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racheljtmAug 17, 2010
The Social Network Part 2?
w3berAug 18, 2010
Jag gillar sköldpaddor...
winston84Aug 19, 2010
I don't understand why they vote you down kompis ..
What's wrong with Diggers, don't you like turtles ?
zbranniganAug 19, 2010
help this man!
primatageAug 17, 2010
I really hope this is true.
Closed AccountAug 18, 2010
It couldn't have happened to a nicer guy.
fungowskiAug 19, 2010
this new guy looks like he's going to really turn facebook into a pile of s**t
air420Aug 19, 2010
Who cares, its facebook.
winston84Aug 19, 2010
If so, he's landed himself the easiest job in the Universe ..
luciferxeAug 19, 2010
you can not turn something into something it already is.
sjbdallasAug 17, 2010
So for once, the little guy that actually does most of the work might actually win?
ceriliaAug 18, 2010
I don't really care who wins here, but how did the guy suing Zuckerberg do most of the work??
sjbdallasAug 18, 2010
Sounded like he did a bunch of code. Unless I misunderstood the article. In any event, I was attempting to draw a comparison between this and all the stories about the techie geeks who come up with ideas and then someone comes along and takes their work to build some global company.
ceriliaAug 18, 2010
Oh, okay. There is a lot of information missing in that article. Zuckerberg got hired for webdesign work for a different project by the guy, which Facebook doesn't deny. Now, all these years later he appears to have a contract where he also paid Zuckerberg for a 50% stake in Facebook (additional % awarded for a delay in project completion). I've seen a copy of the contract in another article and it looks authentic enough, but could also easily be forged. Now, this article claims that the guy has a copy of the check that paid Zuckerberg for his work.
chriskzooAug 18, 2010
He allegedly gave Zuckerberg seed money to start Facebook for a 50% stake in the company, with a stipulation if be finished by January 1st of I think 2002 (or whatever) and he would get an additional 1% stake for every day it was late. Zuck didn't finish it until February 4th or so, hence the 84% stake.
tenarethAug 18, 2010
There is a book and now a movie about all of it..
Closed AccountAug 18, 2010
Zuckerberg is a f**king moron if that's actually the contract he signed.
libertyfrogAug 19, 2010
He didn't. No one is saying that.
Closed AccountAug 19, 2010
I could easily see a 19 year old kid signing a contract like that. Little life experience, and hell most adults don't even read contracts they sign. Not to mention he had no idea what Facebook would become.
ceriliaAug 19, 2010
Except that the contract doesn't mention any 3 grand, it mentions 1 grand for each project.
chriskzooAug 18, 2010
I so want to see this go to court and Zuck screwed over. He's screwed over so many people in building Facebook that it would be sweet irony if the person that got screwed over most was himself.
oxidaneAug 18, 2010
Sounds like there was a lot of screwing going on. Too bad I wasn't invited. I want to do some screwing too.
tdlpAug 18, 2010
Not going to happen. Ceglia himself says the supposed contract provided for a $1,000 investment, not $3,000. They're for different things. Notice how Ceglia says this is the first evidence to show he's right - if this is the case, then that means Ceglia does not have a signed contract with Zuckerberg's name on it.
No chance.
freckleearsAug 19, 2010
The original agreement was 50% for $1,000. He paid that and more. Anything else was the investors personal investment. Technically he is still entitled to his 50% and the delay share of 34% if the contract is indeed real and signed by Mark Douchebag.
benchmarkeAug 18, 2010
I agree it would be funny if Zuckerberg screwed himself, but let's keep things in perspective... even if he only owns a few percent of Facebook, that's probably still worth a few hundred million.
slidiggAug 19, 2010
please explain
ajmal2010Sep 20, 2010
hello i am new comer in the site
please help me
winston84Aug 19, 2010
You don't get "screwed over" by the courts when you built the company you stole
with CIA seed-money .
anomaly100Aug 18, 2010
I got a cashiers check once. Hey, maybe I own Facebook! Whoo hoooo!
oltpAug 18, 2010
Was yours signed by Mark Zuckerberg and cashed?
infestusAug 18, 2010
How are they going to add this to the facebook movie
hatoummoAug 18, 2010
Anyone really hoping the guy is telling the truth and s**t hits the fan? or just me?
dx0neAug 18, 2010
we all enjoy chaos and disorder
eezyvilleAug 18, 2010
s**t hitting the fan is awesome.
gunit99Aug 18, 2010
Oh please, please let this stick.
