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7king7kingAug 9, 2010
steve jobs should have told us how to hold it right two years ago then!
eSaketAug 9, 2010
had they fixed it, S jobs wouldn't have to give away free bumpers!
Raminat0rAug 9, 2010
Of course they knew. This is part of Apple's plan to eliminate all left handed people.
danielphermousAug 9, 2010
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macparrotAug 9, 2010
HEY! My wife is left-handed...oh hold on...OK, I agree with this
Closed AccountAug 9, 2010
I'd rather be sinister then be a conformist right-hander.
pwnisherxAug 9, 2010
Right power!
paleodiggerAug 9, 2010
Remember, it takes 3 rights to make a left. Therefore, we "lefties" are worth 3 of you "righties" any given day ;)
tii9Aug 9, 2010
Also remember, it takes 3 lefts to make a right. Therefore, we "righties" are worth 3 of you "lefties" any given day ;)
rhendalAug 9, 2010
If the left side of your brain controls the right side of your body, and the right side of your brain controls the left side of your body, then all left handed people are in their right minds.
oninboninAug 9, 2010
f**k you. Do you seriously go through life thinking that? You are a f**king waste of a human being. I can't believe people digg you up for this statement. All of you digging him up are losers.
I'm better than you, you bulls**t right handed piece of s**t. You know how? Because I know that you are a f**king religious retard that has been brainwashed to think that left handed people are sinister. Weak minded piece of s**t.
/seethat'snotfunisit
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danielphermousAug 9, 2010
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mbookmeyerAug 9, 2010
Maybe we should be asking ourselves why they are sabotaging the iPhone. The big Corporations are working together. This was no accident, the iPhone was too popular, leaving little room for competitors. This opened the door, and Apple knew it wouldn't kill it all together, but it would allow for doubt. Apple is actively seeking to not become the de facto, hence the expensive hardware as well.
adhdocdAug 9, 2010
The Google sponsored HTC bus for alienated Apple engineers departs on the hour from Apple headquarters.
drifterAug 9, 2010
According to Steve Jobs this is a known issue that can't be fixed and numerous other phones have the same issue.
I really don't know why this is still being talked about, Apple screwed up, plain and simple. They can act like little toddlers and say "look other phones do it too" but it doesn't change the fact that other companies aren't constantly stating they are the most innovative and best ever.
I owned a 3GS and planned to upgrade to the iPhone 4, now I'm just waiting for the new batch to come out.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
drmartAug 9, 2010
You can wait for the new batch, but it really is a non-issue. With the antenna on the outside you get a smaller form factor and longer battery life with the same phone performance. If you were dropping calls before, you may drop calls still...or you may not.
Don't believe everything you read on the internet.
dweller99Aug 9, 2010
"According to Steve Jobs this is a known issue that can't be fixed and numerous other phones have the same issue."
Because Jobs is trying to deflect this into being a single issue, when in fact there are 2. One is the nature of wireless (deathgrip) and the other is flawed design (external antenna)
bawbzillaAug 9, 2010
I believe Steve Jobs about the iphone problems about as much as I believe Ballmer on the xbox 360 having issues. Surely they don't have vested interests to protect by distorting and deflecting the facts. Surely!
Closed AccountAug 9, 2010
At least MS eventually stepped up to the plate and announced a massive warranty expansion, and didn't try to claim that overheating and disc scratching happens to all consoles and that the industry has to work to solve it.
surfergirlscAug 9, 2010
Beating a dead horse. We get it, the antenna is flawed. Can we just get over it?
unluckybastardAug 9, 2010
no, they don't want to return their phone, they want to whine about it
wraithtdkAug 9, 2010
They learned from the best. For half a decade, Jobs & Co has preached the gospel of how everyone else is doing things wrong. They spent more time talking smack about competitors than talking up their own offerings. I think a small taste of their own medicine is appropriate. It's karma.
artosrcAug 9, 2010
If a company says that it is going to champion ethical business practices and then goes and commits a sleazy practice all the while trying to cover it up, defer blame, and drag others down in the aftermath, then that company deserves all of the criticism, ridicule, and scrutiny it can get.
ljseinfeldAug 9, 2010
I never saw the declaration made by Apple that they were going to "Champion ethical business practices", can you show it to me?
