libertypost.org— Amazing. And sad."Vegan parents guilty in infant murder 6-week-old died of starvation after being fed diet of soy milk, apple juice"
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"One can not survive and thrive on a vegan diet without supplements. It is not natural. Humans are omnivorous and require animal protein. That is all there is to it."Obviously you know only what you've heard and nothing of any value. I've been a vegan for over 14-years, rarely suffer colds, (about one every 5-6 years), and when I do, they're of extremely short duration. I ride a bike 400 to 700 miles per month and have plenty of energy. I don't take supplements except for B12 and that's only because all of the natural B12 from microbes in the soil is scrubbed off of our produce these days. The human body is completely consistent with classification as a monogastric herbivore. Medical records also show that vegans are healthier than those who consume meat.Everyone has an opinion and everyone seems to feel they're opinion is correct even if they've never even opened a book on the subject or done a solid hour of real research. It's fine to have an opinion but when it's a completely uneducated and unsupportable opinion, you might save yourself some embarrassment by keeping it to yourself.
This story is about being vegan. It's mostly vegans who drink soy milk. Anyone who isn't mildly retarded knows that a newborns dietary needs are different than an adults or a small childs. Soy milk does not give enough nutrients to the newborn. Why do you think doctors never recommend it? Newborns need breastmilk, or if that is not possible, formula. Newborns need fat among other things. Juice has no fat and soy milk does not have enough. Everything they need is in breastmilk and formula. Sadly the parents were too retarded to know this.Vegan diets may be good for adults, but newborns are not adults. They need a lot of nutrients in small doses of food since they cant eat much. Those stupid vegan parents should not have forced their lifestyle on a helpless newborn. I hope they rot in jail and get raped repeatedly by big, meat-eating toughs.
Babies require no more protein than is found in human breast milk -- 5% calorically. The do require calcium and the high-protein you're suggesting is one of the best ways to assure a calcium deficiency. This isn't as simple as noting a deficiency and consuming more of what's missing. You need to understand the physiology and mechanisms at play and it's very clear that you don't. Many studies have been performed on the effect of protein on calcium balance; - Anad C., "Effect of Protein Intake on Calcium Balance of Young Men Given 500mg Calcium Daily," Journal of Nutrition - Hegsted, M., "Urinary Calcium and Calcium Balance in Young Men as Affected by Level of Protein and Phosphorus Intake," Journal of Nutrition - Walker, R., "Calcium Retention in the Adult Human Male as Affected by Protein Intake," Journal of Nutrition - Johnson, N., "Effect of Level of Protein Intake on Urinary and Fecal Calcium and Calcium Retention of Young Adult Males," Journal of Nutrition - Linkswiler, H., "Calcium Retention of Young Adult Males as Affected by Level of Protein and of Calcium Intake," Trans New York Academy of Science...to name just a few. Each of these studies has concluded the same thing. In each instance, a diet rich in protein, (such as the standard western diet), results in negative calcium balance, (calcium loss), even when calcium is supplemented with 500, 800 or even 1,400 milligrams of calcium daily. They have also each concluded that on a diet providing the necessary levels of protein but lesser quantities than are found in a standard meat-eating diet, test subjects displayed a positive calcium balance (calcium gain), regardless of the amount of daily calcium supplement provided, (again, 500, 800 and 1,400mg).So how much protein do we need? As infants we need more than we do as adults and infants receive more than what they require in the calories they consume in breast milk. Only 5% of those calories come from protein. Studies have shown that adults may need even less. The "American Journal of Clinical Nutrition" suggests a minimum of 2½% of total caloric intake, noting that many populations have lived in excellent health on that amount. The "World Health Organization" suggests 4½% of our calories should come from protein. "The Food and Nutrition Board" adds what they call a "30% buffer" and suggests 6½% of total caloric intake should come from protein and the "National Research Council" also includes a safety buffer in suggesting that we ingest 8% of our calories as protein. But NO ONE has ever shown any human being who could utilize more than 10% of their total caloric intake as protein. Even body-builders who commonly ingest 30-40% of their calories as protein simply end up excreting the extra protein in their urine and along with it, vital calcium which they need to support the skeletal structure.Again, I suggest you do some actual research. I did. I researched a vegan diet not because I thought it was superior, but because I wanted to prove it was inferior. But I kept running into the same problems in that I couldn't find credible evidence and studies to back what I was hoping to find. After a few months I put the books down with the intent of walking away. But curiosity kept calling me back and I eventually had to admit that the vegan diet is not only superior, but the proper natural diet for human beings. You certainly don't have to make any undesired changes to your diet. But to continue to speak from a position of pure ignorance is simply irresponsible on your part.
