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idansimpsonJan 25, 2008
Bumping Digg articles is part of the Scientology opposition strategy... and frankly, it's working.
prisoner24601Jan 26, 2008
A Christian tells you: Man exists on this planet because God created HimAn atheist tells you: Man exists on this planet through the natural force of evolutionA Scientologist tells you: Man exists on this planet because the galactic overlord Xenu brought him here 85 million years ago.Can you acknowledge that these three positions are contradictory? Can you accept that truth is exclusive? I'm baffled that you presume anger on my part when there is none. (I'd emphasize that more strongly, but what would be the point? You seem quite willing to see whatever attitude you expect regardless of how measured my words are.) Regardless of "attitude" here, the issue remains that multiple answers are not possible. It is as simple as if a Christian asserts "2+2=4" and an atheist asserts "2+2=3" while a Muslim asserts "2+2=5." Those contrary positions (while wrong) are far more understandable than what yours appears to be. They at least proclaim *some* position with conviction and recognize that we can't all be right. Your position seems to be "believe whatever you want as long as it makes you happy and a productive member of society. 2+2 equals whatever you want it to." Which is absurd, and exactly the sort of attitude that gets people into something like Scientology (or Mormonism) in the first place. Rather than respond the patently obvious problem that mankind cannot *actually have* more than ONE real origin (regardless of the SECONDARY discussion of how we determine which is the correct one) you seem content to assail an imagined anger you think I have and then imply I am a bigot for not valuing a theory that says “the Stay Puft Marshmallow Man is god and created us” equal to other, more plausible ideas. That really is unfortunate.
Closed AccountJan 27, 2008
dude, the mormons have a couple of states .. in fact.. there's one right outside your window... watching. you. right. now.
chaulisJan 29, 2008
Yet we diggers say we killed a site when we flood it with connection attempts from multiple ips when something really nifty makes it to the front page. Essentially it is the same thing, only the reasons are different. But try but go ahead and try to determine that as a site admin with out access to the router(talkin cisco routers here not home user crap), the box it's running on, and netmon.
bfron110Jan 29, 2008
YES its a sad thing really... I would hope something happens about this.
thascoJan 29, 2008
The slow trickle of information on this cult continue to ooze*.. More ex-members of the cult speak out: <a class="user" href="http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?t=25090">http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?t=25090</a>*festering sore reference :)
sabrina777Jan 31, 2008
Yes, they do. But my parents and I were on staff, totally different. There are the staff and than there are public. Staff are the ones who wear the uniforms and have their lives controlled, while the public pay for services and get to live their lives as usual.
sectorx4Feb 9, 2008
This is what Scientology is all about, censorship and brainwashing through Transference and it ruins lives. If you want to know WHY people stay for so long then research transference and scientology.
mahdaengFeb 15, 2008
@prisoner24601:OK, I'll bite, but just because it's a slow day at work.[[The Bible describes many nations (Israel, Rome, Babylon, etc.) that archeology confirm existed in the places and at the times they are described. It is *reasonable* to conclude the Bible is TRUE, there is certainly no *evidence* in this area to show it is false.The Book of Mormon describes the Nephites and Lamanites and archeology has not found a SINGLE SHRED of proof that either of these supposedly vast civilizations EVER existed. It is *reasonable* to conclude the Book of Mormon is FALSE.]]On the basis of the "facts" you have just stated, it is not at al reasonable to conclude that the Bible is true. The Epic of Gilgamesh mentions real places, too, but that doesn't necessarily mean that a Sumerian hero descended to the Underworld on a great adventure. Dan Brown, for that matter, mentions plenty of real places and people in his novels, but they are still fiction at the end of the day. Furthermore, the lack of evidence to prove that something is false does not make it true - and vice versa. Do you have any evidence that a man can survive for three days in the belly of a great fish? How about the possibility of rain flooding the earth and a family of eight - along with an assortment of various animals - surviving the catastrophe on a home-made boat? What about a man's wife being turned into a pillar of salt because she looked longingly back at her old home? Sound sceintific to you?Regarding your criticism of the Book fo Mormon's claims, you are going to have to define "evidence" to me. There is plenty of evidence that various cultures came to the Americas in pre-Columbian times, not just the homogeneous, North Asian group that the ignorant still believe was the sole group that colonized the Americas. Is there any hard evidence that any of those people were the Nephites and Lamanites (or Mulekites and Jaredites, for that matter)? Well, I haven't heard of any stelae with Nephi's name carved on them. However, there is a wealth of "soft" evidence - or evidence of the possibility of such a group arriving in and colonizing some part of the Americas. Read up on the Chachapoyas for Peru for just a