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paduraJul 3, 2010
Nice tips.
The only thing I don't like about Opera is that it is somehow not compatible with Google Reader, it freezes so often.
theexitwoundJul 3, 2010
Not here. Works fine.
melthornalJul 4, 2010
Same, no issues.
Closed AccountJul 4, 2010
I tried opera a while ago and had the same problem on google maps. The add-on system sucks for it, too. It probably has the best feature set by default, but I'd rather have crappy default features and great extensions.
Closed AccountJul 4, 2010
I used to love opera, in fact I started using it from version 6 onwards...I have to say that the most annoying thing is website incompatibility. A lot of websites just don't support opera, in fact even facebook chat is buggy on opera...glad to have switched to chrome.
melthornalJul 4, 2010
I have almost no website incompatibility issues with Opera. The only website I use that doesn't work in Opera also cannot work in Firefox, Chrome, or Safari (I know, really). Other than that ONE page, I have no issues anywhere. Opera is now like 75% compatible with HTML5, and I have never seen a page that used those other parts Opera can't do yet.
conquerorsaintJul 5, 2010
unfortunately for me chrome crashes like a bitch when i'm trying to download even just small stuff like apps installers, etc. sure it's fast but for reliability and stability, i stick to opera.
firefox i gave up on long ago due to being a resource hog, but havent gone back to it since so perhaps it's improved even w/o plugins?
greatbigjerkJul 3, 2010
Those aren't very good reasons:
-Geolocation is part of the HTML 5 spec.
-All modern browsers are getting WebM support.
-You can get speed dial extensions for both Firefox and Chrome.
-Chrome has browser syncing built in, and soon it'll have extension syncing. You can sync in Firefox with XMarks.
-Widgets are a poor substitute for extensions in other browsers.
-Unite is actually pretty good, but why would I want to share files with friends with a browser when there are better dedicated file sharing applications?
-Turbo sounds like it's the same sort of rendering technology all other browser developers are creating(Even Microsoft with IE)
-You can get mouse gestures in other browsers via extensions.
-Content blocking by selectively blocking ads is a slow and annoying process. AdBlock does a better job by letting you selectively allow ads.
-Every browser has multi-language support.
The only reason I can see for using Opera is that it has many built in features that you can only get with extensions in other browsers, but you're also missing out on other great extensions in the process. Don't get me wrong, Opera is nice, but this list doesn't provide any real compelling reasons to make the switch.
pcnerd37Jul 3, 2010
I have long been a lover of Opera and still find it to be my favorite browser to this day. Nearly all of the major features we have come to love and expect from all browsers originated with Opera.
zeeakzJul 3, 2010
Opera is a nice browser, don't know why people are more attracted towards FF or Chrome. But I like FF for the plug ins.
bieberJul 4, 2010
Well, apparently you know why people are more attracted towards FF. I use Chromium (or Firefox if something won't work in it) because I don't want a proprietary browser. Even if I didn't care about that, I'm not seeing anything terribly compelling in this list that I can't do with Chromium or FF...
jbmcbJul 4, 2010
Last time I tried opera, it felt a bit bloaty. Loads of features I never use. Firefox comes with stuff I use all the time, and the stuff it doesn't do I get plug-ins for.
llanowarJul 4, 2010
Does that really matter?
It's loaded with features you don't use, but it doesn't make the browser horribly slow.
You can easily customize your UI as well so there are no buttons or anything for the features you don't care about.
Personally I consider it easier to have it all in there than needing to download it if I need it.
Closed AccountJul 4, 2010
Try 10.6...It runs like notepad on my PC (If you save your previously used tabs, it might take a bit longer...but thats an issue with almost all browsers FF, chrome included)
crocodile7Jul 4, 2010
@Llanowar
People who do customize their UI are power users, a small minority (5-10% IMHO).
