And where was all this "wonderful" technology when they wouldn't even patch the ver 6 until they got some real competition from Firefox and others.
I think your just a Fanboi myself.
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deftone1516Aug 2, 2010
@MrTeflon Im not sure you understand. Or else you replied to the wrong comment. I was saying if IE8 doesn't have something like NoScript then it can go f**k itself in its port 80.
lightspeed10Aug 2, 2010
not only does IE8 have no-script, it was the FIRST to do it. it has Cross-Site scripting protection.
carbonetcAug 2, 2010
http://caniuse.com/
http://www.deepbluesky.com/blog/-/browser-support-for-css3-and-html5_72/
http://www.html5test.com/
Hey, at least we can look at broken websites securely.
darkfishAug 2, 2010
@LightSpeed10
Crippled privacy anyone?
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703467304575383530439838568.html
melthornalAug 2, 2010
Here is a simple test. Open internet explorer. Open Opera. type the url of some page you have never looked at before on either browser. Something like http://www.mybunnyfarm.com/monsterrabbits/
Click enter in IE. Click enter in Opera. As fast as you can. On my machine, Opera loads noticably faster. I can see the image of the man and his large bunny and begin scrolling down meanwhile IE is still a blank white page.
Opera is, quite simply, FASTER than IE.
jgoldberg49Aug 2, 2010
"better" is a relative term.
Still, IE commands a 60%+ market share and in those terms, I agree with you, IE is better than FF. For me, it's about the browser experience. It's a combination of speed, usability, stability, etc. And in those terms, FF is not only better than IE, but better than every other browser on the market.
denizen42Aug 2, 2010
popularity =/= virtue
nmanguyAug 2, 2010
Who gives a rip about speed? I KNOW that Firefox is slower, and that's okay for now. I'm willing to wait that burdensome, awful, terrible 2 seconds extra to launch my browser and 30 addons that make me spend LESS TIME on pointless crap when I use the web.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
mrkev150Aug 2, 2010
Hey, let's bury this guy because he tells the truth! I don't see a difference in speed when it comes to Chrome, IE, or Firefox. Maybe its because I have a fast computer.
I got rid of Chrome because it has nothing to really offer if I use both IE or Firefox. I use Firefox for normal everyday browsing and use IE for business reasons. To me, IE is more stable and compatible with the business oriented websites I use. Especially Javascripted sites such as Ebay's paypal shipping.
Firefox is nice for aesthetic purposes. The personas and some addons are pretty and at times useful, but not really required. Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
aminy23Aug 2, 2010
@ MrKev150 I have a quad-core proccessor at 3.33GHZ, and a 23 Mbps internet connection with very little latency, I have tried IE6, IE7, IE8, Firefox, and Chrome on Windows XP 32-bit; I have tried IE8, Chrome, and Firefox on Windows 7 64-bit; and I have tried 32-bit Firefox, and 64-bit chrome on Ubuntu 10.04. IE6 is significantly slower than all the others, and it takes a long time to load something big like Gmail. IE7, and IE8 are faster, but they still are slow. IE8 64 bit has no noticeable improvement over the 32-bit version from my experience. Firefox and Chrome have noticeably faster load times than all the IEs, but Google Chrome 64-bit on Linux rapes then all in the butt when it comes to speed. I can put in an address, and it loads it in less than the blink of an eye. Google Chrome 64-bit is like a whole new browsing experience because the pages load insanely fast, I just hope they make a 64-bit chrome for Windows soon.
path411Aug 2, 2010
Sorry you are wrong. IE8 is very behind firefox. All of IE8's supposed 'security' features takes a very hard tax on it's rendering and javascript engines, while firefox can use noscript (which is much more secure) and still demolish IE8 on speed.
Most importantly, IE8 doesn't even support basic CSS3 or HTML 5.
meedAug 2, 2010
Are you sure it isn't that people are switching to IE, but the fact that PC sales have been up lately and IE is the browser that MS bundles with windows 7, thus increasing the numbers of unique visitors?
lightspeed10Aug 2, 2010
people are switching to ie.
stillhateyouAug 2, 2010
[citation needed]
elranzerAug 2, 2010
People are using thei new PCs to fire up IE only ONCE to go to mozilla.com and download Firefox.
