castlecops.com— Now, that Blue Security has given up, it request its users to uninstall Blue Frog immediately because spammers try to get access to that program.
May 17, 2006View in Crawl 4
I did the very same thing, EGOvoruhk.I thought this was something to do with that annoying Crazy Frog when I read the title!I vaguely remember hearing about this on one of my podcasts, and it seemed like a really good idea.It's a shame that it's backfired so dramatically, because it would have been the beginning of the end of the spammers (if that's even possible).From the wiki article: 'PharmaMaster [was] quoted [...] writing: "Blue [Security] found the right solution to stop spam, and I can't let this continue"'Priceless..
Yeah, but I think the goverment of whatever Durkastan country they are operating from doesn't really give a s**t about spammers. If they are originating from Mother Russia or China, some government agency is making bank just by looking the other way.Hopefully, the Okopipi and/or Black Frog projects will snowball into the greatest cyberspace innovation ever. Good luck guys!If I could program something other than an Apple IIe or C64, I would join the fight.
While it's accurate to say that Bluefrog gave up - or gave in, I think that in the long run this will end up being a good thing.I must confess after reading the media coverage and their press releases, I have a fair deal of respect for Bluefrog. Especially since they threw in the towel when they realised that their original business model actually amounted to volunteering their corporate entity as a tool of [information] warfare, without the actual backing of any legislated body anywhere.The demise of Bluefrog sets the stage for something far greater: the moment when governments around the world realise that, given how much both academia and economies rely on the internet to function [read: near- if not outright critical infrastructure], some real agreement with real teeth will have to be come to at some point over spam's 100% waste of bandwidth, and the threat that spammers [who almost universally have no business ethics whatsoever] pose to the information infrastructure so many depend on. DDOS's on the scale enacted by PharmaMaster is something that no business or government can afford to tolerate. If they can do it to blogging sites and corporations, they can do it to just about anyone they want.While questions about enforceability still stand, I think it's pretty much a given that at this point, governments and lawmakers worldwide will have no choice but to start taking the threat imposed by [some, if not all] spammers more seriously. Someone, somewhere will bring forth legislation that might even be effective.This is just the start of the war.
Wow Blue frog giving up is a real surprise, perhaps will resurface at another time. The secret to prevent a DoS attack is to use an ISP that can handle it. I worked for one of the largest Tier 1 ISPs for 10 years, and was responsible for Internet Security, Products and Services. If the ISP cannot be brought down by a DoS or a DDOS (having bandwidth on demand e.g. unlimited), then they are perfect for supporting a customer immediately if they have a DoS attack. This is done by identifying traffic patterns by monitoring and other profiling also, it is a federal law violation in the US and equally so in the UK and Europe giving it the same resources as a ter**orist attack.
I agree, you jsut need to find an ISP that can hadle it. My ISP has gone down twice because of attacks on my site, however they learned something from it, and used it to make the server stronger. The fact that their ISP actually dropped them would not make me want to go and use their servers. My spam email dropped from 200-300 spams a day to about 15 spams a day. The service did work, and it worked well. I am saddened to see it go. It is a shame that they gave up. It would have been better for all of us if they had stayed up and running, and allowed us to take the risk on whether or not to stay on with them. I and I am sure many others would have stayed.I did try to contact them, to show them my support. I had the idea that they should contact webmail services and ask for them to do a partial host. Really it helps the web mail companies, so I can't see why they wouldn't share the burden.Whomever gets something going, please come to rpg-exploiters and share the news with us. We all look forward to seeing a new similar service popup in their place.And if the makers of Blue Frog are reading this, please come back and allow us to decide if we want to opt out. I foro one, would opt in.
Hi,I am still trying to understand Blue Frog. One day good and now BAD!!! get rid of it!So I did because I have been reading up on it and it is all negative. One thing though, last couple of weeks I have been getting Spam because I did not ask for it. And I have Bounce bully. So I can see where it came from. Can not say because they used a proxy and can't track to see where the hell it came from. Oh ya been getting a lot of returned e-mail's say the address was no good. Funny thing is I never sent any e-mail to those address. Like I said new to this so please be gentle.
sjethaMay 18, 2006
I did the very same thing, EGOvoruhk.I thought this was something to do with that annoying Crazy Frog when I read the title!I vaguely remember hearing about this on one of my podcasts, and it seemed like a really good idea.It's a shame that it's backfired so dramatically, because it would have been the beginning of the end of the spammers (if that's even possible).From the wiki article: 'PharmaMaster [was] quoted [...] writing: "Blue [Security] found the right solution to stop spam, and I can't let this continue"'Priceless..