Apart from speed, the main appeal of Chrome (over Firefox/IE) is UI simplicity. With Opera, I get a slight bloated feeling.
jaymulderJul 4, 2010
I use Opera on Windows and firefox on mac. I love opera but for whatever reason I like the osx firefox more.
rif42Jul 4, 2010
Fashion. Opera has not yet managed to become fashionable.
Opera is a very well made browser. It is used in a lot of embedded devices. E.g. my Philips TV (42pfl8404) has Opera browser.
doshindudeJul 3, 2010
There's no point to switch to Opera. Two other great browsers are much more prominent and for me, using two is even too much. Unless Opera has something earth-shattering as a feature, there's no advantage to using it over FF or Chrome whatsoever.
melthornalJul 4, 2010
The question you have to ask yourself: Why do you even both with firefox or chrome at all? Opera may not be earth shattering, but it is still flat out better.
dsolteszJul 4, 2010
Actually, considering the other browsers keep stealing Opera's features, I'd say Opera's Earth shattering, or at least seriously innovative.
melthornalJul 4, 2010
I largely agree. Why stay behind the curve? Opera is where it is at. I switched from Firefox four years ago and I'll never turn back. I used chrome for a while, but when I had to reinstall my OS 3 weeks ago I didn't reinstall chrome. Why? I used it once a month, and only because using twitter on chrome is mad easy. I can do it on opera with one extra mouse click.
Also, ever since opera conformed to html5 I have had zero issues with any webpages. Except my ebank page, which only works on netscape 7 and internet explorer 8. o.0
Srsly, netscape 7? Who the f**k uses that?
spuy767Jul 4, 2010
I like how Opera Had tabs in 2000.
melthornalJul 4, 2010
Tabs ON TOP, at that. It took 10 years for firefox to figure that one out.
annjayJul 3, 2010
Wow, I am impressed because Opera has built-in feature that let me choose what I want to see like I can remove annoying images, animations, and other content easily. However, FF and Chrome need to have additional extension for the same purpose.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
sanchomandovalJul 4, 2010
Hmm it's easier to install a plugin for the browser I already have than install a new browser just for one feature. 30 seconds versus god knows how long. The ease of customizing Firefox is one reason people rarely switch from it.
Closed AccountJul 4, 2010
Dependency on third party plugins for basic functionality is not a feature.
brotherfrancizJul 4, 2010
"The ease of customizing Firefox is one reason people rarely switch from it."
Um, I'm quite sure Opera is king when it comes to customisation. Everything you see in the browser window can be moved or deleted, or new buttons added.
Just right-click on any toolbar and go Customize -> Appearance...
My favourite Opera feature is the ability and the ease with which YOU can create your own "extensions": I've got a custom RSS button and a custom Stumbleupon button.
sanchomandovalJul 4, 2010
Sigh... fanboys... I don't wanna pay for a browser just so it has a built-in feature that I already have a better version of via plugin in my current browser! I'm sorry that makes you feel insecure.
dsolteszJul 4, 2010
I'm not sure why you're being dugg down... Opera haters?
Closed AccountJul 4, 2010
I'm more of a rock fan myself.
subductionJul 4, 2010
Obvious joke is obvious.
russ3Jul 4, 2010
good thing you were very clever and creative
subductionJul 4, 2010
O RLY?
allforthelulzJul 4, 2010
Never!
Heil Chrome!
enkairiJul 4, 2010
Eh, I still prefer my SRW Iron.
jake1337Jul 4, 2010
LOL, Opera.
Chrome Foreva!
flashcat7777Jul 4, 2010
I hate Oprah.