But Microsoft still counts that as IE "usage."Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
hardeep1singhAug 2, 2010
Like firefox counts every version update as a new download. Bury me but that's a fact.
atomic1fireAug 2, 2010
If people start moving to mac, Safari usage goes up.
Same with switching to windows 7,
IE6's usage rates have pretty much been ignored at this point, since the people who want to switch or decide to switch switched early on, when everyone was still using XP.
IE6 sucked, so most of the people who were using computers, switched just because it better,
Now people are switching to 7, don't worry about better, and IE8 has most of the features, aka search bar and tabs, that people switched for to begin with.
I know Search bar and tabs came with Internet explorer 7, but IE8 is the one everyone will see,
and that's how the usage rates will be driven up.
at least until people start pushing for 9, or people get tired of 8 and move to different browsers again, or chrome frame becomes popular
darkshroudAug 2, 2010
Firefox stagnated for some time coasting on their add-on library so Mozilla has been loosing market share.
smackydoodleAug 2, 2010
LOSING! Jesus.
nmanguyAug 2, 2010
No, you see, he meant that Mozilla no longer has such a tight grip on the market.
mrkev150Aug 2, 2010
smackydoodle... you beat me to it. f**k!
davidtcAug 2, 2010
If you are basing it on percentage, shouldn't the proper % move away from IE? Or do you think that just cause people are buying a new PC they decide to not use the browser they used before?
Closed AccountAug 2, 2010
If they haven't installed firefox themselves, when they buy a new computer IE will be the default.
myztryAug 2, 2010
Sooner or later the naive masses who dare not attempt something like changing browsers will call on a computer literate friend to fix a problem, and they will fix the issue of default browser while they are there.
darkshroudAug 2, 2010
@Myztry, when you fix PC for a living at a certain point you stop trying. People freak out when you change their settings. Add into that the complication that many banking & government sites only work properly with IE and it just a big mess.
And seriously f**k YOU to the people that think it's ok to change Firefox's icon to the IE icon and tell people it was an upgrade. This complicates the hell out of trouble shooting problems.
darkfishAug 2, 2010
@meed
This is why I distrust these stats. Do they take into account the fact that many new PC buyers a clueless or too lazy to find alternatives to IE? Yep, sounds like IE wins by default not by merit.
apjoAug 2, 2010
I agree with you that IE is the easiest way to go if your users don't care about speed and just want every link they encounter to work. However, I persist in my efforts to persuade them to move to Chrome, Safari or Firefox, in that order, because I believe they're going to need fast HTML5 performance in the next 12 months, and I don't want to bank on IE9 meeting the challenge. Maybe I'm just a masochist? Personally I'm using Safari (yes, Safari!) and Chrome mostly. Two days ago I got the Firefox 4.0 beta and liking it a lot. Truthfully, it's really a golden age for browsers, with four different platforms competing closely.
dusanmalAug 2, 2010
There is much more scientific way to disprove those stats: they are measured on way too small, artificially selected set of sites, each with limited and not average set of users. Such choice is by definition faulty .
atomic1fireAug 2, 2010
Just easier to encourage people to switch to mac
errorsAug 2, 2010
I went from Firefox back to IE. I have to be honest, all I really wanted was tabbed browsing. The security aspect is bulls**t if you know what you're doing and is only a real selling point for normal user base.
I know this, in my family's household. (2.. err, now 3 sisters, an aunt and a niece) there are constant arguments over Firefox and IE. Let them loose and they are split on what they prefer to use. IE feels quicker to all of them, Firefox is more stable to some but less reliable to others, they lose customizable backgrounds but hate how long it takes to open, and the fact that less sites seem to work.
Bash me if you want, I have a household of 6 computer illiterates, ranging in skill from 1 to about 4 (out of 10) to test statistics on, and some of them honestly prefer IE. Also, I'm not some bored jackass trying to shove what I prefer down their throats to 'fight the man', I just made them aware of Firefox and walked away.
I do know one thing, I have to fix their computers a lot less than I did 5 years ago, so they both IE and Firefox are doing their jobs, thank God.
kzamAug 2, 2010
good job, I would give you a cookie, but I ate it.
path411Aug 2, 2010
IE is much less secure, and it doesn't matter if you "know what you are doing". Popular forms of attacks are using sites you would normally trust, to infect your computer.
