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genericdiggerJul 21, 2010
I like how 15 y/o kids can now outsmart Apple.
shirukenJul 21, 2010
Pretty much proves the app verification process is really limited. How the hell could you not notice the code that obviously has nothing to do with the "flashlight" function of the app?
gdj11Jul 21, 2010
That was my favorite part of the story too.
artworkz918Jul 21, 2010
they have to have something to do since they'd grown bored of outsmarting microsoft for the last 10 years
factsahoyJul 21, 2010
Oh really? Amazing how, in 20 years, they haven't figured out how to make windows resizable from any edge or corner like Microsoft. Or how they haven't been able to field a development tool that approaches Microsoft's from 20 years ago.
I guess this explains why Mac users are stuck with a glaring 20-year-old color scheme and can't change it, while Windows users have been able to set up their own color schemes that whole time.
Need we get into the pathetic history of Apple mice?
Thought not.
masterkhaxJul 21, 2010
You're quite the little Windows fanboy/bitch ^
envexJul 21, 2010
@factsahoy: Your only argument was the ability to change the themes. Seriously? No, you gotta be joking. He's joking, right people?
soopaflyJul 21, 2010
@factsahoy WooHooo! Comic Sans as default system font!! Suck it Apple.
MySpace is better than Facebook because I can customize the background by haxing the CSS scriptz.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
tenarethJul 22, 2010
@factsahoy, Microsoft still doesn't have most of the window functionality of X from 30 years ago, so pot -> kettle.
lwhassellJul 22, 2010
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scoobiesJul 22, 2010
I have always considered Mac as being good for people who are not interested in and not skilled with using computers. Windows is for PC gamers and companies who made a decision to use windows years ago and haven't reviewed their decision. And unix are for people who want to use their computer to the full and don't mind learning a lot about how to use their computers.
Generalizations, I know, but it seems to be right more than 50% of the time.
mymoustacheJul 22, 2010
mac is unix
Closed AccountAug 2, 2010
Appledudes be angry.
ayeroxorAug 4, 2010
APPLE FANBOI RAAAAAAAAAGE!
linespinJul 21, 2010
The kid did not outsmart Apple. The kid outsmarted a rep in the approval dept to click thumbs up instead of thumbs down. If the kid would outsmart Apple the app would still be in the store w/o Apple being able to ban it.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
locondcocoJul 21, 2010
"The kid outsmarted a rep in the approval dept"
and the rep is an Apple employee, meaning, he outsmarted Apple. Its no the kid's fault the approvers didnt catch on.
arfikeJul 22, 2010
No locondcoco, he meant the kid didn't actually outsmart the Apple. You know, the Apple, like the icon? The Apple. The kid didn't outsmart the Apple. Apple employees and the Apple are not the same thing.
I tried to outsmart the Apple once. Couldn't get it to talk to me, though.
higherlogicJul 21, 2010
That's like saying a cop stole drugs from the evidence locker, and because he's a government employee, that the government stole drugs from an evidence locker; which is obviously not true.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
linespinJul 21, 2010
hmm.. ok.. if thats is considered outsmarting "Apple" then everyone can outsmart apple. Every developer can put easter eggs into their applications that won't get noticed in the approval process since the source code is not read by the approvers.
feelmypimphandJul 22, 2010
fanboy much?
texmexrexJul 21, 2010
Makes you wonder why MS can't.
abreemanJul 21, 2010
They already did. re: corporate world
mabakerbrakerJul 21, 2010
The same goes for Google Symbian-copying and data stealing mess of a mobile OS.
papacody333Jul 22, 2010
I hate to be "that guy" (especially since I use a PC) but Apple passed up Microsoft recently. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/26/apple-market-cap-surpasse_n_590854.htmlComment is buried, click here to see the rest.
klowngoblinJul 22, 2010
funny, on my TouchPro2 i dont have to f**k around with stupid apps, tethering is built in through either USB, Bluetooth PAN or WiFi (using energy rom)
if i wasnt using a 3rd party rom i would have USB or PAN for tethering, apple f**king blows. no file browser? seriously? are their users that retarded?
arfikeJul 22, 2010
Yeah, pretty retarded actually.
norman619Jul 22, 2010
Papa: LOL!!! MS owns the home and business desktop business. Apple is a HARDWARE and software company. MS, until recently has only been a SOFTWARE company. Comparing the two is silly. If you want to compare their competing products fine but please try to have a little perspective.
fairdinkummateJul 22, 2010
@PapaCody - With a 5 year average price to earnings ration of 30 times compared to the stock market average of 12, Apple is significantly overvalued & has been for a number of years. Unlike Microsoft, when Apple's fanboys stop buying & it's earnings drop even a little, this ratio will skyrocket & its shareprice tumble.
Measuring revenues, costs & resulting profits is how you value a company - an inflated shareprice valuation is just a huge loss waiting to happen.
masterkhaxJul 21, 2010
Yup, he outsmarted the entire company with this one app. Way to not be able to see through the sensationalist headline because it has to do with Apple :)Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
amazingsteveJul 22, 2010
JOBS MOB. ASSEMBLE!!!!
jeexbitJul 21, 2010
actually they've been doing it for years...
encephalonJul 22, 2010
This is news?
menoyouJul 22, 2010
Well Apple products are designed for 14 year olds so it's only natural.
bosskeyJul 22, 2010
You mean like most of the Digg staff?
(the office is full of Macs)
sexyboboJul 22, 2010
14y/o and hipsters (same mentality level)
maccawaccaJul 22, 2010
i don't understand how you thought that would be an insult... if a 14 year old find it easy to use it's well designed because well designed things are by nature easy to use....Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
Closed AccountJul 22, 2010
@maccawacca... easy to use doesn't necessarily mean better, especially when it's that way because they took away all the advanced options they feel you don't need to change.
maccawaccaJul 22, 2010
i use mac, windows and linux and can say that mac osx is the best of the three. The only down side is the price but in every other department they are leading. Sometimes it's not about the specs but the actual usability and stability.
If you have a problem with the locked down iphone just jailbreak it. No big deal
bosskeyJul 22, 2010
If you want all the advanced options, just open the Terminal and start typing.
If Macs are designed for 14 year olds, then why has there been such an upsurge of Macs at Unix conferences?
Closed AccountJul 22, 2010
He didn't outsmart them idiot, It was digused...and hidden...It would have been different if he went 1 on1 against apple. They would win.
GTFO
thesonofdarwinJul 22, 2010
The Greeks didn't rape the Trojans, they were disguised.. and hidden... it would have been different if they went 1 on 1 against the Trojans because the Trojans would win.
Losing by any other name is still losing.
marrowmanJul 22, 2010
Now that is an apropos analogy, maybe now morons won't comment with f**king stupid comments.
Closed AccountJul 22, 2010
Cry more?
Btw you look like a fagot in your profile picture marrowman.
raznogJul 22, 2010
except it seems like in this scenario the 'greeks' lost.... Looks like apple took the app down. Guess the 'trojans' won.
atarioJul 24, 2010
I was about 15 when I outsmarted them too. That's roughly when I realized Apple stuff was overpriced and overhyped.
originalmadmattAug 10, 2010
didnt a dude with half a brain outsmart billy gates o.o
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1132290/
namja23Jul 21, 2010
Gah, I wish I knew about this before.
sparky9292Jul 21, 2010
Just in case people didn't know, free tethering has existed on Jailbroken iPhones for a long time:
PdaNET
http://www.junefabrics.com/iphone/index.php
MyWi
http://www.intelliborn.com/Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
ayeroxorAug 4, 2010
How is it not common belief that most people who use Apple products are not capable or interested in doing anything beyond the most rudimentary of functions?
Closed AccountJul 22, 2010
@namja23
Um google "handy light ipa"
If you know about computers and iphone's you should know what to do from there...( Example : If your phone is jail broken, download an iphone file browser on google, plug your phone in, transfer the handy light app from your computer and transfer it over then install it through your installer (installulous ) very easy.
Closed AccountJul 22, 2010
If you're jailbroken, you probably already have a full-fledged/free tethering app, with no tricks or hidden gems. At least, I'd hope so. No reason to get this when PDANet works like a charm.
orky7Jul 21, 2010
what the f**k ATT extra $20 for surfing net on computer. really u r a sucker.
stickyheadJul 21, 2010
No, the suckers are the people who pay $20 for functionality the phone should have for free.
intelno001Jul 22, 2010
Really? WiMAX should be free? Seems hard to justify the billions spent on building the 4G network, but sure, yeah. Free.
crocodile7Jul 22, 2010
@intelno001
Cellphone companies should be in the business of providing the data connection and delivering bytes back and forth. It's none of their business whatsoever how I decide use such a connection. They are trying to impose artificial restrictions which improve profits and stifle innovation.
eihwazJul 22, 2010
The phone has it for free: in Italy I can use the tethering on my iPhone without paying a dime.
