computerworld.com— Vista’s user interface suffers from more “friction” than its predecessor XP, a French analyst said Monday, and is actually a step back for Microsoft in its pursuit of Apple’s Mac OS X.
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While there are many who admire Gates' ingenuity, impact on how we live and his philanthropy, I doubt there are many who worship him. There simply isn't a personality cult around Bill Gates.Now, contrast this with Steve Jobs, a man who puts out a hypocritical statement condemning DRM - while simultaneously being the world's largest supplier of DRM'd content - resulting in fanfare and wild praise from Apple fans. Imagine if Bill Gates tried to pull the same s**t; he'd be slaughtered.
Microsoft has always been terrible when it comes to user interfaces. When I upgraded from IE6 to IE7 I was like, "WTF is this?"Here are just some of my gripes:- The backward button no longer has the history feature. Now it's all grouped under some arrow under the forward button. It's a really stupid and unintuitive idea.- The menu is now gone, and only appears when you click ALT. I'm fine with that since it's so rarely used. However it's just weird.- When going on secure pages, the secure lock no longer appear at the original bottom of the page. Now it shows up on top next to the address bar? WTF?- The search box can't even be hidden. I'd rather use my Google toolbar thank you very much.- The favorites menu is now even weirder. Every submenu requires an extra click.- Adding to favorites is even dumber. Now all subfolders expand out and I can't close any of them. I have hundreds of folders/subfolders. This makes the whole process ridiculously hard.- I can't open a new tab with the existing page. I can only do this with Ctrl-N and open a new window.
As usual, the only defense of the cumbersome Mac UI is "it looks nice".The Home and End keys are just one of the many affronts to common sense and usability mounted by the Mac UI. But you know what? We just went through all of this in the last couple of weeks with articles from ComputerWorld and other sources slamming OS X for things like this, and not being able to resize windows from their edges, and not being able to merge directories, and on and on.But Windows is indeed going backward. Vista is riddled with UI bugs, and Windows is becoming almost as cumbersome as the Mac.But where does Apple get off making fun of Vista's continual badgering for user approval to do things? The Mac OS pioneered this behavior, with badgering for a password to install things or change settings when YOU'RE ALREADY LOGGED IN AS ADMINISTRATOR.Everywhere you look, our every act is being buried in layer after layer of stupidity. So-called designers are either so ignorant or so desperate to do something, anything, that they're ruining the common-sense conventions that have worked well for years if not decades.And that's without the crime they call DRM...
schoate09:"I stoped paying attention at the word French."Do you know what I think when someone like you at the first opportunity whips out his big flag and starts bashing other countries? I think, now there's a guy who's really f**king insecure about the size of his dick. I mean, really, what else could possibly explain your insecurity? But hey, that's just what I think.
I'm not saying this guy is wrong, just that I'd like to know more about his methodology. Being a dedicated Mac user, I still find XP to be more fluent and offer less friction in its gui.
Instead of doing aggressive and phobic remarks on the nationality of researchers, you could take this research as an 'optimistic news' : the fact that people not working at Microsoft do give remarks on the new MS OS is a good thing for Microsoft. If someone give you feedback on your product, you can enhance it if you think the remark is accurate ...This is a useful to have external feedback for a product. When you work in a closed environment you are blind to a lot of things cause it is criticizing your own work and it is not easy to do.
Yea, I know, but since when do folder icons fade in Vista? I've been using it for a while now and have not noticed *any* folder icons do any sort of fading. Am I missing something here? (Yes, I'm running Aero and I checked the "Effects" dialog box.)