Between the complete lack of concern for the privacy of the millions who made Facebook what it is, to the arbitrary changes that constantly f**k those that use Facebook pages for business (f**k you 520 pixel tabs! f**k you!)...I want to see that little bastard squirm.
freckleearsAug 19, 2010
I am staying in a hotel for work. There are 3 families vacationing here with like 10 f**king little kids. When they go to their rooms, the connection goes from 0% packet loss with my own personal DL rate of 120kB/s to 10kB/s with 80% packet loss.
My gf and I used to play Halo 3 perfectly fine with minimal lag. We had a sweet connection to people on the west coast, while we are on the east coast. As soon as our roomate showed up and went on facebook, one of us would drop and the other would get high lag and have to quit.
Facebook is a goddamn bloated whore of a website.
boner11Aug 19, 2010
Have you ever been to Wellsville, NY? I have, and let me tell you....... that town sucks. I'd be looking to get the f**k out of that town.,
crimsonblurAug 18, 2010
I have no reason to defend Zuckerberg, but the mere existence of this cancelled cashier's check proves absolutely nothing in relation to this case. The existence of that check does not, under any circumstance, prove that this guy had any kind of deal with Zuckerberg about having any level of control of Facebook. What this guy needs is actual evidence of the deal he is claiming took place actually took place, and that there is documentation of it in writing in full detail of this deal. If he can't present that evidence, it's impossible to prove any deal like this ever took place. Period.
As Zuckerberg's side says, there is no question that these two had dealings together. The fact is, that $3,000 check could have been for anything. Why would records of that check prove that this guy owns Facebook? It's absurd. This case is going nowhere if this is the only "evidence" this guy has, and so far it sounds like it is.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
docholiday22Aug 18, 2010
I sincerely hope this turns into a massive fight and that Mark Zuckerberg is s**tty his pants right now.
hdfractalAug 18, 2010
f**k facebook - seriously - f**k it up bad
oxidaneAug 18, 2010
...dude prolly has a FB account with 300 friends or so.
ranon20Aug 18, 2010
The best evidence of ownership would be the contract between Zukerberg and this guy. And so far there is no sign of that.
nysusAug 18, 2010
RTFA. Guy's lawyers say they have the original contract.
pxcxgAug 18, 2010
You should read the article. It states that the guy provided a copy of the contract. And his lawyers have the original.
ranon20Aug 18, 2010
Is the contract available online?
floydthecatAug 18, 2010
You're kidding right? Read the article.
Closed AccountAug 18, 2010
How about you stop f**king posting and read the damn article?
alx359Aug 18, 2010
This Zucker guy seems to have been a douche bag; too bad, but boy how much envy in these posts. Whatever this guy has done he's the one that hit the big one and now there are a bunch of sharks accomplished nothing trying to get a chunk of it. Classic.
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skinturtleAug 18, 2010
Totally agree. It's all about greed, jealousy and somebody wanting to take someone's else gold and have it for themselves.
"I want to take YOUR stuff and make it into MY stuff...because I deserve it more than YOU!"Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
deweyhewsonAug 18, 2010
@skinturtle and alx359
If they signed a contract, he DOES deserve it more than Zuckerberg.
The law's a bitch, ain't it?
alx359Aug 19, 2010
@all:
Legalese apart, chance is a gift of fate, and one cannot put a price tag on it. Zuckerberg got his chance and used it wisely, and now others want to grab his fruits. That 3000$ facebook was not the facebook of today, and the other guy wants a share in a history of decisions and circumstances he has not been part of them.
rolfAug 18, 2010
Am I the only one who doesn't care which douchebag ends up as a billionaire?
skinturtleAug 18, 2010
Nope..I do not care either.
rmxzAug 18, 2010
OTOH, perhaps neither.
Perhaps their lawyers are the only ones who end up with the billions.
