economist.com— "Why is America so much more pro-Israeli than Europe? The most obvious answer lies in the power of two very visible political forces"
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@intradinkYeah, lipstick color and current policy... I'm sure that is what he meant by Europes history of anti-semitism. Tiberious; Claudius; Tacitus; Hadrian; Honorius; Barsauma; Yazdegard II; Justinian I; The Councils of Cleremont, Orleans, Narbonne, Paris, Toledo and Oxford; Sisebur; Juramentum Judaeorum; Heraclius; Dagobert I; Quinisext; Charles the Simple; Calife Al-Hakim bi-Amr Allah and Rodulfus Glaber; Henry II; Abul Kamal Tumin; Emicho; Yoseph Ibn Tashfin, the Almohad Dynasty; Blois; Third Council of the Lateran; Philip II; Frederick I; al-Malik; Judensau; Marrakech; Anjou and Poitou; Duke Jean le Roux; Pope Gregory IX, James I of Aragon; Pope Innocent IV; Louis IX; Thomas Aquinas; Synod of Breslau; Edward I; Pope Nicholas III; Synod of Ofen; John Pectin; Philip III; Munich and Oberwesel Blood Libels; Gascony; Edict of Expulsion; Philip IV; Rindfleisch; Shepherds' Crusade; Henry II; Charles IV; Franconia and Alsace; Black Death mass murders; Basel; Wenceslaus; Barcelona, Valencia and Palma De Majorca; Poznań; Vicente Ferrer; Avignon Pope Benedict XIII; Lyone expulsions; Wiener Gesera; Council of Basel, Sessio XIX; Majorcan; Morrocon Mellahs; Statute of Toledo; Marranos; Bernardino de Fletre; Spanish Inquisition; Tomás de Torquemada; La Guardia, Spain; Ferdinand II; Mecklenburg; Alexander Jagiellon; České Budějovice; Lisbon mass killings; Johannes Pfefferkorn; Brandenburg; Venice ghettos, Servitus Judaeorum; Tunis; Martin Luther; Prague; Ivan the Terrible; Genoa; Pope Julius III and IV, Cornelio da Montalcino; Pope Paul IV's, Cum nimis absurdum; Recanati; Polatsk and Lithuania; Pope Pius V; Pope Sixtus V; Mikulov; Pope Clement VIII; Frei Diogo Da Assumpacao; Pope Paul V; Vincent Fettmilch; Louis XIII; Worms; Shah Abbasi; Ferrara ghettos; Bohdan Khmelnytsky; Lviv; Vienna; Johann Andreas Eisenmenger, Entdecktes Judenthum; Sandomierz; Catherine I; Haidamaka; Elizabeth of Russia; Frederick II of Prussia; Maria Theresa of Austria; Voltaire; Pope Pius VI, Editto sopra gli ebrei; Joseph II; Eleazer Solomon; Morocco razings; Pale of Settlement; Pope Pius VII; Hep-Hep Riots; Cantonists; Nicholas I of Russia; Damascus affair; Karl Marx and Bruno Bauer; Saratov; Edgardo Mortara; Pope Pius IX; Adolf Stoecker; Heinrich von Treitschke; Wilhelm Marr; Pogroms; Tiszaeszlár Affair; International Anti-Jewish Congress; Alexander III of Russia; Moscow expulsions; Karl Lueger; Dreyfus Affair; A. C. Cuza, Alliance Anti-semitique Universelle; Houston Stewart Chamberlain, Die Grundlagen des 19 Jahrhunderts; Bohemia; Hilsner Affair; Kishinev pogrom; Pavel Krushevan; Russian expulsions; Volodymyr Vynnychenko, Russian mass murders, Russian Civil War; Cheka, Mohammad Amin al-Husayni; Adolph Hitler; Moussolini; Nikita Khrushchev; Solomon Mikhoels murder; the Night of Murdered Poets; the Doctors' plot; Poland; Munich Olympics; Pamyat; Duma; Ilan Halimi.