It's ATT's fault if you have to pay.
Closed AccountJul 22, 2010
@intelno001.... I'm already paying for unlimited data, so how is tethered data any different?
asshopoJul 21, 2010
Jailbreak + mywi ($10) = iphone hotspot. Works just fine and I don't pay an additional $20 to AT&T every month. *shrugs*
Closed AccountJul 21, 2010
or just root any android phone and have it built in for free.
moducJul 21, 2010
@Rivetgeek "or just root any android phone and have it built in for free."
That's what I plan to do. However, is there a chance of getting caught? I really don't want them to take my house away if they somehow find out. Also, is it true it can brick the phone? Sure, any thing can, but does it happen often, or pretty much safe?
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tills13Jul 21, 2010
Put Froyo on it and you'll have no issues. The carrier can't stop you from using features that are built into the OS.
worktruckJul 21, 2010
Caught would pretty much mean "hey look you want this feature okay sure we'll just automatically add it to the bill" ran my Nexus One on the 15 dollar plan until they made me switch to the 30 dollar plan.
Getting caught tethering or using your phone as a wifi hotspot would be tricky, but I wouldn't put it past at&t to start blanket charging on everything. Currently I use those service without being charged along with text via Google voice and navigation with Google maps.
trancephreakJul 21, 2010
Or just have the Nexus 1 on t-mobile and it's just built in.
klowngoblinJul 22, 2010
windows mobile has this OUT OF THE BOX (USB or Bluetooth PAN), you dont have to root or jail break or do anything stupid.
asshopoJul 22, 2010
Ugh, ok, everyone has valid arguments except klowngoblin. Windows Mobile is f**king garbage. I've had 4 Windows phones on 3 different networks and every one of them were s**tty. Sorry, Windows Mobile can not, and never will, compete with iphone or android. And no, it didn't do it out of the box, you had to find a version of wifirouter that they didn't charge for and then it killed the battery either way.
golgothaJul 24, 2010
My un-rooted Nexus One acts as its own wireless access point for...free, without any additional software. Thanks Froyo!
wolferzJul 21, 2010
why are you guys specifying ATT? Last I checked every carrier wants extra money for this feature.
Oh right... i forgot how digg loves to hate on AT&T. Never mind, carry on.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
jonprojectJul 21, 2010
Not Rogers in Canada. Tethering has been free so far here for the last year or so.
mikenoseworthyJul 22, 2010
Same on Bell.
wolferzJul 21, 2010
Hmm... any chance they would be coming state side one day?
joebusJul 21, 2010
Verizon allows me to tether for free on my phone too.
exaltedbladderJul 22, 2010
@JonProject
Yeah, but I'm still running Cupcake on my HTC Magic.
Closed AccountJul 22, 2010
Joebus, what plan do you have? Verizon wanted to charge me $20 when I asked them last month
darkstar3333Jul 22, 2010
Tether is free in Canada, Rogers, Bell and Telus leverage no charges against us.
However our data packages are a fraction of yours, most people at most rock 1GB/month.
gctoinfinityJul 22, 2010
never had a problem with it with my n1 on tmobile.
jeffdJul 22, 2010
@John
We have tethering free in Canada because our data plans are stupidly expensive compared to the rest of the world (even including the US who is worse off than most). Basically Rogers doesn't mind tyou tethering because it means you'll be more likely to rack up even higher data charges.
ayeroxorAug 4, 2010
Hate on? Are you some 16-year-old wannabe rapper?
danmkJul 21, 2010
Up here in Canada its free to tether on Rogers. Pretty useful when traveling I find.
nikorf11Jul 22, 2010
too bad rogers is the f**kin' Devil up here.
kardallJul 22, 2010
Every Canadian carrier is the devil to someone else. It's purely opinion.
I am on Telus and I am on a $65 plan that gives 1gb/mo. tethering included. Problem is, the tethering option != HSPA speeds. It's limited to 500kbps. I don't know why.
I plug it into my PC, and I get 500kbps connection. If it's a 'tethering' limitation built into the iphone itself, there has to be a way to unlock it.
Of course, even with that, I played WoW for 2 days, and it went to around 600MB of data usage for the month so... ya... not the greatest thing since sliced bread.
ymegJul 22, 2010
People who buy from Apple generally don't have any concept of money or ownership. AT&T is just being smart.
cosmicrJul 22, 2010
I quite literally can't understand why they make you pay extra? Here in Australia I went into the apple store and asked them to 'activate' tethering for my service (only ever hearing about American iphones). They looked at me funny and said 'you don't need to activate it, you just do it'.
Can anyone tell me how they justify the cost?
bjornskiJul 23, 2010
Capitalism. What the market will bear.
A fool and his money are soon parted.
mrbabyman6Jul 22, 2010
It's not for the extra money.. It's to keep you people from overloading the network by using a mobile feature that wasn't really designed for computers... Knowing the way Americans like to browse the web.. it makes perfect sense.
Only boggles one's mind as to what the hell you people do with that bandwidth though..
And no, you're not downloading the latest Ubuntu distribution.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
jeffdJul 22, 2010
No, its because Rogers charges nearly double what AT&T does for data. They don't mind you tethering for free because they make significantly more money from overages and data use than any American providers do.
AT&T 2GB $25 USD
Ropers 2GB $45CAD = $42USD
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Closed AccountJul 22, 2010
What do you mean "you people?" Perhaps we're using that bandwidth to blind-digg all our friends submissions at the rate of 40 per minute like your namesake?
andreoJul 22, 2010
Funny how the network suddenly can handle computers and laptops when your paying an extra $20 - $30.
Data is data. If i go to Youtube or Digg on my phone vs my laptop, I'm still going to Youtube or Digg. I'm still loading the same content. And with the caps in place there should be even less of a reason to charge extra for tethering.
sewermuttJul 21, 2010
f**k Apple.
Closed AccountJul 21, 2010
I regret buying an Iphone 3G and contributing to this Apple's wealth. f**k apple indeed. I'm exchanging my phone with an android phone in near future.
batonryeJul 21, 2010
Why do you give a crap how wealthy Apple is? Why not just buy the phone you like the most?
I don't understand the whole "corporate martyr" thing.
nikorf11Jul 22, 2010
why do you give a crap what he's doing with his phone company?
asoap69Jul 22, 2010
It's like the opposite of a boycott. You try to support companies that you think deserve it. Why do I need to explain this?
gerrylazloJul 22, 2010
So which are the saintly benevolent phone companies that deserve it again? Sweet crap just buy the phone you want and switch off.
Closed AccountJul 22, 2010
@everyone
when I bought iphone I didnt know Apple would block developers from doing what phone already can do. With Android it's not the case, please correct me if i'm wrong. Not allowing tethering solely to make more money while phone already is able to do it = seriously f**king with my purchase and my choise, + extraction of money from me by Apple. So, yeah, that and many other reasons that I learned since I purchased.
gerrylazloJul 22, 2010
Not allowing tethering without paying is an ATT decision, you knob. Mainly because their network can't keep up.
bjornskiJul 23, 2010
@gerrylazlo
Sure they can, if you pay more.
pcoteJul 21, 2010
It's more like "f**k AT&T" because they are the one who Apple are dealing with. The network belongs to them so they probably had to agree on those terms. I hope these things will change in the near future though. Internet should be universal and free anywhere you are. It should be a community service that everyone has the right to use, like a library.