Not to mention IE8 is much slower than FF, as well as doesn't support any CSS3 or HTML5.
chrismgtisAug 2, 2010
You're a dunce son. That hasn't changed since Windows was first released with IE.
You nimrods and your lack of common sense fan boy attitude.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
thephosphorboxAug 2, 2010
Bingo. Windows 7 adoption is high, new PC sales are up. Most novice users have no idea there are other browsers (my parents would never have switched to Firefox if I hadn't tricked them into doing it).
darkshroudAug 2, 2010
Win7 comes with IE8 by default so its not really an issue when people stick with it.
deathfiredAug 2, 2010
If you buying from Dell or HP they also bundle other browsers now. It's not like it was 5 years ago lol.
taaybAug 2, 2010
That could be a possible explanation if you conclude that the majority of new PC sales are going to customers who have never owned PC's before and just boot up their computer and use whatever is available. I don't have any statistical information one way or the other but I find this highly unlikely. I would guess that the majority of the PC sales are repeat customers who are replacing their existing machines or businesses who are finally upgrading hardware and switching from XP. If this is the case then your conclusion is invalid because these repeat customers would not likely change browser habits just because they have purchased a new or secondary machine for use.
How many truly new/unique customers do we have anymore?Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
lightspeed10Aug 2, 2010
its not "microsoft internet explorer" its called windows internet explorer. bradit is an idiot
shanosAug 2, 2010
I love how nobody even mentions opera anymore.
lightspeed10Aug 2, 2010
opera, chrome, and safari have single digit marketshare. they arent worth mentioning.
melthornalAug 2, 2010
Actually, opera is the best browser out there at the moment. You are just too stupid to recognize a simple fact of life. Perhaps you also believe in faeries, true love, and happiness.
People use firefox because it used to be a good browser. Computer geeks went around saying 'IE is so evil, firefox is so great. Everyone use firefox.' It eventually got into peoples heads. Only problem is, computers change quickly. Opera and Chrome became amazing browsers, but the people were still in their Firefox hype mode. "What do you mean Opera/Chrome is better than firefox? Everyone is saying Firefox is the best! It must be the best! Clearly you are just an idiot!" No, you are just behind the times, angry internet mob. You are behind the times. Firefox was the s**t! Four years ago. It is time to move on. Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
lightspeed10Aug 2, 2010
melthornal i agree with what you say, opera is the better of the 3. i still dont agree that chrome is better than anything though. it looks like a blue blob with fisher price buttons, incompatible with so many sites, crashes, etc.
plus its a browser from an ad company.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
runningflame570Aug 2, 2010
Since the guy is clearly a troll, I'll just say the following and move on: Firefox is better than it has ever been and looks to get better still in the near future.
zb757Aug 2, 2010
You don't capitalize your sentences. You're the idiot
gieverAug 2, 2010
Opera doesn't let me change certain things I want to be able to do, like middle-click bookmarks to open them in new tabs. I know I can shift click or whatever, but I don't f**king want to, I want to middle click cause sometimes I browse like while leaning against my chin (or masturbating!), so it's nice to be able to customize that. Also I've gotten used to and would like to find a way to scroll through my tabs by hovering over the tab bar and scrolling, while the right-click + scroll is nice, it's a bit different and doesn't give me the same type of usability I'm after, as well as a few other things.
The truth is that any -big- difference between browsers is negligible now, and I'd rather have the options that I'm used to/feel work better than get a tiny bit of speed or faster javascript, or have 2-3 webpages render more properly.
melthornalAug 2, 2010
Mouse gestures. Enough said.
scy1192Aug 2, 2010
@mel
I agree that Opera is probably the best browser (at least for my needs it is), but your execution was WAY lacking.
zb757Aug 2, 2010
I think it is sloppy reporting
jgoldberg49Aug 2, 2010
ope..wut?
veriixAug 2, 2010
Opera's market share is 100%
...of wii owners
scabnabbitAug 2, 2010
"According to new statistics from Net Applications, Internet Explorer (Internet Explorer) increased its share of the browser market in July by 0.42%..."
That amazing. I guess the rest should throw in the towel and save themselves embarrassment now.