tid-bit of what I'm referring to. You may want to study the numeric structures found in the aboriginal languages of southern Mexico and Central America and then compare them to those found in early Semitic languages. Perhaps you'd also like to compare how the locations of major cities in the Book of Mormon (although they are, of course, called by names other than those that the Spanish knew them by) match up to major ancient cities currently know to archaeologists.This list could go on and on, but the point is that, by your own argument, since there is no evidence that the Book of Mormon is false, it must be reasonable to conclude that it is true - just as you have done with the Bible. For the record, I believe that both of those books are true, but that belief is not based on the kind of pseudo-logic that you promote.Now on to some of your other comments.[[The Book of Mormon (and the Book of Abraham and Book of Moses) are claimed to have been written in "Reformed Egyptian" which was supposedly the major language of the Nephites and Lamanites. Linguists have NEVER found EVEN ONE SINGLE DOCUMENT written in that language anywhere in the world EVER.]]Wrong. Reformed Egyptian was the language in which the Book of Mormon was written."And now, behold, we have written this record according to our knowledge, in the characters which are called among us the reformed Egyptian, being handed down and altered by us, according to our manner of speech. And if our plates had been sufficiently large we should have written in Hebrew; but the Hebrew hath been altered by us also; and if we could have written in Hebrew, behold, ye would have had no imperfection in our record." (<a class="user" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/morm/9/32-33#32)">http://scriptures.lds.org/en/morm/9/32-33#32)</a>The Book of Mormon does not mention what language the people spoke on a daily basis. Those who kept the sacred records (from which the Book of Mormon was compiled by Mormon and Moroni) were extemely few, therefore it is reasonable to conclude that very few ever wrote in that language, and it is also unsurprising that other such documents have not yet been found. An interesting aside is that in modern Israel, some refuse to speak Hebrew for their daily, public activities. They consider it a sacred language that should only be used for religious purposes, and they instead use Yiddish on the street. If the Nephites and Lamanites were indeed a Semitic people with Semitic beliefs and culture, would it surprise anyone that they should reserve a special language for their sacred records? It is also interesting to note how easily and smoothly the language structures in the Book of Mormon (many of which are clumsy in English) translate into Semitic languages such as Aramaic, Hebrew, and Arabic.[[First of all, your assertion that what I'm doing even remotely qualifies as "persecution" just cheapens the term and is an affront to all the people (of all faiths) who face *genuine* persecution in the world. You are not facing loss of life, loss of your job, being run out of your community, threatened with physical violence in any form.]]Perhaps neseus misused the word in applying it to this conversation. After all, as you clearly state, he is in no danger of losing his job, home, or of suffering physical violence because of this conversation. The early members of the LDS church, however, were indeed in those very straits. Their homes were burned, their property stolen - sometimes even confiscated by government authorities, their children killed, their women raped, etc. Why? Because they believed that God had spoken again and had chosen a modern-day prophet to testify of the reality and divinity of Jesus Christ (just as he had done in earlier times with men such as Abraham, Moses, Elijah, Isaiah, etc.) - something that should be good news to any self-professing Christian. Considering the history of the LDS people, who had to bury their dead in shallow graves along the frozen road they forged to Utah, fleeing the hands of their persecutors, leaving trails of blood in the snow from their poorly shodden feet, it should not alarm you that the word, "persecution", pops up from time to time.
natxohmMar 18, 2008
I agree with you in that. We can fast foward to 2008, but we are missing the origins of religion and why they are now supposedly not cults. If they are not considered cults is because of their huge power and influence on social life. I live in Spain and the Catholic Church requires money from the Spanish Government, which unfortunately gives them what they need. There is something in the "fast-foward" thing from "ethanpack" that is entirely wrong, apart from what I have just mentioned. Cult members can practice their rituals alone in private. Anyone can do anything in private. Nobody sees you. Anyway, I just want to point out something else. He has not mentioned that cults do not allow so easily to leave their group. Yes, that is true, but the Catholic Church does the same. Let me give you an example. I was baptised when I was just 2 months old (I could not stop it...) and now I want to get my name out of the Church?s registries so that they cannot consider me catholic in order to use the data for the country?s religious stats that are shown every year. Well, in order to get my name out I have to travel to a town which is in the middle of nowhere just to ask if I it cuold be possible to do it. They do not guarantee me anything. And I cannot call them or send them an email because they are still in the Middle Age.... I mean, cults and religions, not such a different thing....