Closed AccountJul 21, 2010
Didn't Apple renew their contract with AT&T recently..?
moducJul 21, 2010
I think it's not Apple, but rather AT&T, and most of the carrier. They made Apple do it. I don't want to defend Apple, but what Apple got to gain restricting you from some network Apple doesn't own?
jdf48Jul 21, 2010
Sorry, as much as Apple sucks sometimes, this is AT&T.
paradigm1220Jul 21, 2010
f**k Gizmodo.
jdf48Jul 21, 2010
Apple makes money by selling this app, so I'm sure they would love to keep it in the store. I'm not sure, but I don't believe that Apple makes money from the $20 tethering fee.
skinny01Jul 21, 2010
To the core?
anesta1Jul 21, 2010
Every time someone sees my HTC legend they say: "Is that thing like an Iphone?" I used to start to explain all the reasons why it is better than an iphone but they'd usually interrupt and say "why didn't you just get a real Iphone" Now I just sigh, die a little inside and say "yes it is like an iphone"
so yes, f**k apple
masterkhaxJul 21, 2010
OoOOoooO we're on Digg so you can say that and have all your PC user buddies Digg you up in a massive circlejerk until you have hundreds of Diggs and feel good about yourself, Nice :)Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
benofaffleckJul 22, 2010
So what are you in all this? In one comment you've managed to lay out the ground rules and present your ass for spanking.
bjornskiJul 23, 2010
@masterkhax
Wow, you really need a nap.
mabakerbrakerJul 21, 2010
Android drones never cease to amaze with their vocabulary.
Closed AccountJul 21, 2010
At least they aren't suckered into paying for overpriced technology just because it has an Apple logo on it...
gerrylazloJul 22, 2010
Ah Digg. So full of meaningful debate.
demdudeJul 22, 2010
Many Android phones cost the same as the iPhone while having less internal memory and an otherwise equal or lesser featureset. Does that mean Fandroids are "suckered into paying for overpriced technology just because it has a Google logo on it"?
Seriously, grow the f**k up. The iPhone paved the way for alternatives like WebOS and Android. Without the iPhone, you couldn't have the phone you enjoy so much.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
frozeninfernoJul 22, 2010
What's the deal? Someone else says this, they get 405 diggs, but I say it and get -1.
http://digg.com/tech_news/RIM_HTC_Nokia_want_no_part_of_Apple_s_self_made_debacle?t=33909778#c33909778
frozeninfernoJul 22, 2010
What's the deal? I say this and get -1 diggs, someone else says it and they get 405.
http://digg.com/tech_news/RIM_HTC_Nokia_want_no_part_of_Apple_s_self_made_debacle?t=33909778#c33909778Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
tittypinkJul 22, 2010
There. Now you're up to 0...
spacem00seJul 21, 2010
In before "GIZMODO HATES APPLE!!".
morpheousmartyJul 21, 2010
Gizmodo doesn't hate Apple. Apple hates gizmodo, and slowly but surly he fact Apple will dump on Gizmodo every chance they get will make them antagonistic. Good, because they are both great entertainment when they are unhappy.
gerrylazloJul 22, 2010
Gizmodo doesn't hate Apple? hahahahahahahhahaaha
morpheousmartyJul 22, 2010
Gerry, Gizmodo doesn't hate Apple, they gave them the best story of the year. New iPhone, police, lawsuits. Apple made Gizmodo an episode of Law and Order. The last great thing Gizmodo did was turn of the monitors at CES. Gizmodo doesn't hate Apple, they f**king love the attention Apple has donated to them.
mojohacker2010Jul 22, 2010
@gerry
Gizmodo was pretty fond of Apple. Apple was the one that went ape-s**t on them and everything.
sentientv2Jul 22, 2010
Gizmodo has only recently laid the hate on Apple. Once Apple made it clear that Brian Chen was trying to blackmail Apple for improved access to future product press opportunities, then they started hating on them hard.
After that, they climbed up the hill, grabbed their crown, and once again became the joke of the internet when it comes to journalistic integrity.
gerrylazloJul 22, 2010
"Gizmodo was pretty fond of Apple. "
And now they aren't. Thus my statement.
Closed AccountJul 21, 2010
I hate Gizmodo because of their s**tty "journalism". They couldn't even be arsed to find the kid and do a quick email interview?
Title should be, "What some supposedly 15 year old kid we've never talked to was able to do, from what we can tell".
Closed AccountJul 22, 2010
1984 Steve Jobs would hate 2010 Apple. WTF happened to this s**t-hole of a company?
bjornskiJul 23, 2010
They got greedy.
4degreesJul 21, 2010
all the more reason to not get an iphone. Its nice that the palm pre is linux based; i have set up an SSH server such that i can tunnel through the phone. plus there are a few homebrew apps that setup tethering.
nerddtvgJul 21, 2010
Perhaps he will move to Cydia next.
blumerJul 21, 2010
No need to hide the functionality there.
aaronpdxJul 21, 2010
cydia already has wifi spot apps
nerddtvgJul 21, 2010
Yeah but applications like PdaNet are not $0.99: http://www.junefabrics.com/iphone/buy.php
Closed AccountJul 22, 2010
@nerddtvg You can Google serials of PdaNet for iPhone...
Closed AccountJul 22, 2010
Or to google maybe?
Google "handy light ipa"
Transfer to iphone
Install via iphone
Profit!!!
jon02129Jul 22, 2010
No...unless your iPhone is jailbroken...and if it is, you've already had a great choice of tethering apps for quite some time.
karddeJul 21, 2010
"Those who downloaded it, however, can keep enjoying its benefits."
Except for the whole kill switch thing.
nitrologlyJul 21, 2010
So the apps tethering features no longer work?
me1000Jul 21, 2010
that they've NEVER used… they're not going to start with this app… The bad PR wouldn't make it worth it.
1b2aJul 21, 2010
Apple is immune to bad PR. It's customer's are so busy getting f**ked by 4 or 5 c**ks at once (depending if you're male or female) that they wouldn't hear the commotion.
stealthspcJul 21, 2010
You know 1b2a, it could have to do with that fact that Apple sells good products. No need to boost your self-esteem just because your daddy won't buy you an iPhone.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
howboutbbqribsJul 21, 2010
I thought I was knowledgeable about the word of adult entertainment, but perhaps you have proven me wrong 1b2a. Where would # 4 & 5 go?
Closed AccountJul 21, 2010
@stealthspc: I've been an Apple customer for quite a while now, and I have never had any problems with any of their computers. Their phones, however, are ridiculously locked down and restricted by Apple and AT&T. You can't sit there and act like 1b2a doesn't have a point.
If I hadn't jailbroken my phone, I wouldn't be nearly as happy with the phone as I am. The same goes for if I hadn't gotten my plan when the unlimited plan was available. The fact is, Apple wants as much control over your phone as they can possibly muster, and that just plain sucks. I don't want some company telling me what I can and can't do with hardware that I bought from them, all because they feel like they should be allowed to do so. Its my phone, I should be able to decide what I install, where I install it from, and how I should be allowed to use my unlimited data plan.
So yes, 1b2a is right, to an extent. Apple and AT&T take every chance they can to f**k their customers with regards to the iPhone. Their customer service might be good, but thats only so they can ensure your phone keeps working so they can keep f**king you, because they really only care about how much money they can shake out of you before you're sick of it.
paradiddler45Jul 21, 2010
@HowboutBBQribs
There are seven orifices in the human head: chose two.
felipemfJul 21, 2010
Stop, do NOT count eyes as orifices.
Please. :I
letterqJul 22, 2010
As if getting f**ked in the ear or nose is any better.
This has gone way to far.
bosskeyJul 22, 2010
I used WiFiGet which Apple removed from the store and its functionality (list WiFi hotspots in range with more detailed statistics than Apple's list) no longer works now either. Whether that's a kill switch or simply disabling certain unapproved APIs I don't know, but having had that experience I didn't download this tethering app because then I would have paid a dollar for nothing.
stealthspcJul 21, 2010
Apple has never used the kill switch. They said they only would do it if a virus was found.
yacksJul 21, 2010
Wait until Apple starts to claim this program is a virus...
philbertJul 21, 2010
Sure that's what they said, but this is apple we're talking about.
superkendallJul 21, 2010
@Philbert: Right, the same Apple that has never used the kill switch, even on other apps they've withdrawn from the store, including an older tethering app.
That Apple, yes.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
theneptuneJul 21, 2010
@superkendall people are just hating Apple right now for no apparent reason, ignore them. 99% of the people complaining and all up in arms about the iPhone 4 reception... didn't even own an iPhone 4. The 1% that did; returned their phone.
People just want a reason to say "HAH LOOK DROID IS BETTER" ... bad news for you, my friend death gripped his DroidX and guess what? The bars fell; EVERY phone with an integrated antenna does - it's not a big deal.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
notthatnoiseJul 21, 2010
sure, if you cover any phone the reception will fall. but iphone is the only one that falls just from holding it.
stealthspcJul 21, 2010
@notthatnoise
My iPhone 4 doesn't have this problem.
darkstar3333Jul 22, 2010
Easy, release an update that makes those apps "incompatible" with the new version.
mabakerbrakerJul 21, 2010
You mean just like Google did it?