Closed AccountJul 4, 2010
OVER 9000!!!!!!
bersercJul 4, 2010
Opera costs $$$ and ALL other browsers are free, right?
oobermenschJul 4, 2010
Have you been living under a rock?
cl1mh4224rdJul 4, 2010
This account has been closed by the user
bersercJul 4, 2010
My mistake from WIKI ... As of 2 September 2009, it is ... free to download. Users who previously paid to download ...
radu79Jul 4, 2010
Umm, it is free to download and use (without banners since 2005).
nard3456Jul 4, 2010
You should really read the context of the article
"Also in 2006, editions of Opera were made and released for Nintendo's DS and Wii gaming systems.[21][22][23][24] Opera for the Wii, called the Internet Channel, was free to download from its release on 12 April 2007[25] until 30 June 2007. After that date, Wii users had to pay 500 Wii Points (about US$5[26]) to download it.[27] As of 2 September 2009, it is again free to download. Users who previously paid to download are offered a NES game of their choice of the same value.[28][29] The Nintendo DS Browser is not free; it is sold as a physical DS game cartridge. The DSi has an Internet Channel that can be downloaded for free from the DSi shop.[30]"
rain12913Jul 4, 2010
It was free long before that...
brotherfrancizJul 4, 2010
LOL
It still surprises me how many douchebags come along and say that Opera is not free... it's even more hilarious when the douchebag searches Wikipedia and still gets it wrong. Hilarious because it is proof of said douchebag's incompetence.
linuxbeatswin7Jul 4, 2010
They probably use Oprah.
austrologiJul 4, 2010
Am I the only one who read oprah not opera?
bobdigiJul 4, 2010
Probably.
digg2point0Jul 4, 2010
I use to absolutely LOVE Opera, the level of customization is incredible.... but it's a double edged sword (a lot of the configuration is overly complex) and rather oddly implemented (you can't move the address bar for example, you have to move that element onto another bar).
IMO Opera is like the Linux of browsers. Great if you have all the time in the world to learn about and adapt to it, but most people would be happier with Firefox.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
digg2point0Jul 4, 2010
Also the Opera community is full of elitist douches.
I went to ask for help in customizing something a certain way in their IRC channel, and I mentioned that I was new to Opera from Firefox and they basically said 'Well, we don't really like to do things that way so why don't you just go back to Firefox.'
garrett92cJul 4, 2010
Yea, web browser fanboys are the lowest of the low...
chrysaliiJul 4, 2010
*reads comments*
yeah.
unitedoceanicJul 6, 2010
dude not the IRC go to the forum
gamepr0Jul 4, 2010
Firefox is way more customizable, just take a look at how limited the opera "extensions" are.
palehorse864Jul 4, 2010
I don't use opera on my desktop, but I've fallen in love with it on my HTC Hero (android). It's a lot easier using the arrow and trackball to click tiny links than it was trying to mash them with my huge finger.
Plus, I am loving how it displays the page zoomed out like a full size browser and then lets you choose where to zoom into.
Also, the image compression I hated in pc opera is wonderful for a small mobile screen. Pages load a lot faster.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
yocouchdiggaJul 4, 2010
My biggest problem with Opera is that it wants to time out a lot. It seems to have some serious hang ups when it comes to opening new windows. I still use it but it's in third place. Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
sil369Jul 4, 2010
Opera!! Woo!
suite307Jul 4, 2010
Google Chrome > * , i'd rather be part of Skynet than some s**tty opera.
brotherfrancizJul 4, 2010
You do realise that was just a movie right?
joest23Jul 4, 2010
I like Opera. Everything is very snappy and webpages load really quickly. My only problem is that there are some serious UI problems. They need to rework their menus to make them easier to use and make the interface more customizable.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
dougman82Jul 4, 2010
How much more customizable can it get? You can customize just about everything about the UI.
blackopJul 4, 2010
Right click ui/customize/appearance. If you want you can edit the menus or add custom buttons.
shogun213Jul 4, 2010
Other browsers need adblock plus or else f**k them in their stupid asses
Closed AccountJul 4, 2010
You realize Adblock on chrome has the same control as the firefox version now, right? - It's been 3 months now you f**king moron. Get with the program.
imiithJul 4, 2010
Just downloaded Opera for os x, they finally added smooth scrolling and the interface looks really native now. And it's fast. :D
gamepr0Jul 4, 2010
They didn't add pixel-scrolling so the scrolling on mac is still worse than any other major browser.
