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mabakerbrakerAug 13, 2010
And in other news Google is getting its butt kicked by stealing Java and sneaking it into its own data stealing mobile OS.
Oh, drones. It’s no fun to like Google nowadays.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
Closed AccountAug 13, 2010
YEAH DRONES LOL
ki77erbAug 13, 2010
Corporations sue each other all the time for patent infringement, stealing ideas, content, etc...Its all about politics. Apple is not immune either. They have sued and been sued just as much as the other guys.
galvoAug 13, 2010
What a toolbag.
trifoldAug 13, 2010
Good lord you sound like a freeper ranting about Obama.
Closed AccountAug 13, 2010
Stealing Java? How is that even possible? It's Open Source now for Christ-sake...
nationalistAug 14, 2010
but...but...but... ;(
InfinityComplexAug 13, 2010
You do know that Eric Schmidt lead the Java development team at Sun, don't you?
Also, when are you going to f**king help me with my WSDL problem, iPhone expert? I gotta get this app out the door. You don't want me to have to write it for Android, do you?
jack416Aug 14, 2010
Apple's being sued for multitouch patents. Enough said.
jimv1983Aug 14, 2010
How does someone own a language?
Closed AccountAug 13, 2010
DROID DOES
jsmithersAug 13, 2010
...N'T
goptrollAug 13, 2010
This is worse then politics on digg.
Obama & Apple are their only two thought processes. Anyone who goes against it, with facts or not, DIGG DOWNComment is buried, click here to see the rest.
nastjuidAug 13, 2010
Was going to write something constructive, but saw your username. Good show.
devfoxAug 16, 2010
Word!
Closed AccountAug 13, 2010
Apple Fan-Boy Bury Brigade Assemble!
shanosAug 13, 2010
Pass nokia and rim before you celebrate.
I don't think apple care about market share.
worldofsmutAug 13, 2010
I have to rim Nokia?
subductionAug 13, 2010
If you've ever tried to pass a Nokia you know how hard that is on your rim.
ki77erbAug 13, 2010
Dont celebrate progress? Apple doesn't care about market share? What the hell are you talking about? I need a drink now and its only 9am....thanks a lot.
macparrotAug 13, 2010
Market-share while important, isn't really the end all to be all to judge a company or the failure or success of its products. Apple has some of the highest margins in the industry (whether this is a good thing or a bad thing depends on if you're the company selling or the consumer buying) so it doesn't need to sell nearly as many as the various Android device makers to make a lot of money.
They just need their market-share to be high enough to ensure developers continue to make products for their eco-system.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
southsideirishAug 13, 2010
Apple hasn't cared about market share since Steve came back. If they did then you would be able to buy OS X computers, and iOS devices from other manufacturers. Also, you can't exactly be sued by the FTC for anti-trust, if there are more Android device then iOS devices. Can you?Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
blatsekAug 13, 2010
The stupid, it hurts. Yes they care about marketshare. The more people using their app store and itunes the more money they make. It's a very simple concept people.
formerbabbyAug 13, 2010
Apple cares about market share that is why they are slowly transforming into a mobile company. Can't win a majority in the PC market so they are getting a good start in the mobile market.
darkstar3333Aug 13, 2010
Except they are focused on a single platform while devices in every size, style and manufacture are being constantly launched.
Some people actually like choice. The iPhone was cool when it came out but people in general are sick of seeing them now. Same thing happened with the RAZR.
r1ptide64Aug 13, 2010
Getting a good start? iPod, iPhone and iPad are the big moneymakers at Apple, not Macs.
spacemanspiff22Aug 13, 2010
Well one interesting stat is that android sold right around the same amount as rim the past year, which in smartphone sales is huge, since the lifespan of devices is typically 2 years. There was also the study from a few weeks ago that said only 50% of blackberry users plan to get another one once their contract is up. They've got the torch with an updated os out, but I really don't think its going to be enough. They may soon be relegated to business customers.
mwrlAug 13, 2010
Apple sucks, glad to here their crappy products are falling behind.
woollymittensAug 13, 2010
Don't be so childish you tosser. Do you also have an opinion of your own?
worldofsmutAug 13, 2010
If only you could *here* how stupid you sound.
chaos36Aug 13, 2010
here?
gerrylazloAug 13, 2010
hear, hear.
Closed AccountAug 13, 2010
I don't own any and never have but they actually have some good products.
macparrotAug 13, 2010
Depends on how you look at it. There isn't a single Droid phone that sells more than the iPhone. This is a combination of all Droid-based phones vs one single phone
ronnisrAug 14, 2010
Doesn't really matter to Google what device you got, as long as it run Android with the Google services. And developers doesn't really care either, what matters to them is if you run a version of Android that's compatible with their apps.
glimp7Aug 13, 2010
You suck for not getting your facts straight. A jailbroken iPhone 4 (i haz) kicks ass. 250,000+ Apps with all the extra goodness of Cydia and Rock.
kestrelAug 14, 2010
<sarcasm>
Wow... quite an achievement:
Dozens of models of phones put out by many different manufacturers have finally managed to catch up to a single device put out by a single manufacturer.
</sarcasm>
martin987Aug 13, 2010
Agh but apple, you've taken my heart
mrstabbyAug 13, 2010
These comments are going to be annoying as f**k.
spawn2105Aug 13, 2010
Good call, they already are.
jsmithersAug 13, 2010
REALITY CHECK:
Android phones are now selling 200,000/day. Big huh? Except Nokia/Symbian phones are now selling 300,000/day and sales are up over 40% in the last year. AND that's with their "crap" "old" S60 5th ed. touch UI (otherwise known as Symbian^1). Just think what sales will be like with Symbian^3 out in the next few weeks.
"But...they don't have carrier support!" - yes they will have! Announced soon, across the US.
"But...they don't have games!" - yes they do and will have, big name support from EA and others.
"But they don't have 3D graphics and they do have underspecced phones" - well I better not tell you Symbian has had 3D for years then, and the N8 released shortly has the highest specced GPU on the market.
Oh, and the price of the N8 undercuts all high end iPhones and Androids and it's other features blow the competition away - HDMI out, TRUE Dolby Digital 5.1 Surround sound out, USB on the Go, Bluetooth mouse/keyboard control, the most advanced camera ever seen on a phone blowing away many standalone cameras let alone phones, etc.
Nokia/Symbian FTW.
You can digg me down now :)Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
mojo8472Aug 13, 2010
Nice bit of copypasta from your previous posts.
http://digg.com/users/jsmithers
trifoldAug 13, 2010
Nothing's better than fanboys of things nobody on Earth cares about. It's like if a Yankees fan and a Red Sox fan were in a bar taunting each other, and all of the sudden a Florida Marlins fan came in and started yelling at them both. Nobody's talking to you, go away.
kerrigoreAug 13, 2010
Hmm, it's Digg's lone nokia fanboy spamming the same comment again. Yawn.
You're like an OS/2 fanboy in a Mac OS X vs Windows 7 debate.
saikyanAug 13, 2010
tl;dr
renanrrinaldiAug 13, 2010
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJpEuMidcSU
caughtthinkingAug 13, 2010
Comments about those comments are twice as annoying.
manbeefAug 13, 2010
Comments about those comments about those comments are three times as annoying.
kerrigoreAug 13, 2010
Comments that reference internet memes are over 9000 times as annoying.
Closed AccountAug 13, 2010
Agree, I've decided to stop by voting yours up and then closing the tab.
cockofdoodieAug 13, 2010
It's just amusing how abnoxious bout android and apple fanboys are. I've never seen a Nokia or RIM fanboy get this annoying.
jtmonAug 13, 2010
Really? Check jsmithers post above yours.
Closed AccountAug 14, 2010
Mr Stabby!! O_o
ehauganAug 13, 2010
40+ Android phones worldwide vs 2 iPhone models. I'd fully expect Android to overtake the iPhone in marketshare. I'm still not impressed though. Call me when everyone starts comparing every new phone that comes out against an Android phone.
rongallantAug 13, 2010
Exactly. Also, comparing iPhone to Android makes no sense. Shouldn't it be Android against iOS? When one competing phone outsells the iPhone, than I will be impressed. Of course, by impressed I mean I may take another 30 seconds to comment on that article.
cl1mh4224rdAug 13, 2010
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vtorchAug 13, 2010
iPhone *IS* iOS.
kornbred79Aug 13, 2010
iOS also runs on iPad and iPod Touch.
spacemanspiff22Aug 13, 2010
iPad and iPod Touch run iOS but for obvious reasons are not included in smartphone stats, which these are.
Plus, I don't understand why people keep bringing those up. Google TV runs android, and tons of other devices will in the future, but we won't be counting those towards smartphone sales either.
kerrigoreAug 13, 2010
I'm not sure how they're defining "smartphone" either, because I know Android runs on a lot of phones that I wouldn't necessarily consider "smartphones". How you define smartphones can affect your marketshare numbers a lot.
Last I saw, Apple still has a huge lead in browser usage statistics.
crocodile7Aug 14, 2010
It *IS* the iOS vs Android OS comparison.
What matters the most is the platform adoption -- it determines the future, from app distribution terms (free for all vs. Apple-approved) to development tools (anything-on-Java-bytecode vs. Apple-controlled, changed on whim).
Who cares if one specific phone model outsells another? Many old Nokias (1600 maybe?) can easily beat any smartphone when it compes to the number of units sold globally. Phone manufacturers may care, but broad public should not...
freshyillAug 13, 2010
And don't forget that in the US, the iPhone is only on AT&T. There's a lot of people who won't buy a phone on AT&T, and a lot who are just waiting for it to come to Verizon.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
Closed AccountAug 13, 2010
So what about the rest of the world, where the iPhone is more freely available?
freshyillAug 13, 2010
I don't know, what about it? I didn't comment on that because I don't particularly know. I'm not saying that the iPhone will surge ahead of Android when that happens, but there will certainly be a bump for the iPhone. It's certainly *some* kind of limit to the iPhone's current market share.
darkstar3333Aug 13, 2010
@ohreilly
Example: Canada, iPhone is available on all 3 major carriers and subsidiaries.
shundaroniAug 13, 2010
Agree 100%. This is the fallacy of the constant Apple v. The Other Guys comparisons. It's never apples to apples, pun intended.
It always ends up being Apple (a hardware manufacturer AND proprietary OS developer) being stacked up against an OS developer that offers its product across a wide spectrum of hardware. And we're supposed to be impressed when some other developer floods the market with their cross-platform software and manages to "overtake" Apple sales? That's hardly a shocking development.
To paraphrase you, ehaugan, when the gold standard for success in an industry is a product that is developed for a niche market, that says quite a bit.
clippclopAug 13, 2010
Uhh, iPhone and Android are targeting the exact same market. You absolutely can compare them, and you should as well. When they stop targeting the same audience, then you can stop comparing them. Until then, the comparison only drives innovation, lowered costs and better support.
This is just further proof that people want a more open platform.
kerrigoreAug 13, 2010
"This is just further proof that people want a more open platform."