Closed AccountJul 21, 2010
Proof? Which two apps? Just curious (I don't even own an Android phone).
mabakerbrakerJul 21, 2010
http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/google_exercises_mobile_authority_remotely_nukes_apps_android_phones
Google does have install and nuke ability. Apple has only “remote-disable”.
pleasejustdieJul 21, 2010
So you'd rather google left the trojan aps on the infected phones?
gerrylazloJul 22, 2010
@PleaseJustDie that is a straw man. No one is arguing about that point. Merely the hypocrisy of only blaming Apple for remote disabling.
pleasejustdieJul 22, 2010
Its an apple article, with an apple comment, it had nothing to do with google. Its not hypocritical to make a disparaging comment about apple and leave google out of it when google wasn't the topic of conversation.
If apple had a program on its app-store that did what the program for android did, I'd support apple remote removing it as well. But the difference is apple locks down their store so tightly to prevent that kind of thing from happening while google has gone with a more open approach and as such needs to be more pro-active since they allow a much larger range of content onto their device than apple does.
demdudeJul 22, 2010
@PJD: So, if Google actually does it it's for everyone's good, if Apple even has the ability to do it but never exercised that ability, they're crooks? What the f**k? Seriously, I don't get the way Fandroids think. It just doesn't make any sense at all.
gerrylazloJul 22, 2010
PJD it was not an attack on Google, so your questioning of that angle is irrelevent to his comment or this thread. If my brothers and I all stay out late and my parents yell only at me, and I remind them that I'm not the only one doing it, that's not an attack on my brothers, only on the unfairness of being the only one yelled at.
Btw, the argument that the more open market is more dangerous to the end user isn't endearing me to the open market.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
pleasejustdieJul 22, 2010
@DemDude
Did you bother to read my entire statement? Let me quote myself for you, "If apple had a program on its app-store that did what the program for android did, I'd support apple remote removing it as well."
I never once said apple were crooks, you're inventing things.
@gerrylazlo
If you were the one being yelled at, then trying to say "well my brothers did it too" is just trying to create misdirection. Your brothers will get their heat too, right now its your turn. Trying to hide behind other people do it is no excuse and the whole point of my statement.
gerrylazloJul 22, 2010
Actually in this example it appears that I have active plans to stay out late, but my brothers have actually been out late. Yet only I'm getting the heat and I don't see anyone yelling at my brothers. Just seems unfair. It states nothing about the morality of staying out late. Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
demdudeJul 23, 2010
@PJD: There was a glitch in the system, I had only seen your first comment, not the second.
travismarcJul 22, 2010
I have NetShare which did the same thing, and was advertised as such. I bought it before I even owned an iPhone the day the app store went online. Still works to this day.
tocheebaJul 22, 2010
Exactly - Apple doesn't remote kill apps because they can tether. I still have NetShare, and it works fine. Been tethering for almost 2 years now.Apple hasn't use it's remote kill yet - but Android has! So stop hating, Android fanbois. Even Windows 7 phones will have the remote kill switch.
zjbirdJul 21, 2010
Anyone know of any other apps like this?
uttoranJul 21, 2010
wow, so the guys at apple did not bother checking what the application does and rejected it or they want you to keep paying $20 for the ATnT...
me1000Jul 21, 2010
You had to change the colors to blue, yellow, red, then tap the top right corner… (after you had already changed your IP settings to find it… I'm sure that's standard procedure though.
nmanguyJul 21, 2010
A 15 year old managed to program that app?
mrfinkelheimerJul 21, 2010
What? you're surprised by that? My three month old knows how to buy the apps already!
Closed AccountJul 21, 2010
Yes, because buying an app and program one are totally the same thing...
coolcole93Jul 21, 2010
Yes, because a three month old and a fifteen year old are totally the same thing...
Closed AccountJul 22, 2010
Your three-month-old probably shouldn't have been taught to buy apps.
mrfinkelheimerJul 22, 2010
It really just comes down to the fact that PC is better than Mac!
me1000Jul 21, 2010
The code for the tether is all open source, the UI part is pretty simple to put together.
westonpJul 21, 2010
He's probably a better coder than many so-called "professionals". There are two kinds of programmers in the world: 1) those who are passionate enough to learn to code on their own, and 2) those who write crappy half-working bloatware and just want money.
radicouJul 21, 2010
You forgot script-kiddies, which this kid is.
basiccableJul 21, 2010
I am both of those. Sold out to the man a long time ago. I love and hate my job.
phase64Jul 21, 2010
You either are passionate and write the programs you love and in probably most cases live in a box (success stories are few and far between) or you work for some s**tty software company writing s**tty job management software.
At the end of the day, it's going to be whatever pays the bills
fluvioJul 22, 2010
there are 10 kinds of programmers in the world: those who are passionate enough to learn to code on their own, and those who won't understand this.
needcoffeeJul 21, 2010
I was developing at that level when I was 15. If you're a real programmer chances are you learned a lot long before going to college. Passion for your craft is everything and willingness to learn and adapt.
darkstar3333Jul 22, 2010
If your a real developer, your learning new things every day.
Developing doesn't take pre-existing knowledge or even a CS degree, just takes someone who is good at problem solving and loves a good challenge.
sreyanotfilcJul 22, 2010
Exactly. Although I wasn't at that level when I was 15, I was able to write programs for my TI-86 calculator just by learning from other source codes. I've somehow lost sight of that passion, but recently I realized that this is truely a craft. Programming (to me) really is another artform.
ascusJul 22, 2010
Dang kids! when I was 15 the only access I had to program was via a Teletype at 110 baud to the mainframe at $25 an hour to use, and paper tape for storage so I could type in programs off line.
swordyswordJul 21, 2010
Yeah, this kind of thing is no problem as long as the tethering code is already out there. I started programming around 14 and a half year or so later this kind of thing became easy.
As NeedCoffee said, if you have a passion for programming then you will learn - and learn a lot faster than you would at school. A few friends of mine at college and I entered at a 3rd year or higher level for computer science just because we loved what we worked on and had a lot of experience well before our freshman year even began.
7m7ufJul 22, 2010
Programming friends are the best -- ESPECIALLY when you're learning together. I remember when i was young and me and a few friends got our first PCs -- someone was playing in DOS (running executables seeing what they'd do) and found qBasic -- and when we found out what it was, we s**t a collective brick.
Everyday it was "Function" this and "Loop" that. Best time eveh. Then it just Exploded after we learned that we could take off from high school half a day and instead go to a tech school -- which offered computer programming.
Learned at lot in that class, but it wasn't because of the teaching in the class, it was being with other nerds that just LOVED creating stuff. We'd all try to one up each other and in the process learned a lot more then what we could have taking the class alone. Ahh, remembering their faces when i opened up my program i worked all weekend on, and it just being Tic-Tac-Toe -- they were all like "What is this s**t, retard" then i was like "oops... i forgot... it's MULTI-PLAYER OVER THE NETWORK, BITCHES!" For a moment, i was godlike.
cyruskafaiwuJul 21, 2010
I started web development when I was 7.
7m7ufJul 22, 2010
Not as far fetched as you think -- i started programming at around 16 years old and in a short amount of time i was already writing pretty decent apps; it's all in who you know and the resources you have. I was lucky enough to be in the computer nerd clique and nerds can be very competitive and once you show everyone in your group up, you'll happily show them how you totally pwnd each and everyone of them.
bosskeyJul 22, 2010
That's not inconceivable.
15-year-old Raymond Lau programmed StuffIt, which for years was the de facto compression utility on the Mac. Everybody used it.
robusticaJul 21, 2010
Is it an iPhone?
gregoryanJul 21, 2010
But, is it an iPhone?
downneckJul 21, 2010
I want the one with the bigger gee bees
downneckJul 21, 2010
Hello?
downneckJul 21, 2010
Can you waive the activation fee?
useraccessJul 21, 2010
I heard you can get one at Walgreen's
texmexrexJul 21, 2010
But is it? An iPhone.
mountain1488Jul 22, 2010
Does it have the Why Fi's?
jtcoonsJul 21, 2010
I don't care.
muttonJul 24, 2010
I don't care.
doshindudeJul 21, 2010
iPhone, therefore, I am.
ciavtJul 22, 2010
I want the one with more Gee Bee's.
thedudediggsJul 21, 2010
It's sad that you have to trick Apple into approving applications that are actually useful.
nothlitJul 21, 2010
That's because tethering is already built into the OS. It's AT&T's fault that they charge $20 a month for turning it on. Some carriers in other countries allow people to tether at no additional cost.
sageerrantJul 21, 2010
If that's the case... why has Apple removed it from the App Store?
