John, I believe I simply stated the facts. I didn't write off anything about CakePHP. In fact, I'm one of the founders of the Los Angeles LAMP development group here, and am busy moving things around on our schedule so that we can get Garrett J. Woodworth aka Gwoo in to talk about it. Since Rails has such good word of mouth going for it, I would assume that a port of Rails would have a lot of appeal for people. Nothing in my reply denigrated either CakePHP or Rails. It bothers me to see my post at -1, since clearly there's no reason for that. Let's not turn this into a Symfony vs. CakePHP thread. They both are framework projects with a lot of traction in the PHP community. As far as I'm concerned enough said. Back to my original point about the Zend framework, Andi Gutmans is on the record about the project, in that there is no expectation that everyone is going to convert to ZF. I talked to Andi about this at length at SCALE (nice guy btw) and exactly as he predicted, there are components in the framework that you can drop into whatever you might be doing. As people have pointed out, both Symfony and CakePHP allow and/or directly support some of those components already. If you don't use the MVC from ZF, is it really a framework? I've already seen people saying: if I use a framework at all, then I should use ZF because that's the "official PHP" solution to the framework problem right? I'd hate to see people come to that conclusion and miss out on other solutions like Symfony and CakePHP, just because they're under the mistaken impression that if they don't use ZF then they're missing out.
Dugg for ZEND CAN KISS MY ASS.Trying to make Eclipse work is a huge bitch, but trying to make it work with Zend is Sisyphean by comparison.I'll code your entire PHP site in two days, but please, don't f**king ask me to use Zend anything while I do it.
aaronshafJul 1, 2006
I'd recommend CakePHP instead. It rocks.
jzimmermanJul 1, 2006
Just because Zend develops PHP does not mean their framework will be the best.Anyone seriously looking at PHP frameworks should consider CakePHP<a class="user" href="http://cakephp.org">http://cakephp.org</a>
skillioJul 1, 2006
the symfony project provides support for zend and ez components (from ez publish) out of the box in it's newest stable, .6.3. <a class="user" href="http://www.symfony-project.com/content/book/page/custom_helper.html">http://www.symfony-project.com/content/book/page/custom_helper.html</a>cakephp is nice, but symfony is the future of php mvc, imo.
jzimmermanJul 1, 2006
Here is a Zend blog posting stating that you can use Zend components in CakePHP as well.<a class="user" href="http://devzone.zend.com/node/view/id/571">http://devzone.zend.com/node/view/id/571</a>
gizmolaJul 2, 2006
John, I believe I simply stated the facts. I didn't write off anything about CakePHP. In fact, I'm one of the founders of the Los Angeles LAMP development group here, and am busy moving things around on our schedule so that we can get Garrett J. Woodworth aka Gwoo in to talk about it. Since Rails has such good word of mouth going for it, I would assume that a port of Rails would have a lot of appeal for people. Nothing in my reply denigrated either CakePHP or Rails. It bothers me to see my post at -1, since clearly there's no reason for that. Let's not turn this into a Symfony vs. CakePHP thread. They both are framework projects with a lot of traction in the PHP community. As far as I'm concerned enough said. Back to my original point about the Zend framework, Andi Gutmans is on the record about the project, in that there is no expectation that everyone is going to convert to ZF. I talked to Andi about this at length at SCALE (nice guy btw) and exactly as he predicted, there are components in the framework that you can drop into whatever you might be doing. As people have pointed out, both Symfony and CakePHP allow and/or directly support some of those components already. If you don't use the MVC from ZF, is it really a framework? I've already seen people saying: if I use a framework at all, then I should use ZF because that's the "official PHP" solution to the framework problem right? I'd hate to see people come to that conclusion and miss out on other solutions like Symfony and CakePHP, just because they're under the mistaken impression that if they don't use ZF then they're missing out.
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eugenitorMay 9, 2008
Dugg for ZEND CAN KISS MY ASS.Trying to make Eclipse work is a huge bitch, but trying to make it work with Zend is Sisyphean by comparison.I'll code your entire PHP site in two days, but please, don't f**king ask me to use Zend anything while I do it.