Uh, no I think this is proof that handset manufacturers want a free OS that also happens to be iOS' closest competitor and that they don't have to develop themselves.
higherlogicAug 13, 2010
> This is just further proof that people want a more open platform.
No it's not, it just proves when 40+ Android-based phones are available, with most costing less than $100, that people will buy them.
volacideAug 13, 2010
"Supposed to be impressed," damn, what a douchebag.
gohepcatAug 13, 2010
That's not the best logic there. How anyone can not see this as significant is surprising.
clippclopAug 13, 2010
There is more significance that just iPhone vs Android. Don't tell that to the apple fanboys though. The second they get overtaken by something it's the same excuse:
"Well, it's a more open platform, of course it will"
Maybe, since you have to fall back to that ALL THE TIME, it's a pretty big hint that apple need to move in a different direction. This is especially true when they have two products in direct competition.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
kerrigoreAug 13, 2010
@clippclop
Apple doesn't care about marketshare because they know that a huge chunk of the marketshare numbers involves phones which aren't really profitable to sell. That's why they're making more money than Nokia in the cell phone market despite having a fraction of the overall cell phone marketshare. If you can capture the premium market, that is the most desirable part of the market to own. Selling the most phones doesn't really help you if you have to practically give them away to do it; lowering the cost and going for volume only works sometimes.
clippclopAug 13, 2010
Last time I checked, the cell phone market was largely dominated by $500 - $700 phones that are heavily subsidized under a contract. There are many Android phones that cost more, or the same as the iPhone and come with the same premium look. Nobody is practically giving anything away here.
Your fanboy is showing.
kerrigoreAug 13, 2010
@clippclop
Oh, all those "buy one get one free" deals on Android phones must have been my imagination then... never mind.
Closed AccountAug 13, 2010
That has more to do with Apple limiting supply and design choice than it does with everyone else. If Apple had 100 iPhone models then their users would be spread out across the models. Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
rolfAug 13, 2010
Apple would also be sapping it's own strength supporting 100 models for little net gain.
It would win much more it if came out with a Verizon compatible model.
Closed AccountAug 13, 2010
I called you but the line dropped out, guess you weren't holding it right.
caughtthinkingAug 13, 2010
rofl. its completely apples to apples. what's going to happen is the iphone will eventually find that sweet 5% that macs love to live in. if it were apples to oranges the ios wouldn't be losing marketshare at all.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
rotfoxAug 13, 2010
If apple really cared about their share holders they would release an Android phone themselves. Have a nice day :)
Closed AccountAug 13, 2010
I think the point is the tides are quickly changing against Apple. Android has change the game in the smartphone market because all manufacturers need now is good hardware. Apple no long has a monopoly on a responsive smartphone with apps. They're going to go down fast in a few years.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
fredfredricksonAug 13, 2010
If you think that's not going to happen, you're nuts. This is a pretty similar situation to the early days of Windows vs. Mac OS, and we all know how that went.
aladinsaneAug 13, 2010
Since virtually every new phone that comes out will BE an Android, why would anyone compare them to Androids? Also: I use my phone to call people. Thus, I use Verizon, which has GREAT coverage and service, as opposed to AT&T, which has crappy coverage and service. But if it makes you feel better about yourself, keep buying Apple, despite the fact that they purposely crippled their own reception to make the phone "thinner", then corrected the problem by insisting you use a case that made it fatter again.
deslockAug 13, 2010
I don't understand this argument still. I've heard it a hundred times, maybe more, but why does the number of phone manufacturers matter?
Enjoy the phone you have and realize that, yes, there is a better phone out there within a month of when you bought yours. The only reason I can think of is these comments are posted by Apple fans that feel that these numbers reflect poorly on Apple iphone? Get over it, this is inevitable.
People are carrying around extrememly capable smartphones and they are spending big money on them for service, content, apps, advertising, etc. Nobody cares what the most popular single phone model is, certainly not the developers and advertisers.
The point is about the market for handset developers, apps, and a money making eco-system. Right now, there are only two phone OSs worth mentioning, iOS and Android. iOS had an enormous head start and squandered it with anemic upgrades each year.
freshyillAug 13, 2010
What, you mean they haven't killed the iPhone yet? People are certainly lining up to get them, right?
Oh, wait. Nevermind. http://money.cnn.com/2010/08/12/technology/droid_torch_launch/index.htm
darkstar3333Aug 13, 2010
Yeah, you don't create a sales bottleneck when you can get them literally anywhere else.
qumahlinAug 14, 2010
The droid 2 is a failure just for having a physical keyboard.
gpw11Aug 14, 2010
I hate to say it, but that might be one of the most ridiculous comments I've read on digg.
soulweaponryAug 13, 2010
Maybe i'm wrong, but apple doesn't have 2 models here. They have 2 models per year. Each giga capacity phone model. 3 yearsx2phones models=6 phones +ipod touch+ipad= an insane amount of ios devices.
But hey, file this under #justsayin . The fact that we're still comparing anything to iPhone means that apple turned a freaking cell phone into a standard. Good for them
---Android user
qumahlinAug 14, 2010
ipod touch, ipad, and even the latest iphone sales figures aren't being counted in these numbers.
Also they currently only have 2 models for sale. So while I understand your "just sayin" maybe you should tell the news media how the figures they tout are irrelevant.
soulweaponryAug 14, 2010
2 models? Don't they still have the 8gig 3gs for sale also at the lowest price point? That would be 3 current models
volacideAug 13, 2010
I will but you probably wouldn't get my call on your iPhone 4. :/
33percentgodAug 13, 2010
Yeah,but is that because the iPhone is superior or more popular?
lincity2010Aug 19, 2010
Call me when developers start making more money from Android marketplace, than the App store.
5sistersAug 13, 2010
Release the ininjas.
glimp7Aug 13, 2010
Apple haz? mmm
felidaeusAug 13, 2010
They have ininj-
darkstar3333Aug 13, 2010
Like standard ninjas only more expensive and rounded?
docholiday22Aug 13, 2010
These
grindelwaldAug 13, 2010
Good call, they already are.
schmichAug 13, 2010
There's a glitch in the Madriggs!
akramAug 13, 2010
Didn't you ever get told, it's not how big it is, it's how you use it.
Closed AccountAug 13, 2010
Actually being a Magnum man and knowing how to use it has saved me from hearing this lie.
(prepares to be buried)
I'm not gonna lie, I've satisfied myself every time I've used it........ if you know what I mean.
Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
analjusticeAug 13, 2010
that's what she said.
Closed AccountAug 13, 2010
Superb news.
Perhaps now the media will stop thinking that the only smartphone in the world is the iPhone.
invaderdemAug 13, 2010
Apple not being arrogant? Are you thinking about a different company?
freshyillAug 13, 2010
No, he's just applying human characteristics to a corporation, because that makes tons of sense.
YouGotTrolledAug 13, 2010
Despite not being natural persons, corporations are recognized by the law to have rights and responsibilities like actual people. Corporations can exercise human rights against real individuals and the state,[3] and they may be responsible for human rights violations.[4] Just as they are "born" into existence through its members obtaining a certificate of incorporation, they can "die" when they lose money into insolvency. Corporations can even be convicted of criminal offences, such as fraud and manslaughter.[5]
kinda does make sense
elranzerAug 13, 2010
Well, corporations DO have voting rights now...
Closed AccountAug 13, 2010
Nothing can dampen the arrogance of Apple.
gypsieAug 13, 2010
You boys are mixing self confidence with arrogance.
robdazombaAug 13, 2010
Oh, you mean arrogance like when Android users say iPhone buyers are retards and make smarmy videos trying to depict iPhone users as lemmings?
That kind of arrogance or were you talking about some other kind?
crazygeekAug 13, 2010
Android is not a Phone! It is an OS and there a tons of Android phones across multiple Carriers. So yes, all of the HTC and Motorola phones combined took over the single iPhone. Is that really a victory?
lukas1051Aug 13, 2010
Don't know why you're getting buried, you're absolutely right. I'm pretty neutral on the Android versus iOS argument, they're both great OS', infact I probably lean a little to the Android side... but the fact is, lots of phones run Android and combined they are only just ahead of the few models of iPhone. I bet if you compared individual handsets the iPhone would come out near the top.
As I've said, I'm no Apple fanboy, but facts are facts. I actually wish people would realise there are other smartphones available of comparable quality, but Apple have such a strong marketing campaign and such a strong stigma behind their name it's not surprising they're doing so well.
clippclopAug 13, 2010
They are both targeting the same market.
The significance is that the more open platform is being more readily adopted. People want choice. That's why I buried him.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
kerrigoreAug 13, 2010
@clippclop
The point is, this kind of statistic could easily come about simply due to handset makers increasingly adopting Android. It doesn't show that people are actually *choosing* Android more than they were before, and could easily result simply from more of the choices *running* Android than before.
In other words, if Motorola, Nokia, RIM, LG, Sony, Samsung, HTC, and the rest all (hypothetically) switched exclusively to Android, then we'd see a dramatic rise in Android marketshare and it would dwarf the iOS marketshare. But trumpeting this as a sign that Android is a more popular platform with consumers would be somewhat iffy, since really any handset they buy that's not from Apple would be running Android by default.
One would naturally expect this as the result of continued adoption of Android by handset manufacturers since Apple doesn't exactly outweigh the smartphone marketshare of everyone else combined (far from it, they aren't even the largest).
Now, obviously a lot of handset manufacturers still haven't adopted Android, but it's definitely a growing trend, and I think that has a lot of bearing on these kind of marketshare shifts. It doesn't even prove that handset manufacturers like Android better than iOS, since they can't choose iOS and Android is the only real competitor in smartphone OS's right now.
iamacyborgAug 14, 2010
"infact I probably lean a little to the Android side... "
Have you told your parents? I hear that's the hardest part.
tuppe666Aug 13, 2010
It is if its a smartphone...Its the OS that makes it smart. Thats why the much voiced iphone killer never happened even when competing phones had better hardware. Android simply makes these phones smart :). Iphone is being killed in the marketplace simple because Android enjoys multiple phones on different carriers at the launch. The 4G has compelling hardware...and smart but Google is looking to realise there 3.0 version of there smart. While Phone companies are looking to refresh their hardware, and I am not just talking dual core processers and better cameras. I'm talking cheap entry level phones. So not just a victory...a landslide.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
mithrasinvictusAug 13, 2010
iOs:14.2% vs android:17.2%
starbirdAug 13, 2010
This report is not including iPod touch and iPad sales. That would be the complete iOS market. As others said, this is not an Apples to apples comparison, as for now, Android is only on phones. That, too, will change.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
mxm111Aug 13, 2010
It would be relevant if it was correct comparison. Software companies invest more into OS with larger market share, so you would see more and better applications for larger share OS. But as starbird said, the comparison is flawed in the article because not all iOS devices are included.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
jackcrack7Aug 13, 2010
It is relevant. Android is already on more than phones. You can purchase an Android tablet or an Android PMP but this is just comparing phones using the mobile operating systems. In that category, Android wins. Sure it may be because it's available in more flavors but that's also a lot of the reason that Windows dominates the desktop market. Apple outsells certain PC manufacturers with their computers but as a whole, the Windows market is much stronger because they provide options to their users.
deslockAug 13, 2010
@MxM111
You almost have it right. Developers want to produce content for the largest "market" not the largest OS. The market we're talking about is the smartphone market... i.e. devices that people carry around with them everywhere, do all of their communications, look to find restaurants, services, even do product comparisons.