It's really nothing of the sort. In fact, if there is a tie of any kind between intelligence and a vegan/vegetarian diet, evidence suggests it is much to the contrary. Since we know that the consumption of high quantities of saturated fat and cholesterol common to an omnivorous human diet can lead to obstruction of the coronary arteries, central arteries of the penis and arteries in the brain, leading to myocardial infarction (heart attack), cerebrovascular accidents (strokes), and erectile dysfunction, it would be difficult to imagine that the same kind of diet wouldn't be responsible for the loss of function of much smaller segments of tissue in many parts of the body including the brain. If you continually lose function of tiny segments of brain matter throughout your life, the result will not be an elevated level of intelligence. So it makes sense from a mechanics perspective to conclude that vegan/vegetarian diets may actually help to protect against a loss of intellect. If you take that and pit it against some very notable names in history, it would appear to provide additional support for such conjecture. Consider the following who were all either vegan or vegetarian;Leonardo Da VinciSir Isaac NewtonAlbert EinsteinCharles DarwinDiogenesThomas EdisonRalph Waldo EmersonPlatoPlutarchPythagorusSocratesNikola TeslaTolstoyHenry David ThoreauGeorge Bernard ShawVoltaireHenry FordMahatma GhandiGiven an objective look at the evidence, it seems easily supportable that any tie between intelligence and a vegan/vegetarian diet is exactly the opposite of what you intended to imply.
80% of a persons energy comes from body fat. there is not enough fat in the diet, none will be stored and so the baby will have to rely on the small amount of sugar in the apple juice to SURVIVE! Protein is not the issue, because of the low energy levels, the baby will be metabolizing the protein as well, so the baby could not grow. Grow people. That is what babies do. Grow.
I'm not sure where you get your information but energy comes primarily from carbohydrates, not from fats. You are correct that protein is not the issue. At best, only a tiny portion of energy comes from protein. Studies aren't conclusive but all find the range to be between 0% and 10% of total energy. Fat can be broken down into ketones and those may be transported to the liver where a process known as glycogenesis can convert them to usable fuel for the cells. But this process is slow relative to fueling the cells with carbohydrates and is rather messy as well, releasing not just the energy but the toxins from the fat as well. Protein is essential for growth but since human breast milk is, in itself, sufficient nourishment for the first few months of life and contains only 5% protein, it should be obvious that a lack of protein was not the primary issue. The issue was a lack of calories which seems to have been planned to rid the parents of a child they didn't want.
first i would like to say that just because a couple parents who killed their baby were "vegans" dont lump all vegans together as ignorant. it seems to me they didnt know what the hell was going on. the baby was born in a bath tub and they never saw a doctor. they seem to be poor and not fit to be parents anyway. this has happened before with parents who arent vegetarian... so dont judge just because the media is throwing out all over the internet that they were vegan. also, breast milk is vegan. i dont know why that is hard to understand for some people. veganism is about consent... mothers want to feed their babys right? any mother and father should know that soy milk and juice is not the right stuff for a baby. i know couple who have raised healthy vegan babys and who have been raised that way them selves. and i agree with the people that are saying they they arent vegans, they are baby killers... this is coming from a vegan. (note how i didnt talk any s**t about meat eaters in this post, even though they have talked s**t to me and everything i stand for)
Prosecutors said it was a chilling case of murder by starvation, a painful and prolonged death.Starvation causes a painful and prolonged death and is considered a chilling murder?Apparently, not if you're an unhappily married and man having to take care of a vegetable wife. Then you can go ahead and deprive them of liquid too.My first thought too.
Nooot completely sure, as vegan is something you actualy chose to be, not what you are fed. Can I say my unborn child (I'm 9 month pregnant) is christian because I go to church every day... or even once he is born? To me, you are never something you don't chose to be (in exception of what can't be chosen, such as race, nationality, etc).