You are wrong in stating that Israel withdrew from southern Lebanon in 2000. Israel retained control of the Sheba'a Farms - an area which is recognized as part of Lebanon and which interestingly has no strategic importance. The area is around the size of three football pitches. Had Israel withdrew from this spec of land, it would have stripped Hezbollah of it's raison d'etre.
I can't comment on why people agree with me or not. Never heard of National Vanguard, so can't comment on that either.What I can comment on is that there are numerous reports of both sides crossing the line.Personally I haven't seen or heard anything (in the last 30 years) I would classify as the *widespread* anti-semitism you claim of. Certainly there are individual cases of racism, but I'd say in my experience other ethnic groups are usually on the receiving end (at least in the UK). By shouting 'anti-semite' as soon as anyone questions a specific political *policy*, you are closing your ears to an important debate.I have a problem with all 'right-wing/ultra-orthodox/fanatical' groups usurping national and global politics, regardless if it is in Israel, Saudi, USA, or the Sudan. Each of these groups are genuine worry, particularly when they start setting national policy (as we have seen already in 2 world wars)
The US supports Israel because the US and Israel are so similar. Israel is basically the superpower of the middle east.Ways that the US and Israel are similar:1. Israel has a bad ass army2. Every other country in the middle east hates their guts3. Israel has nukes!!! (At least we're pretty sure they have nukes)
Yeah, it's a blame the victim mentality which makes no sense. Somebody needs to deal with the rabid Zionist dogs and it looks like Hezbollah has stepped up to the plate
It doesn't matter who is right and who is wrong. The fact is that Europe buys about 90% of its oil from the Middle East (clearly, not from Israel). It is also a fact that demographically, most countries in Europe are composed of 10%-20% Muslims. It is also a fact that the European union has many active and profitable contracts with the Middle East (again, not Israel). So, it is really a simplification of the issue to claim that the sympathy to Israel is derived from a powerful lobby and the Christians. The fact is that most Americans are honest enough to know that if Iran set up an army on its border, and shot thousands of rockets into the USA -- the friendly neighbor would be in deep trouble. If the Europeans were more honest - they would acknowledge the same points.
"The reason we give Israel support is because they are the only democracy in the region. This is not that difficult to understand."Can you really call a democracy a country that treats people differently based on race and religion? THAT is difficult to understand.
The United States is in the business of Contract Terrorism. Weather it be siding with Israel, or hiring Asama Bin Lad-din to take care of the Russians when they invaded Afghanistan. Lets face it, Israel is and always has been the United States Hired Terrorist. This American people are not aware of this because we are naive, and have been brainwashed by the Media, which is also primarily Jewish. So unlike the rest of the world, the United States get to the minute, anti Arab, Pro Hebrew point of view, ALL DAY AND ALL NIGHT LONG! It is no wonder that most Americans hate Arab Nations, and give Israel a pass for all their wrong doing. The primary religion in the United Stated is obviously Christianity, and the Jewish media exploits that the Jews are Gods chosen people, and Arabs must be Evil. Almost never is it brought up that Jews and Muslims are both descendants of Abraham, which make them cousins. And that the Jewish and Muslim religions are almost identical. Christian's side with the Jews because Jesus was a Jew. But if Jesus was a cousin of Mohammad, then wouldn't that make all of us on big f**kED UP FAMILY. The continuous fighting in the middle east has been going on since the beginning of time, and its obvious that it will never end. But some how, through the Print we read on a daily basis, the TV we watch regularly, the radio programs we listen to, the movies we see are ALL from the Jewish perspective.