This is what I think about Vista...It just simply sucks balls. The UI is very unorganized (that actually messes with my work flow)Not only that, many of my peripherals barely work at all and the computer slows down because of vista. I used to be a very hard-core windows user, but now I am typing this comment on a macbook.Vista ruined my loyalty to Microsoft and I am now an Apple user.
kronix2Feb 27, 2007
While there are many who admire Gates' ingenuity, impact on how we live and his philanthropy, I doubt there are many who worship him. There simply isn't a personality cult around Bill Gates.Now, contrast this with Steve Jobs, a man who puts out a hypocritical statement condemning DRM - while simultaneously being the world's largest supplier of DRM'd content - resulting in fanfare and wild praise from Apple fans. Imagine if Bill Gates tried to pull the same s**t; he'd be slaughtered.
wikieasyFeb 27, 2007
Microsoft has always been terrible when it comes to user interfaces. When I upgraded from IE6 to IE7 I was like, "WTF is this?"Here are just some of my gripes:- The backward button no longer has the history feature. Now it's all grouped under some arrow under the forward button. It's a really stupid and unintuitive idea.- The menu is now gone, and only appears when you click ALT. I'm fine with that since it's so rarely used. However it's just weird.- When going on secure pages, the secure lock no longer appear at the original bottom of the page. Now it shows up on top next to the address bar? WTF?- The search box can't even be hidden. I'd rather use my Google toolbar thank you very much.- The favorites menu is now even weirder. Every submenu requires an extra click.- Adding to favorites is even dumber. Now all subfolders expand out and I can't close any of them. I have hundreds of folders/subfolders. This makes the whole process ridiculously hard.- I can't open a new tab with the existing page. I can only do this with Ctrl-N and open a new window.
Closed AccountFeb 27, 2007
As usual, the only defense of the cumbersome Mac UI is "it looks nice".The Home and End keys are just one of the many affronts to common sense and usability mounted by the Mac UI. But you know what? We just went through all of this in the last couple of weeks with articles from ComputerWorld and other sources slamming OS X for things like this, and not being able to resize windows from their edges, and not being able to merge directories, and on and on.But Windows is indeed going backward. Vista is riddled with UI bugs, and Windows is becoming almost as cumbersome as the Mac.But where does Apple get off making fun of Vista's continual badgering for user approval to do things? The Mac OS pioneered this behavior, with badgering for a password to install things or change settings when YOU'RE ALREADY LOGGED IN AS ADMINISTRATOR.Everywhere you look, our every act is being buried in layer after layer of stupidity. So-called designers are either so ignorant or so desperate to do something, anything, that they're ruining the common-sense conventions that have worked well for years if not decades.And that's without the crime they call DRM...
goodoldharrisFeb 27, 2007
schoate09:"I stoped paying attention at the word French."Do you know what I think when someone like you at the first opportunity whips out his big flag and starts bashing other countries? I think, now there's a guy who's really f**king insecure about the size of his dick. I mean, really, what else could possibly explain your insecurity? But hey, that's just what I think.
christiaFeb 27, 2007
I'm not saying this guy is wrong, just that I'd like to know more about his methodology. Being a dedicated Mac user, I still find XP to be more fluent and offer less friction in its gui.
eoxxFeb 27, 2007
Instead of doing aggressive and phobic remarks on the nationality of researchers, you could take this research as an 'optimistic news' : the fact that people not working at Microsoft do give remarks on the new MS OS is a good thing for Microsoft. If someone give you feedback on your product, you can enhance it if you think the remark is accurate ...This is a useful to have external feedback for a product. When you work in a closed environment you are blind to a lot of things cause it is criticizing your own work and it is not easy to do.
dacheetahFeb 27, 2007
You Americans have a history of asking the French (and others) what they think, and then ignoring them completely and going to war anyway.
adudeFeb 27, 2007
Yea, I know, but since when do folder icons fade in Vista? I've been using it for a while now and have not noticed *any* folder icons do any sort of fading. Am I missing something here? (Yes, I'm running Aero and I checked the "Effects" dialog box.)
unassumingMar 31, 2008
You're saying this, on Digg?Haha oh wow
mikeycomputerDec 12, 2008
This is what I think about Vista...It just simply sucks balls. The UI is very unorganized (that actually messes with my work flow)Not only that, many of my peripherals barely work at all and the computer slows down because of vista. I used to be a very hard-core windows user, but now I am typing this comment on a macbook.Vista ruined my loyalty to Microsoft and I am now an Apple user.