What is AT&T going to do, not carry the iPhone?
adamfrommyspaceJul 21, 2010
T-mobile allows people to tether at no additional cost. T-mobile doesn't suck as much as people think it does. Their HSPA+ network is one of the fastest data networks in the US
root45Jul 21, 2010
@sageerrant Something like that, yeah. Apple and AT&T have signed a contract part of which stipulates that AT&T gets to screw people by charging them extra for tethering. Since Apple controls the App Store, they have to make sure they're not violating that contract.
If Apple lets apps like this in, AT&T will sue them for a contract breach.
seltaeb4Jul 21, 2010
These are countries in which the government is not a slave to the telecommunications industry.
altorJul 22, 2010
No, it's Apple's fault that they signed that kind of anti-consumer contract in the first place.
wkrausmannJul 22, 2010
AdamFromMyspace - T-mobile also have a smaller user base that wouldn't create so much network congestion that wouldn't warrant having to charge them more for it. Guaranteed if T-mobile saw the customer base of AT&T, they'd raise rates.
mabakerbrakerJul 21, 2010
Pity none of you seems to have seen the Top 10 Android apps - Task Killer is almost always exclusively no.1 and then there are some “useful” copycat apps ported from Symbian.
Yeah, useful apps in Android OS. Keep on dreaming.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
BertKBadrinathJul 21, 2010
Steve should be proud of this kids genius and guile. He would do good to hire him. He should remember that he himself was once a techno scamp.
goericJul 21, 2010
They have enough child laborers already in China.
texmexrexJul 21, 2010
You mean at that plant that makes mostly PC stuff? The one where the peopel on the Apple line get chairs and more money? That one?
heloisJul 21, 2010
Take Steve Jobs c**k out of your mouth , we a talking about apple not anything else. I have nothing against Apple at all , but I do not see why you have to make it Apple vs Pc all the time. Having a apple product does not make you superior to anyone else infact it appears to turn people into narcissistic assh**es. Sort your head out.
gerrylazloJul 22, 2010
If PC uses child labor and that is not being talked about in the same plant, then that sounds like hipocracy to me. Personally I just wish we had manufacturing in America. Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
altorJul 22, 2010
Are you retarded? There's no such thing as "PC", only "PC hardware". "PC" isn't some monolithic platform that's only available in set configurations from one manufacturer. It's YOUR CHOICE where you get your hardware from.
gerrylazloJul 22, 2010
It was shorthand. I understand that PC is not a company. My argument relies on the accuracy of TexMexRex's statement. If that isn't true than my argument is irrelevent.
Try to go with the flow there altor. I guess I have to spell everything out for the more literal people.
rudegarJul 21, 2010
don't all other mobile platforms have this by default?
nothlitJul 21, 2010
So does the iPhone. Tethering is built into the OS. Individual carriers can choose whether to charge for using it. AT&T has decided to charge $20 a month. Some carriers in other countries charge nothing.
Closed AccountJul 21, 2010
Has Apple started doing Wi-Fi tethering yet?
Or is it still USB (with required iTunes bloatware) or Bluetooth PAN?
wilhoitmJul 22, 2010
This flashlight hack uses Wi-Fi.
sageerrantJul 21, 2010
Android has tethering, of course, but that won't stop Verizon from charging you $20 a month to use it (with a 2GB cap).
Or you can root your phone and do it for free, because charging you for something you're already paying for is bulls**t.
tiakJul 21, 2010
It's an android OS feature, but Sprint also wants you to pay more for it IIRC... Of course, they still let you download any of the several free tethering apps anyway, so it's sort of moot.
reaper527Jul 21, 2010
well, since apple removed the app, have at it
http://apptrackr.org/?act=viewapp&appid=382075956
Closed AccountJul 21, 2010
or not...
androothebearJul 21, 2010
can anyone confirm this?
Please god someone say yes
kershehJul 21, 2010
What's really to confirm? If your iPhone is jailbroken then it will work, if not it wont.
bmw7777Jul 21, 2010
Of course it's real. Apptrackr is the pirate Appstore. You have to be jailbroken and hacked to install pirate apps...
proctorJul 21, 2010
Broken. All are invalid IPA's
francishcJul 22, 2010
I don't know why you're getting buried. They are invalid IPA's.
proctorJul 25, 2010
It' for iOS4 only. That's why they're invalid for any older OS's
knilsiloocJul 22, 2010
To install this, your iPhone needs to be jailbroken. If it's jailbroken, you don't need this, you can just get a simpler tethering app from Cydia.
rorazJul 22, 2010
Looks like it has been removed! =|
a1exkJul 22, 2010
Whoa my app's on apptrackr. Not sure whether I should be upset or proud about it...
wkrausmannJul 22, 2010
If you charge for your app, are you happy or upset that you're losing money?
ejpusaJul 21, 2010
Apple really does not give a *****, ATT does. Apple would LOVE for you to download the App. ATT would be the one who has the issue with it. You can easily tether your iPhone, it's under General Settings, just the crazy cash outlay is where they get you.
happyimbecileJul 21, 2010
Why would they LOVE for us to download this app? I can see them not caring, but LOVING??!!
jasonkruserJul 21, 2010
They get money on every download (paid ones of course), that's one of the reasons Apple will not open up the iPhone/iTouch to other app stores because they would lose commission.
seltaeb4Jul 21, 2010
They'd like you to be able to use their devices anywhere without AT&T acting as a toll-taker.
heloisJul 21, 2010
Except that it was also removed globally such as the U.K where AT&T do not even exist.
Sorry to dissapoint you , but im sure you have a few more excuses in your book of unprooven fanboy quotes.
ejpusaJul 21, 2010
Internet tethering is built right into every iPhone. It's there. You click and for $20 bucks it's yours. It's been there for quite awhile.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
mojohacker2010Jul 22, 2010
@ejpusa
You just got owned by Helois. He gave you a fact and you responded with pure opinions and fan boy trash. I feel sorry for Helois because he wasted his time.
ejpusaJul 22, 2010
I don't think you can specially have in app only appear in one country. It's all or none. It's on the store or not.
darkstar3333Jul 22, 2010
If Apple wanted you to download the app they would have left it up and kept AT&T tied up in redtape for as long as possible.
wkrausmannJul 22, 2010
Apple and AT&T are partners. If Apple allowed an app that would circumvent a paid feature in AT&Ts service, it harms the relationship and degrades the service. Apple will work to keep that relationship working. Apple will flick that app away like it was a bug on a windshield and not even think twice about it.
solkreJul 21, 2010
And here I thought the walled garden was actually code checking to weed out viruses.
Glad to know they just dick tested the interface and rubber stamped it.
nothlitJul 21, 2010
The App Store reviewers don't get the actual source code of the app, just a signed binary.
solkreJul 21, 2010
I hope you're kidding.
asshopoJul 21, 2010
Nope, that's how it works. Apple doesn't get to see the code of the company/individual developing the software.
tiakJul 21, 2010
Why would he be kidding? The idea of having to submit your intellectual property to Apple to work on their devices is more disturbing to me than the alternative.
acidtonicJul 21, 2010
No s**t. How do you enforce code quality without the code?
"Uhh I see a NOP after a POP in this decompiled assembly, and that's bad coding right there!"
What a joke.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
cookingboyJul 21, 2010
Hold on, acidtonic, a joke? It would be a joke if Apple reviewers have to manually review millions of lines of code every day. Of course they don't read the code manually, and no, they don't enforce bad coding styles. What they do check is that they will do a static analysis on the signed binary (when you submit the app, it's actually a zip file that includes the signed binary and the DYSM file), and make sure no private APIs are called. That alone would mostly ensure your app does not do stuff Apple doesn't want 3rd party developers to do, such as modify screen brightness, change power consumption setting, etc etc.
Acidtonic, you obviously are not a professional developer, so hopefully the above information can shed a little light on the subject for you. The application my team recently published on the App Store had over 2 millions lines of code and over a year to develop, and I am damn sure Apple didn't read the code line by line and understood it and looked for "coding practice" issues...
gefahrJul 23, 2010
@cookingboy
I don't have any first hand experience with the process, but I knew that only binaries were submitted. I assumed that Apple reviewers were checking to see which APIs were called - as that would be common sense and one of the only ways to ensure some level of sanity.