Apple is a corporation. It's sole purpose is to make money, it is directed by a board of, well, directors.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
artosrcAug 9, 2010
Oh, please. Apple's entire schtick has been (and still is) condemning Microsoft for being unethical, corrupt, money-hungry business executives who are in it only to line their pockets at the expense of the customer. They are declaring themselves such by proclaiming themselves the opposite.
It is so amusing to see that Apple is now what they once said they would never be.
aaronpdxAug 9, 2010
Artos, you might be thinking of Google. Apple has never really attacked Microsoft directly as unethical/etc. Apple's fan base certainly has, but you can't really blame Apple for that, can you? They don't tell the fans what to think, just what to buy.
jjesusfreak01Aug 9, 2010
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artosrcAug 10, 2010
Precisely. I'll remember that the next time I come across those particularly delightful Apple ads that portray Microsoft in an inept, power-and-money-hungry light.
brotherfrancizAug 9, 2010
But how did the horse die? That is the question...
wraithtdkAug 9, 2010
We can't "get over it" when Apple makes it right. They need to FIX the phone (and by fix, I don't mean offer rubber bumpers as a work-around, I mean FIX), and then offer a formal apology for their attitude. They spent YEARS talking crap (and deceptively so) about other people's products, lauding how their stuff "just works." Now they're caught with a faulty product and their response just paints them as the biggest hypocrites in the industry.
aaronpdxAug 9, 2010
"Faulty product" meaning product that isn't 100% perfect? Can you name ANY product that is 100% perfect?
wraithtdkAug 9, 2010
1. "Faulty product" means that it's PRIMARY FUNCTION does not function PROPERLY under reasonable expected conditions. In the tech industry, we call that BAD ENGINEERING. 2. I'll get over it when Apple makes it right. 3. Of course I don't HAVE one. But I have USED them, as my boss and a number of my clients use them, and I'm the one that has to set them up and explain to them why they're nto working right. 4. It doesn't beat every other phone. I'll take anything with droid on it any day.
aaronpdxAug 9, 2010
But it's primary function DOES operate reasonably under reasonable conditions. To get it to malfunction, you have to squeeze it in a very firm way, in a very specific way, in a context where the signal is already fairly weak. You throw a thin plastic sheet on it, which Apple is providing for free, and there's no more problem. I think you're being overzealous here.
wraithtdkAug 9, 2010
It's not actually that hard of a problem to recreaate. It DOES happen regularly, and CAN happen easily, under what SHOULD have been expected conditions. This is especially true if you're left handed. That IS a reasonably expected condition, under which the phone's primary function, that is to say, it's telephony ability, is rended non-functional. And that is poor engineering, pure and simple.
bobburn1Aug 9, 2010
No, you dumb ****, the public can not "get over it." They knew about the problem, they refused to address it and released a bad product despite it. Only a company that is A) incompetent or B) malicious would do this.
surfergirlscAug 9, 2010
A bit harsh don't you think little man?
artosrcAug 9, 2010
How appalling.
aaronpdxAug 9, 2010
The product is awesome, and it has one minor flaw, which the company has acknowledged and is issuing a fix for. You're blowing this out of proportion.
generalobviousAug 9, 2010
I like these "Apple MAY have known..." articles.
Of course they f**king knew. This isn't some random "oops, the chemicals in the compound we use to hold the chipsets in place happen to deteriorate over time" issue as much as it's a very elementary electrical engineering blunder.
Either the engineers spotted it and the QA/Marketing simply ignored it, or the engineers are seriously that stupid to where they put the antenna on a conductive portion of the frame (highly unlikely seeing as how iPhones are actually very well engineered).
