desktoplinux.com — Eagle-eyed Ubuntu 6.10 users may have noticed that their favorite new version of this popular Linux distribution has an old friend: Firefox. While the Debian community has decided that Mozilla's restrictions on its logo and name are unacceptable for its free software community, Ubuntu founder Mark Shuttleworth doesn't see it that way.
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jschwageOct 30, 2006
Thank God! I was fearing the day I'd install Ubuntu with a default browser named Iceweasel.
judgedreddOct 31, 2006
That would be because you are using the Ubuntu version of FF. You can find both the FF version and the Mozilla version in /usr/bin . Look for either "Mozilla" or "Firefox" and you should find two scripts leading to the programs. I am thinking one is called "Firefox," the other "Firefox.Ubuntu." Sorry. I am too lazy to take 5 seconds to find out. Assuming you upgraded to Edgy, the .Ubuntu one is 2.0. The other one is whatever you used before.
xilonOct 31, 2006
Well imo Ubuntu adds many unnecessary things which is why I switched to pure debian, it runs MUCH faster now and I don't really see a difference in usability.
dragOct 31, 2006
"Actually I think Apache2 is the most popular open source software right now."In terms of user base it's probably TCP/IP networking. TCP/IP was created by Berkley University for it's BSD operating system based on criteria laid out by Darpa for a network protocol that was reliable on unreliable networks. BSD itself was based on AT&T code that was released freely since AT&T was forbid to sell computers under their special monopoly status. AT&T was essentially open source, BSD's TCP/IP stack was DEFINATELY open source.It was integrated back into Unix commercial varients and not only forms the basis of the Internet networking, but also is probably why Unix was so widly successfull compared to it's competition (none of which exist anymore). The other systems used propriatory networking protocol and couldn't communicate with each other.Other software companies integrated the BSD TCP/IP software stack, including Microsoft for NT's networking capabilities.Of course, as a reward, the propriatory Unix companies turned around and sued BSD which was ending up them settling out of court with a promise to remove all traces of original AT&T source code (which was freely given to them to use, originally). This set BSD back 10 years or so. Which is why we have things like GPL licenses, and paranoid Debian freakniks getting all excited over licensing issues.Other then that..Oh and most larger sites are still using Apache 1.3. Apache2 has had a horrible track record when it comes to security which one of the reasons those places have avoided it for now, but 2.2 looks better.
Closed AccountOct 31, 2006
I upgraded to Edgy from Dapper using the output manager. I got the firefox icon and not that blue globe
johnthelutheranOct 31, 2006
Too right! Debian should stop being distinctively Debian and behave like every other distro. After all, choice and freedom are confusing - roll on the day when Debian gets merged into its parent distro, Ubuntu.And as you point out, Firefox is entirely free apart from the bits that aren't. What's the problem?More constructively: the key issue here is choice and freedom. Ubuntu is about providing a user-friendly desktop distro, which it does very well. Debian is about providing a distro that is 100% free, which it also does very well (and I'm very happy with it as a desktop distro). For Debian to flex on the logo issue would strike at the heart of its philosophy in a way that doesn't apply to Ubuntu. Why can't people just accept that free software is precisely about freedom, rather than saying, "Debian is t3h suxx0r!!!", "Mo$illa is evil!!!!!!!" just because some people make different choices when exercising the freedom that free software is all about.
johnthelutheranOct 31, 2006
@reverb: yes, but Mark Shuttleworth's article was fair, balanced and reasonable, a breath of fresh air compared with all the flame wars and FUD accusing Debian of behaving like fanatical toddlers (for the temerity of sticking with the principles on which the whole Debian project is founded - and people who don't like that are free to choose another distro), or - on the other hand - accusing "Mo$illa" (chortle!) of turning into Microsoft Mark II.Shuttleworth, on the other hand, recognises that different distros have different philosophies and purposes, and need to make their own choices accordingly. But that's far less exciting than another round of Debian and/or Mozilla-bashing.
renrutalNov 1, 2006
Sorry, the problem is either in your computer, or between the keyboard and the chair.