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uv0001Jul 9, 2010
Whether or not the patent is too broad remains to be determined. But at least Amazon is using their patents unlike the other industry patent trolls we've read about in the past.
ryebryeJul 10, 2010
Amazon was one of the original patent trolls. ("One-click" buying is one of their patents they trolled with early on)
The only e-Reader on the market right now that has a dual LCD and e-ink screen is the Nook, so I don't know what you mean when you say that Amazon is actually using this patent.
secrityJul 10, 2010
Amazon actually used/uses their "One-click" buying. Although I don't agree that it should have been patentable, it wasn't a submarine or trolled patent.
nerysJul 10, 2010
I thought you could not patent OBVIOUS things. pairing an eink with an lcd is pretty damned obvious.
How was the patent even allowed? and so VAGUELY WORDED. again I thought patenting CONCEPTS was also not allowed. this patent is the very definition of a concept and an OBVIOUS concept at that.
utnowJul 15, 2010
How is that remotely "obvious"?
pezlifeJul 10, 2010
This patent is absurd. How can you patent the idea to use 2 different things in combination? The ramifications are mind boggling.
cyborg31Jul 10, 2010
Just like how Apple patented multi-touch... using more than one finger on a touch screen.
nerysJul 10, 2010
I agree multi touch is a concept and an obvious one both of which should invalidate the patent.
now if they have a novel way of DOING IT thats different they should be able to patent that. but only that one novel method.
one click should never have BEEN a patent at all its a concept an idea. If anything it should be copyright NOT patent.
porkfriedriceJul 9, 2010
all the e readers are dumb and real books are better
jgmcgowanJul 9, 2010
Reasoning?
Screw real books when I can have nearly 3,000 books (out of millions) on my Kindle (not all at once) many of which are no longer in print or would otherwise costs hundreds of dollars. Why wait for paperback releases when hardcover\new books cost only 9.99.
I saved a little over $200 last school year from books I didn't have to buy, or paid less than their used cost.
protodonJul 10, 2010
Real books are great for the smells and memories but ebooks are much more practical these days. Besides being able to keep however many at a time in an ebook reader, I just like the fact that you don't have to somehow figure out how you're going to hold both sides of the book open while reading. It gets annoying after a while.
kiwimonkJul 10, 2010
Save trees and money.. Which is also printed on trees.
velvetonefusionJul 10, 2010
Actually American money is mostly cotton.
I'm with you though.
nerysJul 10, 2010
well trees are my last concern with books. Some explanation is in order.
I love ebooks I have a sony reader and just got a kindle dx. LOVE IT. but to me an ereader is like an ipod. it does not REPLACE books it makes it convenient to USE THEM like an ipod makes it convenient to use your CD's
why do I insist on owning the book and the CD? because our laws and our corporations NO LONGER respect property rights.
I have no interest in RENTING and I don't abide by or even recognize "licenses" and "terms" and "EULA's"
when I buy a book or a CD I own a piece of physical property that is very hard to remove from my possession short of physical force.
when you "buy" a mp3 or ebook you own NOTHING and since all rights are derived from property and you have NO property you have NO RIGHTS.
interesting how that works ehh?
so I always buy the book. I will never BUY an ebook for the simple reason that they are way way over priced. $9.99 for an ebook. your kidding right? the real tree paper book is only $6 or $7
why in the world would I pay as much as a 60 or 70 % premium (over the $6 price) for what amounts to NOTHING in property?
when ebooks are $1 maybe $2 then maybe I will buy ebooks since THAT is about what they are worth.
You want me to pay for the PRIVILEGE of reading your book with no property rights to go along with it then you need to PRICE it accordingly.
till then I buy the real book (I usually pay $3 or $4 for a book) and download the ebook if I can.
saving money is NOT something you will do buying ebooks in the current environment they cost 50% to 70% MORE than the real paper version of the same book.
secrityJul 10, 2010
Physical books are going the way of CDs.
nerysJul 10, 2010
the last day I am able to buy a CD is the last day the music industry will get any money from me.
I buy cd because they are property so I have property rights over then when I purchase them. no property equals no rights and an mp3 has NO property value so you have NO RIGHTS over it.