That said, if they ARE doing this (which we both agree on), why didn't they notice a flashlight using WiFi and 3G access?
Is the process truly that subjective.. as in some reviewers do their job and others don't?
iceman21Jul 21, 2010
kid needs to release this app's source code so people can work on circumventing a forced fee for internet access.
johnnyblazepwJul 21, 2010
there are existing apps you can get for a jailbroken iphone without paying.. its just a matter of knowing where to look. If you don't want to jailbreak, you're stuck waiting for another apple screwup for a legit tethering app I guess
wkrausmannJul 22, 2010
It's not a forced fee. It's completely voluntary. If you want the service, you pay for it. If you don't want it, you don't pay for it.
clevercommenterJul 22, 2010
A subscription fee for a feature that makes use of resources you are already paying for(bandwidth) is not a service. It is called extortion.
wkrausmannJul 22, 2010
So what you are saying that, for example, if I am a digital cable subscriber, I shouldn't pay extra money to order movies and PPV programming through my current equipment because I'm already paying for service?
It's not extortion, it's an extra service aside the regular service.
wkrausmannJul 22, 2010
So what you are saying that, for example, if I am a digital cable subscriber, I shouldn't pay extra money to order movies and PPV programming through my current equipment because I'm already paying for service?
I guess you think that I shouldn't pay for a data plan because I'm using the same cellular towers and signals to get phone service to receive the data from the networks.
I also guess you think game publishers shouldn't charge a subscription fee to play their game online because, after all, you already paid for the game once, why should you keep paying to play the game?
It's not extortion, it's an extra service aside the regular service. Stop being a cheap motherf**ker.
clevercommenterJul 22, 2010
wkrausmann, all those situations you listed are completely different than at&t disabling hardware functionality until you pay them a subscription fee. Them enabling that feature gives the consumer nothing as AT&T, a carrier, is still receiving the same rates for carrying the data.
Digital cable it is understandable that you would have to pay more for some channels, as the Cable company does not own the premium movie channels and thus is acting as a broker between you and the conglomerate that does.
I agree that a phone carrier should charge for data usage, though it would be nice if they still sold phones incapable of data transfer(other than voice data) as 1/3 of the icons on my phone's menu makes use of data.
And for the online game analogy, it depends. It depends on whether or not the game is hosted on their own servers, that require maintenance and upgrades as more people play, or if the game uses some P2P solution where the consumers are contributing the server hosting for each-other.
If a device that I own (an Iphone) has the hardware capabilities to tether, and I contract from AT&T a monthly amount of bandwidth, what business is it of theirs how many devices i have that work off that much bandwidth. It is the equivalent of my ISP locking down my connection so that only one PC could be connected, and now allowing third party networking hardware to be installed.
ejpusaJul 21, 2010
Apple really does not give a *****, ATT does. Apple would LOVE for you to download the App. ATT would be the one who has the issue with it. You can easily tether your iPhone, it's under General Settings, just the crazy cash outlay is where they get you.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
jabbrwockeyJul 21, 2010
So what? Create an iPhone HD, put out for verizon, and open up your app store.
WAIT! Apple doesn't give a s**t about what customers want, just what the fanboys will eat.
root45Jul 21, 2010
Don't you think Apple would use Verizon if it were lucrative enough? It seems obvious that AT&T is making some serious bids if Apple is constantly avoiding Verizon. Apple's renewed the AT&T contract at least twice now which means AT&T must be giving up a s**tload.
More than that, if AT&T can get away with charging extra for tethering, I bet Verizon wouldn't hesitate to do it too.
altorJul 22, 2010
Who signed the contract with ATT saying "you give us lots of money, in exchange you get carte blanche to rape our trendy whore customers that need to see an Apple logo before they'll buy something"?
ejpusaJul 22, 2010
We are getting something in return. Yipes. I'm paying a bit over $3 a day. For the greatest technology on the planet. I mean, it $3 a day!
It's like taxes, we want it all. FOR FREE. Who says you need a phone? I guess it's a drug now. They got us. All of us. It's too late.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
amazingsteveJul 22, 2010
"the greatest technology on the planet."
Man are your standards ever low.
gottlosJul 21, 2010
Money to Apple > Your satisfaction as a customer
Love you too Apple.
Sent from my windows running laptop because if I'm gonna get f**ked in the ass I might as well be able to play the games I want to.
gerrylazloJul 22, 2010
Yeah, except this is AT&T's decision.
tunetrueJul 22, 2010
Yes, it is AT&T's fault that Apple entered a contract with them.
gerrylazloJul 22, 2010
Considering Apple was taking a considerable risk entering the phone market, ATT probably had some serious leverage in the deal. It was probably the best Apple could wrangle from the market considering.
pharmaphoxJul 21, 2010
Verizon gives me wifi tethering FREE on my Palm Pre.
Bury me all you want.
reaper527Jul 21, 2010
enjoy talking on your phone while you tether... oh wait, you can't
pharmaphoxJul 21, 2010
Wow, you got me there!
Enjoy dropping calls while you...don't tether.
Closed AccountJul 21, 2010
an internet win does not equal real life victory
srodolffJul 21, 2010
And I want to be interupted by a phone call while I'm surf the web why?
reaper527Jul 21, 2010
"Enjoy dropping calls while you...don't tether."
never heard of a jailbreak?
zomgondoJul 21, 2010
Jailbreaking won't let you talk while tethered. It's a hardware issue.
The stupid thing is that Verizon's network is fully capable of having phones that can do simultaneous voice and data, but none of the hardware manufacturers bother to support it.
factsahoyJul 21, 2010
"enjoy talking on your phone while you tether... oh wait, you can't"
Oh boy. Here's the simpleton regurgitating strawmen from AT&T's desperate commercials.
demdudeJul 22, 2010
How is it not important to be able to receive and make calls while you tether? Seriously? Not admitting that that's a problem makes you look like Fanboys.
zomgondoJul 21, 2010
Verizon gives me FREE tethering on my Android phone.
pharmaphoxJul 21, 2010
Awesome.
sageerrantJul 21, 2010
Which phone is that? They're asking for $20 to let me tether (as if I won't just do it for free anyway).
b1ggp3teJul 21, 2010
i get FREE tethering on my T-Mobile Blackberry. the downside, its on the T-Mobile network.
kjones555Jul 21, 2010
Well lemme rephrase if for him then. Verizon UNKNOWINGLY gives me FREE tethering on my Android phone.
/fix
zomgondoJul 21, 2010
@sageerrant: look up EasyTether on Android Market :)
doshindudeJul 21, 2010
@Zomgondo: That app costs money and the trial is basically useless. Free edition?
zomgondoJul 22, 2010
The trial works fine, it just shuts https support off after awhile.
As for it costing an outrageous $9.99... I'm sorry that we developers don't always provide software from the goodness of our hearts, but we have to eat too.
schroederJul 22, 2010
And $9.99 is better than $20/mo
dhoneywellJul 22, 2010
MyWi for iPhone is only $9.99, it's great with the $30 unlimited data plan. I'm not a fanboy, but I do like my iPhone and when you jailbreak it and cast off the restrictions from AT&T-Apple it's a pretty fun toy. Who cares how they present the data plans to the customer, it's easy to get around it all. I couldn't give two s**ts about my AT&T terms of service and I'll be damned if they try to charge for 3G data I already purchased. Someone who pays $20 to AT&T per month for tethering just isn't savvy enough to do it for free.
benmiller313Jul 21, 2010
Rogers Wireless gives me wifi tethering FREE on my iPhone. Its not Apple, Its ATT
themapleboyJul 21, 2010
they charge $5 now
spazattack5000Jul 21, 2010
Bell Mobility has free tethering I believe.
digitalnJul 22, 2010
themapleboy: I just tethered my phone last night to the internet at no charge, and I have the 6GB data promo that they were handing out when they brought the HTC Dream to Rogers.
altorJul 22, 2010
"It's not Apple, it's ATT"
ATT = the people Apple chose to do business with and continue to do business with, even though every one of their customers hates them, their network clearly wasn't ready, and their fees are higher than any of their competition.
Apple don't give a s**t what ATT does as long as they keep paying. It's an anti-consumer deal, typical for Apple.
jeffdJul 22, 2010
Rogers charges nearly double what AT&T does for data, so they don't mind you tethering for free because they make significantly more money from overages and data use than any American providers do.