It's about the advertising money and content purchases.
Comparing the top Smartphone platforms is totally relevant, even when excluding the ipad and ipods.
rolfAug 13, 2010
It's not as relevant as it used to be. Microsoft made money with every OS sold, I don't think that's the case with Android. (Not licensing money. You can argue Google's services if you like.)
It will become more relevant if Developers abandon iOS for Android, much like everyone develops for Windows. But last I heard, there is more money in the iPhone world due to the nature of a single app store, etcera.
darkstar3333Aug 13, 2010
Google realizes that the payout is not immediate, like Microsoft they have the capacity to think and plan financially for the long term.
The Microsoft entertainment division lost money hand over fist for almost half a decade, now they are very profitable.
Google already gives away a ton of excellent services which is reciprocated with goodwill and brand recognition.
boonedogg1Aug 13, 2010
The comparison really doesn't mean much. So Android is put into a ton of phones and combined they have more on the street then the Iphone. Great. Congrats. Really though what does it mean? Nothing. Until Apple decides that it wants to make really cheap phones or allow iOS on other cheap phones people are not really choosing. The only way this would make sense is if you took a comparable quality smartphone and compared that to the iphone. Either way this stat is just a neat number that has no relevance.
I am surprised anyone really cares about this and wouldn't have already assumed it.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
qumahlinAug 14, 2010
"Google already gives away a ton of excellent services which is reciprocated with goodwill and brand recognition."
LOLOLOL. Um they aren't doing it for good will, nor are they "giving it away". You're trading all the information you send and receive on those services in payment for them. Your data is used to improve their ad sales and target you as a consumer. It just so happens in this day and age people are ok with sharing every detail they have with what they consider "a machine" not understanding that somewhere, someone has enough info on them to essentially destroy their life.
bbtwebAug 13, 2010
I would consider a victory to be the increased popularity of the Nexus One. Motorola and Verizon have done a great job hindering Android on their phones - even the HTC. The Nexus One has way better enterprise system support because it allows basic to advanced configurations for many important services such as wireless networking, email, group calendars, etc. Basically everything Droid doesn't, Nexus One does.
southsideirishAug 13, 2010
Too bad the Nexus One is dead.
Closed AccountAug 13, 2010
Um, no. The reason Android as an OS is "taking off" is due to market saturation.
deadpoetic333Aug 13, 2010
My rooted Droid will run laps in functionality around any stock N1.
admdrewAug 14, 2010
I'm going to have to agree with deadpoetic333... while the nexus one was a good phone, it's not really any better than a number of other phones. There's very little stopping people from rooting a number of different Android phones, invalidating the argument about the nexus one's stock version of Android (for example, Cyanogen Mod 6 is quite a bit better than the stock Android 2.2).
jimv1983Aug 14, 2010
1. Cyanogen (as well as other custom ROMS) is not as stable.
2. Hardware wise the Droid does not even compare to the Nexus One. The Droid is also one of the ugliest phones on the market. Especially compared to the Nexus One.
3. Have fun rooting your phone. I sure won't. I like having a warranty. I'm also not interested in potentially turning my phone into a $530 paperweight
@admdrew: what can your rooted Droid with cyanogen do that my Nexus One with stock Android can't do?
Sent from my Nexus One using Swype.
deadpoetic333Aug 14, 2010
I have control over my processor speed, wireless tethering, no apps that I can't remove, and early OS updates to name what I have off the top of my head. I don't have a paperweight and I've rooted 3 or 4 other phones for friends that tossed me some extra cash. Also, even if I did turn it into a paper weight I can reverse it using RSD lite to flash a completely new stock image onto it. I'm not sure what other android phone images were leaked. There are plenty of stable ROMs, some working better than others.
elranzerAug 13, 2010
It is because Apple and their fanbase thought a single phone on a single carrier would be the dominant force in the smartphone industry.
lilrabbit129Aug 13, 2010
It is the dominant force. It sparked the great "iPhone killer race". I think it'd be safe to say that the Android wouldn't be as sophisticated as it is if it only had to compete with Windows Mobile and Blackberry.
It'll be fun to see how everything plays out when iPhone goes multiple carrier. Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
kerrigoreAug 13, 2010
Um...? I don't think anyone actually thought this. It does sell an incredible amount for just one model (two, really) on one carrier (in the US), though.
admdrewAug 14, 2010
@lilrabbit129
> It'll be fun to see how everything plays out when iPhone goes multiple carrier.
.....it already is, except for the US.
cyborg31Aug 13, 2010
Uh, why wouldn't it be a victory?
Does Google care which phone company sold more phones? Do they make money off the hardware? They only care about spreading Android out and increasing Ad revenue.
boonedogg1Aug 13, 2010
You are right. Android is definitely in the hands of more people then iOS. Who cares? Do you feel like they went to the store and said "hmm, iOS or android?" or did they go to the store and say "Iphone, or insert any other of the 50+ models of android phones?"
I would say that most people are not choosing Android. They are choosing based on the phone and the price. Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
spacemanspiff22Aug 13, 2010
Read the article. It clearly compares iOS to android.
mxm111Aug 13, 2010
Then they should include all iOS devices and android devices. That includes things like tablets, iPads, iPods etc...
iamacyborgAug 14, 2010
Then they would have to add in all Android devices which are not phones such as the B&N Nook and god knows what else.
eaglered00Aug 13, 2010
Yes android's strategy is to have an open platform. It will make a difference when developers realize the can reach more customers by developing for one platform. This hasn't really happened yet, but I bet it will as long as apple uses a closed platform and sticks to AT&T
higherlogicAug 13, 2010
...one platform on umpteen different devices. I tried to install a couple "top" apps on my girlfriend's Android-based phone and they wouldn't run properly because the phone wasn't fully supported, so the screen was halfway chopped off. Some of apps had hardware-specific settings for only Motorola devices as well. As a developer, I find it easier to develop for a single device and OS version than multiple. OS and hardware fragmentation is a killer for the Android.
darkstar3333Aug 13, 2010
You realize you can return apps right?
boonedogg1Aug 13, 2010
because that is what you want to do with the apps you buy? Not know if they will work and have to go through the return process if they don't? Why wouldn't you want to just buy the app and know that it would work?
mrcontraverzialAug 13, 2010
@HigherLogic
Yeah look what supporting different hardware did to windows. It killed totally killed them.
moducAug 13, 2010
Yes, of course it's a big victory. Why it's even a question? What's wrong with you people? The two OSs are competing with each other. How each goes to the market is irrelevant if they competing or not. It's relevant how they win or lose but it's still competing.
If you still don't understand, let me tell you this. When someone has to decide between 1 of the two OS, whether directly, or through the hardware, the two OSs are competing.
boonedogg1Aug 13, 2010
Such an uninformed statement :(
Again, do you really think the consumers are going into a store and asking "does this phone have android?" They are buying the phone for the phone and not because of the OS (for the most part). Also, if you believe that they are buying it for the OS then then Apple has completely dominated because they only allow you to get it on a single unit. Buy this hand held or you don't get to use iOS.
For Android I would venture to guess that a large portion of the population with Android do not even know they have it. They just think they have "random cheap smartphone". If that is what you are going for then woohoo! But it doesn't mean that the OS is better or wanted more by the consumer.
This is why these numbers are neat to hear but really do not mean much at all.
- Proud Incredible owner.
moducAug 14, 2010
As I said before, how one get their OS to the consumers is irrelevant. If by random, the customers take it, then that's a plus for whoever owning that OS. Your argument that customers don't care about the OS. That is wrong if taking as a whole. Some are informed, and ask for it. Clearly, Google advertises it on TV, do you think that they wasted their money? Maybe, but like catching flies, or like advertisement, sometimes it works. Like Google making billion $ for doing just that. Because it works sometimes. Other times, they have to rely on other factors to get customers. Such as more hardware suppliers, more sellers, more models, more choices. You focus on one of my statement, and picking words out of it. Not nice.
qumahlinAug 14, 2010
"Google advertises it on TV"
Really? Where? I've never seen a commercial paid for by google advertising android.
admdrewAug 14, 2010
@BooneDogg1
Uh, what? Every non-technical person I know that ended up getting an Android phone did so intending to get an Android phone, either based on word of mouth, limited personal experience, or various ad campaigns (Verizon and Sprint have both tried to sell Android pretty hard).
nickkukAug 13, 2010
I think its funny that the Apple fanboys are starting to use the "but, but its only one phone, its not fair!" excuse now their precious isn't seen in such a good position. It doesn't matter.
Apple used a closed model for their desktop OS and lost the majority market share to Microsoft, the same thing is happening in the mobile space.
Apple could have learnt something and licenced their OS to other manufacturers, but that's not their way of doing things so its their own fault their market share is shrinking and Android is racing ahead.
moducAug 13, 2010
thank you for saying it out what I wanted to say. I love Apple's engineering. I was an Apple fan. I still want Apple to be a great company, and be like that. But truth is truth. They're losing the market share the same way they did with the desktop. All they need is just a few flops of the hardware, or strategies. For Android, a couple failed hardwares doesn't matter. People have other choices. If they hate one company, they go with another one. If they hate one phone company, they go with another. They have choice, and Apple don't get that. They don't get that's a great thing. It's not even if Apple produces 10 models. That helps, but the choice of phone service providers, the choice of hardwares, the choice of price all matters.
Apple fans, if you want Apple to be great, help them understand this, versus be defensive.
nexusmonkeyAug 13, 2010
Apple is closed yes, however the hardware the OS runs on remains constant. Meaning developers can easily test their apps.
Also, even though android has overtaken iOS, it is still way way behind in terms of app sales. For these reasons developers won't be switching to Android any time soon I think.
oea420Aug 13, 2010
Yep, in time we will see the same thing play out we saw with PCs...
Right now we see apple bringing new and exciting things to the market, innovating, blazing trail! But.. low and behold google has been taking notice and now has a totally open and FREE TO LICENSE OS that has about the same functionality, if not more.
So.. apple created the market, but google will end up controlling it. Just like apple created the market for the personal computer, but soon lost all control and influence over that market when they refused to open up their software to various hardware manufacturers.
They need to allow iOS4 to be licensed to other hardware manufacturer's... this is the only way to avoid this problem. Then you will have REAL competition between iOS and Android.. both OPERATING SYSTEMS.
The only problem is apple only allows their operating system to run on one piece of hardware, the same exact thing they did with their line of personal computers. People will just copy the software functionality and make the hardware infinitely better... thus destroying your product.
bbtwebAug 14, 2010
I think it's funny how the apple-haters are predicting the iPhone's doom. Give me a break. They aren't losing market share. Android is expanding. And last time I checked the Mac was still alive and well. Maybe not the market majority but who cares? The iPhone isn't going anywhere. In fact, with Android presenting some real competition (I doubt Microsoft will release an OS that will really have more than a couple meager advantages over iOS and Android), hopefully this will keep both companies on their toes and motivate them to continually innovate and design new features and ideas.
boulderbumAug 13, 2010
I'll be curious how those numbers change once iPhone hits more carriers.
admdrewAug 14, 2010
....you mean the multiple carriers across the world that it's already on?
