@jeffiekI'd argue that the Dodo and any other extinct species would dispute the permancy of unfettered commercial human behavior. As would the (picking an example almost at random) miners who died of black lung after working coal.For a quick answer, I'll see your "Wisdom of Crowds" and raise you an "Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds," by Charles Mackay. Sure, that's a glib answer, but we're not exactly on new ground here.The upshot of this discussion (which has been retread many other places and times, dating back to before the US' founding fathers) is that government works best in a dynamic tension against people's desires - so that each may counterbalance the others' follies. I contend that this applies to commercial behavior as much as it does to political, and that an atittude where Adam Smith's dead hand is given free reign is as much a problem as those who wish to trust a centrally planned economy.
Is that your best argument? I bow before your superior intellect. I guess I'll have to start supporting Ron Paul, too, so I can be just as cool as you.
My goal in life is to eradicate stupidity which pretty much puts me at direct odds with Ron Paul supporters and truthers. I believe in the United States of American and I believe in the American people. We are at heart a good, caring, generous people that want nothing but the best for each other and for the world. The American people believe in helping the disadvantaged and poor among us. We are one of the few countries to ever fight a war to set other people free. We donate more to the poor and hungry around the world than anyone. Ron Paul's vision of government would end all of that. He is, like most Libertarians, a miser that believes that he shouldn't have to share his hoarded gold with anyone. The truther movement is simply a way for anti-government and anti-Bush people to find a voice. The truthers are small minded, mean spirited people that are exploiting a national tragedy for the own ends. I don't blame the truthers here for their beliefs. I blame Alex Jones and people of his ilk for spreading these lies for their own financial benefit. You people are just the followers that cannot see what is being done to you. I know that I cannot save the true believers. I'm more concerned about those people on the borderline that may read some of this propaganda and believe it to be true. Someone needs to show them that most all of what you people are saying is just nonsense. That's why I, and others like me, come here to let them know that you are not peddling the truth.That plus the fact that I am personally offended by the intellectual dishonesty of the truther movement.
"You've made some fairly convincing arguments. Too bad most of them have been shot down so now you have to resort to insulting his supporters and making arguments about his popularity"Really? Which of them has been shot down? All I've seen is people parroting each others comments and offering no real answers."Ron Paul said that one of the first things he would do as President is have a meeting with the members of Congress and develop a good relationship with them."So "Dr. No" is going to have a meeting and repair all of the bridges that he's burned in his Congressional career? Do you have no idea how Congress works? People who refuse to compromise shouldn't expect cooperation from their opposition and pretty much everyone in Congress is his opposition."Who are you interested in electing, exactly?"I have worked and voted for a conservative agenda for most of my life. I believe in smaller government but I do not believe that you have to gut the Federal government and render it powerless to achieve this goal.Furthermore, if you expect me to sit by quietly while people attack me you are in for a disappointment. I have been called names, threatened and ridiculed for having an opinion that does not fit the world view of the Ron Paul supporters. One person even said that I should be charged with treason and shot for not supporting him. How would you expect me to react? The last time I checked the freedom of speech was still in the constitution and it's not limited to just those that support Ron Paul.
No you need not say more.......Your failure to understand the framework of the constitution and our founding fathers intent is blatantly evident. How can you or anyone else for that matter diss Dr. Paul while calling yourself American? You crave Federal involvement and Love Big Brother. You deserve the enslavement that you will soon get. Instead of shooting up Iraq we soon will be on our way to shooting up each other. Give me liberty or give me death! I am a true American. You people are exactly the piece of SH*T this country was founded to get away from.
"Voted NO on campaign finance reform banning soft-money contributions. (Feb 2002)""I don't understand what this bill was for and I doubt you do either, but ill give you the benefit of the doubt here.""Campaign Finance Reform" is an incumbent protection bill. It does nothing to reform camapign financing and does everything to protect the incumbent.Want TRUE campaign finance reform? Repeal the 17th amendment, and let state legislatures select the state's senators again. That removes most of the incentive for special interests to try and buy politicians with campaign contributions.
roentgenMar 24, 2007
@jeffiekI'd argue that the Dodo and any other extinct species would dispute the permancy of unfettered commercial human behavior. As would the (picking an example almost at random) miners who died of black lung after working coal.For a quick answer, I'll see your "Wisdom of Crowds" and raise you an "Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds," by Charles Mackay. Sure, that's a glib answer, but we're not exactly on new ground here.The upshot of this discussion (which has been retread many other places and times, dating back to before the US' founding fathers) is that government works best in a dynamic tension against people's desires - so that each may counterbalance the others' follies. I contend that this applies to commercial behavior as much as it does to political, and that an atittude where Adam Smith's dead hand is given free reign is as much a problem as those who wish to trust a centrally planned economy.
