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Aug 29, 2006View in Crawl 4
I love when idiots make cracks about blue screens and such. When was the last time you saw a blue screen on a Windows machine? If it was anytime after 1998 than you're too stupid to be running the machine.
I'm running Vista pre-RC1 in VMWare on Kubuntu. Networking didn't initially work, but after installing VMTools it works great.I'm fairly impressed with Vista. I'm confused by all the whining about the security pop-ups. It's no different than having to enter su password for tasks in Linux...and it's nice to see Windows actually implementing some security.I'll stick with Linux, but that's just me.
Estvir: Microsoft agreed to invest 150 million in Apple to settle down patent disputes, not for "charity" as you implied. (And might I repeat for the 150 time that MS sold its Apple shares a long time ago.)Both the Xerox machines and the Mac were designed by pioneers that had worked on GUIs years before on their own, at a time where everything had to be invented in this area. For example, QuickDraw, the drawing APIs for the classic Mac, was imagined in a thesis in the 60's by Bill Atkinson, and I doubt he had access to any similar concepts to copy from. People like Jeff Raskin also had previous extensive experience with designing GUIs. The visit Jobs made to Xerox was paid, and there was some unofficial collaboration between the two companies, and some Xerox employees went to work for Apple as Xerox decided to downsize the project and didn't seem to care much about it. The late Xerox interfaces you can see with the icons on the desktop dates from after the Mac Finder was imagined. There was some "cross-polenisation" between the two companies, and that's why the most recent Xerox OS looks more like the first Mac OS and the Lisa. Apple didn't have a direct access to Xerox devkits and was working on a completely different scale, so they didn't copy the internal approach and had had to "invent" their own ways of making a GUI work on a 128k computer. They didn't detailed information about how a windowed GUI should works and had to try to fit it all in 128k of RAM.For Windows, it's different. Microsoft, threathened Apple not to release Mac software if they didn't get early access to the Mac devkits, which give them a detailed look on how a GUI OS would work. At the same time they also used this coersion method to force Apple to license some of the Mac GUI.They built Word, Excel on the Mac first, but keeping in mind to create a framework to port these programs on the x86 platform. So while writing Word and Excel on the Mac they reverse engineered the system and created an OS with very simillar APIs to the Mac so that they could port these more easily. In the first versions of Windows, you could even find APIs with very similar names to particular Mac APIs. The first versions of Windows copied much more details of the APIs and overall internal structure of the Mac than when you compare the Mac/Lisa OS with the Xerox OS experiments.Apple sued Microsoft when they started integrating things that were outside the scope of the GUI licenses they had.
@ DelMonteso is Steve Jobs picking on Windows all day long. I hate Windows vs. Mac ads... Please stop pickin on Windows and concentrate on your own s**t....ever heard of Google bad mouth'ing someone?PS - sorry to go off-topic
i repeat... apple has 2.1% of the market, and that has shrunk every single year since steve jobs returned.those are facts friends. google it for a while, or respond with more drivle... or paint me a pretty picture, you small (and shrinking) band of graphic artists.
rinoAug 30, 2006
More Windows fan boys than anything here tonight... move along.(psst. buy three copies! and buy a mac! I own good stakes in both)
akinderAug 30, 2006
I love when idiots make cracks about blue screens and such. When was the last time you saw a blue screen on a Windows machine? If it was anytime after 1998 than you're too stupid to be running the machine.
bmautryAug 30, 2006
I'm running Vista pre-RC1 in VMWare on Kubuntu. Networking didn't initially work, but after installing VMTools it works great.I'm fairly impressed with Vista. I'm confused by all the whining about the security pop-ups. It's no different than having to enter su password for tasks in Linux...and it's nice to see Windows actually implementing some security.I'll stick with Linux, but that's just me.
golddigginAug 31, 2006
Looks like a huge waste of RAM.
delmonteSep 1, 2006
Estvir: Microsoft agreed to invest 150 million in Apple to settle down patent disputes, not for "charity" as you implied. (And might I repeat for the 150 time that MS sold its Apple shares a long time ago.)Both the Xerox machines and the Mac were designed by pioneers that had worked on GUIs years before on their own, at a time where everything had to be invented in this area. For example, QuickDraw, the drawing APIs for the classic Mac, was imagined in a thesis in the 60's by Bill Atkinson, and I doubt he had access to any similar concepts to copy from. People like Jeff Raskin also had previous extensive experience with designing GUIs. The visit Jobs made to Xerox was paid, and there was some unofficial collaboration between the two companies, and some Xerox employees went to work for Apple as Xerox decided to downsize the project and didn't seem to care much about it. The late Xerox interfaces you can see with the icons on the desktop dates from after the Mac Finder was imagined. There was some "cross-polenisation" between the two companies, and that's why the most recent Xerox OS looks more like the first Mac OS and the Lisa. Apple didn't have a direct access to Xerox devkits and was working on a completely different scale, so they didn't copy the internal approach and had had to "invent" their own ways of making a GUI work on a 128k computer. They didn't detailed information about how a windowed GUI should works and had to try to fit it all in 128k of RAM.For Windows, it's different. Microsoft, threathened Apple not to release Mac software if they didn't get early access to the Mac devkits, which give them a detailed look on how a GUI OS would work. At the same time they also used this coersion method to force Apple to license some of the Mac GUI.They built Word, Excel on the Mac first, but keeping in mind to create a framework to port these programs on the x86 platform. So while writing Word and Excel on the Mac they reverse engineered the system and created an OS with very simillar APIs to the Mac so that they could port these more easily. In the first versions of Windows, you could even find APIs with very similar names to particular Mac APIs. The first versions of Windows copied much more details of the APIs and overall internal structure of the Mac than when you compare the Mac/Lisa OS with the Xerox OS experiments.Apple sued Microsoft when they started integrating things that were outside the scope of the GUI licenses they had.
delmonteSep 1, 2006
Because they are top-secret? (duh!)
neilpanSep 1, 2006
@ DelMonteso is Steve Jobs picking on Windows all day long. I hate Windows vs. Mac ads... Please stop pickin on Windows and concentrate on your own s**t....ever heard of Google bad mouth'ing someone?PS - sorry to go off-topic
boohooSep 2, 2006
i repeat... apple has 2.1% of the market, and that has shrunk every single year since steve jobs returned.those are facts friends. google it for a while, or respond with more drivle... or paint me a pretty picture, you small (and shrinking) band of graphic artists.