thinkprogress.org— Lynne Cheney repeatedly attacked CNN for having a liberal bias during a fiery appearance today on the Situation Room.
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The person in charge of Fox News is a former Republican political consultant. I don't think you can get any closer to a politically engineered network than that. CNN is just holding down the centrist old guard, back when news was meant to be objective. Anything is "left" when compared with Fox News. If we ever have a former Democratic political strategist running a news network, I'll shut up. For Pete's sake, Tony Snow went straight from the network to being Bush's press secretary. How much cozier with one side of the political spectrum can you get?
Of course I am aware that Turner is no longer with CNN, but you were talking about the beginnings of these companies and made the claim that CNN was not begun with a leftist slant. And I am here to tell you that, most definitely, without a doubt, without argument, absolutely, that it was. Also, my mentioning of the fact that Klein got his start at CBS was only a reference to when I first met him. It was not a claim that "since he worked at CBS, he must be liberal."Klein, however, knows how to play the game. He is driven by money, and has been chastised by some media players -- and indeed, internally by his own company, CNN, at times -- for hiring conservative voices. This is simply because he knows that going too far left will result in a failed network. So he plays the game, and plays it well. Hire some token conservatives, such as Glenn Beck, to "balance" the line-up -- while still keeping the main stance of the network decidedly leftist. There are a lot of chess-game moves that go on behind the scenes with these companies, and Klein is an accomplished player.You seem to never give up, and props for trying mightily to make a false point -- but as I said, I was there during its gestation period, and I also know what it currently looks like from the inside. And from my vantage point, trying to make the argument that CNN was not begun with a leftist slant is patently laughable -- I know it was not. And trying to make the argument that simply because Turner is gone now, things must have changed, is equally laughable. You simply do not know the internal workings. And I must say, you are also even ignoring most of the external signs that anyone with an objective eye can see. As I said in my original post, CNN is definitely biased to the left, as Fox is biased to the right. That is decidedly NOT news.
Its truly amazing how evil some of the liberal people are on this topic. They call her names and criticize her for expressing her opinion. I mean, arent liberals suppossed to be the party of acceptence and of total freedom of speech? Now its more like, we will accept what we like, and allow speech that we agree with. Its sickening. She made some cogent points in this interview.
Oh man. I just have to laugh at the "far-right bent" accusation. Anyone who knows me would get a good chuckle out of that one.I am, if anything, independent, and find myself siding with libertarian views most often -- but Lew Rockwell annoys me. Political compass sites peg me as a paleo-libertarian, although I am not certain whether I fully go along with that categorization. The far right does not interest me in the LEAST -- I find them just as irritating as the far left. The neo-conservatives also annoy me and have me pining for the days of true conservatives (smaller government, less spending, less federal control over our lives). The Democrats annoy me because they have also gone far afield of their roots, and have me pining for the days of JFK Democrats.As for Glenn Beck -- like it or not, he IS one of the few conservatives on CNN. Most are died-in-the-wool Democrats. If you do not wish to believe me, fine, but I've known the people and the culture from inside organizations such as CNN for many years, and I am familiar with their political stances. And I can tell you that if you (a) think that a person such as Glenn Beck is the norm rather than the exception at this network, then you are talking nonsense, and (b) if you think that I represent the far right, then you are talking more nonsense.In addition, I never said that I view CNN as "liberal." You used that word; I did not. I said that CNN has a leftist bias, and Fox has a rightist bias. That statement is neutral.As for "avoiding derogatory terms," one man's "derogatory term" -- such as the word "terrorist" -- is another man's truth. I made no statement in favor or against its use. I said only that *whatever* is decided -- whether to use a word or not, whether the style book says one thing or the opposite -- the decision is, unavoidably by its nature, a reflection of a bias of some type. Whatever that decision may be. A bias, in some form, is inextricably at its core.I don't want far right news, I don't want far left news, I want as little bias of any kind in any news that I read or hear. It is never something you can get fully away from, but still, that is the ideal. If I wanted a quick retort, I could turn around and say that the fact that you seem to think that CNN operates in a completely objective manner, actually shows your leftist bias. Maybe even a "far left" bias? But that would be trying to categorize and paint you with a broad brush, just as you pegged me as "far right" when I can assure you that that is not me.In the end, we may be looking for the same thing: unbiased news. My fear is that many nowadays think they find it when they find a news outlet that gives them views that coincide with their own. This saddens me, as I think American media can do much better than the likes of the CNNs and Foxes that are so prevalent these days.
"Tolerant and the enlightened" is just another name for people afraid to stand up for moral behavior. It doesn't make you a redneck or any other of the hateful, negative terms you use to bash people who disagree with you. If you want to correct someone for not being tolerant why do you bash religion in your comment? Why do you think everyone should embrace your choices? Hypocrite much? A sexually deviant lifestyle is wrong whether it's homosexuality or pedophilia. Sure you don't like to hear that because you don't want to be corrected. The only form of enlightenment you want is one that makes anything you do acceptable. I'm a liberal and I don't support homosexuality. So you'll have to come up with a new hate speech.