Increase in IE % = People buying PCs (with Win7), and either not knowing how (& not have the local "computer nerd" handy or being too lazy.
stillhateyouAug 2, 2010
0.42% sounds statistically insignificant.
lightspeed10Aug 2, 2010
0.4% of all computers in a single month is not insignificant
w3berAug 2, 2010
Net Applications is USA centric
Stat Counter show the same in USA http://gs.statcounter.com/#browser-US-monthly-200906-201007
but in Europe, IE is still losing marketshare http://gs.statcounter.com/#browser-eu-monthly-200906-201007
branditaAug 2, 2010
Most people don't even know that they are using a browser let alone that they can choose one.
nathanchAug 2, 2010
Firefox 3 is way too bulky, so I don't blame them. The next version looks like a step in the right direction though.
deathfiredAug 2, 2010
Not sure why you're getting dugg down. I too have noticed a major decrease in Firefox bootup time and stability when I upgraded to 3.5. It's consistently gotten worse with each update too. Firefox staff blame this on security measures they've added that trigger upon startup but I seriously cant wait 10+ seconds for a browser to load just to freeze for another 10 seconds to a min while it's trying to load in the 10 tabs I had open before. People are shifting to other browsers because of these "small" issues that Firefox has. Firefox isn't the speedy amazing browser that it used to be. I can only hope that their next major version fixes these problems.
clippclopAug 2, 2010
Yeah, I have this thing where every time I open a new tab or close one, firefox just freezes completely for a few seconds. It's not long enough to make you want to punch the computer, but enough that it's annoying. This is a fresh install of windows 7 x64 on a wuad core and 4 gigs of ram.
nmanguyAug 2, 2010
Yeah, if speed and RAM are your main concerns, Firefox is not your best bet. But I use it anyway, because the extra boot time and 120MB of memory (seriously, I have four gigs, and that's the "normal" amount now) are definitely worth it for the addons. Adblock plus, flashblock, lastpass, xmarks, BBCode, image zoom, fasterfox, an onscreen ruler are the standard ones, and I even have obscure ones like the Newegg Camel and tin eye search.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
hiltonizerAug 2, 2010
I use pretty beefy machines, and all too often Firefox takes longer to fire up from scratch than Photoshop or Matlab. The beta for 4 seems to be an improvement, but I believe a lot of functionality is still disabled?
I still prefer Firefox by far over everything else, but its overall sluggishness is making me question that.
pimnlAug 2, 2010
I switched to Chrome because Firefox was getting too slow..
And now that i use Chrome there is no reason to go back to Firefox, because i'm satisfied with my browser.
me1000Aug 2, 2010
Sex is good?
nmanguyAug 2, 2010
You either made a good choice or are a moron. If you don't really use addons, then you're better off. If you depended on 40 them, and switched only for the quicker startup, then you're a moron. But since you said you have no reason to go back, I'll assume you are the former, not the latter.
IllBeBackAug 2, 2010
I don't use Chrome, but I have tried it a few times in the past. It is not only faster in the initial startup of the application but also in the rendering of pages and far, far faster in the execution of JavaScript.
drex8Aug 2, 2010
Chrome is my browser too currently. But I have a feeling that it's been phoning home a lot.
ayeroxorAug 2, 2010
If lady ada is so cool, howcome she can't afford to remove the shrapnel from her face?
madbadgerAug 3, 2010
I tried Chrome, but didn't find it to be faster or crash less than Firefox. (I consider myself a power surfer with average of 10-20 tabs open on average).
darkshroudAug 2, 2010
IE8 is good enough for the majority of people so they don't give a damn. If you need more proof look at the simple fact that the browser ballet box in Europe really didn't hurt IE's market share.
When IE9 comes out and is both standards compliance (real standards not the Acid3 test that's out of date) and fast what will you guys bitch about then?
lightspeed10Aug 2, 2010
ie9 is already way faster than any firefox build ever, and is also faster than chrome for html5. the UI is not public yet but with every product microsoft has revealed lately, it seems its going to be quite nice.
darkshroudAug 2, 2010
Yes I've been trying each preview version as they've been released. They load digg faster than any other browser I've tried. The idea of hardware acceleration for all scripting/markup as well as SVG & Canvas is very sweet.