Honestly, I don't think it's the "multiple US carriers" argument that's going to do it, it'll be the fact that the iPhone will (probably) be on Verizon next, which just happens to be the largest US carrier.
Still, the argument "what if the iPhone is on more than just AT&T?" is kind of retarded, considering Apple *chose* to go with a single US carrier. That sort of exclusivity was done only from a profit standpoint, and had nothing to do with furthering the cell phone experience; compare that to Google, who *intended* Android to be cross-carrier in the US.
iPhone sales will certainly jump once it hits Verizon... which, yet again, shows Apple making the same moves as Google, just a few years later (see: multitasking).
boulderbumAug 14, 2010
Obviously I'm referring to a Verizon deal, though the iPhone is available on single carriers in other countries as well.
Here's how it breaks down, however. iPhone is a single phone on a single domestic carrier while Android is an OS available on multiple phones every carrier. The growing Android fan base is excited the sum total of all Android handsets eclipses the sales of the single iPhone handset sold only on one carrier, but for that carrier (AT&T), the handset statistically accounts for literally just about all its new subscribers.
When iPhone comes to all carriers, Android will still have its fans, but there will be a lot of people waiting for, e.g., a Verizon iPhone, and many people who will switch from Android to iPhone because it's finally available on their carrier.
I actually agree that Apple focused on profit more than market penetration, and I think that has proven to be a strategic mistake. Pretty much everyone hates AT&T now, and Apple allowed Android to gain a larger toehold than they would have had otherwise.
Anyway, iPhone is still regarded by most critics as the dominant smart phone (forgiving its current antenna problems), and I have to give a big PUH-LEASE to the claim Apple lags behind Google. Android has some useful features (specifically maps, voice recognition and hotspot capabilities), but if you're being honest, Google is catching up to iPhone and basically ripped off many of their design elements.
Smart phones before iPhone didn't focus on gesture interfaces, pinch-to-zoom browsers, full-phone touch screens, app stores, and media capabilities. Give credit where credit is due and pay kudos to Apple, who is truly in the drivers seat of smartphone innovation.
jrackowAug 13, 2010
Maybe it's important to bring up milestones like this for reasons other than victory. Like, perhaps developers taking it more seriously. People having an understanding of its future, i.e., it hasn't been around for very long in comparison to the iPhone and has now overtaken units sold, so that tells us that it's kind of a big deal.
qumahlinAug 14, 2010
"it hasn't been around for very long in comparison to the iPhone and has now overtaken units sold, so that tells us that it's kind of a big deal. "
Fallacy.
schmichAug 13, 2010
You guys are running out of excuses. Just save your joker cards when Android will replace Symbian in the 3rd World.
deslockAug 13, 2010
I don't understand this argument still. I've heard it a hundred times, maybe more, but why does the number of phone manufacturers matter?
Enjoy the phone you have and realize that, yes, there is a better phone out there within a month of when you bought yours, including and maybe especially the iphone 4. The only reason I can think of is these comments are posted by Apple fans that feel that these numbers reflect poorly on Apple iphone? Get over it, this is inevitable.
yacksAug 13, 2010
But the article isn't talking about OS's across all platforms nor single phones.. just platforms across the cellphone industry and all phones .. Just because the iOS is only made from one manufacturer on one phone doesn't negate the fact that Android is on more phones even if that number comes from a combined total of different phones from different manufacturers. Now if this article was about what phone has sold more, than that would be the iPhone.. but this article is about what OS is in the most phones which Symbian and RIM still hold the lead in and they like the Android os are in a multitude of different phones rather than just one phone ala the iPhone.
meghalcAug 13, 2010
Apple could have done the same thing with their iOS, however, they decided to do it all in house and not share their OS. Imagine if Apple shared their OS with other manufacturers, they would be unbeatable!
oea420Aug 13, 2010
This is what I don't understand!!!!
Share iOS.. put WAY MORE TIME into iAd.. hell make it part of the contract to use iOS you have to include some kind of version of iAd or whatever...
then SELL THE GODDAMN ADVERTISING OUT THE WAZOO because your OS and Advertising Platform are in the hands of almost EVERYONE who has a smartphone now.
If iOS was open to use, you would NOT see android take off like this. iOS was first to the table. With the amount of hype/buzz and people who WANT an iphone.. devices with the iOS would sell like crazy
aaronmacneil14Aug 14, 2010
not entirely because the ios works around two buttons, the home button and the sleep wake button. three if you count the volume buttons. now i dont know about you but i can only think of maybe 3 ways to make a phone out of that.
darkstar3333Aug 13, 2010
The huge uptake of Android from manufacturers is simple economics. Google makes it really simple for them to just focus on hardware rather then allocating resources to write and update a device OS.
Going forward they will just write the HAL and they are done.
ronnisrAug 14, 2010
It is for Google, developers and consumers.
jimv1983Aug 14, 2010
It's a victory for Android app development.
scwatsonAug 13, 2010
Yer budday
studiopenguinAug 13, 2010
Speaking as a developer, I've said it before and I'll say it again... install base only really matters to us app peddlers, and while it's great to see Android getting market share, Android phone owners just don't buy as many apps. Business Insider reported the other day that some of the bigger studios are still seeing twice as many sales on the iOS platform, even though Android is on more screens. My anecdotal experience has been that Android owners also tend to want to pay a little less per purchase, and while my metrics for tracking this kind of thing are a little sketchy, the purchase-to-pirate ratio seems to be worse on Android.
I would love to be able to make Android my development focus -- open is good -- but I can't do that until Android apps are at least comparably profitable to create. Idealism is great, but paying my sprite artists and programmers for their efforts, keeping the lights on at the studio, and hopefully having enough money left over to make the next game is pretty great, too.
freshyillAug 13, 2010
You got voted down for making a reasonable comment. Those have no place in platform war threads like this one. I voted you up, but don't let it happen again.
clippclopAug 13, 2010
Because of the openness of the platform, business owners will obviously see less sales.
Free app that most likely works just as well or better
$10 app
If app devs on android want to see sales they have to actually make a competitive product, otherwise they are going to lose to the free product every single time. His comment wasn't reasonable in the slightest.
"I want my system closed because it drives people to my app since nobody else is allowed a similar app, even if it is better than mine"
How is that reasonable? It hurts the consumer and competition.
mascotsAug 13, 2010
@clippclop
From a developer standpoint, you are completely wrong.
An app may lose because in terms of quantity (distribution) if it is free, because people are willing to try something free (that might or might not meet their needs), but in terms of quality, a free app will not perform nearly as well as a paid app.
If you are not getting paid for doing your work, why make it the best out there? What is the drive? Sure, you can get money from ads that you stick in it, but that's less than you would receive from raw sales. Free does not mean the best because there is no reason for it to be the best.
Apple's closed system has benefits, just like an open system as its own benefits. Apple's closed system prevents piracy (solidifying user sales), a sure and secure method of distribution, and the prevention of fragmentation. Developers like me like this because it is easy.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
waspbrAug 13, 2010
A lot of android apps are ad-subsidized, so even if a sale is not being made, it does not mean the developer is not being compensated for his work.
studiopenguinAug 13, 2010
Granted, but there's an enormous quantity of iOS apps which use ads for either primary or supplemental (post-sale) revenue as well. Granted, though, I'd definitely be interested to know if Android apps went the in-app ad route at a higher ratio.
spacemanspiff22Aug 13, 2010
Why would anyone bury this comment? Its completely true. Having used both platforms, there are tons more ad supported free versions of apps on android that aren't just gimped demo versions.
lightstabAug 13, 2010
Developers are still making more money on the iOS platform because of the iPod Touch. They don't count the iPod touch when they rate market share. And the people with the iPod touch are usually children or teenagers and children and teenagers get a lot of apps, especially games.
A lot of people don't even know they're buying "Android." They're just buying a new phone and getting whatever is available from their cell phone provider. Most of those people are adults, who primarily use their new phone for calls. They don't buy a lot of apps.
lordmikeAug 13, 2010
That's a good point, and it will be interesting to see how the market changes when the flood of Android tablets come out later this year.
kerrigoreAug 13, 2010
Not to mention the iPad, which so far seems to have a higher cost-per-app than the iPhone/iPod touch for some reason. Like, Angry Birds for iPhone is 99 cents. But Angry Birds for iPad is $4.99. WTF?
lordmikeAug 13, 2010
The Apple culture is one that insists on paying more for everything. Mac users in the past had no problem shelling out $$$ for stuff that was half the price or free in the PC world. That mentality persists in the iPhone world, where users feel compelled to pay for every app out there, even ones that should be free. It's a culture of "buy". The Android world is based on open source, so there is more of a "free" mentality with the phone. There are a lot more free apps available to compete with designed by people who develop apps for the sake of developing apps, not to make a profit. It's harder to sell apps on Android 'cos your have more price competition from developers who release things for free. As a consumer, Android is a better deal from a pocketbook perspective, but consumers may not get to see the best apps ported by developers who want to make a living.
lightstabAug 13, 2010
That argument is bulls**t, since the majority of iPhone users own PCs. Like I pointed out above, Apple has more of the children and teenager demographics, primarily because of the iPod Touch. Children and teenagers buy a lot more apps, especially games, than the adults who buy Android.
macparrotAug 13, 2010
That's a good point, but developers eventually get tired of doing it for the "sake of the platform" and may want to actually make a little coin for their efforts. See most linux development for example. One reason it isn't ever going to be as popular (vs say Windows or OS X) isn't because it's not a good OS or easy to develop for, it's because few that buy into it want to pay for apps, so the big devs won't release or develop for it.
A lack of good apps (paid or not) can cripple a platform. See Mac OS 8-9 as an example
tuppe666Aug 13, 2010
Speaking as a someone who understands basic maths, to be as comparatively profitable to create an android app. Android simply need 2X the market share...with Androids massive growth that seems to be happening sooner rather than later...with tablets appearing later this year :)
Thats ignoring the simple fact that android has less competition for applications with a massive market growth.
Android for these reasons is simply more compelling for developers right now, which is why there has been a massive growth in applications on Android.
For users on android things are looking very rosy on a App front, and the Google apps are killer. :)Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
moducAug 13, 2010
I have to disagree on the comparable benefit.
If you do the calculation right, it's more like this:
Opportunity cost. What if you don't develop it? How much more money you make otherwise? Or how much free time for other things you rather have?
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newmanium2001Aug 14, 2010
Congratulations on enrolling in Econ 101. This comment is completely inapplicable to what's being discussed right now though.
Thanks,
Digg
universaljointAug 13, 2010
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clippclopAug 13, 2010
If you build in a modular (proper) way, it's easy to re purpose large chunks of code. That doesn't cover syntax difference though.
mascotsAug 13, 2010
A pretty big problem with porting code from iOS to Android is fragmentation. While there are 3 main iPhone models to target, there are TONS of Android phones, all with varying features and different versions of Android.