You mean must read only with critical thinking on how to examine unscholastic bogus hate propaganda. Funny how even with $25 million in Arab donations given to Harvard, even Harvard would not stand by the Walt and Mearsheimer bogus piece of crappy anti-Israel propaganda. Read Victor David Hanson. Read Mark Steyn. If you want to read anti-semitic bunk that's already been disproven, sure read Walt, Mearsheimer, Jimmy Carter, recent Iranian and Palestinian speeches, etc.
why doent anybody undersatnd the point? the question is simple why the us supporting israel?beacuse in 1947 before the creation of independent isareli state the president of the usa was harry truman and he counted jewish votes to get re-elected in the next election. before he accepted the un partition plan he received 150,000 mails from jews in the usa asking him to create israel and recognize its independence. apart from that the usa had a strtegic policy in the middle east which was to rely on a local power and israel fit this definition so every now on then they would intervene in the middle east. keep in mind that there is a profitable link by supporting both side in the region. during the cold war period while the usa supported and provided israel with military and financial aid the ussr supported and armed arab countries. in fact afr=ter the independence of israel the ussr sent thousands of troops to arab countries.even europena countries supported each side because this caused an eternal conflict and misuse of wealth to arabs.as many countries would buy oil from the arabs they would sell them gunsit does make sense though. america created a monster in middle east am artificila state which would cause conflict and bacward arabs. also bear in mind that the arab countries could never achieve in forming social or industrial progrees the rather achieved military system.
If you ever cared to find out the reasons that leads them to say that, you'll be quite shocked. Nobody hates your "way of life". They don't give a f**k as long as you stay out of their business, which you invariably cannot (because of the foreign policy you pursue). Supporting Israel blindly and condemning it NOT EVEN ONCE sends a pretty clear message to the entire world and I think is the number # 1 reason for America's unpopularity, followed by mindless invasions of course.
threedddAug 6, 2006
@intradinkYeah, lipstick color and current policy... I'm sure that is what he meant by Europes history of anti-semitism. Tiberious; Claudius; Tacitus; Hadrian; Honorius; Barsauma; Yazdegard II; Justinian I; The Councils of Cleremont, Orleans, Narbonne, Paris, Toledo and Oxford; Sisebur; Juramentum Judaeorum; Heraclius; Dagobert I; Quinisext; Charles the Simple; Calife Al-Hakim bi-Amr Allah and Rodulfus Glaber; Henry II; Abul Kamal Tumin; Emicho; Yoseph Ibn Tashfin, the Almohad Dynasty; Blois; Third Council of the Lateran; Philip II; Frederick I; al-Malik; Judensau; Marrakech; Anjou and Poitou; Duke Jean le Roux; Pope Gregory IX, James I of Aragon; Pope Innocent IV; Louis IX; Thomas Aquinas; Synod of Breslau; Edward I; Pope Nicholas III; Synod of Ofen; John Pectin; Philip III; Munich and Oberwesel Blood Libels; Gascony; Edict of Expulsion; Philip IV; Rindfleisch; Shepherds' Crusade; Henry II; Charles IV; Franconia and Alsace; Black Death mass murders; Basel; Wenceslaus; Barcelona, Valencia and Palma De Majorca; Poznań; Vicente Ferrer; Avignon Pope Benedict XIII; Lyone expulsions; Wiener Gesera; Council of Basel, Sessio XIX; Majorcan; Morrocon Mellahs; Statute of Toledo; Marranos; Bernardino de Fletre; Spanish Inquisition; Tomás de Torquemada; La Guardia, Spain; Ferdinand II; Mecklenburg; Alexander Jagiellon; České Budějovice; Lisbon mass killings; Johannes Pfefferkorn; Brandenburg; Venice ghettos, Servitus Judaeorum; Tunis; Martin Luther; Prague; Ivan the Terrible; Genoa; Pope Julius III and IV, Cornelio da Montalcino; Pope Paul IV's, Cum nimis absurdum; Recanati; Polatsk and Lithuania; Pope Pius V; Pope Sixtus V; Mikulov; Pope Clement VIII; Frei Diogo Da