As I said it will be interesting to see what people will bitch about then.
toxicityjAug 2, 2010
I'm curious what people are bitching about now. IE8 is decent enough. It's a little clunky at times, but then again so is Firefox. It's not 100% standards compliant, but it's a leaps and bounds beyond IE6/7 and just as easy to code for as Firefox/Chrome are. Chromes the easiest though.
thumbmaster021Aug 2, 2010
The problem with IE 8 is not it's interface, it's its crappy horrific "Welcome to IE8" browser message that pops up every...single...time the browser turns on, even if you go through the setup. It also(understandably) just feels slower then other browsers. Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
toxicityjAug 2, 2010
It has always gone away after the initial setup and changing of my homepage.
gagegeAug 2, 2010
I wouldn't say it's "just as easy" to code for.
mojohacker2010Aug 2, 2010
Seriously, stop complaining and whining about every little damn thing. I know it was popular to hate Microsoft and stuff, but at least be fair. They've have been sued and shackled by every major government on the planet regarding windows/IE/office. At least its founders are doing good things with their wealth unlike other greedy pigs (Ellison from Oracle and Jobs from Apple).
deathfiredAug 2, 2010
I think once IE9 comes out people will stop bitching so much about IE's lack of standards, at least developers anyway. I think in the future the bitching will be directed more towards stability, speed, and usability.
i8beefAug 2, 2010
And on that day, I will do a freaking backflip.
Wait... I'm sorry... when IE requires you to upgrade to IE9 on startup, I will do a backflip.
Good for IE to finally get to a place it should have been years ago. Unfortunately, the amount of time it'll take people to upgrade to it means that us developers won't really see a benefit from it until IE6 and 7 are completely gone.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
w3berAug 2, 2010
IE doesn't work on linux.. so i still have something to bitch about X-)
path411Aug 2, 2010
I am kind of worried that IE9 is the next gen browser I'm most excited about. Let's just hope they add something similar to no-script, and they keep up with the other browsers.
Sure, they might release on top of the browser market, but with a 2+ year update cycle, the other browsers will quickly jump ahead of them.
Closed AccountAug 2, 2010
aww, f**k....
i just upgraded to IE8 because the company i work for is stuck in the 90's and doesn't know how to write an intranet application on any other browser....
my bad.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
mcphilipAug 2, 2010
i only use firefox at work when i have to make sure my code is cross browser compliant. firefox got way too slow and bulky shortly after chrome came out. bad move, mozilla.
robert99aAug 2, 2010
i use IE6
woollymittensAug 2, 2010
Convince me why the websites I make should work 100% perfectly on your 10 year old browser.
eurynom0sAug 2, 2010
DIE IN A FIRE
Closed AccountAug 2, 2010
retro cool
nard3456Aug 2, 2010
big deal i use ie 3. honestly they never should have changed it.
http://i.imgur.com/oJiux.jpg
path411Aug 2, 2010
Can I have your address so I can burn your house down as you sleep?
skews13Aug 2, 2010
That's because firefox sucks. I tried it, and the amount of malware that gets through is irritating. I swithched back to ie8, and am now waiting for ie9. Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
rustedoutAug 2, 2010
Chrome, Firefox, Opera-- ANYTHING BUT internet exploder.
Uh, lemme guess, same folks using IE use O.E. ??
dougman82Aug 2, 2010
One reason my Dad uses IE8 is because the browser skin is all translucent-y to go with the Aero effect of Vista/7. He simply thinks it looks better. I'm pretty sure Firefox is shooting for those effects in FF4, but not sure.
zb757Aug 2, 2010
Or Opera. Set speed dial background to transparent
raydeenAug 2, 2010
Tell your dad to buy a Mac if he's that concerned with making things look pretty.
schoate09Aug 2, 2010
I personally find a universal Aero Windows 7 theme better looking than the mish mosh of gray in OS X.
mrkev150Aug 2, 2010
I agree with schoate09. Mac OS X doesn't look as nice as it did when it first came out. Even Vista Ultimate with Aero, widgets and Dreamscene surpassed OSX's aesthetics.