Murderers and criminals who terrorize free nations aren't your enemy and snuff films have social value.That certainly says a good deal about your character and mindset if you think giving criminals a 'fair shake' is the right thing to do.I personally hope you choke on the political poisoning that is blinding you.The planet could use fewer people like you.
omaryakOct 28, 2006
The person in charge of Fox News is a former Republican political consultant. I don't think you can get any closer to a politically engineered network than that. CNN is just holding down the centrist old guard, back when news was meant to be objective. Anything is "left" when compared with Fox News. If we ever have a former Democratic political strategist running a news network, I'll shut up. For Pete's sake, Tony Snow went straight from the network to being Bush's press secretary. How much cozier with one side of the political spectrum can you get?
waveyOct 28, 2006
Of course I am aware that Turner is no longer with CNN, but you were talking about the beginnings of these companies and made the claim that CNN was not begun with a leftist slant. And I am here to tell you that, most definitely, without a doubt, without argument, absolutely, that it was. Also, my mentioning of the fact that Klein got his start at CBS was only a reference to when I first met him. It was not a claim that "since he worked at CBS, he must be liberal."Klein, however, knows how to play the game. He is driven by money, and has been chastised by some media players -- and indeed, internally by his own company, CNN, at times -- for hiring conservative voices. This is simply because he knows that going too far left will result in a failed network. So he plays the game, and plays it well. Hire some token conservatives, such as Glenn Beck, to "balance" the line-up -- while still keeping the main stance of the network decidedly leftist. There are a lot of chess-game moves that go on behind the scenes with these companies, and Klein is an accomplished player.You seem to never give up, and props for trying mightily to make a false point -- but as I said, I was there during its gestation period, and I also know what it currently looks like from the inside. And from my vantage point, trying to make the argument that CNN was not begun with a leftist slant is patently laughable -- I know it was not. And trying to make the argument that simply because Turner is gone now, things must have changed, is equally laughable. You simply do not know the internal workings. And I must say, you are also even ignoring most of the external signs that anyone with an objective eye can see. As I said in my original post, CNN is definitely biased to the left, as Fox is biased to the right. That is decidedly NOT news.
muyosoOct 29, 2006
Its truly amazing how evil some of the liberal people are on this topic. They call her names and criticize her for expressing her opinion. I mean, arent liberals suppossed to be the party of acceptence and of total freedom of speech? Now its more like, we will accept what we like, and allow speech that we agree with. Its sickening. She made some cogent points in this interview.
waveyOct 29, 2006
Oh man. I just have to laugh at the "far-right bent" accusation. Anyone who knows me would get a good chuckle out of that one.I am, if anything, independent, and find myself siding with libertarian views most often -- but Lew Rockwell annoys me. Political compass sites peg me as a paleo-libertarian, although I am not certain whether I fully go along with that categorization. The far right does not interest me in the LEAST -- I find them just as irritating as the far left. The neo-conservatives also annoy me and have me pining for the days of true conservatives (smaller government, less spending, less federal control over our lives). The Democrats annoy me because they have also gone far afield of their roots, and have me pining for the days of JFK Democrats.As for Glenn Beck -- like it or not, he IS one of the few conservatives on CNN. Most are died-in-the-wool Democrats. If you do not wish to believe me, fine, but I've known the people and the culture from inside organizations such as CNN for many years, and I am familiar with their political stances. And I can tell you that if you (a) think that a person such as Glenn Beck is the norm rather than the exception at this network, then you are talking nonsense, and (b) if you think that I represent the far right, then you are talking more nonsense.In addition, I never said that I view CNN as "liberal." You used that word; I did not. I said that CNN has a leftist bias, and Fox has a rightist bias. That statement is neutral.As for "avoiding derogatory terms," one man's "derogatory term" -- such as the word "terrorist" -- is another man's truth. I made no statement in favor or against its use. I said only that *whatever* is decided -- whether to use a word or not, whether the style book says one thing or the opposite -- the decision is, unavoidably by its nature, a reflection of a bias of some type. Whatever that decision may be. A bias, in some form, is inextricably at its core.I don't want far right news, I don't want far left news, I want as little bias of any kind in any news that I read or hear. It is never something you can get fully away from, but still, that is the ideal. If I wanted a quick retort, I could turn around and say that the fact that you seem to think that CNN operates in a completely objective manner, actually shows your leftist bias. Maybe even a "far left" bias? But that would be trying to categorize and paint you with a broad brush, just as you pegged me as "far right" when I can assure you that that is not me.In the end, we may be looking for the same thing: unbiased news. My fear is that many nowadays think they find it when they find a news outlet that gives them views that coincide with their own. This saddens me, as I think American media can do much better than the likes of the CNNs and Foxes that are so prevalent these days.
e3boyOct 29, 2006
sure .01%, but really:"just 20% of the people owned a remarkable 84%, leaving only 16% of the wealth for the bottom 80%"source:<a class="user" href="http://sociology.ucsc.edu/whorulesamerica/power/wealth.html">http://sociology.ucsc.edu/whorulesamerica/power/wealth.html</a>sobering thought!
siszamOct 29, 2006
"Tolerant and the enlightened" is just another name for people afraid to stand up for moral behavior. It doesn't make you a redneck or any other of the hateful, negative terms you use to bash people who disagree with you. If you want to correct someone for not being tolerant why do you bash religion in your comment? Why do you think everyone should embrace your choices? Hypocrite much? A sexually deviant lifestyle is wrong whether it's homosexuality or pedophilia. Sure you don't like to hear that because you don't want to be corrected. The only form of enlightenment you want is one that makes anything you do acceptable. I'm a liberal and I don't support homosexuality. So you'll have to come up with a new hate speech.
koosebaneOct 30, 2006
Murderers and criminals who terrorize free nations aren't your enemy and snuff films have social value.That certainly says a good deal about your character and mindset if you think giving criminals a 'fair shake' is the right thing to do.I personally hope you choke on the political poisoning that is blinding you.The planet could use fewer people like you.