Two of the worlds 3 top ranked triathletes are vegans. The world-record holder for the bench press is a vegetarian. These diets can be very healthy if done properly. However, these parents were f**king morons.
And... so is teaching your kid that lying to them about where their food comes from.Children can eventually decide if they want to eat meat after knowing what process creates meat, what effects it has on the environment, their bodies, and global starvation (not to mention the GMO scandal of the corn fed to cows, whose digestive tracts were never meant to handle corn). I know people who are about 17-23 who were raised vegan, grew up, and ate meat outside the home once they were old enough to go out on their own. Not only are they healthy, most of them are vegan now, and not because they were "forced" to be. They made that choice, just like Christian children eventually "choose" to accept God. Feeding a toddler meat isn't healthy, as far as I am concerned. That's too harsh on such a young colon and body.
Closed AccountMay 4, 2007
They're not vegans -- they're just trying to beat a murder rap by scapegoating an easily-mocked group.
16777216May 4, 2007
Hello they make SOY baby formula! It's free from WIC. Veganism has nothing to do with this.
bshockMay 4, 2007
Bulls**t.
beasttMay 9, 2007
"One can not survive and thrive on a vegan diet without supplements. It is not natural. Humans are omnivorous and require animal protein. That is all there is to it."Obviously you know only what you've heard and nothing of any value. I've been a vegan for over 14-years, rarely suffer colds, (about one every 5-6 years), and when I do, they're of extremely short duration. I ride a bike 400 to 700 miles per month and have plenty of energy. I don't take supplements except for B12 and that's only because all of the natural B12 from microbes in the soil is scrubbed off of our produce these days. The human body is completely consistent with classification as a monogastric herbivore. Medical records also show that vegans are healthier than those who consume meat.Everyone has an opinion and everyone seems to feel they're opinion is correct even if they've never even opened a book on the subject or done a solid hour of real research. It's fine to have an opinion but when it's a completely uneducated and unsupportable opinion, you might save yourself some embarrassment by keeping it to yourself.
eday2010May 9, 2007
This story is about being vegan. It's mostly vegans who drink soy milk. Anyone who isn't mildly retarded knows that a newborns dietary needs are different than an adults or a small childs. Soy milk does not give enough nutrients to the newborn. Why do you think doctors never recommend it? Newborns need breastmilk, or if that is not possible, formula. Newborns need fat among other things. Juice has no fat and soy milk does not have enough. Everything they need is in breastmilk and formula. Sadly the parents were too retarded to know this.Vegan diets may be good for adults, but newborns are not adults. They need a lot of nutrients in small doses of food since they cant eat much. Those stupid vegan parents should not have forced their lifestyle on a helpless newborn. I hope they rot in jail and get raped repeatedly by big, meat-eating toughs.
beasttMay 10, 2007
Babies require no more protein than is found in human breast milk -- 5% calorically. The do require calcium and the high-protein you're suggesting is one of the best ways to assure a calcium deficiency. This isn't as simple as noting a deficiency and consuming more of what's missing. You need to understand the physiology and mechanisms at play and it's very clear that you don't. Many studies have been performed on the effect of protein on calcium balance; - Anad C., "Effect of Protein Intake on Calcium Balance of Young Men Given 500mg Calcium Daily," Journal of Nutrition - Hegsted, M., "Urinary Calcium and Calcium Balance in Young Men as Affected by Level of Protein and Phosphorus Intake," Journal of Nutrition - Walker, R., "Calcium Retention in the Adult Human Male as Affected by Protein Intake," Journal of Nutrition - Johnson, N., "Effect of Level of Protein Intake on Urinary and Fecal Calcium and Calcium Retention of Young Adult Males," Journal of Nutrition - Linkswiler, H., "Calcium Retention of Young Adult Males as Affected by Level of Protein and of Calcium Intake," Trans New York Academy of Science...to name just a few. Each of these studies has concluded the same thing. In each instance, a diet rich in protein, (such as the standard western diet), results in negative calcium balance, (calcium loss), even when calcium is