This isn't an "oops".Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
nfxmediaAug 9, 2010
You can say anything if you include 'MAY' in the headline. Although anyone stating what must have happened as fact based on speculation is a pure-bred idiot.
krabagobanjoAug 9, 2010
Modern Warfare 2 sucked....
hortnonAug 9, 2010
Still better than World at War
krabagobanjoAug 9, 2010
Not at all, especially for PC gamers - No dedicated servers? Are you s**tting yourself??
fragmitAug 9, 2010
Man, Apple needs more savvy engineering heads like yourself. If Apple would have just compared their iphone to a video game release, this would all have been just fine! (pssst, your analogy fails, Apple did not exactly outsource this design to HTC, Apple is still the "infinity ward" in your analogy)
sirmasterboyAug 9, 2010
Coming from a 3Gs to a 4 myself, I can say that the 4 still gets better reception (looking at numeric GSM) and I do not use any case or bumper on either.
mojo8472Aug 9, 2010
I'm the same. 3GS to 4 and I can safely say the 4 is better in all respects, reception included
josh68684Aug 9, 2010
I still have my 3GS, I have no need to upgrade and give Apple more of my money. My 3GS does the same thing the I phone 4 does.
sirmasterboyAug 9, 2010
Yeah, I upgraded because I had run my 3Gs battery into the ground for the most part (though I was still able to sell it jailbroken + unlocked for a good amount to cover most the cost of the 4). Also, once you see the new retina display you can't go back. I use the browser A LOT and all that extra resolution makes it so much better for browsing.
Finally, the new cameras are really nice and I find that I actually take pictures and video with it a lot now since its always with me. Several of my friends/family have 4s as well and facetime has been really cool.
robereksonAug 9, 2010
"My 3GS does the same thing the I phone 4 does."
That's where you lost me. The 4 is a much better device than the 3GS.
cusomanAug 9, 2010
Funny how you're getting dugg down, considering it's your own personal experience and people really can't argue with that. People hate the truth when it inconveniences the tiny little world they've built for themselves.
soopaflyAug 9, 2010
90% Android users are experiencing iPhone 4 problems
zomgorlyAug 9, 2010
At work my signal is very poor in the area of the building I sit. On the 3GS i would lose the signal constantly and not receive any calls and get voicemails as I would leave the building and if I got a call I could barely hear the garbled voices coming through. However the iPhone 4 I still get a low signal but have been able to talk clearly with people on the other end.
However I still have been ear dialing and muting people because of the proximity issue.
brotherfrancizAug 9, 2010
The thing is, better reception is not the same thing as causing a dropped call by touching a certain spot. Certainly some people like you have not experienced this, but there's no denying the numerous owners who have. The point is, the iPhone 4 has an Achilles heel whereas the 3GS does not.
drmartAug 9, 2010
You make it sound like you touch a spot and you will automatically drop a call. This is not the case. Touching a spot effects reception, so the comments above are relevant.
Closed AccountAug 9, 2010
Get over it. It's just time to move on with your life. If you're still fascinated and dwelling on this issue then you really need to take a step back and look at your life.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
wraithtdkAug 9, 2010
We can't "get over it" when Apple makes it right. They need to FIX the phone (and by fix, I don't mean offer rubber bumpers as a work-around, I mean FIX), and then offer a formal apology for their attitude. They spent YEARS talking crap (and deceptively so) about other people's products, lauding how their stuff "just works." Now they're caught with a faulty product and their response just paints them as the biggest hypocrites in the industry.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
enantiodromiaAug 9, 2010
Do you own an iPhone 4 which displays this problem?
wraithtdkAug 9, 2010
God no. I'm the guy that everyone comes to for an explanation as to why it's happening. When you're an auto mechanic that keeps getting the same model car in your shop for the same stupid issue, and you know that the car manufacturer knows about the problem doesn't fix it, are you going to buy that car? Of course not. What I DO own are the devices that Apple has spent the past half-decade talking smack about because of every little perceived flaw. They spent more time talking smack about what the OTHER guy did WRONG than what THEY did right. And now, when they're caught with a major engineering flaw that they KNEW about and REFUSE to fix, we're supposed to just let that slide?