Not sure if that's better or worse, tho.
satirenineAug 19, 2010
Worse.
oxidaneAug 18, 2010
Since it's not me who's getting the money, I couldn't care less either.
docholiday22Aug 18, 2010
I don't care either; but I love the chaos and destruction; the anarchy this will cause.
freckleearsAug 19, 2010
I'd rather the dude get approached by Google to sell Facebook for a steal of a deal; maybe $20b. The dude could end up with more money than he had anyway, and possibly get some shares in google while he is at it, while not having to deal with facebook.
stevethepocketAug 21, 2010
Because a Facebook run by Google will totally be better than the one we have now, right? </sarcasm>
thefounderAug 18, 2010
I think it's funny.... like let's put it this way.. if Paul was running the show from day one... would Facebook be where it is today?
yacksAug 19, 2010
or if Paul never gave Facebook $3000 cash, would Facebook be what it is today? It's akin to owning stock... the stock owners are not the ones running the company into the ground or into the sky.. they just get to reap the rewards or blunders of what happens..
damphoudAug 18, 2010
What sort of entrepreneur would give away 50% of his/her company for $1000? Not only that, but if he is delayed, an additional 34% is given to the investor... I'm not saying this disproves Ceglia's claims, but it certainly makes Zuckerberg look like an idiot if it turns out to be true.
deweyhewsonAug 18, 2010
A lot of people would, if they desperately need funding and hope to make more than that themselves.
Zuckerberg, being the douchebag he is, bet he could screw this guy over like he has so many others and he would just fade away. Let's hope he's horribly wrong this time.
Closed AccountAug 18, 2010
A naive and inexperienced 18-year-old entrepreneur, that's who.
jerimAug 18, 2010
When you are just starting out, living paycheck to paycheck, you would do almost anything to have $3000 in the bank. Either the site was going to flop or it was going to be huge, so his 50% stake would be enough to live off of. Either way, it was a win/win for a young developer.
shogiAug 18, 2010
It's pretty common to trade percentage of ownership for startup money, but 50% is a bit much. I'd definitely offer low and go no higher than 49% so I always have the controlling majority.
luciferxeAug 19, 2010
that is why you do not own/operate a business.
to those that do. why do you need to pitch so many if all you need is one?
damphoudAug 19, 2010
A person who considers himself to be entrepreneurial is always seeking new business opportunity, regardless of your current company size. I started, and currently operate, a commodity brokerage firm which is overlooking a large cement transaction in Nigeria, but I'm also assisting a small startup which manufactures pvc inflated summer toys for children. I gain enjoyment from both regardless of size of the financial reward... this enjoyment of startups is more of a high for a entrepreneur - its what we love to do.
scooternrocketAug 21, 2010
Well considering Facebook is full of idiots, it stands to reason maybe it was created by an idiot, after all who better to figure out what an idiot wants other than another idiot.
richmomzAug 18, 2010
Oh delicious sweet karma...
mirotAug 18, 2010
The statute of limitations on contractual lawsuits is six years. Unfortunately this was signed in '03.
Looks like Zuckerberg will win agan.
mirotAug 18, 2010
Cool. I hope Zuckerberg gets screwed.
ouzeAug 18, 2010
I hope he turns it into a porn site or something similarly stupid. Anything else would be an improvement. Even after I deleted my account, I still have to hear about farms and junk from my coworkers every day.
ninethirtyAug 19, 2010
You must be some kind of idiot then. I have all that hidden, and it took relatively little effort. You must also work with, or be friends with morons because I don't know anybody that talks about that kind of s**t. I don't work with idiots though, so that might be the problem.
Why would you hope he turns it into a porn site? How would that be an improvement? I hate to break this to you, but Facebook is massively popular and doesn't look to be going away anytime soon. You fit into a small minority of people who are actually bothered by Facebook policies, at least to a degree that one would delete ones account.
