momversation.com — Some top mom bloggers discuss the vaccine/autism issue. One issue they point out is that before the vaccines, countless children died. And, there's no hard proof of the link between vaccines and autism, either. So what's the answer?
Apr 6, 2009 View in Crawl 4
manyasoneApr 7, 2009
Would you say that if someone wants their child to be vaccinate against tetanus, what they're really saying is that they want their child to go stepping barefoot on rusty nails? Wanting your child to be safe IF they have sex (or god forbid, are raped) is entirely different from wanting them TO have sex.
fyregoddessApr 7, 2009
Those are 10 and 20 year follow-ups. There are very few cases of people in their teens and twenties who contract shingles. Until the studies show that in 50 years the incidents of shingles has been significantly lessened, they have no bearing on this issue.Further, 15-20% of children who receive the chicken pox vaccination still contract chicken pox. These children are at the same risk for shingles later in life as those not vaccinated, but again, because of the lack of the shingles immune boost from being re-exposed to the virus as an adult, those for whom the vaccination is not effective could very well be at a higher risk.I looked through the results that you provided and they are only concerned with whether or not vaccinated children contract the virus and, of those who do, whether it is a mild, moderate or severe case.With an average life expectancy of 78 years in the US, I don't think that it's reasonable to consider 10 or even 20 years to be "long-term".
boneheadfarkerApr 7, 2009
@FyreGoddess Again you show your ignorance by stating that vaccines somehow kill viruses. We are not attempting to achieve sterility. The people who abuse antibiotics are trying to achieve sterility and making life difficult for everyone else in the process. Vaccines give our bodies a chance to fight non-viable versions of a virus so that we build antibodies. In effect, it's throwing easy targets at our immune systems so that it becomes easier to fight the live virus when it comes. It's the exact opposite of what you're trying to make it out to be.On top of this, shingles is NOT caused by children getting the vaccine. Everyone who has had chicken pox is at risk of developing shingles, and it generally only affects people with weakened immune systems...in other words, people over 50, people under stress for whatever reason, or people on immunosuppresents. The vaccine has absolutely nothing to do with your risk of developing shingles. Correlation does not equal causation...
casbarApr 7, 2009
Agreed on all points, geodebug. Now let's just let this thread archive into oblivion.
stormwernApr 10, 2009
Baby teeth also come at 6 months, so they must be causing autism too!