No sir.
zippy757Aug 9, 2010
If Apple knew about the problem two years ago, they could have moved 'the problem' ( i.e. the place were the hand holds the phone) to a point in which the fewest humans would ever touch...
It seems so stupid to put the antenna separation line thingy exactly where most people will actually bridge it...
punkcatAug 9, 2010
you cant move the antenna higher in line with where people ears are due to the worry about radiation. if you notice all phones will have it in the same general area, away from the ear.
zippy757Aug 9, 2010
Thank you. Good answer.
bluekrossAug 9, 2010
When you have 10s of millions of dollars of signal testing environment and you can't produce an issue that many iPhone users have encountered, it becomes rather obvious that they knew about this. It's the cover up that annoys people. If Apple would have just come out and admitted that they knew this was an issue, and not try to act like every other phone has the same issue, then the community would have been fine with it. But no, they had to go and deny everything, then go back and admit it's an issue, claiming 'everyone else is doing it' sort of thing.
cusomanAug 9, 2010
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alabamasucksAug 9, 2010
It's like trying to reinvent the wheel by making it a square (no pun intended) and then realizing you F'ed up.
1platypusAug 9, 2010
I don't think your analogy is completely accurate. The design was not a complete failure, it was just that their execution was flawed. Had Apple moved the antenna gap to the top or bottom of the phone, this whole scandal would have never happened. When it comes down to it, the design is revolutionary. It's just that their execution was flawed. I find it very likely that Apple will use a similar design for many years to come (with the gap moved to the top or bottom of the phone).
strupatnAug 9, 2010
Apple didn't come up with the idea of an external antenna. They are quite good at convincing people they invent a lot of things they didn't. Back on track though, all external antennas suffer from more attenuation problems than internal antennas. They knew this but decided to go with it because of the advantages it offers.
1platypusAug 9, 2010
Where in my post did I say they invented it? I just claimed that the design was revolutionary. Judging by how emotional you get over this, you would think that you were the person that discovered how to create an external antenna and Apple broke into hour house and stole the idea (probably killing your two best friends in the process). So calm down.
As for the attenuation issues, it is clear that Apple obviously found some way to minimize the problem because as long as you avoid the sweet spot (which causes antenna detuning), the reception is great.
Before this whole antenna gate scandal, many antenna designers were praising the design.
strupatnAug 9, 2010
I was replying to 'alabamasucks'. Sorry for the confusion!
1platypusAug 9, 2010
@strupatn
Oh... Ok I see now. No worries.
rutledge14Aug 9, 2010
Ahem, well now you see. When RIM was testing the BlackBerry they also filed the same bug reports as did every other cellphone company.
enantiodromiaAug 9, 2010
Don't confuse the whimpering noobs with how real world development occurs behind the scenes. If TechCrunch of Giz didn't mention it, it's not worth considering!
chewittAug 9, 2010
Why are we still talking about this???
wraithtdkAug 9, 2010
Because Apple still hasn't made it right.
enantiodromiaAug 9, 2010
(according to non-Apple iPhone 4 owners)
Some people whine about Apple so much, no one expects them to ever be satisfied. If they could pin an out of country birth on Steve Jobs, you know they would have by now.
wraithtdkAug 9, 2010
1. Of course I'm a non-Apple iPhone owner. Why would I buy a poorly-engineered phone from a deceitful company that refuses to fix its flaws, and then cops an attitude with its customers for expecting them to fix an issue that never should have existed in the first place?!
2. I don't consider pointing out a legitimate flaw that interferes with a device’s primary function, and the manufacturer’s flat-out refusal to fix it, despite knowing about it for two years “whining.” Where I come from, that’s called justified anger.
enantiodromiaAug 9, 2010
"Of course I'm a non-Apple iPhone owner"
vs
"Where I come from, that’s called justified anger"
Phony Outrage. Pure and simple. Your views on business are those of a naive child. Please list all the non-deceitful tech company the size of Apple.