I do not rent. mp3 downloads WITHOUT CD PURCHASE is essentially a rental scheme.
secrityJul 11, 2010
I didn't say that CDs or books are going away any time soon. Fewer people are buying physical media and there is music that is available for download that is not easily available on CD. Many people have stopped buying CDs and are buying data files of the music; books have slowly started to go the same way as CDs are going.
digital_totemJul 10, 2010
When was the last time you got a book for free no matter how old, there are many free titles available for the Kindle, the collected works of Joules Verne, Plato's Laws, all public domain but being public domain has never prevented a publisher from charging regular market paperback prices.
porkfriedriceJul 10, 2010
i dont care about free
atroxodisseJul 10, 2010
Not to mention the hundreds of books you can find online from sites like http://www.gutenberg.org/
macparrotJul 9, 2010
Won't really matter. eReaders are dead or soon will be. Between the iPad and a whole bunch of upcoming Android-based tablets, dedicated readers like the Kindle and the Nook are dead and just don't know it yet.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
jgmcgowanJul 9, 2010
I have my iPad and read a bunch from my ported over books through the Amazon Kindle App, but it's very different to my Kindle 2. I bring the Kindle 2 to the beach everyday, because it doesn't glare, easier on the eyes, and does just one thing.
E-Ink is the key here, tech. the iPad is another E-reader device anyway.
gmprunnerJul 9, 2010
Because everyone loves staring into a backlit screen for hours to read a book (and as long as it's not in direct sunlight, of course).
protodonJul 9, 2010
yes but e-ink, e-ink!
audguyJul 10, 2010
My nook lasts DAYS on a charge with constant reading, try that with an iPad.
nmanguyJul 10, 2010
Yes, I agree, the [device that functions only as an] e-reader is dead. Whatever device Amazon introduces with "the patent ability to have an e-ink display and an LCD display on the same e-reader" sure as hell won't just read books.
secrityJul 10, 2010
The Kindle has experimental web browser support, and it can only get better.
atroxodisseJul 10, 2010
So does the nook. And the nook already has a touch screen LCD display that you can use to scroll around the web page and interact with the page.
animan351Jul 9, 2010
Our patent center is a disgrace.
parrappaJul 9, 2010
What happened to bookshelves? I like to store my nice collection of REAL books on a nice shelf in my living room. It makes me look smarter and is even pleasant to look at.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
admiralwoofJul 10, 2010
you're one of those people that used to buy blank books weren't you?
secrityJul 10, 2010
There are bookstores that sell used books by the foot of shelf space; the fancy bindings cost much more than the plainer bindings. They also have options to include books that are worth reading.
yifanlu94Jul 9, 2010
Woah, the Kindle has an LCD display? Where?
honoredmuleJul 10, 2010
Dunno, I only saw the e-ink display display.
nmanguyJul 10, 2010
The Kindles only have e-ink displays, they're just patenting it.
However, the original Kindle had this scroll wheel thing that was silver, but I thought it was just a cheap-ass LED, but it could be LCD, I dunno.
wuwei26Jul 10, 2010
I have dual monitors setup on my desk, can I patent that? Sometimes I walk and chew gum (albeit with some difficulty...), can I patent that as well?
admiralwoofJul 10, 2010
It won't matter after I patent breathing oxygen and converting it to carbon-dioxide.
travismarcJul 10, 2010
Are you patenting it or trademarking it?
admiralwoofJul 10, 2010
both
Closed AccountJul 10, 2010
My patient on the conception of human life is currently pending, maybe we can work on a marketing merger, considering you "must first be born to breathe"
tomtutsJul 10, 2010
Sorry dudes, I just patented the electroweak force, start paying me royalties
nerysJul 10, 2010
I just patented energy. Your all screwed.
barryigginsJul 10, 2010
Dwight get out of my nook!
buzamanJul 10, 2010
Tons of ereaders to choose from, prices falling, expanding features, improved quality...yup sounds like it's time to call in the government artificial scarcity machine.
secrityJul 10, 2010
There will be a shakeout in e-readers, and my money is on the Kindle, and the Nook will probably be a poor second place. Sony could build a competitive e-reader, but it is positioned as a PC peripheral rather than a stand-alone reader. They need to add wireless connectivity (with at least North America, and preferably world-wide connectivity) with support from a large e-bookstore that can compete with Amazon and B&N.
qsheikJul 10, 2010
Better them than Apple.
peestandingupJul 10, 2010
They're both doomed, so who cares.
jakebcJul 10, 2010
E-ink needs to be seen on a sunny day to really be appreciated.
buckwyldJul 10, 2010
Wait? Did Amazon describe the Nook or the Kindle in their patent filing. Something seems fishy about it.