I'm not familiar with Android's SDK, so I don't know how easy it would be port code from platform to the other without a complete rewrite.
admdrewAug 14, 2010
@Mascots
I *am* very familiar with the Android SDK, and the difficulties you propose really aren't there; the fragmentation with Android apps is much less hardware-related than it is system version-related, which is why a lot of Android apps are built for, say, Android 2.0+ only. Screen sizes and other hardware differences aren't nearly as big deal.
It's like saying that Windows-based devices are harder to develop for because they run on a wide variety of hardware, compared to OS X, which runs on a small subset of hardware. Cross-hardware-platform development is not difficult when you have tools *designed* to build software on different hardware (like Android).
mascotsAug 16, 2010
@admdrew
That's why I said different Android phones AND versions of Android. The problem is related to both, because there are several versions of Android phones, they must be prepped for upgrading separately, either by the carrier or producer, which means updates of the most recent OS would be delayed for older models focus remains newer phones.
This causes the fragmentation problem when you have a lot of different hardware in the market. Let's say you want to take advantage of features in the most recent version of Android. You can, for some users, but for everyone else, they get the old or hacked way (if it exists). Or let's say you want to use a new feature tied to GPS (an example, I don't know what you would do), in the newer versions of Android that support this feature, it's a breeze, but with older models that do not, you have to do a round about route. Even if the hardware DOES support that feature, you have no software infrastructure to work with.
The same problem exists for Windows and OS X. However, these updates OS aren't performed as rapid as mobile OS software (Windows Vista to Windows 7, Leopard to Snow Leopard, or PPC to Intel) and the hardware isn't quite as diverse (you have your basic components [HD, Screen, Keyboard, RAM, Processor, etc] to a computer and that is it) therefore it isn't as big as a problem. Still, every time you do update your app to correspond to the upgrading of the system, you need to support the older versions as well as the newer versions. There are features the newer version has that the older can't so you either hack it to work or drop support for that feature. In phone world, hardware is more diverse and software is rapidly updated, so the problem is expanded.
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bugmenot2Aug 13, 2010
If the app is good, I'll buy it. I've bought plenty of Android apps, but I've only bought one Android game (ExZeus) because most of the games on the market suck.
leckigAug 13, 2010
what apps did you produce? maybe some people here would like to show you some support
fogozitoAug 13, 2010
can u link ur apps? lets see if they are worth it
darkstar3333Aug 13, 2010
Most of the best apps are free already.
In reality most apps are a waste of time, ive yet to find many apps with results I could not reproduce elsewhere with the same amount of effort.
Out of the 15 or so apps installed, I think 9 of them are Google.
jewstonAug 13, 2010
I don't buy many apps because there's already plenty of free alternatives on the android market, as a matter of fact I only ever paid for one app and that was PDANet because it was actually unique and useful even though I could of survived using the free version I decided to support the developers.
darkstar3333Aug 13, 2010
PDANet is good but sort of becomes irrelevant with Froyo with the new WAP functionality.
jbcseeAug 13, 2010
I had this same argument with a coworker today, he took your side, I disagree with it. Most software developers to not write simple apps which can be sold on an open marketplace for $1 ($3/$5) and for those who do writing for iOS makes sense. However, for the rest of the software developers who are producing in-house tools it makes sense to target the biggest market share, there are a couple reasons for this which should be self evident. However, I'll explain the biggest one, when it comes time to do a wide-scale deployment of the tool it looks better on the bottom line if you use less expensive hardware, something which is more common is cheaper due to economics of scale.
So when the CEO asks some project manager to come up with a portable solution to tie in with a generic POS system, it won't be written for iOS (except at the apple stores), it will be written for Android.
techrocket9Aug 14, 2010
What is/are your app(s)?
raccoAug 13, 2010
YOU"RE KIDDING!?!?!
You mean to tell me that the combined forces 20+ or so different phone models from a handful of different manufacturers are selling more than the ONE phone from ONE manufacturer?
Well that’s shocking news!!
Next you'll be telling me that all those different computer makers using Windows for an OS are outselling the ONE computer maker using OS X as an OS
lightstabAug 13, 2010
Not to mention the fact that Apple is making more than almost all the cell phone makers combined.
http://www.businessinsider.com/you-cant-appreciate-how-completely-apple-has-humiliated-rim-nokia-and-the-rest-of-the-gadget-industry-until-you-see-these-charts-2010-7Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
ki77erbAug 13, 2010
Well when you charge twice as much for your products as everyone else...
lightstabAug 13, 2010
@Ki77erB
Huh? iPhones cost more than Android phones? Since when?
macparrotAug 13, 2010
@Ki77erB
And yet the iPhone is still selling more by far than any single Android phone.
ki77erbAug 13, 2010
Well if you prefer Apple, and want to buy a phone, what choice do you have? They only have one phone so of course that ONE phone would out sell any one of the many Android devices.
ryanxmetalAug 13, 2010
ITT: Apple fanboys digg down everything because they're butthurt that they don't own the "newest most popular" thing anymore. If your company only makes one phone, and one operating system (every goddamn device apple makes runs the same s**t), and someone releases an open source alternative (no s**t, it's going on tons of devices) and you get outsold, YOU'RE STILL OUTSOLD.
Step away from the Apple colossus, stop blowing Steve Jobs, and start realizing that the technology you have doesn't own you, you own it.
densetsu23Aug 13, 2010
It's not Google's fault that Apple is close-minded and chooses to hang onto it's proprietary OS and only allow it to be used on the iPhone, instead of allowing other manufacturers to use it.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
phikeAug 13, 2010
Yea, but then Apple can't profit from the hardware, which is where they make a good majority of its profit.
admdrewAug 14, 2010
@phike
Apple makes a majority of its profit from hardware? How, exactly, can you derive that fact, given that Apple sells its hardware and software in tandem almost exclusively? Does Apple make the distinction that an iPhone, for example, is worth $X in software and $Y in hardware?
You can't really measure their software profit, given they don't license it out to other manufacturers, and you can't measure their hardware profit because you can't buy an Apple device without its OS.
ronnisrAug 14, 2010
@phike what i fail to see is what is how this a good for the consumers? If Apple cared to invest the money then ok, but they rather please their stockholders.
Consumers doesn't get anything out of HTC, Motorola, Samsung, LG or any other manufacture sells an Android device, but the marked share is interesting since this is where developers and consumers gets something out of it.
So unless you're a APPL stockholder or a fanboi i can't really see what you gain out of that.
Closed AccountAug 13, 2010
lol. Exactly.
jtmonAug 13, 2010
lol except Apple makes more money on those handsets than all the other major makers combined.
Closed AccountAug 13, 2010
same for the desktops. Apple was huge back in the days but then Windows released their OS for any manufacture to use and it over took apple. So i expected this to happen again. Apple needs to open up their stuff to other vendors, or else they will never overtake anythingComment is buried, click here to see the rest.
admdrewAug 14, 2010
I have no idea why you're getting dugg down... this is *very* similar to how the PC market was when it started going mainstream.
gettempapaAug 14, 2010
When HTC, Motorola or Samsung phones singlehandedly start outselling Apple phones I will be more impressed.
aaronmacneil14Aug 14, 2010
Thank you. You are now under my heroes list.
kg86Aug 14, 2010
i just signed in to digg this.
doctordbxAug 13, 2010
I wonder how many Iphone 4 purchases owned 3Gs, and I wonder how many 3GS/3 purchasers owned the original?
pinchduckAug 13, 2010
I don't know why you're getting dugg down, it's a great question. You can bet that Apple is pouring over conversion vs. retention data as they try to outmaneuver Android.
macparrotAug 13, 2010
The 3GS was the first one for me. I wanted 32GBs of storage (as I said from the very first time an iPhone article came out on Digg. Look it up if you wish) and held off until it had it. I didn't buy the iPhone 4 mostly because there was no 64GB model. Why would I want to pay more for a device with (granted a nicer screen and front-facing camera...neither was impressive enough to shell out for IMO) no more storage than I already had?
Considering the problems with the antenna and prox sensor, I'm glad I didn't
victoryginAug 13, 2010
"I want the one with the more BeeGee's"
macparrotAug 13, 2010
What does Disco have to do with this? Oh wait that was the BeeGees
darkstar3333Aug 13, 2010
If I want 32gb of storage I just switch my SD card.
modsuperstarAug 13, 2010
The reality is that iPhone users do upgrade frequently, but then the phone is either passed down the line to family or friends, or sold on Kijiji or Craigslist. I just sold my iPhone 2G for $150 on Kijiji and was able to upgraded to a 3GS. Like most Apple products the phones hold there value and have a pretty solid after market. So even though iPhone users may want the latest and greatest, there are still tonnes of older handsets out there on their second and third owners, buying music and apps in the Apple ecosystem.
breakawayAug 13, 2010
Android is a substandard piece of s**t. At least that's the impression I get from my Acer Liquid that I bought to test out android.
For example, I had to manually enable vibration for incoming text messages under the 'messaging' app. I set the phone to 'vibrate', and it would vibrate on incoming calls and e-mails, but not text messages. I actually had to go searching in teh settings to enable this.
Why is it that where "vibrate", when set globally, can be ignored by an app? And some app running in the background drained my battery from 90% to 40% overnight. Until these 'issues' are ironed out, it'll just be a substandard piece of s**t. Sure, if you picked up an android as your first smart phone then you're going to love it, but going from an iPhone to an Android is like going from a Ferrari to a Toyota.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
texaAug 13, 2010
You are going to get buried because the truth hurts the droid fans.
I disagree with you on the Ferrari vs. Toyota thing though. Most Ferraris are a pain to live with as a daily driver. Toyotas work well.
A better analogy would be going from an iPhone to Android is like switching from Mac OS X to Linux.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
shogiAug 13, 2010
You have to take into account the phone you chose too, as it's not a very good one. I actually know several people that have switched from iPhone to Android and love the Android more.
kerrigoreAug 13, 2010
A lot of people I know that having been using the iPhone hate Apple and are actively looking for a suitable replacement. I'm not surprised that people jump ship for Android, since many were only using the iPhone because there was no close competitor before Android.
boonedogg1Aug 13, 2010
Wait you mean if I have Android I can still have a really bad phone? Why would Android put their OS on s**tty phones? I guess that is why Apple will only allow iOS to be on the iPhone. At least Android can say they are being used by more people. Even if that means that for the most part the OS doesn't or isn't used to its potential due to s**tty phones.
Why won't they compare all Smartphones with equivalent feature sets then show the OS numbers? Wouldn't that be a better comparison? If Android can be on any random s**tty phone how is this awesome or even really news?
ronnisrAug 14, 2010
Who buy Acer products anyway?
frazzletAug 13, 2010
So it should. It would be a failure if it didn't considering all the phone models it's on.
dawknightAug 13, 2010
buried for flamebait article.
kultsAug 13, 2010
Most iPhone users upgraded 2G -> 3G, at least half 3G -> 3GS and half of those 3GS -> 4. I believe newcomers make about 30%. Also Android is shipped by many manufacturers so the numbers don't quite add up. If there were some stats about iPhone 4 vs HTC Desire then we'd have a comparison.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
yacksAug 13, 2010
" If there were some stats about iPhone 4 vs HTC Desire then we'd have a comparison."