No pixel-scrolling = unusable as a day-to-day browser imo, I've gotten way too used to it.
whacklyJul 4, 2010
I use it. I love it. 10.6 works with Netflix again. Speed dial and the ability to use opera link to sync speed dial pages, notes, etc. between computers (and even opera on android) is brilliant.
adarahsiaJul 5, 2010
I switched from Firefox to Opera thanks to Bookmark sync.
And my most favourite feature: you can zoom in the whole page, and then click the Fit to Width button on the status bar, and you no longer have to pan left and right to read the paragraphs.
lexluthor5Jul 4, 2010
Why in the world cant opera open with my cursor in the address bar? I hate that I still have to grab the mouse and click before I can type in a site.
Closed AccountJul 4, 2010
F6
theexitwoundJul 4, 2010
Every tab I open has the cursor in the address bar.
svivianJul 6, 2010
@bobdle: ha, opera doesn't have f6 as the shortcut by default. So stupid, since every other browsee has had this for 10 years. You can add the shortcut though, which is nice. Or use Ctrl+L.
theexitwoundJul 4, 2010
Firefox has one of the most horrible interfaces I've ever seen. Just pull down Bookmarks and see how overly complicated and obtuse it is. I stick with Opera because although it has nearly every customizable option under the sun, it's hidden inside opera:config and not cluttering up the interface. Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
Closed AccountJul 4, 2010
What the hell is wrong with you guys? Opera is a thing of beauty. I've been using this thing exclusively since 1998 (version 3) and I've seen it evolve first hand. I started using it as a porn browsers when I was in high school. It didn't take long before it was all I used. It's always been fast, it's always been standards strict, it's always been customizable, etc. The features they've added are great. A lot of stuff I don't use (email, widgets, bittorrent, link, speed dial) while others I couldn't compute without (gestures, tabs, wand).
If Ad Block is the only thing keeping you on that fat bloated fox then you're missing out. I've been using a 3rd party advert filter for 8 years that works with all http traffic regardless of your browser. I won't say its name because it'll be a mass bury if I do. But it combined with Opera has been a terrific pair for many years on my computers.
** ***** Usage Statistics for v4.9 Beta Build 32130/3059
Adverts removed by ** *****: 3,123,806
Approximate bandwidth saved: 24,404 MB
Counter started: December 1, 2002
Opera has continued to impress me for over 14 years.
sanchomandovalJul 4, 2010
Wow, it's even allowed you to live 2 more years than me since 1998, amazing browser!
rain12913Jul 4, 2010
Well s**t man, I'm sold! If Opera is so fast that you're already on the 2012 version of the internet then count me in!
Closed AccountJul 4, 2010
It's called addiction association. 14 years of porn is no joke, and when it's seen through the same browser for such an extended period of time, you have trained your brain to think porn when it thinks opera, thus triggering sensors of pleasure in your brain and releasing dopamine.
Opera isn't that great, while Porn is awesome, but I for one enjoy it through non proprietary, open source browsers.
brotherfrancizJul 4, 2010
I'm quite sure no one needs their senses triggered when they are already feeling horny i.e.
1. Dude feels horny
2. Opens Opera
3. ???