Assumpacao; Pope Paul V; Vincent Fettmilch; Louis XIII; Worms; Shah Abbasi; Ferrara ghettos; Bohdan Khmelnytsky; Lviv; Vienna; Johann Andreas Eisenmenger, Entdecktes Judenthum; Sandomierz; Catherine I; Haidamaka; Elizabeth of Russia; Frederick II of Prussia; Maria Theresa of Austria; Voltaire; Pope Pius VI, Editto sopra gli ebrei; Joseph II; Eleazer Solomon; Morocco razings; Pale of Settlement; Pope Pius VII; Hep-Hep Riots; Cantonists; Nicholas I of Russia; Damascus affair; Karl Marx and Bruno Bauer; Saratov; Edgardo Mortara; Pope Pius IX; Adolf Stoecker; Heinrich von Treitschke; Wilhelm Marr; Pogroms; Tiszaeszlár Affair; International Anti-Jewish Congress; Alexander III of Russia; Moscow expulsions; Karl Lueger; Dreyfus Affair; A. C. Cuza, Alliance Anti-semitique Universelle; Houston Stewart Chamberlain, Die Grundlagen des 19 Jahrhunderts; Bohemia; Hilsner Affair; Kishinev pogrom; Pavel Krushevan; Russian expulsions; Volodymyr Vynnychenko, Russian mass murders, Russian Civil War; Cheka, Mohammad Amin al-Husayni; Adolph Hitler; Moussolini; Nikita Khrushchev; Solomon Mikhoels murder; the Night of Murdered Poets; the Doctors' plot; Poland; Munich Olympics; Pamyat; Duma; Ilan Halimi.
newsaddictAug 6, 2006
You are wrong in stating that Israel withdrew from southern Lebanon in 2000. Israel retained control of the Sheba'a Farms - an area which is recognized as part of Lebanon and which interestingly has no strategic importance. The area is around the size of three football pitches. Had Israel withdrew from this spec of land, it would have stripped Hezbollah of it's raison d'etre.
intradinkAug 6, 2006
I can't comment on why people agree with me or not. Never heard of National Vanguard, so can't comment on that either.What I can comment on is that there are numerous reports of both sides crossing the line.Personally I haven't seen or heard anything (in the last 30 years) I would classify as the *widespread* anti-semitism you claim of. Certainly there are individual cases of racism, but I'd say in my experience other ethnic groups are usually on the receiving end (at least in the UK). By shouting 'anti-semite' as soon as anyone questions a specific political *policy*, you are closing your ears to an important debate.I have a problem with all 'right-wing/ultra-orthodox/fanatical' groups usurping national and global politics, regardless if it is in Israel, Saudi, USA, or the Sudan. Each of these groups are genuine worry, particularly when they start setting national policy (as we have seen already in 2 world wars)
dignationAug 6, 2006
The US supports Israel because the US and Israel are so similar. Israel is basically the superpower of the middle east.Ways that the US and Israel are similar:1. Israel has a bad ass army2. Every other country in the middle east hates their guts3. Israel has nukes!!! (At least we're pretty sure they have nukes)
p0psAug 6, 2006
@by threedddYou're a joke p0ps.I'm sorry you don't want to consider a new concept. Fun while it lasted, bye.
blogscepticAug 8, 2006
Yeah, it's a blame the victim mentality which makes no sense. Somebody needs to deal with the rabid Zionist dogs and it looks like Hezbollah has stepped up to the plate
hammerofmanAug 8, 2006
AIPAC, AIPAC, AIPAC - your answer
sharonieAug 8, 2006
It doesn't matter who is right and who is wrong. The fact is that Europe buys about 90% of its oil from the Middle East (clearly, not from Israel). It is also a fact that demographically, most countries in Europe are composed of 10%-20% Muslims. It is also a fact that the European union has many active and profitable contracts with the Middle East (again, not Israel). So, it is really a simplification of the issue to claim that the sympathy to Israel is derived from a powerful lobby and the Christians. The fact is that most Americans are honest enough to know that if Iran set up an army on its border, and shot thousands of rockets into the USA -- the friendly neighbor would be in deep trouble. If the Europeans were more honest - they would acknowledge the same points.