Closed AccountAug 2, 2010
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/12951/
path411Aug 2, 2010
firefox also has themes.
purplelanternAug 2, 2010
Statistics is rolling over in its grave: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statistical_significance
stolemybikeAug 2, 2010
From the netmarketshare site:
"We use a unique methodology for collecting this data. We collect data from the browsers of site visitors to our exclusive on-demand network of live stats customers. The data is compiled from approximately 160 million visitors per month. The information published is an aggregate of the data from this network of hosted website statistics. The site unique visitor and referral information is summarized on a monthly, weekly, daily and hourly basis."
160 million visitors per month is not a random sample, it is the full population of site visitors. Thus, the result is inherently "statistically significant". It is absolutely, 100% certain that they saw an increase in the number of IE users to the sites that they collect data from.
Now, what remains to be asked is only whether or not this is a trend based on some real lasting change in the dynamics of the browser wars, or whether something like an increase in PC sales and new computer users is the culprit.
kevinmaloneAug 2, 2010
Best use for IE is to download Firefox/Chrome.
mrkev150Aug 2, 2010
As secondary browsers?
dreamvsps2Aug 2, 2010
firefox has been crashing on me so i switched to ie. thumbs down?
casualtAug 2, 2010
So download Chrome.
ventralnetAug 2, 2010
firefox was probably crashing on you due to plugins
siafuAug 2, 2010
The reasons to use Firefox aren't as compelling as they once where. However, Firefoxes upcoming tab candy feature could make it the must use browser once again.
http://www.azarask.in/blog/post/tabcandy/
aldangaAug 2, 2010
Not for me. I close my tabs when I'm done with them. When I leave my computer, my browser is almost always closed.
darkshroudAug 2, 2010
Open IE8 and load a couple of pages in different tabs and then press Ctrl+Q or hit the button at the start of the tabs.
http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/6918/ietabpreview.png
barrettandersonAug 2, 2010
First of all, I'm a web developer, and let me say that my judgment of browser performance as far as a user is concerned does not necessarily reflect my judgment as far as a web developer is concerned. That said, I know I'll get buried down to the core of the Earth for this one, but...
IE 8 is actually a very good browser. It's fast and has some great and intuitive features built right in.
I put IE above firefox any day, but I did recently switch to Chrome for most casual browsing.
A lot of people switch to firefox without really knowing why they are doing so (a lot, not all). It seems like they think that's what smart people do, and they want to feel smart.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
masterspeeksAug 2, 2010
Greasemonkey and a few other extensions have made me so comfortable using firefox, I simply can't be bothered to switch. I thought about trying chrome. Are there any gesture based browsing extensions for it?
catchpenAug 2, 2010
I installed Firefox on a co-workers personal laptop and told him he should use it and explained the benefits of Firefox over IE. A few weeks later he was back to using IE. I asked him why and he said he started getting more spam in his inbox.
/facepalm
lemonfireAug 2, 2010
BDU! Tell him that spammers and virus writers love people like him. :)
shadicAug 2, 2010
Wow... That's like complaining that your gas mileage went down because you switched from eating green grapes to purple ones during lunch.
bloodwineAug 2, 2010
Most likely due to people buying Windows 7.
gilbesAug 2, 2010
You've got Firefox, and then you have Gecko.
While Gecko has been seeing tons of support from Mozilla, Firefox looks like s**t in comparison.
The f**king bookmarks menu is still s**t to manage with many bookmarks in it. At least in IE you get a scroll bar to quickly navigate the list.
Firefox STILL doesn't have Windows 7 shell integration. No jump lists, no progress in the task list. It just smacks of lazy development.
IE at least tries to have a build in XSS filter. With Firefox there are add-ins available. It's always add-ins.
IE had an advantage in tabs for years. Opening a tab next to the current tab is something that only found its way in to Firefox very recently. It is such a basic concept.
This all points to Mozilla's main problem. They keep focusing on implementing HTML 5 draft s**t when they need to focus on the user experience of getting to those pages that don't use HTML 5 yet anyway.
If Mozilla wants to stop loosing users they need to freeze Gecko and work on Firefox for a bit.
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jgoldberg49Aug 2, 2010
IE8 doesn't even extensively support HTML5. What's wrong with you people?!
darkshroudAug 2, 2010
HTML5 & CSS3 are not finalized yet. It's really bulls**t that they are not done but that's why IE doesn't really support it.