Closed AccountMar 25, 2007
Is that your best argument? I bow before your superior intellect. I guess I'll have to start supporting Ron Paul, too, so I can be just as cool as you.
Closed AccountMar 25, 2007
My goal in life is to eradicate stupidity which pretty much puts me at direct odds with Ron Paul supporters and truthers. I believe in the United States of American and I believe in the American people. We are at heart a good, caring, generous people that want nothing but the best for each other and for the world. The American people believe in helping the disadvantaged and poor among us. We are one of the few countries to ever fight a war to set other people free. We donate more to the poor and hungry around the world than anyone. Ron Paul's vision of government would end all of that. He is, like most Libertarians, a miser that believes that he shouldn't have to share his hoarded gold with anyone. The truther movement is simply a way for anti-government and anti-Bush people to find a voice. The truthers are small minded, mean spirited people that are exploiting a national tragedy for the own ends. I don't blame the truthers here for their beliefs. I blame Alex Jones and people of his ilk for spreading these lies for their own financial benefit. You people are just the followers that cannot see what is being done to you. I know that I cannot save the true believers. I'm more concerned about those people on the borderline that may read some of this propaganda and believe it to be true. Someone needs to show them that most all of what you people are saying is just nonsense. That's why I, and others like me, come here to let them know that you are not peddling the truth.That plus the fact that I am personally offended by the intellectual dishonesty of the truther movement.
Closed AccountMar 26, 2007
"You've made some fairly convincing arguments. Too bad most of them have been shot down so now you have to resort to insulting his supporters and making arguments about his popularity"Really? Which of them has been shot down? All I've seen is people parroting each others comments and offering no real answers."Ron Paul said that one of the first things he would do as President is have a meeting with the members of Congress and develop a good relationship with them."So "Dr. No" is going to have a meeting and repair all of the bridges that he's burned in his Congressional career? Do you have no idea how Congress works? People who refuse to compromise shouldn't expect cooperation from their opposition and pretty much everyone in Congress is his opposition."Who are you interested in electing, exactly?"I have worked and voted for a conservative agenda for most of my life. I believe in smaller government but I do not believe that you have to gut the Federal government and render it powerless to achieve this goal.Furthermore, if you expect me to sit by quietly while people attack me you are in for a disappointment. I have been called names, threatened and ridiculed for having an opinion that does not fit the world view of the Ron Paul supporters. One person even said that I should be charged with treason and shot for not supporting him. How would you expect me to react? The last time I checked the freedom of speech was still in the constitution and it's not limited to just those that support Ron Paul.
manfadingMar 26, 2007
No you need not say more.......Your failure to understand the framework of the constitution and our founding fathers intent is blatantly evident. How can you or anyone else for that matter diss Dr. Paul while calling yourself American? You crave Federal involvement and Love Big Brother. You deserve the enslavement that you will soon get. Instead of shooting up Iraq we soon will be on our way to shooting up each other. Give me liberty or give me death! I am a true American. You people are exactly the piece of SH*T this country was founded to get away from.
aznwarlordMar 26, 2007
i wish ron paul would win in 2008 but the new world order will rig the elections like always...
iandeforMar 27, 2007
It's kind of sad how it's now a selling point that a candidate will abide by the Constitution.
jiminnyApr 10, 2007
"Voted NO on campaign finance reform banning soft-money contributions. (Feb 2002)""I don't understand what this bill was for and I doubt you do either, but ill give you the benefit of the doubt here.""Campaign Finance Reform" is an incumbent protection bill. It does nothing to reform camapign financing and does everything to protect the incumbent.Want TRUE campaign finance reform? Repeal the 17th amendment, and let state legislatures select the state's senators again. That removes most of the incentive for special interests to try and buy politicians with campaign contributions.
pledomobilMay 16, 2007
Dugg that. really cool!
eu4ikNov 13, 2007
let it not be said that no one cared...ronpaul2008.com