4. Orgasm!
babywookieJul 4, 2010
Opera does a great job of blocking ads, if you just copy and paste this list: http://www.fanboy.co.nz/adblock/opera/
in Opera's urlfilter.ini file every few months of so. I sure as hell doesn't see many ads here.
sanchomandovalJul 4, 2010
You lost my interest at "if you just copy and paste"...
unitedoceanicJul 6, 2010
sancho you sir are an idiot, saving a single file once every 6 months is to much work for you?
bossm4nJul 4, 2010
Okay, I'm sold on the ad blocking, but does it have any type of NoScript feature? That's the only reason I still use FF over Chrome, and I love Chrome.
unitedoceanicJul 6, 2010
yes there is, http://unite.opera.com/application/641/
severeflameJul 4, 2010
Opera has no advantages that I need. I'll stick to Minefield.
ibell63Jul 4, 2010
A few reasons to not use Opera:
1. Closed Source.
2. The content blocking feature can't auto-update it's list like Ad Block Plus.
3. Because of the content blocking feature, as far as I can tell there is no Ad Block Plus type add-on for Opera.
4. It doesn't work with a lot of things.
5. It doesn't have H.264 support for HTML5 video, unlike Safari and Chrome, yes it has VP8, but everyone will soon.
6. Chrome is faster, especially with Javascript.
Reasons why the points in the article don't matter:
1. Everyone already has geolocation.
2. Everyone except IE already has HTML5 video support and will have VP8 support soon.
3. The idea of running add-ons outside of the browser seems counterproductive.
4. Opera turbo only helps if you have a slow internet connection (like as slow as dialup.)
rikymontyJul 4, 2010
and the possibility to make a server with Opera Unite? I may use it just for that.
funkywitdasystmJul 4, 2010
most operating systems allow you to do that already, esp. linux/unix/bsd/osx
radu79Jul 4, 2010
Why do you care about closed source? Are you looking into customizing the code or something? Hell, I am in charge of a pretty big open source project, over 200K lines of code, and I don't care about my browser being OSS.
The content blocking works very well, there are few cases when it doesn't block something. Why the hell would I care about an auto updated list? Am I too lazy to manually block the ads that bother me?
It doesn't work with a lot of things such as?
Chrime is faster? LOL. It is faster in some JS scripts, but I hope you realize JS is not everything. And Opera still has stuff that no other browser has, such as the ability to place the tab bar wherever you want, or paste and go, clone tab, an so on.
babywookieJul 4, 2010
"2. The content blocking feature can't auto-update it's list like Ad Block Plus."
Does it really need to? I just manually copy and paste this list: http://www.fanboy.co.nz/adblock/opera/
in my urlfilter.ini file, once every few months of so. I am sure as hell not seeing any ads here.
ibell63Jul 4, 2010
This is good! Thank you.
higherlogicJul 4, 2010
> Chrome is faster, especially with Javascript.
Uh, check the latest browser speed tests...
brotherfrancizJul 4, 2010
I have to agree with ibell63 in the sense that the article doesn't sell Opera that well i.e. after reading that article, Firefox and Chrome users won't even get close to being convinced to switch to Opera.
I can think of a bazillion stronger reasons to switch to Opera than what they have in that article.
xerathJul 4, 2010
# 1. Closed Source.
Who the hell cares about software being open source or not ? Tip: like the same 5 users that complain on digg and on all the other blogs.
#4. It doesn't work with a lot of things.
Yes. it's doesn't fix me dinner for instance. Or is your complaint about something else?
# 5. It doesn't have H.264 support for HTML5 video, unlike Safari and Chrome, yes it has VP8, but everyone will soon.
And why does h.264 on the web matter if it's not deployed yet anywhere ? Did you know that h.264 is patent encumbered and that the mpeg-la can sue just from using software that decodes h.264 ?
#3. The idea of running add-ons outside of the browser seems counterproductive.
Widgets are not addons but standalone apps. If you familiarize yourself with the work happening on w3c and in regard to all device makers, then you get the picture. The author doesn't know better.
#4. Opera turbo only helps if you have a slow internet connection (like as slow as dialup.)
Which interestingly happens everywhere but in the USA and Europe. The rest of the world has crappy infrastructure.
zinjashikeJul 4, 2010
Six is false, really false. Opera smokes all the latest benchies with 10.6
h377r1d3rJul 4, 2010
You yourself use chrome, so...