Your opinion is the product of Techblogs and 24/7 Infotainment. Relax.
wraithtdkAug 9, 2010
Of course it's phony outrage. It's over a phone. budump-pshhh!
Seriously, though. There's nothing phony or naive about expecting a tech firm to correct engineering mistakes they've known about for years. There's certainly nothing phony about expecting a company to own up and fix said issue when users start complaining.
I'm not an apple customer because I keep having to FIX Apples. What possible reason would I have for buyign something when 99% of my interactions with them have been negative? That's not pathetic, that's logica.
I'm a tech. Opinions like mine are not the PRODUCT of Techblogs. They're the SOURCE of Techblogs. I don't need techblogs to tell me what my transactions with clients tell me every week.
aplusjimagesAug 9, 2010
It's like Tiger Woods accident last December, the story just keeps unfolding. It went from a late night car accident to his wife beating him with golf clubs to Tiger banging more than 12 ladies. The iPhone 4 story just gets better and better.
kuseattleAug 9, 2010
If you are still writing about this you fail! I real life scenarios this does not affect most people and they love their phones, it is all hype so STFU. I still don't have one but I still not think twice about getting one to replace my 3g.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
wraithtdkAug 9, 2010
uhhh, dude? If it it does not affect a lot of people then why do we even KNOW about it? Reality check: the flaw became widely known BECAUSE it affected a lot of people in real life. Besides, at this point, it's not even about how severe the flaw is. It's about how terrible Apple's RESPONSE to the flaw has been. Childish and unprofessional. They spent half a decade talking smack about flaws in other people's products, and now that they're caught with a flaw, they act like children.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
Beep111Aug 9, 2010
That's what you get for holding yourself to a golden standard. Apple set such a high standard for itself and delivered numerous times, therefore people expected the best. When people expect the best, you better deliver. Who cares what flaws your competitors, your customers aren't going to pay attention to that. They expect decent companies to put out decent phones and amazing companies to put out amazing phones.
wraithtdkAug 9, 2010
I think it's less that they held themselves to such a high standard and more that they acted like their poo doesn't smell. They spent half a decade talking smack about flaws in other people's products, and now that they're caught with a flaw, they act like children.
protodonAug 9, 2010
The Bumper is the smoking gun that shows Apple knew there was an antenna problem. It's only function is the cover the antenna! It offers aboslutely no protection, except for the metal portion which imho, needs the least amount of protection.
schrutefanAug 9, 2010
Not only did they know about it, they tried to profit from it. Diabolical.
skellenerAug 9, 2010
Apple may have known of iPhone antenna flaw 2 years ago....duh....
nyx210Aug 9, 2010
fapple.
aplusjimagesAug 9, 2010
Crapple
caughtthinkingAug 9, 2010
Correction, Apple knew people could hold it wrong 2 years ago.
rrbakerAug 9, 2010
Y'know, the more I hear about this story, as much as I'm not a fan of Apple's recent decisions, I do find myself thinking back to the story about the 'design flaw' of any car wherein you can open the trunk, throw the keys inside, close it and lock them inside. Apple's response to the antenna issue did come with a good deal of hubris, but one can also see the frustration in putting out an amazing product and getting majority of the press on an avoidable issue. Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
wraithtdkAug 9, 2010
HUGE difference. With the car flaw, no one it's something no one should reasonably expect to be able to do anyway. It's unreasonable to blame a company for not planning on you doing something stupid. But "holding your phone wrong?" That shouldn't be possible. There shouldn't be any way of holding a cell phone that causes it to drop calls. If I'm on an hour-long phone call, I don't want to have to worry about dropping the call if I shift my hand a bit because it's getting tired. That is just poor engineering. They spent half a decade talking smack about flaws in other people's products, and now that they're caught with a flaw, a flaw they knew about for TWO YEARS without fixing, and they act like children.
aplusjimagesAug 9, 2010
Okay you shouldn't have a car.
buzzfriendlyAug 9, 2010
How long are people going to drag this "issue" out. Is there nothing else in the tech world worth reporting on?
ljseinfeldAug 9, 2010
Apparently nothing that drives traffic as well.
