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Closed AccountApr 14, 2009Submitter
@InRusset--You know I normally agree with you so just hear me out. Ron Paul isn't saying that we caused terrorism but that our foreign policy of interventionism stirs the pot because we fund both sides. We funded the Nazis, We funded Bin Ladin (he was a CIA asset)....i mean the list goes on but I want to keep this short. If you fund both sides, it no longer matter who wins because you always come up on top. What he wants us to do is stop dropping tax payer money in black holes overseas. Stop the insane amount of humanitarian aide (our tax dollars pay for abortions overseas). Our Constitution tells us to DEFEND our country, not waste tax money on bases all over the entire globe. Our Constitution is meant to liberate us not all peoples in the world. In any event, before I started looking at Ron Paul seriously...I grappled with the same "conservative" p.o.v. that we need to stay in Iraq, that it is justified...to quote the talk radio guys, "Is it better now that we went there? Was it better when Saddam Hussein was in power?" Well...yes and no. Conservative talking heads have made it unpatriotic to speak out against the war. They are wrong...there adamant refusal to tell the truth, admit that the war was unconstitutional and the unwillingness to rail against the Patriot Act and Bush's bad policy is what got us here...This nation is doomed if conservatives only see half the picture. To take back our country we need to live within the boundaries of our constitution and our founding principles...we can't bend the rules like the liberals do, no matter how noble the cause.
emmettgolfApr 14, 2009
More and more people are beginning to see the light. Hopefully, a fresh new eloquent voice will emerge from the shadows. We need someone like Daniel Hanna. Let's hope that Ron Paul lives to see it.
emazurApr 14, 2009
If they're so inclined to kill, why focus on the US? We attacked an Iraq w/ no Al Qaeda ties, and now it is a breeding ground for Al Qaeda terrorists. The indiscriminate bombing of Pakistan's border is sure to stir up more anti-American feelings, and are foreign policy experiments have been antagonizing the Middle East all the way back to when we overthrew Iran's prime minister in 1953.excerpts from bin Laden tape in 2004:Peace be upon he who follows the guidance: People of America this talk of mine is for you and concerns the ideal way to prevent another Manhattan, and deals with the war and its causes and results. Before I begin, I say to you that security is an indispensable pillar of human life and that free men do not forfeit their security, contrary to Bush's claim that we hate freedom. If so, then let him explain to us why we don't strike for example – Sweden? And we know that freedom-haters don't possess defiant spirits like those of the 19 – may Allah have mercy on them.I say to you, Allah knows that it had never occurred to us to strike the towers. But after it became unbearable and we witnessed the oppression and tyranny of the American/Israeli coalition against our people in Palestine and Lebanon, it came to my mind. The events that affected my soul in a direct way started in 1982 when America permitted the Israelis to invade Lebanon and the American Sixth Fleet helped them in that. This bombardment began and many were killed and injured and others were terrorized and displaced. I couldn't forget those moving scenes, blood and severed limbs, women and children sprawled everywhere. Houses destroyed along with their occupants and high rises demolished over their residents, rockets raining down on our home without mercy. In those difficult moments many hard-to-describe ideas bubbled in my soul, but in the end they produced an intense feeling of rejection of tyranny, and gave birth to a strong resolve to punish the oppressors.And that day, it was confirmed to me that oppression and the intentional killing of innocent women and children is a deliberate American policy. Destruction is freedom and democracy, while resistance is terrorism and intolerance.This means the oppressing and embargoing to death of millions as Bush Sr. did in Iraq in the greatest mass slaughter of children mankind has ever known, and it means the throwing of millions of pounds of bombs and explosives at millions of children – also in Iraq – as Bush Jr. Did, in order to remove an old agent and replace him with a new puppet to assist in the pilfering of Iraq's oil and other outrages.All that we have mentioned has made it easy for us to provoke and bait this administration. All that we have to do is to send two Mujahideen to the furthest point East to raise a piece of cloth on which is written al-Qaida, in order to make the generals race there to cause America to suffer human, economic, and political losses without their achieving for it anything of note other than some benefits for their private companies. This is in addition to our having experience in using guerrilla warfare and the war of attrition to fight tyrannical superpowers, as we, alongside the Mujahideen, bled Russia for ten years, until it went bankrupt and was forced to withdraw in defeat.So we are continuing this policy in bleeding America to the point of bankruptcy. Rather, the policy of the White House that demands the opening of war fronts to keep busy their various corporations – whether they be working in the field of arms or oil or reconstruction – has helped al-Qaida to achieve these enormous results. And it was to these sorts of notions and their like that the British diplomat and others were referring in their lectures at the Royal Institute of International Affairs. (When they pointed out that) for example, al-Qaida spent $500 000 on the event, while America, in the incident and its aftermath, lost – according to the lowest estimate – more than 500 billion dollars. Finally, it behooves you to reflect on the last wills and testaments of the thousands who left you on the 11th as they gestured in despair. They are important testaments, which should be studied and researched. Among the most important of what I read in them was some prose in their gestures before the collapse, where they say, "How mistaken we were to have allowed the White House to implement its aggressive foreign policies against the weak without supervision." It is as if they were telling you, the people of America, "Hold to account those who have caused us to be killed, and happy is he who learns from others' mistakes," And among that which I read in their gestures is a verse of poetry, "Injustice chases its people, and how unhealthy the bed of tyranny."As has been said, "An ounce of prevention is better than a pound of cure."And know that, "It is better to return to the truth than persist in error." And that the wise man doesn't squander his security, wealth and children for the sake of the liar in the White House.In conclusion, I tell you in truth, that your security is not in the hands of Kerry, nor Bush, nor al-Qaida.No.Your security is in your own hands. And every state that doesn't play with our security has automatically guaranteed its own security.
Closed AccountApr 14, 2009Submitter
same difference.
Closed AccountApr 15, 2009
Go on, dig me down, rather than refuting my points. Ron Paul, like all of his followers, does not understand Islam. He does not understand the principles of deception for strategic gain, and neither does anyone who posts Osama transcripts with the assumption that the man is 100% honest. Do you see it? Both Paul, his followers, and America's enemies have a knee-jerk, reflexive need to discount and dislike America, and a willingness to believe America's enemies.