usatoday.com— What more do people need to hear or to see or to read to convince them Diebold voting machines simply can't be trusted
Sep 29, 2006View in Crawl 4
Nice callback to the Dahmer bit:"Seriously, what more would these machines have to do to prove they're dangerous, whistle Dixie while they miscount our votes?"
"Anyone referencing the 2000 Presidential election needs to sit down and face the corner.- Diebold machines had nothing to do with that particular occurrance - Dade county was using s**tty paper ballots."No s**te, Sherlock. We happened to be arguing about ABSENTEE BALLOTS at the time, not the Diebold machines, and absentee ballots did indeed play a role in the Florida 2000 outcome.
From a programmer's standpoint, I think it's completely ridiculous that they cant make a simple program to tally votes. All the machines need to do is connect to a database, add an entry for a vote, and disable someone's account so they can't vote again. I could write a simple program like this in less than 1/2 an hour. The only thing that would take long is making sure the user interface is easy for people to understand. But as far as the counting, it should not have any errors.
How disgraceful. Real great editors they have over there at USA Today. Wouldn't it be awesome to open up a newspaper and see a glaring spelling error in huge bold print on the front page? Cause that's where we seem to be heading these days...
The votes that really matter are the votes that congress casts. So pick up your phone and call your congressman once a day. Tell your friends to do the same. Go to your congressman's events and raise a rukus. Lobby them at their offices. Visit them in Washington if you can. Pressure on the congressmen does work and they are the _only_ ones who can rein in the president. Fifty dedicated people following this strategy can make any congressman reconsider an opinion. Five hundred can make him change it. Five thousand can make him become a vocal advocate for that position. No matter what party your congressman was in when he was elected, once his butt is in your chair he belongs to you and you have a right to contact him (daily if desired) regarding your views of his behavior.Somehow that is not illegal yet.
One more thingSTATE LEGISLATURES CAN VOTE FOR IMPEACHMENTThat's in the constitution. So you can focus a great deal of pressure on your state congressmen (who will be startled that you know they exist) and you can make them drag Bush right into impeachment hearings. States have all kinds of interesting rights actually.
gwjcSep 29, 2006
Nice callback to the Dahmer bit:"Seriously, what more would these machines have to do to prove they're dangerous, whistle Dixie while they miscount our votes?"
nalf38Sep 29, 2006
"Anyone referencing the 2000 Presidential election needs to sit down and face the corner.- Diebold machines had nothing to do with that particular occurrance - Dade county was using s**tty paper ballots."No s**te, Sherlock. We happened to be arguing about ABSENTEE BALLOTS at the time, not the Diebold machines, and absentee ballots did indeed play a role in the Florida 2000 outcome.
compwhiz2010Sep 29, 2006
From a programmer's standpoint, I think it's completely ridiculous that they cant make a simple program to tally votes. All the machines need to do is connect to a database, add an entry for a vote, and disable someone's account so they can't vote again. I could write a simple program like this in less than 1/2 an hour. The only thing that would take long is making sure the user interface is easy for people to understand. But as far as the counting, it should not have any errors.
Closed AccountSep 29, 2006
How disgraceful. Real great editors they have over there at USA Today. Wouldn't it be awesome to open up a newspaper and see a glaring spelling error in huge bold print on the front page? Cause that's where we seem to be heading these days...
nfultonSep 30, 2006
The votes that really matter are the votes that congress casts. So pick up your phone and call your congressman once a day. Tell your friends to do the same. Go to your congressman's events and raise a rukus. Lobby them at their offices. Visit them in Washington if you can. Pressure on the congressmen does work and they are the _only_ ones who can rein in the president. Fifty dedicated people following this strategy can make any congressman reconsider an opinion. Five hundred can make him change it. Five thousand can make him become a vocal advocate for that position. No matter what party your congressman was in when he was elected, once his butt is in your chair he belongs to you and you have a right to contact him (daily if desired) regarding your views of his behavior.Somehow that is not illegal yet.
nfultonSep 30, 2006
One more thingSTATE LEGISLATURES CAN VOTE FOR IMPEACHMENTThat's in the constitution. So you can focus a great deal of pressure on your state congressmen (who will be startled that you know they exist) and you can make them drag Bush right into impeachment hearings. States have all kinds of interesting rights actually.
Closed AccountSep 30, 2006
crilen007"And as far as I can tell, the machines were programmed to be this way, they aren't really vulnerable, that's their design."I'm going to assume the best case scenario and guess that you just haven't seen the videos released that detail how simple it is to compromise a voting machine. Let's fix that. <a class="user" href="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6590793631232799613">http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6590793631232799613</a><a class="user" href="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5173816754727816515">http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5173816754727816515</a>Then again, maybe you want more technical details, that's fine, go here and check out the whitepaper:<a class="user" href="http://itpolicy.princeton.edu/voting/">http://itpolicy.princeton.edu/voting/</a>Since people seem to itch for a right/left fight around here, I'm going to just ignore any reply that references right or left. This is a neutral issue that concerns us all.
nfultonSep 30, 2006
Absentee ballots are counted . . . where do you read otherwise?
grizwaldSep 30, 2006
lmao @ nalf ... you are a silly silly man
chownrusOct 5, 2006
The problem is that it is just as easy to create a program that mis-counts the votes.