Closed AccountAug 2, 2010
I was wondering where all the FF Fanbois went!!!!!
jalhAug 2, 2010
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factorof13Aug 2, 2010
Does anybody really care all that much what browser other people use?
eurynom0sAug 2, 2010
It's all the IE users making the internet suck.
eurynom0sAug 2, 2010
I wish they'd tell you what version of IE, as long as it's not IE 6 I don't care.
bracomadarAug 2, 2010
IE is great...for downloading another browser.
mike42979Aug 2, 2010
Ohh yay for you did you come up with this all by yourself or did you take it off one of the other hundreds of digg users who have said the same exact s**t?
cirokAug 2, 2010
Every customers machine i have to resetup windows on, i installed firefox, and delete the IE shortcut(but explain my actions to each customer) and rename Mozilla Firefox to "Internet Browser - Firefox"
Seems to help, otherwise i get phone calls saying i deleted their internet if its left as Mozilla Firefox, even after explaining to them they can still use IE anyways etc.
feverhostAug 2, 2010
I'll be honest with you, i'm quite dissapointed with Firefox the last year. The browser is becoming more and more bloated, and it tends to run slower and slower on my computers. I am able to run IE8 and not see it eat up 500 - 600K of mem usage at one time. I hardly ever see IE over 200K in memory usage with the same amount of tabs open.
At first Firefox blew away IE and memory consumption, but over the last few builds.. it's getting slower and slower.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
wbeavisAug 2, 2010
I HAVE to use IE more and more. Since 3.6.6, Firefox crashes on nearly every page I visit. I run zero add-ons. I'm thinking it might be flash related, but it is terribly annoying.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
path411Aug 2, 2010
User ID-10T error?
wbeavisAug 2, 2010
No, the Error code was actually PEBKAC.
rxbudianAug 2, 2010
I think, there's going to be a new trend of doing away with bookmarks when FF tab candy comes out.
skinturtleAug 2, 2010
Yup..I have had to atop using FF on my Mac and switch to Chrome because of the crashing.
camilos007Aug 2, 2010
I still use FF more often than any other browser. But when I want something fast nothing beats IE 8 64-bit version. FF is taking too long to make a 64-bit version.
aminy23Aug 2, 2010
Chrome has a 64-bit version for linux, and it is by far the fastest browser I have seen.
blindbirdsAug 2, 2010
I rather use lynx for my entire life than switch back to IE for even 1 minute
aminy23Aug 2, 2010
64bit chrome on linux kicks ass.
nova437Aug 2, 2010
Well Firefox 4 sure won't help..
generalalcazarAug 2, 2010
oh, no. no. no.... ..... nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(runs screaming incoherently into the night)
mahlerAug 2, 2010
http://www.nooooooooooooooo.com/
ronnisrAug 2, 2010
Where did the people go that usually try to tell me that the majority can't be wrong?
IE and Big Mac is a proof that number of sales/market share != the best.
sbpromaniaAug 2, 2010
Although I am a heavy Firefox user, IE9 brings in some pretty nice features, including the compatibility with HTML 5. I too agree that IE will continue to grow, so Firefox would better do something fats, or who know we may have a surprise from Google....
veritasxeAug 2, 2010
I love how firefox actually feels...but I always find my self resorting to IE because firefox can never load my companies corporate website, and if it does, the text seems to clutter together.
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hardeep1singhAug 2, 2010
I prefer to keep IE as my default browser. All linux distros come with Firefox as default, Mac OS comes with Safari as default, IE should get its fair chance. I also use Opera a lot but I never make it the default.
rglarson13Aug 2, 2010
Firefox is such a slow, bloated monstrosity now. Sure, it renders tables better than IE, but that's about it.
Chrome, FTW!
rickthebrickAug 2, 2010
I use firefox but my yahoo toolbar is again not working. It happened after firefox was updated. It seems to happen every time firefox is updated which is a lot lately. One of my most wanted feature is the download video feature by real player. It now does not work with both firefox and chrome but works with ie8 so if I want a video from TED or from Charlie Rose I need to use ie8. It seems to me that every time a browser is updated I have to wait several days before the add-ons start working right and with so many updates it seem they do not work more than they do work.