1... so is chrome.
2... and ?
3... so ?
4... like what ?
5 because VP8 is becoming a standard.
6. Chrome is faster, yea faster in what exactly ?
unitedoceanicJul 6, 2010
i think you never tried opera, i completely agree with xErath!
bettyJul 4, 2010
I haven't heard anyone talk about Opera Unite since it's launch, do people actually use it?
unitedoceanicJul 6, 2010
yes i do, there are some unite applications (user js manager & blockIT (aka noscript for opera)) that are really handy.
mostly i use it to share pictures with other family members.
it so simple to use even my sisters can do it.
bettyJul 4, 2010
Why would i want gestures only in my browser? Seems more like an OS level thing to me, that said with how unrealiable strokeit is for me currently I've been trying to live without gestures anywhere.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
bosskeyJul 4, 2010
good point...I don't need browser gestures because the gestures on my MacBook Pro trackpad (like swipe left to go Back) work in all browsers.
Closed AccountJul 4, 2010
My favorite gesture is using the mouse...to click the buttons. Seems pretty universal to me.
bettyJul 4, 2010
sure, but gestures are faster than clicking most buttons...
sirbetaJul 4, 2010
Honestly, while those 10 years are nice, virtually none of them are earth shattering or even unique. Geolocation? I don't want anything to know where I am, and if I did, it does not need to be a fundamental part of the browser itself. WebM? I think it's great to have but nothing really uses WebM yet. That's not really a feature until it becomes a bit more useful. Speed Dial? I like this, but every other browser has a way to replicate this easily (not sure about IE, but I've done it in Firefox and Chrome). Opera Link? Again, other browsers can have this functionality. Widgets? Admittedly, I think that one is generally unique to Opera, I'm just not too sure of the use. I'm not knocking it at all, I just personally have no need for it.
Well, you get the picture. I've used Opera off and on for years now, but I don't think it's the messiah or anything.
babywookieJul 4, 2010
I use it because its fast, secure and gets all the cool new features first.
bartledooJul 4, 2010
Which of those things on the list am I not already able to do with Firefox or Chrome?
pihaJul 4, 2010
Just remember it's not over till the fat lady sings.
funkywitdasystmJul 4, 2010
i suppose that's IE's swan song?
/bad-ump tss
Closed AccountJul 4, 2010
Meh, I've been using FF for as long as I can remember and unless there is a *very* compelling (ie. better than listed in this article) to switch to something else then I'm going to stick with it...
higherlogicJul 4, 2010
It's not slow, it doesn't eat all your memory up, and you don't have to restart it every hour...
Closed AccountJul 4, 2010
Typical complaints I hear all the time about FF... This particular browser window I'm typing in has been open for about 18 hours (left it open when I went to bed last night and my PC was on the whole time), I have like 20 tabs open (1/2 of them youtube) and FF is taking up 130MB of my 4GB of memory which I don't consider excessive in anyway considering that iTunes (which I just opened for comparison) immediately grabbed 60MB and it wasn't doing ANYTHING. Also, anyone who finds FF unusably slow must have some kind of super human senses b/c I have tried other browsers (most recently Chrome) and don't notice a difference in speed at all...Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
reinonJul 4, 2010
I like opera, when it comes to flash, it can handle loads of tabs without crashing unlike chrome and firefox, especially those intense moments when watching all them porn videos
arcookeJul 4, 2010
Translation: 10 new features that further bloat an already bloated browser
Opera is nice speed-wise, and their mobile browsers are pretty good.. but I'm not terribly fond of the desktop browser.