supplemented with 500, 800 or even 1,400 milligrams of calcium daily. They have also each concluded that on a diet providing the necessary levels of protein but lesser quantities than are found in a standard meat-eating diet, test subjects displayed a positive calcium balance (calcium gain), regardless of the amount of daily calcium supplement provided, (again, 500, 800 and 1,400mg).So how much protein do we need? As infants we need more than we do as adults and infants receive more than what they require in the calories they consume in breast milk. Only 5% of those calories come from protein. Studies have shown that adults may need even less. The "American Journal of Clinical Nutrition" suggests a minimum of 2½% of total caloric intake, noting that many populations have lived in excellent health on that amount. The "World Health Organization" suggests 4½% of our calories should come from protein. "The Food and Nutrition Board" adds what they call a "30% buffer" and suggests 6½% of total caloric intake should come from protein and the "National Research Council" also includes a safety buffer in suggesting that we ingest 8% of our calories as protein. But NO ONE has ever shown any human being who could utilize more than 10% of their total caloric intake as protein. Even body-builders who commonly ingest 30-40% of their calories as protein simply end up excreting the extra protein in their urine and along with it, vital calcium which they need to support the skeletal structure.Again, I suggest you do some actual research. I did. I researched a vegan diet not because I thought it was superior, but because I wanted to prove it was inferior. But I kept running into the same problems in that I couldn't find credible evidence and studies to back what I was hoping to find. After a few months I put the books down with the intent of walking away. But curiosity kept calling me back and I eventually had to admit that the vegan diet is not only superior, but the proper natural diet for human beings. You certainly don't have to make any undesired changes to your diet. But to continue to speak from a position of pure ignorance is simply irresponsible on your part.
sallyjimsMay 10, 2007
This situation tears me up. I have many friends who are strict vegans but I also think - there's got to be some point when you have to say, hey, this clearly isn't working. I'm in another discussion on it over here: <a class="user" href="http://www.sodahead.com/poll/2503/?link=vegan">http://www.sodahead.com/poll/2503/?link=vegan</a> Surprisingly, the majority are voting that they deserve their sentences. Sigh. I dunno.
beasttMay 12, 2007
It's really nothing of the sort. In fact, if there is a tie of any kind between intelligence and a vegan/vegetarian diet, evidence suggests it is much to the contrary. Since we know that the consumption of high quantities of saturated fat and cholesterol common to an omnivorous human diet can lead to obstruction of the coronary arteries, central arteries of the penis and arteries in the brain, leading to myocardial infarction (heart attack), cerebrovascular accidents (strokes), and erectile dysfunction, it would be difficult to imagine that the same kind of diet wouldn't be responsible for the loss of function of much smaller segments of tissue in many parts of the body including the brain. If you continually lose function of tiny segments of brain matter throughout your life, the result will not be an elevated level of intelligence. So it makes sense from a mechanics perspective to conclude that vegan/vegetarian diets may actually help to protect against a loss of intellect. If you take that and pit it against some very notable names in history, it would appear to provide additional support for such conjecture. Consider the following who were all either vegan or vegetarian;Leonardo Da VinciSir Isaac NewtonAlbert EinsteinCharles DarwinDiogenesThomas EdisonRalph Waldo EmersonPlatoPlutarchPythagorusSocratesNikola TeslaTolstoyHenry David ThoreauGeorge Bernard ShawVoltaireHenry FordMahatma GhandiGiven an objective look at the evidence, it seems easily supportable that any tie between intelligence and a vegan/vegetarian diet is exactly the opposite of what you intended to imply.
spamalot69May 17, 2007
80% of a persons energy comes from body fat. there is not enough fat in the diet, none will be stored and so the baby will have to rely on the small amount of sugar in the apple juice to SURVIVE! Protein is not the issue, because of the low energy levels, the baby will be metabolizing the protein as well, so the baby could not grow. Grow people. That is what babies do. Grow.