Closed AccountAug 9, 2010
As long as people keep reading and commenting on these submissions.
wraithtdkAug 9, 2010
Dude, they spent half a decade talking smack about flaws in other people's products, and now that they're caught with a flaw, a flaw they knew about for TWO YEARS without fixing, and they act like children. We'll stop dragging it out when Apple pulls their heads out of their butts, acts like professionals, and makes this right.
staticjolteonAug 9, 2010
No. There really isn't.
enantiodromiaAug 9, 2010
$20 says Apple is using all the iPhone 4 rage to smokescreen other projects. For once, the general public isn't playing "let's analyze everything Apple says to figure out what their next product will be".
I heard very little about the Magic Trackpad before it launched.
paranimalAug 9, 2010
I can honestly say the attena is a non issue... I've been on AT&Ts spotty network for years and the iPhone 4 is easily the best phone reception wise I've ever had, even better than my nokia e71, nokiA builds the fricken cell towers! I'm on the can at work never got Internet on my e71 in here haha I know TMI! LolComment is buried, click here to see the rest.
Closed AccountAug 9, 2010
Are you 13?
paranimalAug 9, 2010
Wow someone can't handle a joke...
Closed AccountAug 9, 2010
I know, like, I totally can't handle a joke, right. lol, giggle giggle.
lxplicitAug 9, 2010
I'm still waiting for my god damn bumper.
Closed AccountAug 9, 2010
more good news for Android
enantiodromiaAug 9, 2010
How on earth does a faulty antenna design on the iPhone 4 make Android "better"? You aren't even comparing similar things, OS and hardware aren't the same thing.
I can list 20 annoying Android bugs right now if you like. Should we assume they would all make Android better?
for3manAug 9, 2010
allegedly, and then "informed" - with writing styles like this anything is possible.
I allegedly can pee out my nose according to an "informed" source.
brokenvisageAug 9, 2010
Catholic school nuns back then knew this day was coming, that's why they slapped your left hand with the ruler if you wrote with it, it wasn't about the devil at all!
dtfinchAug 9, 2010
Bug procrastination and denial are nothing new, affecting many complex projects.
I gave up on Chrome over this still untouched 2008 bug and several others:
http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=255 (middle click fires left onclick instead of opening link in new tab)
geogobAug 9, 2010
I really wonder who could have filled a bug report on the iPhone 4 antenna in 2008. This horse is so dead and there is so nothing to say about it, that we now have to put up with the crap some blogs invent.
fredfredricksonAug 9, 2010
Why are people here acting like consumers should get over it? That's absurd. As long as Apple continues selling a product they know is broken, then consumers have a right to complain about it.
enantiodromiaAug 9, 2010
Right.
Unless you actually have an iPhone 4 with this problem, Fred and I think you should stop crying about something which doesn't affect you.
wraithtdkAug 9, 2010
Wait...so you're saying consumers have a right to complain about an iPhone 4 problem UNLESS they actually have an iPhone 4?
enantiodromiaAug 10, 2010
assuming i have read your broken sentence correctly, i am saying if you are so outraged over something which does not affect you in any sort of way, such as the antenna on a phone you don't own from a company you claim to despise, yes, complaining about something so petty makes you a -h u g e- douchebag.
happy?
wraithtdkAug 11, 2010
Not really.
1.You began by referring to my sentence as "broken," yet you failed to capitalize the first letter in YOUR first sentences, did not capitalize the "I" when referring to yourself, and used a comma where a semicolon should have been. If you're going to play grammar Nazi, the least you can do is hold yourself to the same standards.