AT&T 2GB $25 USD
Ropers 2GB $45CAD = $42USD
altorJul 22, 2010
Cell service in Canada, I think, is modeled on the ATT "rape, rape, rape" business plan.
Closed AccountJul 21, 2010
Sprint is the same if you use MyTether ... as me and my wife both use it to create our own personal wifi hotspot anywhere we want 3G mobile broadband.
khirzaskJul 21, 2010
Rule the air.
mhugginsJul 21, 2010
T-mobile gives me FREE tethering on my Android thanks to PdaNet.
http://www.junefabrics.com/android/
ouzeJul 21, 2010
I'm tethering for FREE with my Nexus One. Just 3 clicks and it's a wifi hotspot. Completely legal, built right into Android 2.2 - no hacking or warranty voiding required.
But hey, think different, right? /s
corneljeJul 22, 2010
Nexus One on T-Mobile is probably the most underrated phone combination there is.
gerrylazloJul 22, 2010
I have no need to tether, so this thread tree is particularly obnoxious.
candre23Jul 22, 2010
Then why are you reading an article and comments exclusively about phone tethering?
I'm not a fan of sparkly vampire movies, so you know where don't hang out? Twilight forums.
gerrylazloJul 22, 2010
The article is not exclusively about phone tethering, dips**t, it's about a 15 year old tricking apple. Reading comprehension FTL
mca2142Jul 22, 2010
Palm Pre wifi tether is only free for the first 10MBs.
I know, because I have it.
pharmaphoxJul 22, 2010
Mine's 5GB a month. Signed up in May 2010.
ifallenJul 22, 2010
uh... yea... don't know who screwed you MCA but i get first 5 gigs free every month. And usually if you just use the bluetooth to tether it doesn't even go towards tethering data.
I used like 8 gigs my first month and no overage.
pre plus + verizon = epic.
sfasu77Jul 28, 2010
The palm pre is complete disappointment. WebOS is great but the hardware and developer support is s**t. I'm glad i went with the Evo.
taxmoreJul 21, 2010
I can't be mad at apple, I made $1500 on some calls I bought yesterday and sold today at 9:31.
But seriously, apple sucks.
vanderkeifJul 21, 2010
I have a yacht in tahiti
But seriously, apple sucks.
gerrylazloJul 22, 2010
I have a 10 foot c**k that seats 12.
fhwqhgadsJul 21, 2010
Hahahaha! Eat s**t, Apple!
moducJul 21, 2010
But why can't we have a device, like a phone, like computer. Ok, a smart phone, but doesn't need a phone plan, just need wifi, 3g or 4g. Maybe $30 a month. Then use something like skype, $10 a month, and make calls, internet, everything. Why not a device like this?
That's the next computer. Small, powerful, does everything. Why so hard? It's basically today's iPhone or Droid, without the phone contract.
So, the technology for the hardware is there, the software is pretty much there.
The cost is affordable (say building it cost $180, sell it for $360). I would buy it right away.
philbertJul 21, 2010
That would hardly "do everything". My work projects would laugh at a device like that.
candre23Jul 22, 2010
Because the carriers that you have to buy that 3g/4g data from want to rape you for it. You can buy any number of wifi-only tablets for cheap, but as soon as you want cell data, you have to go to one of the four companies that sell it, and they all take you for every penny they can get.
oltpJul 21, 2010
I've always just done the opposite, use my wireless internet I already have in my house to surf the internet from my phone instead of AT&T's 3G network. Seems a lot faster this way, so I can't imagine why someone would want to use 3G for their laptop surfing unless they were in an area where they didn't have Wi-Fi available. But you'd think anywhere city where you can't find free Wi-Fi, you'd probably have problems getting 3G support as well.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
locondcocoJul 21, 2010
"unless they were in an area where they didn't have Wi-Fi available."
errr....that's the EXACT reason why you'd tether. either that or you're a light user and would rather not shell out another $50/mo for cable or fios.
"you'd think anywhere city where you can't find free Wi-Fi, you'd probably have problems getting 3G support as well." where the heck do you live? I'm in NYC and still have trouble finding many places that offer free wi-fi. heck, when i travel, many hotels dont offer free wi-fi either.
elmuerte17Jul 21, 2010
Yes, because unsecured WiFi networks are absolutely everywhere...
/s
This isn't 2006, people are smartening up and securing their wireless.
factsahoyJul 21, 2010
"But you'd think anywhere city where you can't find free Wi-Fi, you'd probably have problems getting 3G support as well."
Dude, you clearly have no idea that these two are vastly different. Let's start with the extremely limited range of Wi-Fi...
3G data comes from towers up to a quarter-mile away. Wi-Fi has problems covering an entire two-bedroom apartment.
1b2aJul 21, 2010
I love how people are aware that they are getting f**ked in the ass and remain content.
zomgondoJul 21, 2010
Not only do they remain content, they try to explain to everyone else how they're somehow superior by paying more for a product that does less.
bosskeyJul 22, 2010
But everybody does that. I'm sure many of the items in your house are not the ones that have the longest feature lists, they're the ones you decided did the best job at what they're supposed to do. That's all people are doing.
Remember, Apple's growth is coming from people who have not bought Apple before. Their life experience is with Windows and non-Apple phones - they are not ignorant or living in a cave. Yet they made a decision that Apple's going to do a better job. You can search the Internet for forum posts like "I am a Windows IT professional, but I bought a Mac for myself..."
The tethering fiasco is AT&T, not Apple. The iPhone does tethering for free on any carrier that chooses to provide it for free, and there are examples of that like Rogers in Canada.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
herojonJul 21, 2010
Some people enjoy getting it up the butt. We are supposed to not judge them supposedly. Something about intolerance. I don't know.
factsahoyJul 21, 2010
It's really cognitive dissonance, and over time it's becoming clear that it drives more human behavior than we ever imagined. People have paid for something, and when they find out it sucks, they feel stupid. "Wait, I PAID for this; it MUST be good!" Then they feel angry, and seek either to deny the critical report or attack its deliverer. That's right, killing the messenger is ever more popular.
So yes, people cling to stupidity and ignorance.
demdudeJul 22, 2010
Or maybe, but just maybe, people are just very satisfied with their iPhones. But I guess that's impossible, since we're on Digg.
Closed AccountJul 21, 2010
What, by using Windows?
Closed AccountJul 22, 2010
Digg commenters seem to crucify people for buying a f**king thing. They say "Oh, it has fewer features. Retards! Fanboys!" People push their phone preferences like they do their politics or religions. I wish people would sort of ease up and enjoy their phones without feeling and acting like they are f**king consumer Gods or something.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
tiptup300Jul 21, 2010
WTF, they didn't explain in code how he did it? WTF was the point of the article?
stingwolfJul 21, 2010
Assuming you know how a tethering app works, it's probably trivial. Just present the user with whatever UI you want, and then run the tethering in the background. The likely reason it got approved is that the tester just poked around on the UI and didn't watch any network traffic, etc. I don't think they do a source code review. If you were expecting the article to tell you how to write a tethering app, then I think your expectations were too high.
tiptup300Jul 21, 2010
In apps I believe that the programmers have to "apply" for certain abilities on the iphone. The apps are sandboxxed. It would be odd for apple to see an app that shows colors accessing networking capabilities. Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
shirukenJul 21, 2010
In the end this is still AT&T's fault for not allowing free tethering.
xsubmergedJul 21, 2010
As an iPhone developer that pays $99/year I want to know how this is possible. Apple has teams of people that go through code to make sure it's safe for the app store. I can create a "flashlight" app without even using any code, just something called a NIB file which will draw a white background and voila...there's your flashlight. I am sure a tethering app is slightly more involved lol
needcoffeeJul 21, 2010
You have to send source code to Apple first before the binary can be sent to the store? Holy crap man.
cookingboyJul 21, 2010
No you don't. You send a signed binary and the DYSM file together in a zip file when you submit the app. They only do a static analysis on the binary to make sure no private API is called, other than that they have no access to your source code since it's YOUR intellectual property.
evi1d33dJul 21, 2010
Apple team was probably like: "10th flashlight app today... next."
linuxbeatswin7Jul 21, 2010
Sucker!!!!
texaJul 21, 2010
Since you don't send the source code, only the binary, Apple didn't notice the extra feature. To activate tethering you also had to tap on certain colors in a certain order within the app. Apple would have noticed the app is doing something else if they had known what colors to tap on. The network activity is something that would have raised a flag.