No.. you would only have a comparison of sales between two phones... not the total amount of phones out there based upon what OS they run which is what the article is about.. In terms of marketshare.. it's not about what single phone sells the most.. it's about how many phones carry X platform and Android has a bigger platform in phones than iOS.. by your reasoning iOS is also selling more than RIM and Symbian because the put their platform in a variety of different phones as well..
jimv1983Aug 14, 2010
Comparing the iPhone 4 to the HTC Desire is not a very good comparison. One of them is available through a US carrier and one you have to buy unlocked at full price. A better comparison would be the HTC EVO, HTC Incredible, Droid or Droid X.
lightstabAug 13, 2010
They never count the iPod touch in these totals. Or the iPad for that matter. iOS still has a bigger install base.
flbotavaraAug 13, 2010
Which part of "phone" is hard to understand?
lightstabAug 13, 2010
Install base only matter for the apps market and who is the target demographic that buys the most apps? Children and Teenagers. What do most children and teenagers have? Smartphones or iPods? iPods. Who makes the iPod? Apple. That's why smartphone market share is bullls**t.
Apple has the majority of the demographic that buys apps.
temmAug 13, 2010
If you are talking PHONE you have to compare a single PHONE that runs android to the iphone, not all phones that run android.
shozikuAug 13, 2010
Did they count iPads as 4 iPhones taped together?
densetsu23Aug 13, 2010
They're comparing smartphones to smartphones. The other Apple products you mentioned aren't smartphones.
If you were comparing car sales, would you count everything with a Honda engine as part of Honda's car/truck sales? Bikes, boats, ATVs, generators, construction site equipment, etc?
admdrewAug 14, 2010
> iOS still has a bigger install base.
Where, exactly, did you get that information from?
texaAug 13, 2010
In the near future: "Android outsells iPhone 2 to 1"
In the not as near future: "Android outsells iPhone 5 to 1"
A they will still compare every new android phone that comes out to the iPhone. Apple will make more money with their 5% share than the rest of the industry combined. We'll see if I'm right in a year or two.
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tsothaAug 13, 2010
Neither did the PC have advantages over the Mac, which was a better computer. But Apple ended up with a 5% market share on the desktop (for awhile, at least) because software makes the system unstable.
By that I mean there's a virtuous cycle in software development, where the bigger the installed base is the cheaper the software gets, and the cheaper software makes the device with the biggest market share more affordable, and thus more desirable for the new customer.
nickkukAug 13, 2010
@Daniel, I disagree.
"Android simply doesn't have enough advantages to destroy iOS that badly." It does. The iPhone is just one single expensive phone whereas there are many Android phones to suit different preferences.
At the moment Android is only available on high-end phones with expensive data plans but its starting to filter downwards to cheaper phones, once Android becomes available on mass-market mid-range and low end phones, where Nokia dominates at the moment, then Androids market share will REALLY grow.
darkstar3333Aug 13, 2010
DanielPhermous: "Apple is unlikley to be relegated to a 5% market share"
Why do you think its impossible?
iPhone launched in what 2006? Apple managed to gobble up a large portion of market share in that time so what is preventing others from doing the same to them?
Answer: Nothing.
When you bank your entire enterprise on one product it better lead the pack. The iPhone 4 already launched behind the technology curve.
Get enough phones in hands of people and iPods will be phased out of peoples lives. Why carry two devices when you can carry one?
How would they do that you? Add 1-2 additional SD card slots.
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admdrewAug 14, 2010
@DanielPhermous
Sure there is: Verizon currently has 2 Android phones under $99. They may be s**tty phones, but they're still running Android.
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jimv1983Aug 14, 2010
Android has many advantages over iOS.
2 of the biggest advantages of Android are:
1. Not a closed system dictated by Apple
2. NO iTunes.
danielphermousAug 14, 2010
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urmyhartbstoprAug 13, 2010
You're delusion. Google as a company grew faster than Apple. It take them less than half the time to get where they are vs Apple.
Google's market capital is $153.4 billion as of October 5 2009. <--- 2009!
As of March 26, 2010 Apple is worth $200 billion.
texaAug 13, 2010
I never said Google doesn't make money off of advertisements. They do a good job of that and they'll make money whether or not Android is successful. They don't charge money for Android.
When I said Apple will make more money than the rest of the industry combined, which is already true today, I was talking about cell phone manufacturers. Google will make money on any phone as long as they can serve ads. Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
admdrewAug 14, 2010
@Texa
> I never said Google doesn't make money off of advertisements
Good, because Google makes the *vast majority* of its money off of ad revenue.
> They don't charge money for Android.
Yeah, they do; Android is licensed to the hardware manufacturers that make Android phones.
danielphermousAug 14, 2010
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pinchduckAug 13, 2010
Why do people get so worked up over these figures? They are entirely subjective. Android on an Evo works best for me. iPhones are the best phones for a couple of friends of mine. My wife just prefers a simple flip phone (which, taken as a class, rule the market). I'm glad that Android is doing well, because it means that I'll have a vibrant and lively platform throughout the life of my phone. I'm glad that the iPhone is such a smash hit because it raised the bar on what a phone could be, and forced everyone else to improve their game. I guess people are just seeking validation in the decisions of others.
thebuggaloAug 13, 2010
Bingo.
moronicfablesAug 13, 2010
Hear, hear.
paulneyAug 13, 2010
You're the anti-troll.
A shining example for all of us.
Closed AccountAug 13, 2010
Does that mean we now have to equip our browsers with anti-troll bars.
God, I'm sorry, I just couldn't help it. :)
aaronmacneil14Aug 14, 2010
You are one of the few people who actually agree with me about the iPhone making other companies raise the bar. if it werent for the iphone we would probably be using bricks with windows mobile on it. that is the equivalent to hell.
lightstabAug 13, 2010
Android Fanboy in 2009:
"It's not quantity that matters, it's quality!"
Android Fanboy in 2010:
"More Android phones than iPhone! f**k YEAH!"
rapaxAug 13, 2010
Exactly.
2009: Android wins on quality, iPhone wins on Quantity
2010: Android wins on quality and quantity, iPhone...doesn't.
2011: ??
tsothaAug 13, 2010
iPhone wins on snob appeal.
georgeclaytonAug 13, 2010
@tsotha: Damn.... that's one thing android will never beat the iphone at.
serif69Aug 13, 2010
@tsotha I can only find 5 Android phones that are cheaper than an iPhone: Motorola Devour, LG Ally, Motorola CLIQ XT, T-Mobile myTouch, and Motorola Backflip. All other Android phones are the same price or more expensive than an iPhone.
akazabamAug 13, 2010
2012: We're all dead, anyway, so who cares.
Closed AccountAug 13, 2010
"2012: We're all dead, anyway, so who cares."
I want to stick around for the credits though. I can just see that last hundred iphone, ipad, or iwhatthef**k ever users stand with their arms outstretched holding their Apples device. The precipice of eternal non-existence looms in front of them. Then, with the loving, benevolent face of Steve Jobs looking down on his flock, they wail in unison.
"WE WON! we f**king won. God damn it we won. Look at us now. We told you we were special. Just look at us. The last thing humankind witnesses before a 800 kilometer asteroid splatters them forever out of existence might even be Steve Ballmer throwing a chair at it. Couldn't hurt.
Google, in all likelihood will have ads on the asteroid.
Linux will divert it.
soopaflyAug 13, 2010
@tsotha Yeah. I have an iPhone cause it shows people that I have at least $199 in the bank.
/s
taylsAug 13, 2010
I don't know, man. I was in the market for an Android phone, but everything I tried out, including the EVO, felt like a cheap toy to me. Then again, so do all PC notebooks.
jimv1983Aug 14, 2010
I'd rather it felt like a toy than function like a toy.
Fisher Price My First Cell Phone.
trifoldAug 13, 2010
iPhone Fanboy in 2009:
"Have fun with your cheap copycat OS; iPhone's number 1 for a reason."
iPhone Fanboy in 2010:
"Who cares how many people use an OS? iPhone still delivers the tightest experience."
You can pretty much boil down crazy fanboy statements for ANY subset. Another Example:
Palm Fanboy in 2009:
"Just you wait, the Palm Pre's gonna be a GAME CHANGER."
Palm Fanboy in 2010:
"...crap."
admdrewAug 14, 2010
To be fair, the Pre is a pretty sweet phone; everyone I know with one *loves* them, as they seem to be a very good mix of standard smartphone touchscreen goodness and a great physical keyboard. It was terribly marketed, was offered only on Sprint, and probably could've used some faster hardware. Had Palm had the marketing muscle of Apple or Google, it's possible it could've been a much stronger competitor.
.......all heavy speculation, though.
jimv1983Aug 14, 2010
I played with a Palm Pre in a store for like 45 minutes once. After that I have NO desire to ever have a phone than runs WebOS. The Pre sucked to use.
urmyhartbstoprAug 13, 2010
Damn, you're correct. That death grip feature of iphone4 alone beat Android phone.
We should all be proud of apple for that.
Android is inferior, it got quantity so therefore if one phone company decide to add in the death grip feature for the android, the other android companies aren't force to follow suit. Such a stupid tactic. It's all about the quality don't you know? Stupid android companies.
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blatsekAug 13, 2010
Ever hear of BOTH...
ryanxmetalAug 13, 2010
ITT: Apple fanboys digg down everything because they're butthurt that they don't own the "newest most popular" thing anymore. If your company only makes one phone, and one operating system (every goddamn device apple makes runs the same s**t), and someone releases an open source alternative (no s**t, it's going on tons of devices) and you get outsold, YOU'RE STILL OUTSOLD.
Step away from the Apple colossus, stop blowing Steve Jobs, and start realizing that the technology you have doesn't own you, you own it.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
gerrylazloAug 13, 2010
If Apple fans wanted the most popular sold things, they would be windows fans. That's not what it's about.
ryanxmetalAug 13, 2010
Sorry, maybe "most popular" isn't what I really meant, it's more of the "look how cool and different we are" aspect. It's hard to explain the minds of apple fans behind mindlessly buying slightly shinier versions of the exact same thing xDComment is buried, click here to see the rest.
nominalgeekAug 13, 2010
Why do you take it so personally? Enjoy your google phone.
ryanxmetalAug 13, 2010
I kinda want a google phone, but right now I have a Palm pre (since they were up for sale I got one real cheap) and I like it a lot. And it's not that I take it personally, I just like provoking arguments.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
captbrainiacAug 13, 2010
You're right...sometimes it's just about status.
boonedogg1Aug 13, 2010
So people may own an OS based on the money they have available? So you mean people didn't necessarily go out and pick Android? Man these numbers are confusing. I was made to believe that people love Android and want it more than they want the iPhone. I guess that's not the case if people just stumble into it.
macparrotAug 13, 2010
It's SO cute that you have so little understanding of the business world!
ryanxmetalAug 13, 2010
Seeing as your handle is MacParrot, and your picture even has a mac in it, I see my argument is lost here, as you're already one of the mindless Apple zombies.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
macparrotAug 13, 2010
Still waiting for an argument related to business that makes any sense. Apple isn't selling as many iPhones as the entire Droid market? No s**t? Really? I guess they'll have to cry those bitter tears while the money rolls in from each sale much higher than each sale of a Drod phone. Apple doesn't sell as many computers as the entire Windows world. No s**t? Really? Man those record breaking quarters and 45 billion in the bank to hedge against future economic downturns should enable them to sleep at night.