2.since when am I only allowed to be outraged by something that has a direct impact on me? Is that how your life works? You only care about things that affect YOU? What a remarkably self-centered philosophy. No wonder the world's in such a state.
3.I'm not sure how many times I have to explain this to you before you'll understand it, but the REASON I don't have one is BECAUSE of things like this. But I still have to deal with my clients coming to me with problems related to it.
4.Even if I DIDN'T have to deal with clients affect by this, as someone who works in, and is passionate about, technology; things like this piss me off on principle (a word I doubt is in Apple's vocabulary). They discovered a design flaw in their product, and they refuse to FIX said product despite continued sales.
5.There's also the matter of the half decade of smug, deceptive chiding of competitors for every flaw their products had, real or perceived, whether it was acknowledged and worked on or not, and now, when THEY are caught with a flaw, they want to just shrug it off and ignore it. That doesn't work for me.
6.I have plenty of comments on other subjects not relating to Apple. That being said, it's no secret that I have a very poor opinion of them. Were you under the impression that I was trying to hide that? It is my informed opinion that Apple is like a cancer in its industry. This view, however, changes nothing. Everything I've said about their actions in this matter remain true, and certainly do nothing to improve Apple's standings with me.
7.I see you've given up on reasoned response and are reverting to school yard taunts. What a shock you're on Apple's side.
zenmojoAug 9, 2010
I like to f**k with my friends with their iPhone 4's by holding my Eris in complex and completely improbable ways while making phone calls.
My favorite? The two-handed upside down chin grab.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
gumphlumphAug 9, 2010
"Problems with the antenna haven't done any meaningful damage to Apple's iPhone 4 sales" while it may be a small drop in the ocean, I for one didn't upgrade to an iPhone 4, in fact I moved over to an Android phone, as did everyone else in my company. If Mr. Jobs hadn't treated the public like a bunch of morons and spouted outright lies we may have stuck with them, but that kind of BS loses clients. Hopefully more people will see it the same way and send Mr. jobs a little wakeup call.
westonpAug 9, 2010
Slow news day? This horse is dead and has already been beaten quite a bit. Why beat it more?
Most people running their mouths about this crap don't even own an iPhone, so why should they even care? People who actually have an iPhone 4 can simply update to iOS 4.0.1 and the "problem" is solved... I had to deliberately try to induce this issue before, and now it's takes more effort (and needs a weaker cell signal area to begin with). When it comes to actual call performance, it still hasn't given me any problem.
wraithtdkAug 9, 2010
Maybe if the horse's owner would do something about the damned corpse, we wouldn't have to worry about it being beaten.
Even if you don't OWN an iPhone, you've probably been subjected to the last half decade of Apple talking smack about every little flaw, real or percieved; about their competition. People like to see annoying companies get a taste of their own medicen.
enantiodromiaAug 9, 2010
Infographic: Who Is Still Dwelling On This Issue
A: Tech Blogs: More rage equals more page loads which equals more ads served
B: Apple Haters: They hate everything Apple does anyway and will never be satisfied
C: Spoiled iPhone Users: They waited outside in the rain for six hours to buy their new toy. They were outraged when they were expected to honor the two year contacts they signed. They demanded to be treated special by AT&T. Now they are forced to endure the injustice of a wonky hardware issue that is easily fixed by anyone with two seconds and a piece of clear tape.
Guess what? Sometimes wonky hardware issues happen. If you can't accept that, you should have returned your phone within 30 days and bought something else. Of course, most phones have some kind of wonky hardware issue, because they are god damned multi-touch GPS enabled space-phone mini-super computers.
wraithtdkAug 9, 2010
Where do I begin?
1. That wasn't an infographic. Info graphics have...you know...GRAPHICS.
2. You missed a couple of segments:
D. IT guys sick of explaining the problem to client.
E. IT guys and engineers who have a sense of PRINCIPLE and don't like it when a company that has a MASSIVE budget to throw at a project not only refuses to fix a problem they knew about for years, but cops an attitude with people reporting it.