The code used in the app is called iProxy. It's open source. Any developer can build it and install it on their own phones:
http://wiki.github.com/tcurdt/iProxy/
In fact, anyone can become a developer and build it for yourself. It will cost you $99/year, but that's still cheaper than paying $20/month to tether. Also you'd be paying Apple for tethering instead of AT&T :-)
Closed AccountJul 22, 2010
Holy crap, I didn't know that Apple doesn't actually review the source. So this situation with the flashlight app submitted could easily happen again, several times per day even? And that the trigger to activate the hidden functionality just has to be hidden in the interface?
Please people, make more apps with hidden stuff in!
altorJul 22, 2010
You want people to pay $100 for the "right" to develop software on the iPhone, just so they can make an app that circumvents Apple's anti-consumer agreement with ATT and get their brand-new developer account suspended?
candre23Jul 22, 2010
Or just get an android phone and cut out the middleman.
Closed AccountJul 22, 2010
Actually, I don't have an iPhone or an Android phone, but I strongly disagree with the way Apple is managing the iPhone as a platform, both with the App Store submission process and the draconian measures which they are using to protect it. When I do upgrade my phone, it will more than likely be to an Android phone for various reasons. But, that's beside the point.
The ideal situation would be for any iPhone developers who add hidden features to apps to only reveal them to a very select group of people, but of course this won't work as the secret would get out eventually.
If you just wanted to tether for free on your own iPhone then you could just write your own app and not submit it to the App Store - just use ad-hoc distribution to use it on your phone. If everyone did this, Apple would be a bit stuck.
golgothaJul 24, 2010
Apple spends all those resources reviewing source before granting approval?
Sounds like Apple has become the Big Brother they portrayed in that commercial so many years ago...
Closed AccountJul 24, 2010
@golgotha
No, Apple doesn't see the source code at all, which is how the disguised tethering app managed to get onto the App Store in the first place.
neelshivJul 21, 2010
Maybe this is a sign that Apples review process should consider admitting fewer redundant flashlight applications.
Closed AccountJul 21, 2010
At which point people would bitch and moan about Apple censoring your choice of flashlight applications.
myztryJul 21, 2010
Well he is a minor and minors can't be bound to contracts meaning the TOS, EULA or whatever instruments are unenforcable by law.
That being said, it also means he can't sue for any breaches either. Still, he got to have a bit of fun outsmarting the Corporation. Good on him.
maxxellJul 21, 2010
Minors cant be bound to contracts? What country are you in?
myztryJul 21, 2010
Australia. We have a unilateral age of majority of 18 for everything from alcohol, driving, voting, entering contracts, etc. Some other countries like the USA have inconsistent ages though.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_majority
omoshiroiJul 22, 2010
They can't be bound in the States either. Minors have the right to disaffirm.
maxxellJul 23, 2010
@omoshiroi
Minors have the right to disaffirm some contracts. Not all. Nothing in the law is ever so cut-and-dry.
faderprimeJul 22, 2010
Funny thing about contract law, while minors can't be bound they can still sue for breach in some cases.
myztryJul 22, 2010
I'm no lawyer but I would imagine that would be for statutory deemed contracts (such as retail sales contracts) since you don't have to agree in order to be bound.
The other party such as the retailer would be thus bound irrespective of other factors.
faderprimeJul 22, 2010
it can be for more substantial contracts as well. essentially contracting with minors is ill-advised.
youngcebJul 21, 2010
so everyone tries to hurt Apple?
philbertJul 21, 2010
What's the problem?
jeremiahjwJul 21, 2010
I got the app about an hour before it was taken down. Booyah!
altorJul 22, 2010
The rest of the world (everyone but American iPhone users) has free tethering by default. Aww.
obonicJul 21, 2010
BADASS!
Closed AccountJul 21, 2010
Sucks that the media outlets ruined it for him. If this was never published, the app might still be available.
factsahoyJul 21, 2010
if this WERE never published
brihar73Jul 21, 2010
Singular: "This was"
Plural: "These were"
factsahoyJul 21, 2010
It has nothing to do with singular and plural. It has to do with hypothetical and contrary-to-fact situations.
You use "were" if the event did not happen:
"If he were at the airport, he would have called us."
You use "was" if it actually could have happened:
"If he was at the airport, he got stuck in that traffic."
displaylistJul 21, 2010
It's called the subjunctive, and it holds in every Latin-based language. Including English.
Closed AccountJul 21, 2010
It has nothing to do with singularity or plurality. "Was" is acceptable, but "were" is technically correct. It's called the subjunctive mood. You use "were" because you are talking about a condition that is not currently true.
http://www.grammar-monster.com/glossary/subjunctive_mood.htm
Closed AccountJul 21, 2010
Who gives a f**k.
Closed AccountJul 21, 2010
http://www.grammarmatters.com/death-of-the-subjunctive/
altorJul 22, 2010
If this WHERE never published...
/s
apocryphax64Jul 21, 2010
And then you would never know about it.
happyimbecileJul 21, 2010
Maybe other people start making fart apps and sexy girl apps that let you tether for free.
altorJul 22, 2010
Byebye $100 developer account.
cryonixJul 21, 2010
I have no idea the guidelines for apple but why not write obfuscated code?
Ever look at google's code? that damn animation function for their homepage is basically a(b,d,c){h+b; c+d; g+d} then those variables are just more variables defined elsewhere. Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
linuxbeatswin7Jul 21, 2010
Fail.
(and I hate Google)
Closed AccountJul 22, 2010
Apple don't get to see your source anyway, so there's no point obfuscating it.
zeechJul 21, 2010
Sadly looks like you can't just add the app to your phone, it gives you an error.
phychJul 21, 2010
f**k cell phone companies...and the RIAA...I'm sure they're involved somehow.
laserethJul 21, 2010
PDAnet + Droid ftw
golgothaJul 24, 2010
Android OS 2.2 FTW (PDAnet sucks in comparison)
georgesvaneedzeJul 21, 2010
Remember, there's always a way! :D
dimitarnikolovJul 21, 2010
first was the iPhone 4 antenna problem, and now they were outsmarted by a kid. Come on, Apple, you can do better than that!
vagrantwadeJul 21, 2010
And yet the 15 year olds I find on Xbox Live are annoying little dbags.
kingfootJul 22, 2010
Read: Xbox.
jshhmrJul 21, 2010
This kid needs to get rid of his iCrap and get a real phone. At least they would support his app.
enantiodromiaJul 22, 2010
right. good point. the other app store will accept any god damned piece of s**t, and smile while their Marketing people spin it is a good thing.
khirzaskJul 21, 2010
Kid: http://www.nelsonhaha.com
Apple: http://www.sadtuba.com
darnyJul 21, 2010
What's really scary is that Apple is obviously not reviewing the code of the apps submitted. There's no telling what kind of malicious crap might be out there. Like Justin Beiber sound bytes embedded in 69 sex position apps or whatever.
Closed AccountJul 21, 2010
Code is not submitted. They review the binary and just make sure it doesn't make any private API calls.
igginsJul 21, 2010
Then people need to FLOOD apple with these "flashlight" apps....
taintbrushJul 21, 2010
Wow. I'm running Android 2.2 on my Nexus one, which has tethering (USB or Wifi Hotspot) built in to the OS. Two AT&T billing cycles so far and I have not been charged the extra $20.00. Plus I was "grandfathered" (hate that word) in to my unlimited plan so I have no official cap. A winrar is me, for now.
Closed AccountJul 21, 2010
Usually you won't get bugged unless you go over some undisclosed amount of data. Once you do they send out a warning, and if it continues to happen they terminate your data or close your account.
golgothaJul 24, 2010
You won't be caught (I'm assuming your data plan has unlimited data). AT&T can't tell the difference between data traffic from your phone or traffic being NAT'd through your phone.
You're good to go.
diggwithaforkJul 26, 2010
good to know. I once tethered my old sprint phone around 2001 ish when all they had was "The Wireless Web", They sent me a bill for $2846.00. I still have the bill hanging on my bulletin board in the office.
sfasu77Jul 28, 2010
Yea.. froyo on the Evo is epic.. the tethering is fast and easy.
dizavinJul 21, 2010
yes, yes, we GET it Gizmodo. you don't like Apple after you did an expose of questionable nature about their big breadwinner and they got pissed off and threw their weight around a bit over it.
WE GET IT.
Move on.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
Closed AccountJul 21, 2010
Just jailbreak your iPhone already!
Closed AccountJul 28, 2010
Just buy an Android phone already! Paid a one time fee of $10 for a 3g tethering app that works every single time.