nicko68Jul 10, 2010
It won't From what I understand, companies are acquiring patents to defend themselves rather than to attack other companies.
killerbearsJul 10, 2010
I was pretty sure those 1 latop per child prototypes could do this?
secrityJul 10, 2010
Did any of those have an e-ink display?
murrabbitJul 10, 2010
What the f**k? how can they have been awarded a patent on prior art? IP law in the US is so f**king screwed up.
gefahrJul 10, 2010
prior art is in relation to the filing date, not the granted date.
the4thaggieJul 10, 2010
I really loved my Kindle 2 that I split 50/50 on cost with my mum. Sold it back to her when I moved out and got a real job, but think I'd rather have the DX (too much $$$ though)
nerysJul 10, 2010
you can get a refurd dx for $250
I got a used one on CL with the leather case for $300
VERY nice unit.
skektekJul 10, 2010
Why does the article say "A new ruling grants Amazon the patent ability..." like there was a court involved? A patent application was applied and granted. It happens everyday, and most of the patents are never used or invalidated.
mcfriendlyJul 10, 2010
I am copyrighting the letter "A" - both upper and lowercase. If anyone uses this letter they owe me $1.00. This is as stupid as a patent to write on leather or plastic.
Closed AccountJul 10, 2010
I believe your uppercase A is in violation of my patent on straight lines. See you in court.
arcookeJul 10, 2010
Your straight lines infringe on my patent of human interaction via written communication by pictorial representation. See YOU in court.
trelJul 10, 2010
Your senseless litigation seems to infringe on my patent on senseless litigation. See YOU ALL in court.
zardozspeaksJul 10, 2010
Down with intellectual property.
neutron7Jul 10, 2010
Ima gonna patent using a capacitor AND a resistor in the same circuit. IMA GONNA BE RICH!
Closed AccountJul 10, 2010
If you can't beat 'em, sue 'em.
mark5hsJul 10, 2010
These patents are stupid. It's two technologies amazon had no part in creating and they get a patent for simply sticking them both on the same device.
finalstrikerJul 10, 2010
They are basically patenting 2 Displays on one device. I think Nintendo is going to have a abrupt conversation with Amazon.
iforgotaboutitJul 10, 2010
More like Barnes and Nobles will. They released a device with a touch-screen LCD and an e-ink display last year.
konhachiJul 10, 2010
Patents are retarded, bro.
someant1180Jul 10, 2010
This patent is BULLs**t!!!!! f**k the pieces of s**t that green lighted this patent (if true).
I see no logical reason for this patent to exist.
dkonigsbachJul 10, 2010
This is why Bilsky mattered. Good that SCOTUS denied Bilsky's patent, but on the larger issue, they got it wrong.
herolintJul 10, 2010
I don't think this patent is as damning to the Nook as are the Nooks slow speed, inability to read some e-books that work fine on other epub readers (including Barnes & Noble's ebook reader for OS X), and tendency to hang and then reboot on some books (mostly on tech books).
I owned two different Nooks for two weeks each, and I tried very hard to like both of them, but I just couldn't since they didn't work right. In the end, I bought a Sony Daily Edition reader, which I've been mostly happy with. It is fast, hasn't hung and rebooted on me, and doesn't have any problems with my tech books. The only thing I don't really like about it is the glare on the touch screen. I'd rather deal with that issue than the ones I ran into on the Nook. Perhaps Nook 2 will be better.
sunsetsunriseJul 10, 2010
I think this is a good patent
lje67Jul 12, 2010
What a joke! Yet more evidence that the patent office is clueless about prior art. To the many points about this patent being invalid: it would be perfectly valid if B&N had submitted it. I also have to laugh about the wording we attach to events like this, such as 'Amazon "WON" this or that patent', as if it was some sort of race or something, rather than a legitimate means of protecting intellectual property. There's no way this patent will hold up in court as long as B&N have even minimally skilled attorneys. If this is the best that the patent office can do, the patent office itself is irrelevant.
Happy nook owner, with 300+ e-books in the queue waiting to be read. Also gotta say that aesthetically and functionally, the nook beats the pants off the Kindle any day of the week.
shawnhicksJun 15, 2011
dog'matic by Shawn Hicks
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shawnhicksJun 15, 2011
dog'matic by Shawn Hicks
a fun and entertaining read
available for the Kindle and Nook
Only $6.00USD. Order today.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B004KZPZIS
http://search.barnesandnoble.com/dogmatic/shawn-hicks/e/2940012483423