F. People who spent the past five years listening to Apple talk smack about every little problem, real or perceived, with their competitor's products, and now would like to them get a taste of their own medicine.
Nice try. Maybe if you tossed in more completely unnecessary profanity, it would make you more correct.
enantiodromiaAug 10, 2010
"1. That wasn't an infographic. Info graphics have...you know...GRAPHICS."
Wow, nothing gets past you, Nancy Drew...
"D. IT guys sick of explaining the problem to client."
What are you trying to say here? I am the IT guys at a pretty big company, where most people use iPhones, and I have never had to explain anything to anyone. Swing and a miss.
"E. IT guys and engineers who have a sense of PRINCIPLE and don't like it when a company that has a MASSIVE budget to throw at a project not only refuses to fix a problem they knew about for years, but cops an attitude with people reporting it."
Hah, this is where you totally lose. You know who doesn't really give a two s**ts about this problem? IT guys and Engineers, because we actually know things like this happen.
Before you even try to whimper out a little come back, please tell me, have you been working in the top tier of IT companies for the past 15 years? I have. Have you actually worked at the big places like Microsoft, Google, Yahoo!, Apple, Cisco? I have. Have you seen dozens of issues like this come and go without any phony outrage from the cluetard masses? I have.
So please, let's hear your pedigree before you spout out additional asinine observations on how an industry you don't seem to be a part of feels about this issue.
I'll check back later. I can't wait.
wraithtdkAug 11, 2010
1.1. Dude, you called your post an infographic. But it had no graphics. Don't try to play it off.
2."What am I trying to say here?" The same thing that I succeeded in saying: that your failed attempt at an infographic was missing pertinent data, such as IT guys who are sick of explaining problems with "iPhone 4."
3.Way to miss the point. It guys and Engineers with principle are pissed about this because of the way Apple's handled it. Yea, things like this happen. But when it happens to anyone with a decent sense of RESPONSIBILITY, they say "hey, sorry about that. We'll fix it." ESPECIALLY if they've spent the past half decade talking smack about everyone else's mistakes.
4.No, I haven't worked for any of those companies. Nor do I believe for a second that you have. "Phony outrage from the cluetard masses?" "Joe sixpack?" You're not elite, just elitist.
enantiodromiaAug 9, 2010
"I'm the guy that everyone comes to for an explanation as to why it's happening."
Oh.. so you're in the Geek Squad?
You can calm your stupid phony outrage btw, it makes you look dumb. I have had many phones in the last decade, some of them were good, some of them sucked, yet I never built up the level of phony outrage you seem to have.
Did someone hurt your feelings?
wraithtdkAug 9, 2010
I'm not in The Geek Squad. I'm a systems administrator with six years of experience. I handle IT for a company of over two hundred and fifty people, most of whom rely on their smartphones as a critical component for their business.
You can keep repeating "phony outrage" as much as you want. Make it your personal mantra. It doesn't make it any less illogical. They knew about a flaw in their product's design that caused its primary function to stop working under certain reasonably expected circumstances for two years and did nothing to fix it; then copped an attitude with their paying customers who complained.
Poor engineering. Poor customer service. Unprofessional attitude. I don't need to fake outrage.
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enantiodromiaAug 10, 2010
You're a sysadmin? I find that incredibly har dot believe. Are you sure you don't mean Help Desk dude working on an A+ cert?
wraithtdkAug 10, 2010
I mean I'm a System Administrator. I manage an AD domain of five branch offices, an Exchange server, a Zultys MX250 PBX and a dedicated VPN appliance, all serving over two hundred and fifty people. I've been in the industry for six years now.
I believe what I read online from credible sources, because I have no reason NOT to. Particularly not when what I read is confirmed on a daily basis.
But hey, if it makes you feel any better, you can keep up the childish taunting. I'm sure sixth grade boys find you hilarious. Personally, I find it funny that you mock me, and yet at this point the best you can muster is a completely ad-hominem jab.
kewl4evaAug 10, 2010
Apple's greed knows no bounds...