timesonline.co.uk — World leaders representing nearly two-thirds of world economic output massively watered-down their public commitment to lowering greenhouse gasses last night, in what may be a grim portent for next month’s climate change talks in Copenhagen.
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prakash1234Nov 15, 2009
when has political agenda worked for the common man?
Closed AccountNov 16, 2009
No such thing as greater good, It's a term used to herd us into slavery, to compromise on our liberties. All to get nothing in return for major losses.
archiesteelNov 16, 2009
All McIntyre has done is show there are some minor accuracies in some measuring methods. However, once the inaccuracies are factored in, we get pretty much the same long-term results. In other words, he's not disproving AGW, he's helping refine models. It's when he uses these inaccuracies as an indictment of the entire body of scientific evidence that he shows his true colors. Again, can't deniers come up with *one* scientist who's not in the pocket of Big Oil?As for Al Gore, who's talking about him? I'm not. I don't care what Al Gore says or does - the science was there before him, and the science continues to exist outside of him. The only people who keep bringing up Al Gore are deniers."Oil and gas are tangible goods crucial to our civilization."They are, but in the case of oil we need it for plastics. Using it as a fuel when we could develop renewable sources is simply irresponsible."These people provide something extremely valuable and are protecting their business..."...by lying to spread anti-scientific propaganda."from leaches like Al Gore and Goldman Sachs"Why do you hate capitalism?
archiesteelNov 16, 2009
@SomeCallMeBruce: from the link *you* provided:"The term "ozone depletion" means more than just the natural destruction of ozone, it means that ozone loss is exceeding ozone creation. Think again of the "leaky bucket." Putting additional ozone- destroying compounds such as CFCs into the atmosphere is like causing the "bucket" of ozone to spring extra leaks. The extra leaks cause ozone to leak out at a faster rate--faster than ozone is being created. Consequently, the level of ozone protecting us from ultraviolet radiation decreases."I love it when deniers supply self-destructing arguments. Makes it a lot easier for us.
murrdpirateNov 16, 2009
@archiesteelIf something is a good investment, the market will tend to invest in it. The market has been investing in alternative energy for decades. So apparently, the market believes that alternative energy is indeed a good investment.But what you're saying is that renewing the Kyoto Protocol would be good for the economy. That implies that you believe that the market has it wrong and that alternative energy is such a good investment that the government should force the market to invest much more in alternative energy. That's not true. Just because something is a good investment does not mean that investing even more is also a good investment. You can invest too much into a good investment and turn it into a bad investment. Putting 100% of our resources into developing alternative energy would not be good for the economy. There is a line somewhere in there and the market is pretty damn good at finding it.You can argue that we should invest more to prevent destruction from global warming. But there is no reason to believe that investing more will be profitable and good for the economy.
poitsplaceNov 16, 2009
@FitjaraldWhat part of "As hard as this may be for you to believe with all that hype...ice supports essentially NO life" did you not get? Yes, yes...part of a "world-wide" ecosystem...they mostly leech off the bits that aren't frozen over. There's nothing wrong with that but don't go acting like the frozen bits produce significant amounts of biomass. Life only explodes in the arctic when the ice MELTS (or gets its energy from other regions which...oops...are themselves melted) Sure, there's some algae growing in the cracks of the ice sometimes but that's not algae growing "in ice"...that's algae growing in the sun-lit layers where there is a crack full of water. That's completely different from having several meters of highly reflective ice covering thousands of square miles....but thanks for the comically incorrect criticisms.
karmashockNov 16, 2009
I've been to india... have you been to africa? I have...You have no idea.In any case it doesn't matter... your unwillingness to compromise dooms you politically. When push comes to shove your opinion won't matter unless it is made practical. Period.So upon that the argument is settled.