Apple, Motorola, HTC, and every other company you might care to name is in business for ONE reason only...to make money. Apparently Apple is better at that than most. Oh and before you start, I don't buy every new iGadget that comes out. The 3GS was my first and only iPhone, my iMac is nearly 4 years old and still doing everything I need it to do (including running FCP), and my MacBook Pro is almost 3 years old. I don't buy until there's a compelling enough reason to do so. Which is why I didn't buy an AppleTV or a host of other Apple products I had no use for. But if you believing that every single person who has ever bought an Apple products does so because they MUST, well you go on believing that skippy if it makes your own choices seems less like crap.
ryanxmetalAug 13, 2010
And the reason behind all this? Apple doesn't let any of their software get installed on any other device than their own. If you could run OS X on a windows PC, people might buy it. If you could run the iPhone OS on an HTC or Motorola device, people might. Apple restricts their software strictly to their own devices. THEREFORE - THE ENTIRE APPLE PHONE MARKET IS THE IPHONE.
So yes, Droid uses a bunch of phones to up their market. Because they CAN. If Apple's entire phone market rests in one phone....that's still their entire market.
macparrotAug 13, 2010
Sigh...try again Ryan. Can you install Nokia's OS on an Android phone? Can you put Windows Phone 7 on an iPhone? And the list goes on and on. And because I'm in SUCH a generous mood today here's a link:
http://wiki.osx86project.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
What???? You actually CAN install OS X on other than Apple hardware??? How about that!
As far as how many total Android phones are sold from a variety of makers vs all the iPhones sold by Apple, doesn't mean much to me just as OS X having 7-15% of the total computer market (this greatly depends on who and how the counting is done and whether you mean just the home market or include every single device like ATMs and the like running Windows) doesn't mean much to me either. I enjoy the experience and have seperate partitions for Windows 7 Pro and Ubuntu all on one machine so I can run pretty much anything you can as well as all OS X software too.
Isn't choice grand?Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
ryanxmetalAug 13, 2010
Still, that's beyond the scope of this article. Main point being - yes, Droid has a huge phone market to beat the iPhone, but Apple doesn't have any phone market besides the iPhone. So the statement still stands - Droid market is now larger than iPhone market (regardless of other statistics).
It's like a team of 30 average people being able to pull stronger than one giant dude. Regardless of how big that dude is, or how many little guys it takes, the rope's still moving towards one side.
But thanks for telling me how I could put OSX on my windows 7 machine, because that would totally be worth it. Windows doesn't need a compatibility list, it needs a processor. Honestly I could care less whether you use a mac or not, I need to be able to customize my machine. I don't feel like paying more money for a machine that does things for me that I'd rather do myself.
I'm not (entirely) in this to bash Apple, I'm just saying that you can't claim that's it not a fair comparison, when it actually is pretty close. Regardless of the number of different phones running Droid, or the fact that there are only a couple phones running the iPhoneOS.
One company, or twenty. It's still a market.
And as far as Ubuntu...I have nothing to say. It's pretty cool.
macparrotAug 13, 2010
Excellent! Moving away from the only reason I originally even commented (the whole stupid blowing Jobs thing which is a stupid thing to say). I fully accept the statement that the whole of the Droid devices are outselling the iPhone. That's fine and honestly doesn't bother me or anyone else with a lick of sense.
If you are interested in building a Hackintosh, there are a few things you should be aware of. One, it's actually very easy to do from what I've read as long as you stick to the recommended hardware list (not hard to do as it's quite extensive). Two, if you do make one, be VERY careful with Apple's OS updates as depending on your hardware, it can totally screw up your OS X partition and possibly make it completely unusable. Never download it directly using Apple's Software Update utility, but wait until a patch has been released from the OSX86 crowd. It's usually just a few days or so later. Even then, I recommend doing a complete backup using the free utilities SuperDuper or CarbonCopyCloner on a seperate hard drive just in case something goes wrong.
It isn't that Apple is deliberately trying to stop people from installing OS X on non-Apple hardware (the numbers are so few that I doubt they give it much thought since going to Intel means they couldn't really couldn't stop them anyway), it's that they tune the updates to their own hardware. Now they WILL go after those trying to sell computers with OS X pre-installed (like they did with PsyStar), but making your own? Doubt it matters too much. I've often thought about doing it myself because the main complaint I have with Apple hardware isn't price, it's expandibility.
Since I only buy a new computer every 3-5 years, paying Apple's prices is not that big a hardship, but I do a lot of video work (not professionally) and hard drive space is gobbled up like crazy so it would be nice if I could have 2-3 extra hard drives internally. Less boxes on the desk and less things to plug in. With the iMac (I can't afford a Mac Pro without sacrificing something like my marriage as my wife would blow a gasket) I have absolutely no choice other than external drives. Even the new one with an extra SSD drive (at insane Apple prices) is hardly a very good solution and even then USB2 and FireWire is not going to be as fast as most internal options.
Sorry...realized I'm rambling. Good luck with whatever your desicion is.
imbetterthanuAug 13, 2010
I don't give a damn who overtakes who, but Froyo kicks ass.
ki77erbAug 13, 2010
Well said. Unfortunately me and my HTC Aria have to wait for a custom ROM because I dont want to lose root.
libbbAug 13, 2010
still waiting for droid over-the-air froyo update...
dutchsaintAug 13, 2010
You could just install it manually~
imbetterthanuAug 13, 2010
http://www.droid-life.com/2010/08/03/manual-android-2-2-update-for-motorola-droid/
You can manually update with those instructions. They give a link to the file on Google's servers if you don't trust the external links.
mmmmkayAug 13, 2010
My Droid is rooted, running Bugless Beast with 2.2. The Droid's keyboard allows you to play almost any Flash game and viewing Flash content on the web rules. That said, a lot of people don't give a crap about Flash or other Android-specific features and are loving their iPhones. It's all good - we consumers get a huge selection of high quality devices as these companies try to outdo each other.
jsmithersAug 13, 2010
REALITY CHECK:
Android phones now selling 200,000/day. Big huh? Except Nokia/Symbian phones are now selling 300,000/day and sales are up over 40% in the last year. AND that's with their "crap" "old" S60 5th ed. touch UI (otherwise known as Symbian^1). Just think what sales will be like with Symbian^3 out in the next few weeks.
"But...they don't have carrier support!" - yes they will have! Announced soon, across the US.
"But...they don't have games!" - yes they do and will have, big name support from EA and others.
"But they don't have 3D graphics and they do have underspecced phones" - well I better not tell you Symbian has had 3D for years then, and the N8 released shortly has the highest specced GPU on the market.
Oh, and the price of the N8 undercuts all high end iPhones and Androids and it's other features blow the competition away - HDMI out, TRUE Dolby Digital 5.1 Surround sound out, USB on the Go, Bluetooth mouse/keyboard control, the most advanced camera ever seen on a phone blowing away many standalone cameras let alone phones, etc.
Nokia/Symbian FTW.
You can digg me down now :)Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
jtmonAug 13, 2010
http://www.businessinsider.com/you-cant-appreciate-how-completely-apple-has-humiliated-rim-nokia-and-the-rest-of-the-gadget-industry-until-you-see-these-charts-2010-7
m0lluskAug 13, 2010
GM sells more cars than BMW, so they must be much better and BMW will have to go away soon. Or perhaps markets are more complicated than a simple numbers game?
johnomazzAug 13, 2010
Sorry man, I was an avid iPhone supporter. Had three models over three years. I switched to the DroidX this year and its is a far superior phone. The Android OS has some so far and the hardware has drastically improved right along with it. I have no regrets for leaving the iPhone and no plans on going back to it anytime soon.
blatsekAug 13, 2010
Same
cowboy1015Aug 13, 2010
Good for you. You are now an Android fanboy.
johnomazzAug 14, 2010
No, I'm actually not. I have respect for the iPhone, but frankly, its a kindergarten phone. Unless you've never tried anything else, you think its the greatest thing in the world. My wife still has my old 3GS and she still loves it. But at times she gets jealous of what I can do on my Android phone. I at times get jealous that apps get made for the iPhone before they do on the Android and that Android gets updates later than iPhone apps do. We just got a Facebook update that was months after the iPhone update. At the same time though, I am able to do so many more things on my Android that could only be done after you jailbreak the iPhone.
What I'm saying is that if you have only ever used an iPhone, like being spoon fed and being held in a fetal position, the iPhone is great. Its just like daycare. But if you want freedom from restrictions, the ability to do almost anything you want and have the option to do more if you wanted, get an Android.
snake36Aug 13, 2010
I agree they are more complicated then simple numbers. However your argument is not valid. If you compared only the GM cars that cost the same as the BMW car and there are more GM cars sold then it simply means that more people prefer GM over BMW. Wouldn't you think?
phyx726Aug 13, 2010
You would be leasing a BMW if you want to use that as an analogy for Apple.
Closed AccountAug 13, 2010
At least if i buy a GM I have more one vehicle types to choose from.
clippclopAug 13, 2010
GM and BMW target different audiences though. That comparison is really apples to oranges compared to iOS vs Android.
masterkenobiAug 13, 2010
I really hate the car comparisons between Mac vs. PC, Android vs. iPhone, etc etc. How about we just say some people prefer BMW's and some people prefer Audi's?
ronnisrAug 14, 2010
quality != quantity (agreed)
However: higher number of user = more developers focus.
darkgulfyAug 13, 2010
Android or iPhone is nothing more than user preferences... I have used my iPhone for a long time and i love it but if somebody uses an Android phone for the first time they will love that instead of the iPhone. In my eyes it doesn't matter how good the phone is I think it matters what the user thinks in the end. Of course Android phones will outsell apple. There is only two iPhones and how many Android phones are there?