New_WavJul 4, 2010
Opera has some very appealing features but the complaint has always been that it times out, freezes, locks up, or whatever you want to say a lot. To me Chrome is fine, it shows me a web page on a nice big screen, runs well 95% of the time and I can move through it quickly to get whatever I want accomplished.
jizzinyourshizJul 4, 2010
I don't use Opera because the logo looks terrible, especially when placed on a dock with other sexy icons.
bobdigiJul 4, 2010
Opera sucks.
alantocheriJul 4, 2010
I would have probably switched awhile ago if 1Password worked with it.
scy1192Jul 4, 2010
Forgot #1: speed
srhatsJul 4, 2010
No 1Password, no Xmarks, no way I'll move to it.
Closed AccountJul 4, 2010
Well it does have a password manager..
adarahsiaJul 5, 2010
You don't need Xmarks. Opera has it built in.
earthforce1Jul 4, 2010
It's not in the Ubuntu repository.
tommyrJul 4, 2010
Justin Bieber sucks.
funkywitdasystmJul 4, 2010
nickelback sucks
ragatronJul 4, 2010
Yes he does, but Opera does not.
ngmcs8203Jul 4, 2010
Does Opera have Firebug or something equivalent with a FireQuery extension? I would also need the WebDeveloper plugin as well. If not, I'm not switching.
ragatronJul 4, 2010
I think what you're looking for is Dragonfly. It's been builtin since Opera v9.5.
ngmcs8203Jul 4, 2010
That looks a lot like Firebug. Interesting. OK, I'll think about possibly trying it. But then again I am lazy.
unitedoceanicJul 6, 2010
dragonfly is open source
cheater2000Jul 4, 2010
Oprea does not have Web of Trust. NOT switching.
brotherfrancizJul 4, 2010
Wow, this fanboy is grasping at straws now. What would you be doing that needed an add-on to tell you a dodgy website was dodgy?
Ha, good thing I did some googling and found this:
http://www.mywot.com/en/blog/208-user-created-WOT-for-opera-rocks
I guess it's time to make the switch Cheater2000!
Closed AccountJul 4, 2010
Firefox has addons for any feature I can desire. Until Opera can add that "feature" to their browser, I ain't switching. There's a reason why people use firefox and that is one of the main reasons. Doesn't matter what new features opera adds, someone will always create an addon for firefox to then have that new feature.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
radu79Jul 4, 2010
Speak for yourself. I'd rather have one application that does everything I need, rather than have to bother with 3rd party plug ins, some which are poorly written, hard to customize, etc.
Closed AccountJul 4, 2010
Performance wise, having a single application with many features is much more efficient than having many fragmented 3rd party plugins...Why do you think FF gets slower with more plugins
brotherfrancizJul 4, 2010
"It's what you can do to customize it and add to it."
I swear, I am sick of Firefox users mentioning extensions as a feature. Wikipedia says that extensibility is:
"...a system design principle where the implementation takes into consideration future growth... Extensions can be through the addition of new functionality or through modification of existing functionality. The central theme is to provide for change while minimizing impact to existing system functions."
You can "extend" Opera by right-clicking any toolbar then go Customize -> Appearance...
You can then alter, remove or add functionality. You can even make your own "extensions" in the form of custom buttons.
Here are just 2 resources for custom buttons I found with a simple google search:
http://webtoman.com/opera/custom/custom_buttons.php
http://operawiki.info/CustomButtons
Simply drag and drop those buttons wherever you want on Opera.
Opera is more extensible than Firefox according to Wikipedia, and also easier to "extend" for that matter.
Closed AccountJul 4, 2010
"I swear, I am sick of Firefox users mentioning extensions as a feature."
It's a feature none the less. And with your description of how extensible opera is, firefox beats it hands down. Firefox can do what you said opera can do and more. You may toss it aside because it makes opera look bad, but I like using addons for firefox. It enables functions that I require that opera cannot provide.
adarahsiaJul 5, 2010
I love you brotherfranciz(but not in that way).
robdazombaJul 4, 2010
I get a kick out of you people who talk like you're sticking it to the man by using Chrome, you know, that browser produced and given away free by the biggest marketing and advertising company on the planet?