corrosionxAug 10, 2006
"The reason we give Israel support is because they are the only democracy in the region. This is not that difficult to understand."Can you really call a democracy a country that treats people differently based on race and religion? THAT is difficult to understand.
whoopinass2005Aug 12, 2006
The United States is in the business of Contract Terrorism. Weather it be siding with Israel, or hiring Asama Bin Lad-din to take care of the Russians when they invaded Afghanistan. Lets face it, Israel is and always has been the United States Hired Terrorist. This American people are not aware of this because we are naive, and have been brainwashed by the Media, which is also primarily Jewish. So unlike the rest of the world, the United States get to the minute, anti Arab, Pro Hebrew point of view, ALL DAY AND ALL NIGHT LONG! It is no wonder that most Americans hate Arab Nations, and give Israel a pass for all their wrong doing. The primary religion in the United Stated is obviously Christianity, and the Jewish media exploits that the Jews are Gods chosen people, and Arabs must be Evil. Almost never is it brought up that Jews and Muslims are both descendants of Abraham, which make them cousins. And that the Jewish and Muslim religions are almost identical. Christian's side with the Jews because Jesus was a Jew. But if Jesus was a cousin of Mohammad, then wouldn't that make all of us on big f**kED UP FAMILY. The continuous fighting in the middle east has been going on since the beginning of time, and its obvious that it will never end. But some how, through the Print we read on a daily basis, the TV we watch regularly, the radio programs we listen to, the movies we see are ALL from the Jewish perspective.
threedddAug 12, 2006
Yet another that has had a David Duke / Code Pink / Howard Dean / National Stormfront / Farrakahn / National Vanguard / Jessie Jackson mind meld.
shoneAug 24, 2006
American unconditional support for Israel???The best explanation so far is published by Stephen Walt and John Mearsheimer.MUST READ!!<a class="user" href="http://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n06/mear01_.html">http://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n06/mear01_.html</a>
cjwrightJan 14, 2007
You mean must read only with critical thinking on how to examine unscholastic bogus hate propaganda. Funny how even with $25 million in Arab donations given to Harvard, even Harvard would not stand by the Walt and Mearsheimer bogus piece of crappy anti-Israel propaganda. Read Victor David Hanson. Read Mark Steyn. If you want to read anti-semitic bunk that's already been disproven, sure read Walt, Mearsheimer, Jimmy Carter, recent Iranian and Palestinian speeches, etc.
yesimMay 21, 2007
why doent anybody undersatnd the point? the question is simple why the us supporting israel?beacuse in 1947 before the creation of independent isareli state the president of the usa was harry truman and he counted jewish votes to get re-elected in the next election. before he accepted the un partition plan he received 150,000 mails from jews in the usa asking him to create israel and recognize its independence. apart from that the usa had a strtegic policy in the middle east which was to rely on a local power and israel fit this definition so every now on then they would intervene in the middle east. keep in mind that there is a profitable link by supporting both side in the region. during the cold war period while the usa supported and provided israel with military and financial aid the ussr supported and armed arab countries. in fact afr=ter the independence of israel the ussr sent thousands of troops to arab countries.even europena countries supported each side because this caused an eternal conflict and misuse of wealth to arabs.as many countries would buy oil from the arabs they would sell them gunsit does make sense though. america created a monster in middle east am artificila state which would cause conflict and bacward arabs. also bear in mind that the arab countries could never achieve in forming social or industrial progrees the rather achieved military system.
razzJan 22, 2009
If you ever cared to find out the reasons that leads them to say that, you'll be quite shocked. Nobody hates your "way of life". They don't give a f**k as long as you stay out of their business, which you invariably cannot (because of the foreign policy you pursue). Supporting Israel blindly and condemning it NOT EVEN ONCE sends a pretty clear message to the entire world and I think is the number # 1 reason for America's unpopularity, followed by mindless invasions of course.