Sounds like you've moved on... or have you?
ouzeAug 19, 2010
Listen, no matter how much facebook nob you slob, I don't think they're going to write you a check or give you more room on your farm or whatever.
slapdedAug 18, 2010
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plopfishAug 18, 2010
haha
yeah who IS that girl?!? I swear I've seen here in some crazy ditry por..... nvm
slapdedAug 18, 2010
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grexeoAug 19, 2010
http://www.istockphoto.com/file_search.php?action=file&filetypeID=&userID=39198&text=hf7
stevethepocketAug 21, 2010
Well, for what it's worth, it's good to know the leech sites are actually paying for that photo. Considering what kind of people would set up those sites, it's amazing it's not just stolen.
soaveAug 18, 2010
Dugg for knowing exactly what you were talking about when you said "girl in the backpack"
fauxnetikzAug 19, 2010
This needs to happen. If the guy gets control, he should just do exactly that. Can you imagine the whining? the wrist-slitting?
I've got my popcorn ready, awaiting the outcome of this case.
jasoncoxAug 18, 2010
I love how you people are all for Zuck getting his ass handed to him and losing control of Facebook... Seriously, what makes you think that this guy isn't going to do an even worse job than Zuck at privacy and not selling off your data? For all we know he's going to get control of the company, shut it down and sell off all your data to the Crown Prince of Nigeria.
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jayhawkAug 18, 2010
if the new guy is better on privacy then we win.
if the new guy is worse on privacy then Facebook competitors gain momentum and we still win.
win - win with a Zuck loss.
soaveAug 18, 2010
I'm more interested in Zuckerberg failing than in privacy.
rblancarteAug 18, 2010
I say this - forget this damn check - where is this contract that he is talking about?
jpgr87Aug 18, 2010
Google is your friend:
http://www.scribd.com/Facebook-Ceglia-Contract/d/34742607
xflankerxAug 19, 2010
^ Haha, if you try to download it, it asks you to log in with your Facebook account.
siblyAug 18, 2010
He should just change his name to Mark f**kerberg after screwing so many people
jparkinsonAug 18, 2010
http://www.instantrimshot.com
sygyzyAug 18, 2010
Part of me wishes this were true!
bigdorkaramaAug 18, 2010
I'd love to read this article. Too bad I can't because of the GE ad that pops over and has no way to close it.
And I'm at work, so ixne with the ad-block comments.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
floydthecatAug 18, 2010
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adk4200Aug 18, 2010
I wish he'd take control and somehow shut it down, however that'd be like taking money and being surrounded by darkness...
Hot Sexy Darkness.
plughieAug 18, 2010
One wonders why Ceglia didn't submit a claim for the profits earlier than this. Facebook has been a raging financial success. If the statute of limitations holds up in court, things will certainly change.
buzamanAug 18, 2010
The facebook widget on the page adds a little dark humor to the whole story.
ligersharkAug 19, 2010
DIGG COMMUNITY: I'm appalled. I can't believe all the top comments here are hoping Zuckerberg get's screwed on this. For whatever douchebag things Zuckerberg's done, he MADE facebook. It was Zuckerberg who put his blood, sweat, and tears into this thing. Now some lazy p.o.s. INVESTOR is going to say he owns half of your company just because he signed a contract years ago that he didn't even realize to claim in on until you already made it. This situation reminds me of when a deadbeat dad who left his kid and comes back twenty years later after the kid made it big and says "hey I'm your dad! let me get some of that money!"
I know there is alot of Zuckerberg hate her, and I'm not thrilled with alot of his recent actions/decisions, too. But Noone is ever going to invent something that REVOLUTIONIZES WORLD COMMUNICATION and touches almost everyone's lives, yet still satisfy everyone. Facebook, even with all it's problems, it has some real merits.
And while Zuckerberg needs to be humbled...this isn't the right time. In this case, by rooting against Zuckerberg, you are rooting for bloodsucking lawyers and businessmen, not for the tech community.
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yacksAug 19, 2010
How did Facebook revolutionize world communication? If anyone has the stake to make that claim it's sites that were popular before it.. *cough* *eyesore* Myspace *cough*
There's glaring problem with your deadbeat dad example.. The deadbeat dad would have no claim to any of that money, since he didn't put anything into the success of his son.. Whereas, there is a case that Paul the Investor gave money to Mark the Stock Seller to start up a business venture. You are really only going to make a claim for the money if it makes it big because by then it is WORTH something whereas if it fell flat on its face then Paul the Investor would find more worth in an used book than any investment he made in that venture.. And typically when it comes to investing, you make the claim when your investment is BIG.. You don't typically sell short unless you feel that your investment is floundering.
jkalAug 19, 2010
I really hope you forgot your /s
You are aware that Zuckerberg put as much of blood and sweat as Ceglia?