roguescoutMay 18, 2006
Yeah, but I think the goverment of whatever Durkastan country they are operating from doesn't really give a s**t about spammers. If they are originating from Mother Russia or China, some government agency is making bank just by looking the other way.Hopefully, the Okopipi and/or Black Frog projects will snowball into the greatest cyberspace innovation ever. Good luck guys!If I could program something other than an Apple IIe or C64, I would join the fight.
thedevilsdueMay 18, 2006
<a class="user" href="http://www.thecarpcstore.com/phpbb2/viewforum.php?f=1">http://www.thecarpcstore.com/phpbb2/viewforum.php?f=1</a>for anyone who hasn't already been there.
Closed AccountMay 18, 2006
I think this will give you an idea<a class="user" href="http://www.pallab.net/2006/05/05/the-war-over-spam/">http://www.pallab.net/2006/05/05/the-war-over-spam/</a>
dexotakuMay 18, 2006
While it's accurate to say that Bluefrog gave up - or gave in, I think that in the long run this will end up being a good thing.I must confess after reading the media coverage and their press releases, I have a fair deal of respect for Bluefrog. Especially since they threw in the towel when they realised that their original business model actually amounted to volunteering their corporate entity as a tool of [information] warfare, without the actual backing of any legislated body anywhere.The demise of Bluefrog sets the stage for something far greater: the moment when governments around the world realise that, given how much both academia and economies rely on the internet to function [read: near- if not outright critical infrastructure], some real agreement with real teeth will have to be come to at some point over spam's 100% waste of bandwidth, and the threat that spammers [who almost universally have no business ethics whatsoever] pose to the information infrastructure so many depend on. DDOS's on the scale enacted by PharmaMaster is something that no business or government can afford to tolerate. If they can do it to blogging sites and corporations, they can do it to just about anyone they want.While questions about enforceability still stand, I think it's pretty much a given that at this point, governments and lawmakers worldwide will have no choice but to start taking the threat imposed by [some, if not all] spammers more seriously. Someone, somewhere will bring forth legislation that might even be effective.This is just the start of the war.
mrinternetMay 19, 2006
Wow Blue frog giving up is a real surprise, perhaps will resurface at another time. The secret to prevent a DoS attack is to use an ISP that can handle it. I worked for one of the largest Tier 1 ISPs for 10 years, and was responsible for Internet Security, Products and Services. If the ISP cannot be brought down by a DoS or a DDOS (having bandwidth on demand e.g. unlimited), then they are perfect for supporting a customer immediately if they have a DoS attack. This is done by identifying traffic patterns by monitoring and other profiling also, it is a federal law violation in the US and equally so in the UK and Europe giving it the same resources as a ter**orist attack.
spittMay 20, 2006
I agree, you jsut need to find an ISP that can hadle it. My ISP has gone down twice because of attacks on my site, however they learned something from it, and used it to make the server stronger. The fact that their ISP actually dropped them would not make me want to go and use their servers. My spam email dropped from 200-300 spams a day to about 15 spams a day. The service did work, and it worked well. I am saddened to see it go. It is a shame that they gave up. It would have been better for all of us if they had stayed up and running, and allowed us to take the risk on whether or not to stay on with them. I and I am sure many others would have stayed.I did try to contact them, to show them my support. I had the idea that they should contact webmail services and ask for them to do a partial host. Really it helps the web mail companies, so I can't see why they wouldn't share the burden.Whomever gets something going, please come to rpg-exploiters and share the news with us. We all look forward to seeing a new similar service popup in their place.And if the makers of Blue Frog are reading this, please come back and allow us to decide if we want to opt out. I foro one, would opt in.
daibheidMay 22, 2006
Hi,I am still trying to understand Blue Frog. One day good and now BAD!!! get rid of it!So I did because I have been reading up on it and it is all negative. One thing though, last couple of weeks I have been getting Spam because I did not ask for it. And I have Bounce bully. So I can see where it came from. Can not say because they used a proxy and can't track to see where the hell it came from. Oh ya been getting a lot of returned e-mail's say the address was no good. Funny thing is I never sent any e-mail to those address. Like I said new to this so please be gentle.