Unless you're an elitist idiot, you'll understand that vi/m is not for everyone.I'm a computer science major and I haven't figured it out, nor do I intend to.Go ahead and include it - but it should not be the first option presented (unless its in a package made exclusively for ultranerd linux junkies who spell Microsoft with a dollar sign). It's way too complex.
VI - I am forced to use this at work.We have moved on in time and space, now there is this thing called a graphical user interface. Even Unix has it - Xwindows. It has an amazing array of decent editors.Why would you still rub sticks together to make a fire, when you can use a lighter.
I agree with user98887.. Sure, vi/vim/whatever is probably a terrific editor for sysadmins who don't mind memorizing tons of one- and two-character commands and coming up with cute mnemonics to remember them. But I can't imagine seriously editing any type of large coding project with ANY terminal editor. Why? Well, a good GUI editor can:display more than 80 characters per line,change fonts and font sizes (and display any unicode character),work with a scroll wheel,have dialog boxes that (for instance) show you all available options without memorizing the damn things,show documents side-by-side and with tabs,have menus that show even new users exactly what features exist,have status bars to indicate large amounts of useful information.Has nobody here actually used something like UltraEdit, SciTE, or the editor in Visual Studio? Or are you hiding your heads in the sand back in the stone age?
greatbunzinniMay 20, 2006
I'll only consider Emacs when I will genuinely have the need for a text editor which doubles as an email client.
tynanMay 20, 2006
Unless you're an elitist idiot, you'll understand that vi/m is not for everyone.I'm a computer science major and I haven't figured it out, nor do I intend to.Go ahead and include it - but it should not be the first option presented (unless its in a package made exclusively for ultranerd linux junkies who spell Microsoft with a dollar sign). It's way too complex.
crazenMay 20, 2006
@spudgeEnlighten us, what do you propse vim get replaced with?
user98887May 20, 2006
VI - I am forced to use this at work.We have moved on in time and space, now there is this thing called a graphical user interface. Even Unix has it - Xwindows. It has an amazing array of decent editors.Why would you still rub sticks together to make a fire, when you can use a lighter.
jay314May 20, 2006
I agree with user98887.. Sure, vi/vim/whatever is probably a terrific editor for sysadmins who don't mind memorizing tons of one- and two-character commands and coming up with cute mnemonics to remember them. But I can't imagine seriously editing any type of large coding project with ANY terminal editor. Why? Well, a good GUI editor can:display more than 80 characters per line,change fonts and font sizes (and display any unicode character),work with a scroll wheel,have dialog boxes that (for instance) show you all available options without memorizing the damn things,show documents side-by-side and with tabs,have menus that show even new users exactly what features exist,have status bars to indicate large amounts of useful information.Has nobody here actually used something like UltraEdit, SciTE, or the editor in Visual Studio? Or are you hiding your heads in the sand back in the stone age?
greyfadeMay 22, 2006
@trejkaz:one thing that Gentoo frustrates me about is that it comes with nano in the default configuration of the minimal liveCD... but no vi.
greyfadeMay 22, 2006
version 7 does.