beasttMay 23, 2007
I'm not sure where you get your information but energy comes primarily from carbohydrates, not from fats. You are correct that protein is not the issue. At best, only a tiny portion of energy comes from protein. Studies aren't conclusive but all find the range to be between 0% and 10% of total energy. Fat can be broken down into ketones and those may be transported to the liver where a process known as glycogenesis can convert them to usable fuel for the cells. But this process is slow relative to fueling the cells with carbohydrates and is rather messy as well, releasing not just the energy but the toxins from the fat as well. Protein is essential for growth but since human breast milk is, in itself, sufficient nourishment for the first few months of life and contains only 5% protein, it should be obvious that a lack of protein was not the primary issue. The issue was a lack of calories which seems to have been planned to rid the parents of a child they didn't want.
jaykobJul 10, 2007
first i would like to say that just because a couple parents who killed their baby were "vegans" dont lump all vegans together as ignorant. it seems to me they didnt know what the hell was going on. the baby was born in a bath tub and they never saw a doctor. they seem to be poor and not fit to be parents anyway. this has happened before with parents who arent vegetarian... so dont judge just because the media is throwing out all over the internet that they were vegan. also, breast milk is vegan. i dont know why that is hard to understand for some people. veganism is about consent... mothers want to feed their babys right? any mother and father should know that soy milk and juice is not the right stuff for a baby. i know couple who have raised healthy vegan babys and who have been raised that way them selves. and i agree with the people that are saying they they arent vegans, they are baby killers... this is coming from a vegan. (note how i didnt talk any s**t about meat eaters in this post, even though they have talked s**t to me and everything i stand for)
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zomarJun 7, 2008
Breast milk is acceptable because the mother consents to giving the child milk, whereas a cow is forced into pregnancy and milking.
5000tJan 3, 2009
Prosecutors said it was a chilling case of murder by starvation, a painful and prolonged death.Starvation causes a painful and prolonged death and is considered a chilling murder?Apparently, not if you're an unhappily married and man having to take care of a vegetable wife. Then you can go ahead and deprive them of liquid too.My first thought too.
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Nooot completely sure, as vegan is something you actualy chose to be, not what you are fed. Can I say my unborn child (I'm 9 month pregnant) is christian because I go to church every day... or even once he is born? To me, you are never something you don't chose to be (in exception of what can't be chosen, such as race, nationality, etc).
Closed AccountNov 11, 2009
Two of the worlds 3 top ranked triathletes are vegans. The world-record holder for the bench press is a vegetarian. These diets can be very healthy if done properly. However, these parents were f**king morons.
vegangelicalApr 2, 2010
That's a very big "if."
vegangelicalApr 4, 2010
And... so is teaching your kid that lying to them about where their food comes from.Children can eventually decide if they want to eat meat after knowing what process creates meat, what effects it has on the environment, their bodies, and global starvation (not to mention the GMO scandal of the corn fed to cows, whose digestive tracts were never meant to handle corn). I know people who are about 17-23 who were raised vegan, grew up, and ate meat outside the home once they were old enough to go out on their own. Not only are they healthy, most of them are vegan now, and not because they were "forced" to be. They made that choice, just like Christian children eventually "choose" to accept God. Feeding a toddler meat isn't healthy, as far as I am concerned. That's too harsh on such a young colon and body.
roobie87Dec 7, 2010
that is terrible!
timmiepieJun 7, 2011
yeah... in fact many poeple don't know how to healthily be a vegan... They certainly needed to consult someone before doing that to their baby!
timmiepieJun 7, 2011
Even an adult could have health problems after switching vegan, not mentioning that is merely a 6 week old baby we are talking about here... =(
I searched up some articles about being vegans and learned that there are many things to be careful on when being a vegan:
http://www.fourgreensteps.com/community/blogs/ask-a-vegan/ask-a-vegan-what-am-i-doing-wrong
I think the website has other articles guiding people to a safe and healthy vegan lifestyle. Look if interested..
timmiepieJun 7, 2011
Even an adult could have health problems after switching vegan, not mentioning that is merely a 6 week old baby we are talking about here... =(
I searched up some articles about being vegans and learned that there are many things to be careful on when being a vegan:
http://www.fourgreensteps.com/community/blogs/ask-a-vegan/ask-a-vegan-what-am-i-doing-wrong
I think the website has other articles guiding people to a safe and healthy vegan lifestyle. Look if interested..
nurse3766Feb 12, 2012
these ppl were just negligent veganiam has nothing to do with it
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