Zuckerberg stole the thing from other people all he did was ride the myspace wave and cut into that market.
uthmanAug 19, 2010
Revolutionized worldwide communication by sending everyone's info directly to the biggest bidder with the least amount of lag time involved.
Obvious Zukerberg fanboy is obvious
bloogeyAug 19, 2010
DOWN WITH MARK THE SCUMBAG!
Closed AccountAug 19, 2010
Ahh sweet shadenfreude. Feels good man.
davidtcAug 19, 2010
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ryankasperAug 19, 2010
This is just publicity for the facebook movie I guarantee it.
sreyanotfilcAug 19, 2010
...on a side note, I always wonder how many people either posted this article or their anti-Facebook/anti-Zuck comments on Facebook.
javacodeguyAug 19, 2010
Why do people hate Facebook so much? Everyone here is super excited hoping that Mark Zuckerberg will fall because of this.
ligersharkAug 20, 2010
@yacks- "how did facebook revolutionize world communication?" Are you serious? Social networking has revolutionized the world. Facebook is the predominant social networking site and arguably was the first one to make an impact. Yes, Myspace had its glory days and was great in expanding social networking to non-college students--that's besides the point. I'm not talking about the merits of other social networking sites. I'm saying Facebook is and has been THE (or even "one of THE") pioneers in social networking and consequently world communication. That's not an outlandish claim...I don't really see how you can object to that.
Now I know the deadbeat dad example isn't perfect, but in a sense he did "put [something] into the success of his son": Sperm. He helped create the kid. Just like the investor contributed "seed money", the deadbeat dad contributed..."seed". The point of the example is that the investor, while contributing some early investment, is trying to take EIGHTY-THREE PERCENT ownership of the company. Contractually, yes he has a point, but I'm surprised the Digg comminity, as techies, is supporting this. It is like theft of intellectual property. Similarly to how IBM might have taken control of Bill Gates Microsoft because he used to work for the company and might have signed a non-compete agreement.
@JKAL--I'm not saying Zuckerberg is a great guy. This issue is a matter of principal: a "wheeler and dealer" businessman trying to get a piece of the hard work of a bright computer programmer. And I would disagree that he "rode the myspace wave and cut in to that market". He put alot of hardwork into facebook and actually did not cave into the Myspace's pressure to let users clutter their account with pictures and stuff...and his approach won out. He made some great design decisions with facebook.
@Uthman--Again, Zuckerberg may now be a d**kh**d. But, like Bill Gates, he deserves some respect for his technological achievements. They say power corrupts all, you and me might also turn "duesche" if we were millionaires in our twenties. While I agree we need to straighten out Zuckerberg and his new approach to privacy, this is not going to do that. This is going to take away money from a hard working techie and give it to a Finance major!
@EVERYONE--I don't think I'm a big fan of Facebook's privacy settings, but this is not the way to fix them!
scooternrocketAug 21, 2010
What technological achievements. Facebook is basically a 2 page application with 3-4 tables in it. The rest is just nonsense to make it horizontally scale.
scooternrocketAug 21, 2010
Facebook proves the world has no future, and is full of idiots, who should all die and do the world and environment a favour.
ligersharkAug 24, 2010
yea I might be partially wrong about the IBM thing. But Bill Gates did almost get tangled in some intellectual property trouble from a previous employer (it might not have been him, but one of his cofounders). Watch the movie "Pirates of Silicone Valley". I haven't seen it in a long time so I forget the details, but it's in there.
The origination of Facebook should be a big point of interested on any tech timeline of the past twenty years. True, Facebook is not a coding breakthrough, but it is a technological achievement. Windows was not the first operating system ever, but I think most people would agree that that should be a big mark on a "tech timeline" as well.
surutJun 5, 2011
thats crazy