I would say its like buying a car... Some people like VW others don't they rather buy a Mitsubishi or some other car. In a way it still matters what the person who buys the phone likes
This whole Apple vs the world thing is so stupid... They did invent some amazing stuff but some people just dont like it people should just learn to accept that there is an alternative to the windows or other smartphones and stop being so stubborn and say NO APPLE SUCKS...
but that's just my opinion..... Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
jimv1983Aug 14, 2010
"There is only two iPhones"
iPhone, iPhone 3G, iPhone 3GS and iPhone 4. How is that 2?
darkgulfyAug 14, 2010
two iPhones that are new... 3GS and the 4
Closed AccountAug 13, 2010
I want an iPhone 4. I want the one with the bigger GeeBees.
pathouston22Aug 13, 2010
Nokia > Android > Apple
darkstar3333Aug 13, 2010
Analogy Fail
enantiodromiaAug 13, 2010
pathouston is afraid of apps on his phone.
hey pat, i have my old motroloa pc550. want it? it flips open!
jimv1983Aug 14, 2010
Nokia? Really? I didn't know they still made phones until I saw a video of the N900 about a week ago. The phone was ugly, the OS looked terrible, sloppy, slow and didn't seem like the navigation was intuitive at all. I got the impression that the OS had been thrown together at the last minute. Admittedly Nokia has gotten much better than they were about 5 or 6 years ago.
arcticrobotAug 13, 2010
Why don't you android and apple fanboys collide and annihilate? Or fuse into something less annoying.
macparrotAug 13, 2010
The smug and snark alone would destroy the world
foxifiednutbarAug 13, 2010
LMFAO!
shellcase13Aug 13, 2010
Wait, what? Another operating system across several devices holds a greater market share than a single Apple product?! This doesn't sound at all familiar...
hanniballecterAug 13, 2010
I'm no fanboy or anything, but I can't see how this is a good comparison. Android is a platform that is used on multiple devices offered from multiple companies. iPhones are a single family of phones offered by a single company. It's just not a full-on comparison.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
fungie5Aug 13, 2010
It's a battle of ecosystems, not simply a battle of phone models. A larger ecosystem will force developers to focus more on the larger one first, since that's the one that will likely generate the most revenue for them.
jonathan102Aug 13, 2010
I am not an apple fanboy (I am currenty using an Android phone). But this hate for Apple is just getting ridiculous. Android is an OS, iPhone is just ONE phone (four if you count the four generations), don't you think comparing an OS used by 40+ phones against one phone is a bit unfair?
Apple hater, just don't buy/use Apple product if you hate them that much. We don't need a billion Google vs Apple debates. No one gives a s**t.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
spacemanspiff22Aug 13, 2010
Despite the poorly written description, the chart clearly says iOS, which is the platform.
jack416Aug 14, 2010
I'm not a fanboy of either products, but it looks like the Apple fanboys are the ones spewing their hatred today. I honestly couldn't care less and foresaw this a year ago. Of course, everyone laughed at me. Android is an open-source platform that's just more available, whoopdedoo.
schrutefanAug 13, 2010
That's nice. Now fix the Android Marketplace please.
misteratozAug 13, 2010
Honestly, I just don't need a phone as complicated as the android or the iphone. Having a simple phone that can text and talk is good enough.
asheisAug 14, 2010
I know it's hard to imagine, but having a smart phone changes the way you use your mobile device.
solecizeAug 13, 2010
I HAVE SOME FRIENDS AND STUFF THAT SAY STUFF THAT PROVES MY POINT ABOUT WHAT I"M SAYING SO THAT MEANS THE MARKET IS EXACTLY THE WAY I PICTURE IT AND EVERYONE ELSE IS A FANBOY THAT LIKES TO PUT PENIS IN THEIR MOUTHS ALOT.
jtmonAug 13, 2010
THAT YOU BILLY?
gwaggy12Aug 13, 2010
LoL at all the fanboys. Brand loyalty is a joke. Use what you prefer.
freckleearsAug 13, 2010
Use whatever is useful as well. I hate seeing people with blackberries/iphones/androids/windows mobiles that DO NOT NEED a computer device. I had an HTC P4000 5 years ago because I used the sucker for e-mails and as a modem to hook up to a field laptop to mail CAD files into my office while I was in the field. I would send and open PDFs in field for spec as well as run timesheets and travel claims to the secretary in .xls format.
I used the goddamn PDA for its purpose. Most of you tools are using over priced phones when all you really need/want is a phone with a browser, twitter, msn, facebook, and a phone. Most all flip phones do that. Everything is buying a phone as a frigging symbol of status.
Guess what... I still have my P4000.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
kmehthasAug 13, 2010
Yeah, FE, damn all these people having the choice to drop extra money on features they'll never use! They should have a feature justification form they have to fill out before they're allowed the privilege of such devices! How are people supposed to know how hard I work with my mobile computing power when such devices are so ubiquitous these days?!?!?!
Guess what? People like to get what they want, regardless of whether or not its what they need.
cowboy77061Aug 14, 2010
android fanboys arent really loyal, they just hate Apple.
hattonnAug 13, 2010
Ha But oracle has just pwn'd Android with a lawsuit welcome to the android oracle....
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/08/oracle-sues-google-over-use-of-java-in-android-sdk.arsComment is buried, click here to see the rest.
urmyhartbstoprAug 13, 2010
Err... no.
http://www.betaversion.org/~stefano/linotype/news/110/
Dalvik > your lacking knowledge of software programming skillz/comprehension.
dafragstaAug 13, 2010
As an iPhone user, I say "Good!" Competition is good for everyone. I love the iPhone, but Apple needs to pull the stick out of their ass in regard to the closed nature of the app store.Android is the only thing that can remove that stick.
sabinAug 13, 2010
Apple doesn't care what their competitors do so long as they keep making money. Android could have 80% of the smart phone/app market but as long as the Apple app store is making money they will never change it. The only way to make Apple change is to stop giving them money.
Don't like how the Apple app store works? If you've used it recently you aren't doing yourself any favours.
tuppe666Aug 13, 2010
LOL Apple would love to have 80% of the market. That is why they use proprietary apps and tied proprietary Software, with non-standard connectors, using non standard interfaces..and threatening others with their patents. Trouble is that kind of abuse behaviour only works if your a monopoly. They are treated like one, but it seems not to be true. :)
Closed AccountAug 13, 2010
WTF? A rational comment from an Apple user. Maybe there is hope for the universe after all. They are only phones and computers my friends.
jimv1983Aug 14, 2010
You like the iPhone and are praising Android.
Can't....decide.....if I....should...digg .... or.....bury.
*HEAD EXPLODES*
waleedoAug 13, 2010
I love me some Froyo
jimv1983Aug 14, 2010
Me too.
I love Froyo on my phone and on my spoon.
dougm68Aug 13, 2010
Pictures or it didn't happen.
mixeaoAug 13, 2010
Blackberry OS 6 will rape them in the a**
admdrewAug 14, 2010
If by "them" you mean blackberry users, then yes.
jimv1983Aug 14, 2010
Go to your local AT&T store and check out the Blackberry Torch. You will change your mind pretty quick. The Torch is a piece of junk. RIM can't seem to get a smartphone OS right. As someone who can't stand the iPhone it hurts to have to admit iPhone > Blackberry!
glimp7Aug 13, 2010
Rape is a strong word... lol
Or a sign of immaturity.
admdrewAug 14, 2010
............lrn2reply, seriously.
Closed AccountAug 13, 2010
The one thing I hate most about Android is the fluidity/smoothness of inertial scrolling (e.g. scrolling the home screen of icons). It is so laggy and choppy compared to iOS (even the first gen iPhone is more fluid).Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
clippclopAug 13, 2010
drop iOS4 on an iProduct that isn't the iPhone4 or iPad. Your problem could be solely due to having a phone with a s**tty processor (and probably is as I had no issue with this playing on a decent spec android).
Closed AccountAug 13, 2010
First and foremost, iOS 4 runs VERY SMOOTH on my 3GS. I can confidently claim it is even smoother than iPhone OS 3.x. And you're saying drop iOS 4 on the 3G? That's a two year old device. That's like saying install Froyo 2.2 on the T-Mobile G1.
I have tested on my friends' Motorola Droid and HTC EVO. These devices do not have "s**tty" specs. It's not the hardware that is the problem, it's the software (even on Froyo 2.2). Video footage is all over YouTube as well.
P.S. If you want better response on the 3G with iOS 4, just turn off Spotlight Search in Settings. It's the indexing that slows down the phone.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
admdrewAug 14, 2010
@likwidfuzion
> That's like saying install Froyo 2.2 on the T-Mobile G1.
Heh, at least that's technically possible.
Also, you tested the Droid on 2.2? What non-stock rom did you test, as it's very unlikely you used a Droid with stock 2.2?
Closed AccountAug 13, 2010
Not the case on the HTC EVO, this thing is as smooth as silk and lightning fast. It also has a larger screen and is the best phone I have ever owned and I used to have an iPhone.
blatsekAug 13, 2010
Runs perfect on my Incredible
jimv1983Aug 14, 2010
When you used Android was it like 1.6 on something like a Motorola Backflip? If you are going to compare the smoothness and speed of Android to iOS you should compare someone similar hardware.
glimp7Aug 13, 2010
But iPhone runs RAGE at 60FPS...
thegrizz51Aug 13, 2010
But can it run Crysis?!?! /s
fredfredricksonAug 13, 2010
Haha, you mean it can run a watered down version of a new graphic engine? Shocking!
ranzomAug 13, 2010
I love apple fanboys... it is like they have their lips snugly attached around Steve J's c**k waiting for the next squirt(next being the iPhone 5?)
fredfredricksonAug 13, 2010
iPhone 5 will probably come without an antennae at all, and then we'll have to go through another round of morons defending it and calling it a dead issue a week after release.
azadcreativeAug 13, 2010
Dude, now there's coffee on my keyboard!
Closed AccountAug 13, 2010
I watched a special the other night on CNBC. It was all about Apple and it's comeback. This is no bulls**t, but I actually thought there would be a segment on the special where every one drops their pants and spontaneously starts sucking each other off. I have never seen a more retarded bunch of idiots endlessly throwing accolades on each other. Needless to say, I never made it to the finish of the show. Anyone else hear that sucking sound? And I don't mean the jobs headed to Mexico sounds. They are only computers and phones, not the manifestation of Jesus Christ's return. You would have though Steve Jobs just invented fire by how else? Magic.
soopaflyAug 13, 2010
Lol.. It's funny how Apple haters can't stop talking about c**ks.
ament001Aug 13, 2010
Anyone who when talking about tech, infers that the other side is sucking their favored companies CEO's c**k, is clearly a fanboy.
enantiodromiaAug 13, 2010
The ironing in your comment is hilarious.
avatarpalinAug 14, 2010
and the ironing on your shirt is amazing...
zorkonAug 13, 2010
I smell me a Linux fanboy! Tell me my friend, how many times did you recompile your kernel this afternoon, just to increase your own sense of superiority?
ronintetsuroAug 14, 2010
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iph0neAug 14, 2010
Calm down, it's just a phone. Why do people who don't like iphones have to be so hysterical and so fascinated with steve jobs c**k?
It reminds me of that Mel Gibson phone call where he starts belittling his wife and then starts getting off on it. You guys start off attempting to just hate apple but by the end you are ranting about c**ks and jerking yourself off.
Calm the f**k down.
avatarpalinAug 14, 2010
*Pop*
...iPhone five is coming out!!!??
haterofps3Aug 13, 2010
I prefer the android market but why would I pay for something on an android when 50 other developers plus google have better solutions for free?
When something is better than the free market I buy it. I didn't think apple had a lot of free apps?