Yeah, way to fight the power, bro.
unic0rnJul 4, 2010
What does that have to do with it?
And who the hell uses a browser to "stick it to the man"?
Have you tried Chrome? I did. And the speeds compared to FF are ludicrous. There was no comparison.
And Chromium is Open Source, which is just something I support and is a bonus imo.
robdazombaJul 4, 2010
>And who the hell uses a browser to "stick it to the man"?
Ask the guys who are talking like this in this thread. The whole point of my post was that I don't get what they're talking about but it always seem the Google/Chrome fans are the fastest to jump on that soapbox.
> Have you tried Chrome? I did. And the speeds compared to FF
> are ludicrous. There was no comparison.
I've tried it and uninstalled it about an hour later when I realized it lacks the features I need, most importantly an RSS reader.
> And Chromium is Open Source, which is just something I
> support and is a bonus imo.
You claim a principled stand on OSS but ignore Firefox? Do you really support open source or are you one of these trendy Google fans that thinks open source = free services? Google really isn't much of a leader when it comes to open source, Android notwithstanding, and most of the open source code in Chrome comes from Apple's work in an open source rendering framework called Webkit. If you're a supporter of open source, Firefox is far more open than anything coming from Google.
unic0rnJul 5, 2010
If you're on the Mac, then of course you should use Safari. It's the best Browser on OS X!
And I was simply stating that it being Open Source was a benefit.
Maybe FF should switch to WebKit? At least then it wouldn't be terribly slow. And it would still have the UI and all those lovely plugins and such, with a bit more work.
tombkillaJul 4, 2010
Mozilla is open source only because Microsoft killed Netscapes business model by demanding that the browsers be free. Mozilla is only a couple of degrees better than opera.
I have an email program, I have an rss reader. I also don't need anything else in my browser. FF2 was a nice piece of machinery. FF3 decided to put all these bells and whistles in that no one asked for. Chrome is slick, small and ahead of the curve. Every try to see how many html 5 items FF supported without Chrome doing it first?
Firefox is becoming the new IE. Which is horrible cuz what the heck does that make IE now? Ditch water?
djphatjiveJul 4, 2010
1 reason I use opera. Its on the Wii.
omnirusaJul 4, 2010
To those who hate on Opera, and retort that FF or Chrome is better, I ask you this: Have you even taken the time to try it before blurting out your opinion? If no, then don't speak.
funkywitdasystmJul 4, 2010
yes, and it still is an antiquated browser with some modern features inelegantly jammed into it-- but missing the core feature of allowing plugins/extensions.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
tombkillaJul 4, 2010
Yes, my job is building for the different browsers and although opera works fairly well, their business model has been whine, complain and then whine some more. Other people can make competing products without the court system. Opera is ok as a product, but capital FAIL as a business. Without losing that tarnished brand you'll never lose that stigma. I can't wait to see technology troll companies like opera pack it in. I have a feeling that if netscape won the browser war, they would have had no problem charging for the software too. Go away already.Comment is buried, click here to see the rest.
brotherfrancizJul 4, 2010
Aren't you forgetting the mobile market? Opera has been excelling in that part of its business, they even managed to get through to the iPhone where others didn't even dare venture into.
xerathJul 4, 2010
# whine, complain and then whine some more
WTF are you saying ?
tombkillaJul 4, 2010
Lets see, a company renowned for taking tech companies to court asks you to start using its browser as well on your mobile device. Would YOU disapprove them?
Is opera a better browser on the iphone or was apple simply avoiding litigation?
piieerrrreeJul 4, 2010
I've tried it once and didn't like the layout. Other than that I'm pretty much browser-illiterate, but that also means that layout/speed are all I really care about. /shrug
unitedoceanicJul 6, 2010
well did you realize that opera layout is completely customizable?
just take a look how this application looks on my machine
http://files.myopera.com/oceanic/screenshots/screenshot.July.06%202010.png