gizmodo.com— Here's another clip from my interview with Steve Wozniak yesterday. This time, he's talking about what about Apple makes people so fanatical.
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Really if Apple deserves any marketshare it's now... back then Apple was one hell of an annoying company with some pretty retarded computer ideas going on the bait people in... aka: "Black on white... like paper!" ignore the cost of a way smaller screen to support the higher refresh rate needed.Anyway, I feel it's more of the KIND of people that will get a Mac really, the "I deserve better than this/to learn how to use a PC" kind of attitude. (though really, Apple fanboys aren't as popular as you and really I think, so much as they're so damn loud they drown out all the sane Apple users)And I agree with macparrot, Emotional attachment FTL
The company I worked for in the '80's and early 90's used Macs. My boss liked bloody-edge-of-the-knife things that worked and had some style. I learned business computing on an SE. It was a pretty cool machine for the time, easy for a novice to use and the GUI beat the hell out of early Windows. When I went independent practicalities just dictated I move to a PC. Cheaper, easy to upgrade, ran the specialized software I needed. Stuck with it. I suspect that my next migration won't be to Mac, but to Linux. I still wouldn't mind having a Mac, fairly fond memories, but it is much less distinctive now.
"I'm primarily a Linux user and I can tell you a reason I don't really like Apple: Taking from the *nix community, and giving nothing back."Apple give back to *nix community. I know when then took the Open source HTML rendering engine (to form the basis of WebKit) they gave back to the community with plenty of bug fixes, and where possible removed reliances on the Apple proprietary frameworks so that some bad rendering issues were fixed in the Open source stuff.There are tons of other places Apple have given back, don't know any of them off-hand and don't have the time to look them up as I'm mid-moving house.
So, you're saying other companies *don't* use buzzwords? I don't get it. Why single out Woz for derision when he's doing something that everyone else does?
You hit it on the head. For proof, just browse the next discussion of Apple's commercials. My god, the spasms of outrage from the Mac haters would be funny if it weren't so pathetic. Never have I seen so much impotent rage expressed over a silly bunch of ads.There's definitely something else going on there, and I think you're right. It's like some kind of insecurity or threat. Who gets that angry about this stuff?
That was probably the best comment in this entire thread and a excellent summation of why some of us enjoy using a Mac. There's so much more to the platform than specs and prices.
@noahhoward I can't say I'm an anti-apple fan boy, but I can help to explain their rationale. Now I don't necessarily think you'll hear a word because based on the number of posts in this tread between you and mac parrot there is clearly an element of fanboyism with you two. For years I've had to listen to disinformation from Mac fanatics. Try some of these blasts from the past: Mac Cooperative multi-tasking is better than windows preemptive multitasking, the PowerPC processor is faster and more powerful than Intel, and best of all the Mac is cheaper than a comparable PC. It gets tiring.
I always enjoy hearing Woz's point of view, though I don't always agree. That bit about feeling more special as the market share drops sounded moronic the first time I heard him say it. It's not getting in better with age.
strangewillMay 11, 2007
Really if Apple deserves any marketshare it's now... back then Apple was one hell of an annoying company with some pretty retarded computer ideas going on the bait people in... aka: "Black on white... like paper!" ignore the cost of a way smaller screen to support the higher refresh rate needed.Anyway, I feel it's more of the KIND of people that will get a Mac really, the "I deserve better than this/to learn how to use a PC" kind of attitude. (though really, Apple fanboys aren't as popular as you and really I think, so much as they're so damn loud they drown out all the sane Apple users)And I agree with macparrot, Emotional attachment FTL
kdorMay 11, 2007
The company I worked for in the '80's and early 90's used Macs. My boss liked bloody-edge-of-the-knife things that worked and had some style. I learned business computing on an SE. It was a pretty cool machine for the time, easy for a novice to use and the GUI beat the hell out of early Windows. When I went independent practicalities just dictated I move to a PC. Cheaper, easy to upgrade, ran the specialized software I needed. Stuck with it. I suspect that my next migration won't be to Mac, but to Linux. I still wouldn't mind having a Mac, fairly fond memories, but it is much less distinctive now.
r3zonanceMay 12, 2007
"I'm primarily a Linux user and I can tell you a reason I don't really like Apple: Taking from the *nix community, and giving nothing back."Apple give back to *nix community. I know when then took the Open source HTML rendering engine (to form the basis of WebKit) they gave back to the community with plenty of bug fixes, and where possible removed reliances on the Apple proprietary frameworks so that some bad rendering issues were fixed in the Open source stuff.There are tons of other places Apple have given back, don't know any of them off-hand and don't have the time to look them up as I'm mid-moving house.
inkswampMay 12, 2007
So, you're saying other companies *don't* use buzzwords? I don't get it. Why single out Woz for derision when he's doing something that everyone else does?
inkswampMay 12, 2007
You hit it on the head. For proof, just browse the next discussion of Apple's commercials. My god, the spasms of outrage from the Mac haters would be funny if it weren't so pathetic. Never have I seen so much impotent rage expressed over a silly bunch of ads.There's definitely something else going on there, and I think you're right. It's like some kind of insecurity or threat. Who gets that angry about this stuff?
szandorMay 12, 2007
That was probably the best comment in this entire thread and a excellent summation of why some of us enjoy using a Mac. There's so much more to the platform than specs and prices.
javaroastMay 12, 2007
@noahhoward I can't say I'm an anti-apple fan boy, but I can help to explain their rationale. Now I don't necessarily think you'll hear a word because based on the number of posts in this tread between you and mac parrot there is clearly an element of fanboyism with you two. For years I've had to listen to disinformation from Mac fanatics. Try some of these blasts from the past: Mac Cooperative multi-tasking is better than windows preemptive multitasking, the PowerPC processor is faster and more powerful than Intel, and best of all the Mac is cheaper than a comparable PC. It gets tiring.
mennisMay 17, 2007
I always enjoy hearing Woz's point of view, though I don't always agree. That bit about feeling more special as the market share drops sounded moronic the first time I heard him say it. It's not getting in better with age.