redmhJun 6, 2008
Scientology has indeed been disastrous to many individuals, but the "church" has kind of blown its credibility since the alien backstory has been made public knowledge.Cheers<a class="user" href="http://best-psychics.blogspot.com">http://best-psychics.blogspot.com</a>
jamejzzSep 4, 2008
Don?t take the bait, guys. These points have been argued extensively in other topics, and we?ve come to the conclusion that the COS?s actions are what?s despicable, not necessarily its beliefs. Let?s look past our differences and unite. This is a worthy cause.<a class="user" href="http://hosting-linux2u.blogspot.com">http://hosting-linux2u.blogspot.com</a><a class="user" href="http://ladies-wide-shoes.blogspot.com">http://ladies-wide-shoes.blogspot.com</a><a class="user" href="http://prostate-cancer-options.blogspot.com">http://prostate-cancer-options.blogspot.com</a>
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radiogalcoDec 19, 2008
Is Keylontics a re-cycled version of Scientology, but without the negative publicity?
aldwizbxmJan 10, 2009
Dear God, this is so heart wrenching. You are brave to stand up to them. Your account gives everyone important insight into the cult and how very difficult it is for people to extricate themselves. Your story makes me see what it must have been like for Beck or Neil Gaiman. Gaiman grew up in Scientology, was declared ?Clear? in 1978, became a class VIII auditor running the Birmingham Org. Although declared suppressive in 1983 with his father David Gaiman, by 1988 Neil Gaiman was listed as completing three Scientology courses, so he must have been pulled back in. Scientologists often declare people suppressive but revoke the declare when they get in line, which is probably what happened. Neil?s father is a high-ranking scientologist (OT VIII) and his sister, Claire Edwards, is a main executive in Scientology Missions International the recruiting end of Scientology. He would have to grow some balls to get out of that situation. Maybe the light you are shining and your bravery will lead others out of the dark.
aldwizbxmJan 10, 2009
Dear God, this is so heart wrenching. You are brave to stand up to them. Your account gives everyone important insight into the cult and how very difficult it is for people to extricate themselves. Your story makes me see what it must have been like for Beck or Neil Gaiman. Gaiman grew up in Scientology, was declared ?Clear? in 1978, became a class VIII auditor running the Birmingham Org. Although declared suppressive in 1983 with his father David Gaiman, by 1988 Neil Gaiman was listed as completing three Scientology courses, so he must have been pulled back in. Scientologists often declare people suppressive but revoke the declare when they get in line. Neil?s father is a high-ranking scientologist (OT VIII) and his sister, Claire Edwards, is a main executive in Scientology Missions International the recruiting end of Scientology. He would have to grow some balls to get out of that situation. Maybe the light you are shining and your bravery will lead others out of the dark.
senatosJan 13, 2009
These points have been argued extensively in other topics <a class="user" href="http://www.blog-o-kino.com">http://www.blog-o-kino.com</a> They may be a bit repetitive but I think it's an important topic. <a class="user" href="http://www.autonovosti.com.ua">http://www.autonovosti.com.ua</a> A sad story, but very consistent with other accounts of former Scientology victims. <a class="user" href="http://gym.in.ua">http://gym.in.ua</a>
senatosJan 16, 2009
The staff was not allowed to socialize with the public after events, only to sell books, we could not join them on the dance floor, or in the auditorium.<a class="user" href="http://www.blog-o-kino.com">http://www.blog-o-kino.com</a>Screw you Mr. Babyman!<a class="user" href="http://www.autonovosti.com.ua">http://www.autonovosti.com.ua</a>I have to point out one slight oddity, admitedly she doesn't mention internet access, but what was she doing with a myspace page while inside the SeaOrg?<a class="user" href="http://gym.in.ua">http://gym.in.ua</a>When my brother found out I was talking to my dad again, he refused to talk to me anymore. Now that I have associate myself with my dad, I am also declared, which means my brother can't talk to me.
grimacebrownJan 25, 2009
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